How many players do you consider "superstars" in the NBA today?

[Solefade]

it's only LeBron and KD to me tbh


steph curry, AD, harden, wb are all a tier below to me

[Destroyer9]

Lebron KD and Kobe

[Solefade]

Lebron KD and Kobe


Kobe's time has passed though, so has Wade's

[raprap]

LeBron, Kobe. Steph will be one if gsw stays relevant (which they will).

Kd missed the train when he got injured this season.

[LosBulls]

CURRENT:
Kobe | LeBron | KD |
Rose (So many dic riders and everyone owns his Jersey)
Melo (New York City)

UPCOMING:
Curry | Anthony Davis | Kyrie Irving

FUTURE:
Wiggins | Embiid | Jabari

TOP JERSEY SALES:

1. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors
3. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City Thunder
4. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
5. Derrick Rose, Chicago Bulls
6. Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers
7. Carmelo Anthony, New York Knicks
8. Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
9. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
10. Blake Griffin, Los Angeles Clippers
11. Damian Lillard, Portland Trail Blazers
12. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
13. Chris Paul, Los Angeles Clippers
14. James Harden, Houston Rockets
15. Anthony Davis, New Orleans Pelicans

[Solefade]

CURRENT:
Kobe | LeBron | KD |
Rose (So many dic riders and everyone owns his Jersey)
Melo (New York City)

UPCOMING:
Curry | Anthony Davis | Kyrie Irving

FUTURE:
Wiggins | Embiid | Jabari

TOP JERSEY SALES:

1. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors
3. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City Thunder
4. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
5. Derrick Rose, Chicago Bulls
6. Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers
7. Carmelo Anthony, New York Knicks
8. Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
9. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
10. Blake Griffin, Los Angeles Clippers
11. Damian Lillard, Portland Trail Blazers
12. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
13. Chris Paul, Los Angeles Clippers
14. James Harden, Houston Rockets
15. Anthony Davis, New Orleans Pelicans


melo and rose aren't superstars lol

[LosBulls]

melo and rose aren't superstars lol
Yes they are.

Both at the top of their brands (Adidas & Jordan) and both of them players in huge markets (Chicago & New York).

Being a superstar isn't just about being the best, it's about popularity. Rose and Melo are household names.

My 65 year old father that lives in New Jersey knows who Melo is but doesn't know who Curry is.

[3peated]

kd, bron, harden are the only true superstars imo.


ad will become one, i dont think curry will be more than an allstar. DMC has the potential. no one else is close enough or experienced enough to mention

[BlakFrankWhite]

Lebron,KD

Paul,Davis,Harden,Curry,Westbrook

[T_L_P]

Yes they are.

Both at the top of their brands (Adidas & Jordan) and both of them players in huge markets (Chicago & New York).

Being a superstar isn't just about being the best, it's about popularity. Rose and Melo are household names.

My 65 year old father that lives in New Jersey knows who Melo is but doesn't know who Curry is.

But Kobe literally sucks right now and Rose is a replacement-level guard.

You actually have to be good to be considered a superstar...not just a popular guy.

Melo is a slightly different story. Fully healthy and engaged Melo is a top 15-20 player, and he has the branding. I guess you could call him one.

[LosBulls]

But Kobe literally sucks right now and Rose is a replacement-level guard.

You actually have to be good to be considered a superstar...not just a popular guy.
Other way around. You have to be popular to be considered a superstar. How do people know what you can do if nobody knows you?

Just look at the word superstar. Super - STAR. Like Rockstar right? Rock - STAR.

Well let's say there's a band who is epic on the electric guitar and is just awesome, but nobody knows them. they play out of his parent's garage.

How are they rockstars?

You don't become a rockstar until you're discovered and start gaining fans. End of story.


http://i.gyazo.com/1cffd2fb7d2f76332101c7f2cea0e436.png


Jersey sales says it all.

[T_L_P]

Other way around. You have to be popular to be considered a superstar. How do people know what you can do if nobody knows you?

Just look at the word superstar. Super - STAR. Like Rockstar right? Rock - STAR.

Well let's say there's a band who is epic on the electric guitar and is just awesome, but nobody knows them. they play out of his parent's garage.

How are they rockstars?

You don't become a rockstar until you're discovered and start gaining fans. End of story.


http://i.gyazo.com/1cffd2fb7d2f76332101c7f2cea0e436.png


Jersey sales says it all.

So an immensely popular scrub is a superstar to you? :oldlol:

Jeremy Lin is almost a superstar to you?

[G0ATbe]

Kobe
Kyrie
KD
Westbrook
Davis
Curry

[LosBulls]

So an immensely popular scrub is a superstar to you? :oldlol:
Tell that to this guy's fans.

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/04/01/0401-justin-bieber-getty2-1.jpg

[greymatter]

Yes they are.

Both at the top of their brands (Adidas & Jordan) and both of them players in huge markets (Chicago & New York).

Being a superstar isn't just about being the best, it's about popularity. Rose and Melo are household names.

My 65 year old father that lives in New Jersey knows who Melo is but doesn't know who Curry is.


Abritrarily selecting idiotic criteria != truth

Melo sucks. Rose sucks even worse. Neither of them would even make an All NBA 5th team this season. By your retarded criteria, Jeremy Lin deserves superstar consideration.

[Solefade]

Yes they are.

Both at the top of their brands (Adidas & Jordan) and both of them players in huge markets (Chicago & New York).

Being a superstar isn't just about being the best, it's about popularity. Rose and Melo are household names.

My 65 year old father that lives in New Jersey knows who Melo is but doesn't know who Curry is.


you throw that "superstar" term around very loosely..you think they're in the same tier as KD and LeBron and Kobe?

[T_L_P]

Tell that to this guy's fans.

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/04/01/0401-justin-bieber-getty2-1.jpg

Comparing entertainment to sport tells me you have zero argument.

Jeremy Lin is a superstar in your world. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

Kobe, Russ, KD, Harden, AD

then there's the 2nd tier with Rose, Melo, CP3 and Bran

[scm5]

So an immensely popular scrub is a superstar to you? :oldlol:

Jeremy Lin is almost a superstar to you?

Yes, definitely.

Just because Justin Bieber is a superstar doesn't mean he's amongst the most talented/best singers in the world. It just means he's one of the most popular singers in the world.

Usually, superstars come with success. In the case of Jeremy Lin, his success is relative to other Asian players that currently play in the NBA. China is such a powerhouse that they can elevate their most successful player to borderline superstardom despite his mediocrity.

[Solefade]

Other way around. You have to be popular to be considered a superstar. How do people know what you can do if nobody knows you?

Just look at the word superstar. Super - STAR. Like Rockstar right? Rock - STAR.

Well let's say there's a band who is epic on the electric guitar and is just awesome, but nobody knows them. they play out of his parent's garage.

How are they rockstars?

You don't become a rockstar until you're discovered and start gaining fans. End of story.


http://i.gyazo.com/1cffd2fb7d2f76332101c7f2cea0e436.png


Jersey sales says it all.

lmao jersey sales does not equal superstar dude gtfo

you have to actually be really good to be a superstar as well as globally popular...melo and rose aren't great on NBA standards even when rose won MVP

[Solefade]

Yes, definitely.

Just because Justin Bieber is a superstar doesn't mean he's amongst the most talented/best singers in the world. It just means he's one of the most popular singers in the world.

Usually, superstars come with success. In the case of Jeremy Lin, his success is relative to other Asian players that currently play in the NBA. China is such a powerhouse that they can elevate their most successful player to borderline superstardom despite his mediocrity.

haha popstars and nba superstars are apples and oranges bro

[LosBulls]

you throw that "superstar" term around very loosely..you think they're in the same tier as KD and LeBron and Kobe?
Yes Melo and Rose are in the same tier as KD and Kobe atm.

Just look at the huge "The Return" campaign Adidas did for Rose. Would they do that for somebody who isn't a superstar?

Players get injured all the time. A LOT of players get injured. Rose gets a "The Return" campaign. Why? Because hes a superstar, hes super popular.

If you've seen my posts before, you will know i'm not very fond of Derrick Rose but then again thats another example of how big D.Rose is because every time i talk bad about him I have tons of his fans defending him.

[ImKobe]

lmao jersey sales does not equal superstar dude gtfo

you have to actually be really good to be a superstar as well as globally popular...melo and rose aren't great on NBA standards even when rose won MVP

Rose in his MVP year was arguably the best in the league that regular season bro, the way he was able to get to the rim every game with every team blocking the driving lanes :biggums:

[LosBulls]

haha popstars and nba superstars are apples and oranges bro
http://i.gyazo.com/42dbdc81835df2e19c261224e3cc6631.png

Keywords:

Performer or Athlete.

High Profile.

[scm5]

haha popstars and nba superstars are apples and oranges bro

You guys are creating your own terminology regarding NBA Superstars then, because Superstardom has to do with popularity and success, which usually comes hand in hand.

Jeremy Lin is a borderline superstar because of his popularity (China) and his relative success when compared to other Asian players. If he turned that relative success into just success in the NBA in general, he would probably make that push into actual Superstardom.

Ex. - We all can agree that Paul George pre-injury was talented enough to be considered a superstar. He didn't achieve that level of popularity though. If Jeremy Lin elevated his game to PG's level, with his appeal towards the Asian population, he would have become a Superstar. For now, he only partially fits the definition, so he's borderline.

[LosBulls]

You guys are creating your own terminology regarding NBA Superstars then, because Superstardom has to do with popularity and success, which usually comes hand in hand.

Jeremy Lin is a borderline superstar because of his popularity (China) and his relative success when compared to other Asian players. If he turned that relative success into just success in the NBA in general, he would probably make that push into actual Superstardom.

Ex. - We all can agree that Paul George pre-injury was talented enough to be considered a superstar. He didn't achieve that level of popularity though. If Jeremy Lin elevated his game to PG's level, with his appeal towards the Asian population, he would have become a Superstar. For now, he only partially fits the definition, so he's borderline.
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[greymatter]

http://i.gyazo.com/42dbdc81835df2e19c261224e3cc6631.png

Keywords:

Performer or Athlete.

High Profile.

Looks like someone has problems parsing words.

Here's a little hint: "and" and "or" mean 2 completely different things. It's nice that you know how to cut and paste from a dictionary. Too bad that's not the same thing as actually understanding.

"High profile" is logically ANDed with "highly successful" in the definition you posted. It is not "high profile" OR "highly successful". To dumb it down, the definition you pasted indicates that a superstar has BOTH the criteria of being "high profile" and "highly successful", not just one or the other.

If you still fail to understand, then your best bet is to pray that someday gene therapy that can fix Down's Syndrome becomes available.

[LosBulls]

Looks like someone has problems parsing words.

Here's a little hint: "and" and "or" mean 2 completely different things. It's nice that you know how to cut and paste from a dictionary. Too bad that's not the same thing as actually understanding.

"High profile" is logically ANDed with "highly successful" in the definition you posted. It is not "high profile" OR "highly successful". To dumb it down, the definition you pasted indicates that a superstar has BOTH the criteria of being "high profile" and "highly successful", not just one or the other.

If you still fail to understand, then your best bet is to pray that someday gene therapy that can fix Down's Syndrome becomes available.
Let's go again shall we?

http://i.gyazo.com/a717f4cd24f734df96fe8fd12403a861.png

Having achieved popularity,profit, or distinction.

POPULARITY: Check.
Derrick Rose and Carmelo Anthony are 2 of the most popular players in the NBA as proved by the FACTUAL evidence in the Jersey Sales chart i showed you.

PROFIT: Check.
Both players are endorsed by 2 of the biggest shoe companies in the world, and not only that but they are at the top of those brands. Both players having their own signature shoe, and Rose having his own signature line of clothing. Do I even need to pull out the numbers?

DISTINCTION: Check.

Derrick Rose, youngest MVP in the history of the NBA, Most explosive player in the league at one point, extremely marketable name, hometown kid, coming back from injury which gives him a nice story line.

Carmelo Anthony. Once marketed as LeBron's biggest rival. Gold Medalist. Leader of the team with the biggest market in the NBA (NEW YORK), one of the greatest and most talented scorers in the NBA. Led his team to the Western Conference Finals.


You know, it's getting silly how I literally have to give you the definitions of words like as if you were a third grader.
I really hope that you aren't over the age of 25, if you're over 25 and you're this dumb then I feel sorry for you buddy.

Might want to take your own advice about that gene therapy thing.

[RepMe]

LeBron, KD, Curry, Harden, AD, and maybe Westbrook. I may follow a different definition though.

[Solefade]

http://i.gyazo.com/42dbdc81835df2e19c261224e3cc6631.png

Keywords:

Performer or Athlete.

High Profile.


you're comparing music super star and sports superstar...one is subjectively good, the other isn't lol

[greymatter]

Let's go again shall we?

http://i.gyazo.com/a717f4cd24f734df96fe8fd12403a861.png

Having achieved popularity,profit, or distinction.

POPULARITY: Check.
Derrick Rose and Carmelo Anthony are 2 of the most popular players in the NBA as proved by the FACTUAL evidence in the Jersey Sales chart i showed you.

PROFIT: Check.
Both players are endorsed by 2 of the biggest shoe companies in the world, and not only that but they are at the top of those brands. Both players having their own signature shoe, and Rose having his own signature line of clothing. Do I even need to pull out the numbers?

DISTINCTION: Check.

Derrick Rose, youngest MVP in the history of the NBA, Most explosive player in the league at one point, extremely marketable name, hometown kid, coming back from injury which gives him a nice story line.

Carmelo Anthony. Once marketed as LeBron's biggest rival. Gold Medalist. Leader of the team with the biggest market in the NBA (NEW YORK), one of the greatest and most talented scorers in the NBA. Led his team to the Western Conference Finals.


You know, it's getting silly how I literally have to give you the definitions of words like as if you were a third grader.
I really hope that you aren't over the age of 25, if you're over 25 and you're this dumb then I feel sorry for you buddy.

Might want to take your own advice about that gene therapy thing.

Still failing miserably. So what you're left with now is grasping at the past and pointing to how much money they've made? This is what is classically described as "moving the goalposts".

You claimed they are both superstars NOW. Their current distinction is that they both currently suck. But hey, they have lots of money and inbred retards like you will pay good money for their shoes! Congratulations!

[Solefade]

You guys are creating your own terminology regarding NBA Superstars then, because Superstardom has to do with popularity and success, which usually comes hand in hand.

Jeremy Lin is a borderline superstar because of his popularity (China) and his relative success when compared to other Asian players. If he turned that relative success into just success in the NBA in general, he would probably make that push into actual Superstardom.

Ex. - We all can agree that Paul George pre-injury was talented enough to be considered a superstar. He didn't achieve that level of popularity though. If Jeremy Lin elevated his game to PG's level, with his appeal towards the Asian population, he would have become a Superstar. For now, he only partially fits the definition, so he's borderline.


nba superstars isn't that sophisticated of a term it depends on what your standard is and honestly, it's kobe (but he's no longer in his prime), lebron and KD. you need to have the talent as well as success and popularity to be this and paul george, AD, steph, wb, harden are all on a tier lower than those 3 guys

[Demitri98]

1st tier superstars
LeBron
Durant

2nd tier superstars
Curry
Harden
Davis
Westbrook

The rest are just stars or lower

[LosBulls]

you're comparing music super star and sports superstar...one is subjectively good, the other isn't lol
You keep thinking this is just about being "good".
The question wasn't "who are the best players" it was who are the "superstars" as in who are the most popular.

I already went through this. Face it, Rose and Melo are superstars.

Guys like Damian Lilliard and John Wall are better than Rose right? Well Rose made Team USA over them. Why? Because hes a super star.

It's the same reason why Kanye West got mad because that other dude won that prize over Beyonce. Beyonce is a superstar. Not as many people know that other dude even though he deserved that award people still felt like they should of given it to Beyonce because shes more popular.

Same shit applies.

[LosBulls]

Still failing miserably. So what you're left with now is grasping at the past and pointing to how much money they've made? This is what is classically described as "moving the goalposts".

You claimed they are both superstars NOW. Their current distinction is that they both currently suck. But hey, they have lots of money and inbred retards like you will pay good money for their shoes! Congratulations!
So you're saying the dictionary fails miserably? Because that's literally the definition as you can see.

I broke it down for you as much as I could, at this point you're just a retard and i'm going to stop wasting my time replying to a retard. Good luck with those that Down Syndrome thing you're waiting for.

[AintNoSunshine]

Lebron is the only super star if you are talking about ability on the court and being a household name.

[Solefade]

You keep thinking this is just about being "good".
The question wasn't "who are the best players" it was who are the "superstars" as in who are the most popular.

I already went through this. Face it, Rose and Melo are superstars.

Guys like Damian Lilliard and John Wall are better than Rose right? Well Rose made Team USA over them. Why? Because hes a super star.

It's the same reason why Kanye West got mad because that other dude won that prize over Beyonce. Beyonce is a superstar. Not as many people know that other dude even though he deserved that award people still felt like they should of given it to Beyonce because shes more popular.

Same shit applies.

i'm not asking who the best players are exactly, i'm asking who is WORTHY of being called a superstar, and frankly we can agree to disagree but i think your standards are too low


and i don't get the point you're trying to make with the grammy thing...kanye west is a super star, beyonce is a super star, beck is NOT a superstar

kanye = lebron
beyonce = kd
beck = rose/melo/everyone else you mentioned that wasn't worthy lol

also justin bieber is a wildly popular popstar that has never ever won a grammy and probably never will so he can be your d.rose if you want

[LosBulls]

i'm not asking who the best players are exactly, i'm asking who is WORTHY of being called a superstar, and frankly we can agree to disagree but i think your standards are too low
My standards aren't low. These players are crazy famous and popular. That is all there is to it.

[scm5]

nba superstars isn't that sophisticated of a term it depends on what your standard is and honestly, it's kobe (but he's no longer in his prime), lebron and KD. you need to have the talent as well as success and popularity to be this and paul george, AD, steph, wb, harden are all on a tier lower than those 3 guys

Okay, you just hold your superstars to a higher standard so the others don't fit in. Others may be more lenient.

What I don't understand is how Stephen Curry isn't considered a Superstar.

From the list posted earlier, he's #2 in jersey sales overall, the ASG leading vote-getter, likely-MVP, best player on the best team, and a Top 3 player (arguably).

He's a superstar in every sense of the word. Elite talent, extremely popular, extremely successful. Not many players in the history of the game have reached his level of success and popularity.

[Solefade]

Okay, you just hold your superstars to a higher standard so the others don't fit in. Others may be more lenient.

What I don't understand is how Stephen Curry isn't considered a Superstar.

From the list posted earlier, he's #2 in jersey sales overall, the ASG leading vote-getter, likely-MVP, best player on the best team, and a Top 3 player (arguably).

He's a superstar in every sense of the word. Elite talent, extremely popular, extremely successful. Not many players in the history of the game have reached his level of success and popularity.


steph probably will be, but i'm not giving a guy the superstar nod when he has only been an allstar for 2 years and hasn't really won anything significant yet..if i'm not calling d.rose a superstar back then im def not calling steph a super star today lol

[fragokota]

The only two that have dozens of stans in here....KB & LBJ.

[raprap]

The only two that have dozens of stans in here....KB & LBJ.
Yep. Can't believe people are leaving Kobe on their list because he's not "good" anymore. Kobe is the definition of a superstar.

[greymatter]

So you're saying the dictionary fails miserably? Because that's literally the definition as you can see.

I broke it down for you as much as I could, at this point you're just a retard and i'm going to stop wasting my time replying to a retard. Good luck with those that Down Syndrome thing you're waiting for.

There's only one imbecile in this thread that claims Rose and Melo are superstars right NOW by virtue of simply being rich and popular.

[UK2K]

Lebron
Durant
Melo
Kobe

Based on name recognition alone, those four. Maybe Rose too.

[midatlantic09]

CURRENT:
Kobe | LeBron | KD |
Rose (So many dic riders and everyone owns his Jersey)
Melo (New York City)

UPCOMING:
Curry | Anthony Davis | Kyrie Irving

FUTURE:
Wiggins | Embiid | Jabari

TOP JERSEY SALES:

1. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors
3. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City Thunder
4. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
5. Derrick Rose, Chicago Bulls
6. Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers
7. Carmelo Anthony, New York Knicks
8. Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
9. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
10. Blake Griffin, Los Angeles Clippers
11. Damian Lillard, Portland Trail Blazers
12. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
13. Chris Paul, Los Angeles Clippers
14. James Harden, Houston Rockets
15. Anthony Davis, New Orleans Pelicans

No.

[the mesiah]

If talking about FULL ALL out superstar rite now,I say just Lebron .

[Dro]

3 now..

Lebron, Durant, and I guess Westbrook...

[Dro]

You keep thinking this is just about being "good".
The question wasn't "who are the best players" it was who are the "superstars" as in who are the most popular.

I already went through this. Face it, Rose and Melo are superstars.

Guys like Damian Lilliard and John Wall are better than Rose right? Well Rose made Team USA over them. Why? Because hes a super star.

It's the same reason why Kanye West got mad because that other dude won that prize over Beyonce. Beyonce is a superstar. Not as many people know that other dude even though he deserved that award people still felt like they should of given it to Beyonce because shes more popular.

Same shit applies.
This is ridiculous IMO....The NBA definition of a superstar has never been from the dictionary...Melo and Rose are not superstars currently by any NBA definition IMO...

[Droid101]

Wow Solefade, hold this L

[Dro]

Okay, you just hold your superstars to a higher standard so the others don't fit in. Others may be more lenient.

What I don't understand is how Stephen Curry isn't considered a Superstar.

From the list posted earlier, he's #2 in jersey sales overall, the ASG leading vote-getter, likely-MVP, best player on the best team, and a Top 3 player (arguably).

He's a superstar in every sense of the word. Elite talent, extremely popular, extremely successful. Not many players in the history of the game have reached his level of success and popularity.
Would your grandmother who's never watched an NBA game and has no clue about the NBA whatsoever know who Steph Curry is? I doubt it. Because she knows who Lebron James is I promise you. Actually she probably doesn't even know Kevin Durant, she probably knows Kobe. I remember many people using this to define a superstar.

[Kobe_6/8]

There's a reason only superstars are household names.

A true star's brand is made by itself, e.g. LeBron/Jordan/Shaq. These guys didn't need much marketing to become stars, people are already naturally interested in them.

[RRR3]

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Russell Westbrook
Chris Paul
James Harden
Anthony Davis
Stephen Curry
Mario Chalmers