How awkward would it be if the Cavs won it all and Kyrie Irving won the FMVP?

[J Shuttlesworth]

LeBron stans argument that rings only count if you get the FMVP would get thrown out the window.

Kobe stans would be desperate to call Kyrie "batman" but silenced by the fact that Kobe didn't win FMVP on 3 of his rings.

Shit would be awkward. Both stanbases would be eerily quiet

[SouBeachTalents]

Honestly, not as awkward as Wade winning it in 2011 after the summer of LeBron

[poido123]

More awkward if Love won the FMVP



:roll:

[Eric Cartman]

More awkward if Love won the FMVP



:roll:

Epic.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Am I the only one who doesn't think it'll be awkward for Kobe fans?

Assuming the Cavs win a ring, Kyrie or even Love winning a FMVP would be what they already hoped for. :oldlol:

[MP.Trey]

That would be epic.

[J Shuttlesworth]

More awkward if Love won the FMVP



:roll:
that would be awesome :lol

[gigantes]

How awkward would it be if the Cavs won it all and Kyrie Irving won the FMVP?
uh... not very awkward at all?

cleveland would be ecstatic, lebron would be thrilled, most of his fans would still be very happy, kyrie's fans would be happy, etc.

anybody else's opinion at that point would make pretty much zero difference to anything or anyone.

[Showtime2001]

Well Wade would have won Finals MVP in 2011 if LeBron had just been a decent 2nd fiddle.

:lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebron would have to pull some 2011 shit while Kyrie averages 55/10 before they would even consider giving him the award

[Uncle Drew]

I'd be cool with it. Hell, for all I care Joe Harris is our FMVP.

[dubeta]

I wouldn't count it as a ring for LeBron. I'm serious, I would still only count 2 rings for LeBron.


I have been consistent about this only rings with FMVP count for the greats

[scm5]

It wouldn't be awkward. Lebron has maintained since going to Cleveland that it's Kyrie's team and that he's here to make sure Cleveland has a bright future.

It would definitely symbolize him passing the torch on to another player, whether it's Kyrie or someone else though.

[Rose'sACL]

Well Wade would have won Finals MVP in 2011 if LeBron had just been a decent 2nd fiddle.

:lol
lebron did it in 2013 finals with wade having almost the same stats as lebron from 2011 finals. wade also was 6-15 from the field in game 6 of 2013 finals and heat biggest run in 4th quarter was with him on the bench and spurs came back as soon as Spo got wade back into the game leading to 5 point spurs lead eventually when heat had the lead when wade returned into the game. wade got 1 or 2 good games in 2013 finals just like lebron who had 2 good games(comparing to 2013 wade here) in 2011 finals. lebron really had okay second option numbers in all but one game when he scored only 8 points.

[scm5]

I wouldn't count it as a ring for LeBron. I'm serious, I would still only count 2 rings for LeBron.


I have been consistent about this only rings with FMVP count for the greats

What if Lebron puts up a monster 28/7/7 on 60% but it's just that Kyrie absolutely goes on a tear, averaging 45/3/6 on 50%+ for the series?

[inclinerator]

More awkward if Love won the FMVP



:roll:
not really, lebron said love was the mvp so fmvp isnt that far off

[Showtime2001]

What if Lebron puts up a monster 28/7/7 on 60% but it's just that Kyrie absolutely goes on a tear, averaging 45/3/6 on 50%+ for the series?
LeBron would have been carried going by Bran stan logic.

[SouBeachTalents]

lebron did it in 2013 finals with wade having almost the same stats as lebron from 2011 finals. wade also was 6-15 from the field in game 6 of 2013 finals and heat biggest run in 4th quarter was with him on the bench and spurs came back as soon as Spo got wade back into the game leading to 5 point spurs lead eventually when heat had the lead when wade returned into the game. wade got 1 or 2 good games in 2013 finals just like lebron who had 2 good games(comparing to 2013 wade here) in 2011 finals. lebron really had okay second option numbers in all but one game when he scored only 8 points.

Wade's 2013 Finals > LeBron's 2011 Finals

Wade played well enough as a second option, LeBron failed pretty miserably as a co-first option

[Rose'sACL]

What if Lebron puts up a monster 28/7/7 on 60% but it's just that Kyrie absolutely goes on a tear, averaging 45/3/6 on 50%+ for the series?
why are you asking that troll these questions? he would tell you that he wouldn't count it but if it happens he would say that voters were biased and lebron should have won FMVP.

[dubeta]

Wade's 2013 Finals > LeBron's 2011 Finals

Wade played well enough as a second option, LeBron failed pretty miserably as a co-first option

18/7/7 > 20/5/5

[Rose'sACL]

Wade's 2013 Finals > LeBron's 2011 Finals

Wade played well enough as a second option, LeBron failed pretty miserably as a co-first option
who is disagreeing? i was replying to second option thing. people talk about ray allen 3 when turning point of that game was wade not playing in the most of the 4th quarter.

[SouBeachTalents]

18/7/7 > 20/5/5

Only difference is Wade actually played well in the clutch, having that monster Game 4 then putting up 23 & 10 in Game 7. LeBron was a ghost every 4th quarter and cost the Heat the title

[Rose'sACL]

Only difference is Wade actually played well in the clutch, having that monster Game 4 then putting up 23 & 10 in Game 7. LeBron was a ghost every 4th quarter and cost the Heat the title
he wasn't clutch in the biggest game of 2013 finals which was game 6. he was 6-15 and then when he sat in the 4th, miami came back from double digit deficit to leading the game and he comes back into the game and spurs go on the run and get the league.
wade's jumper was the only thing that allowed him to score and he was a big negative in games when his jumper was off which is what happened in game 6 as he couldn't score of drives and was not a good defender in that series which is why lebron was swiching to almost any player who was hot at that moment. wade wasn't called to guard tony parker, lebron was called again and again to switch from kawhi to parker because parker was killing miami's guards.

[dubeta]

Getting back to the topic imo if you don't win FMVP its almost like you lost the finals.


Thats what its all about, being the undisputed best player on a championship team, not being a supplementary option.

[Beastmode88]

18/7/7 > 20/5/5

Repost but


Here you go:

2011 finals stats:

Wade: 234 minutes, 61%TS, 11%TRB, 28.7%AST, 2.1%STL, 3.6%BLK, 10.4%TOV, 30.2%USG, 120 ORTG. 22.7 GMSC.

Lebron: 262 minutes, 54%TS, 10.6%TRB, 28.8%AST, 2.1%STL, 1%BLK, 19.5%TOV, 22.9%USG, 102 ORTG. 13.7 GMSC.

in case you don't know what GMSC (gamescore) is, it is: rough measure of a player's productivity in a game. 10 = average performance. So Lebron is slightly above average in the series, while Wade is worth more than 2 average players.

Wade beats Lebron in every stat except in AST% which is only .1% less. Think of it like this, Lebron was looking to pass on every possession and he still only ended up with the same assist rate as Wade, while wade was way more aggressive to score. All this while playing almost 30 minutes less than Lebron.

look at their turnovers. Lebron was twice as likely to turn it over than Wade, you want the ball in his hands even more?

[SouBeachTalents]

he wasn't clutch in the biggest game of 2013 finals which was game 6. he was 6-15 and then when he sat in the 4th, miami came back from double digit deficit to leading the game and he comes back into the game and spurs go on the run and get the league.
wade's jumper was the only thing that allowed him to score and he was a net negative in games when his jumper was off which is what happened in game 6.

:lol at Game 6 of the Finals being any more important than Game 7 when they're both elimination games at home

[Rose'sACL]

:lol at Game 6 of the Finals being any more important than Game 7 when they're both elimination games at home
they are both very important. lebron showed up in that game but wade didn't. you brought up that clutch thing, not me.

[Droid101]

Repost but
#rekt

[Droid101]

Anyway, Love would NEVER win FMVP. Even if he was playing his ass off, Kyrie and bran are the ballhandlers. They'd never let him have it.

[SouBeachTalents]

they are both very important. lebron showed up in that game but wade didn't. you brought up that clutch thing, not me.

I was referring to Wade's 2013 vs. LeBron's 2011, where yes, he blows LeBron away in the clutch department. Hell, Wade could have missed the Finals and still been as clutch as LeBron was in the 2011 Finals.

[PJR]

:lol at Game 6 of the Finals being any more important than Game 7 when they're both elimination games at home

Yeah, Just stupid logic.

If it wasn't for Wade absolutely dominating in game 4, Miami would've never even came out of San Antonio. Miss me with that nonsense that Bran's 2011 Finals was comparable.

[Rose'sACL]

Yeah, Just stupid logic.

If it wasn't for Wade absolutely dominating in game 4, Miami would've never even came out of San Antonio. Miss me with that nonsense that Bran's 2011 Finals was comparable.
lebron played very well in game 1 of 2011 final so who gives a fck? lebron choked because more is expected of him. wade never had as much pressure so his good games are talked as big pluses instead of scrutinizing his bad games.

the truth is that wade not playing in the majority of 4th quarter in game 6 made miami have a chance at winning that game which is a big minus.
lebron played okay in 2011 game 6 by 2013 wade's standards whereas wade just didn't show up in 2011 finals game 6. if wade was trully scrutinized, his game 6 of 2011 finals would be talked about a lot more.

[SouBeachTalents]

lebron played very well in game 1 of 2011 final so who gives a fck? lebron choked because more is expected of him. wade never had as much pressure so his good games are talked as big pluses instead of scrutinizing his bad games.

the truth is that wade not playing in the majority of 4th quarter in game 6 made miami have a chance at winning that game which is a big minus.

Not really, a dude who's career average is 28/7/7 put up a 24/9/5, pretty standard game for him tbh. He had one standard game and underperformed the rest of the series, including badly in Dallas. It was a terrible series for him and it's not even debatable

[JebronLames]

Impossible

[kennethgriffin]

lol itel never happen. lebron would throw the series and tank like he did in 2011 if kyrie was in line for the award


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[tpols]

Lebron would have to pull some 2011 shit while Kyrie averages 55/10 before they would even consider giving him the award

This is very possible .

[Rose'sACL]

Not really, a dude who's career average is 28/7/7 put up a 24/9/5, pretty standard game for him tbh. He had one standard game and underperformed the rest of the series, including badly in Dallas. It was a terrible series for him and it's not even debatable
so was 2013 finals for wade. who is saying that 2011 finals wasn't terrible for lebron?

i am just saying that wade didn't show up in the 2011 finals game 6 himself. lebron had an okay game 6 in 2011 just like wade had an okay game 7 in 2013. there's not much difference between 2011 finals lebron and 2013 finals wade.

[SCdac]

Seems like alot of the bests have won a championship without a Finals MVP though... Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Isiah, Wade, etc.... Idk

[tpols]

Seems like alot of the bests have won a championship without a Finals MVP though... Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Isiah, Wade, etc.... Idk

Yes but Lebron's jimmies get seriously rustled if he being out performed for a fmvp trophy.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yes but Lebron's jimmies get seriously rustled if he being out performed for a fmvp trophy.

Lol, Kobe's were definitely rustled in 2004

[Rose'sACL]

Seems like alot of the bests have won a championship without a Finals MVP though... Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Isiah, Wade, etc.... Idk
any good fan knows if the player truly earned that ring(by all time great standards) like kobe truly earned 4 of his 5 rings. wade earned 2 of 3. timmy has earned all of his rings because he is still the backbone of spurs' defense while averaging 17/10.


Yes but Lebron's jimmies get seriously rustled if he being out performed for a fmvp trophy.
yes, 2004 kobe called him before that 8 point game in 2011 finals.

[tpols]

Lol, Kobe's were definitely rustled in 2004

they were rustled and so were shaqs... for a while before that. Shaq has rustled many jimmies across the nba. Besides kobe didn't throw the match.. he just tried to do too much.. that's not as bad as doing nothing and choking your ass off.

[dubeta]

LOL @ a playoff novice outplaying LeBron for the FMVP


Lets see if Kyrie and Love can even perform in the playoffs before we throw these scenarios at him.

[Rose'sACL]

LOL @ a playoff novice outplaying LeBron for the FMVP


Lets see if Kyrie and Love can even perform in the playoffs before we throw these scenarios at him.
kawhi won it last year and he is not as good of a scorer as kyrie. you have to remember that defense plays a very small role in voting for FMVP award unless 2 players have the same points.
kawhi can easily win FMVP.

[scm5]

LOL @ a playoff novice outplaying LeBron for the FMVP


Lets see if Kyrie and Love can even perform in the playoffs before we throw these scenarios at him.

Let's see if Lebron and the coaching staff will allow Love to perform in the playoffs.

[Spurs m8]

Yeah, it'd be really awkward that the best player in the finals on the winning team wins the FMVP.

Nah, really awkward hey.

[navy]

Dumb thread.

Magic has lost fmvp to more than Kareem.

Bird lost fmvp.

Wade could have been fmvp had he closed that series out. (Not saying it was his fault, just that he could have played better to win fmvp)

Duncan has lost fmvps to Kawhi Leonard and Tony Parker, and if the Spurs had won in 5 games in 2013 Danny Green would have been FMVP....

In a 7 game span anything can happen really. Kyrie is certainly good enough to get hot for games.


So what is the awkwardness?

[coin24]

Why awkward? Prime Lebron gets outplayed by opposing teams bench players. Isn't it just expected now?
If they make the finals in sure kyrie batman will show up :rockon:

[Smoke117]

LeBron stans argument that rings only count if you get the FMVP would get thrown out the window.

Kobe stans would be desperate to call Kyrie "batman" but silenced by the fact that Kobe didn't win FMVP on 3 of his rings.

Shit would be awkward. Both stanbases would be eerily quiet

A lot of idiot stans argue that; it isn't solely the lebron stans. They are all equally full of shit.

[Kobe_6/8]

That would be like Jordan winning a finals but Horace Grant getting the FMVP.

[ShawkFactory]

That would be like Jordan winning a finals but Horace Grant getting the FMVP.
It would?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Wouldn't mean anything. Bird, Magic, Shaq, and virtually every great player in NBA history has won titles with a different FMVP.

[Showtime2001]

That would be like Jordan winning a finals but Horace Grant getting the FMVP.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kobe-laugh.gif

[Hey Yo]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kobe-laugh.gif
Nice gif showing a reminder that the Lakers won more often than not, when Kobe's wearing a suit on the bench.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Nice gif showing a reminder that the Lakers won more often than not, when Kobe's wearing a suit on the bench.

so insecure

:roll: :roll:

[Showtime2001]

Nice gif showing a reminder that the Lakers won more often than not, when Kobe's wearing a suit on the bench.
Kobe only plays a total of 41 games the last 2 seasons and Lakers can't even achieve a 30 win season.

Stay mad. :yaohappy:

[J Shuttlesworth]

uh... not very awkward at all?

cleveland would be ecstatic, lebron would be thrilled, most of his fans would still be very happy, kyrie's fans would be happy, etc.

anybody else's opinion at that point would make pretty much zero difference to anything or anyone.
I do agree with this overall.

Everyone should be happy about it whether Cavs fans, or LeBron fans, or Love fans or whatever.

But this is ISH. You can't tell me people wouldn't be trying to spin it into agenda on here

[J Shuttlesworth]

Wade's 2013 Finals > LeBron's 2011 Finals

Wade played well enough as a second option, LeBron failed pretty miserably as a co-first option
True, but Wade wasn't a good 2nd option in the 2014 finals.

In fact, LeBron 2011 finals was > Wade 2014 finals

[Smoke117]

True, but Wade wasn't a good 2nd option in the 2014 finals.

In fact, LeBron 2011 finals was > Wade 2014 finals


Lebron in his prime was better than a past his prime Wade with knee problems, you don't say? :yaohappy: Wade's body gave out...Lebrons constitution did. He crumbled under the pressure plain and simple.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Dumb thread.

Magic has lost fmvp to more than Kareem.

Bird lost fmvp.

Wade could have been fmvp had he closed that series out. (Not saying it was his fault, just that he could have played better to win fmvp)

Duncan has lost fmvps to Kawhi Leonard and Tony Parker, and if the Spurs had won in 5 games in 2013 Danny Green would have been FMVP....

In a 7 game span anything can happen really. Kyrie is certainly good enough to get hot for games.


So what is the awkwardness?
See you are making logical arguments here.

This is ISH though. People follow their emotions, not logic on here.

On any other forum, it wouldn't be awkward.

But on this forum, it really challenges a lot of posters agendas on here.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Lebron in his prime was better than a past his prime Wade with knee problems, you don't say? :yaohappy:
Wade was healthy for the playoffs. He killed it in the ECF 2014, but shat the bed in the finals.

[Smoke117]

Wade was healthy for the playoffs. He killed it in the ECF 2014, but shat the bed in the finals.

There is no such thing as being healthy when you are a professional athlete with no cartilage in your knee.

[SouBeachTalents]

True, but Wade wasn't a good 2nd option in the 2014 finals.

In fact, LeBron 2011 finals was > Wade 2014 finals

Lol, you have no argument from me, Wade was terrible, and played like a straight up scrub the last two games of the Finals. However, LeBron's 2011 performance was definitely more costly, he really did cost them the title that year. I think even a good series from Wade doesn't change the outcome of last years Finals.

[Lebron23]

Tony Parker won the Finals MVP over a Prime Duncan in 2007. The Goal of the team is to win the NBA championship, but first they need to concentrate on beating the Celtics.

[Hey Yo]

Kobe only plays a total of 41 games the last 2 seasons and Lakers can't even achieve a 30 win season.

Stay mad. :yaohappy:
I wasn't referring to the last 2 seasons. Beside's, Kobe hasn't been seen on the bench giving support in a long time. That was a younger Kobe in the gif

[MEB2kDeez]

Considering that Irving & Love have no playoff experience, that would be amazing if either won FMVP lol

[stephanieg]

Love wins FMVP then bolts for LA? I need to fan myself.

[Showtime2001]

I wasn't referring to the last 2 seasons. Beside's, Kobe hasn't been seen on the bench giving support in a long time. That was a younger Kobe in the gif
You said they win more often than not which isn't true they haven't done jack without him. :oldlol:

[triangleoffense]

I don't think it would matter... people would just say it adds to Lebron's greatness since he was able to defer. Also i doubt it would ever happen since Lebron's game is so dominant.

[RedBlackAttack]

Considering that Irving & Love have no playoff experience, that would be amazing if either won FMVP lol

It's not like that would be an NBA first or anything. A couple of guys have picked up Finals MVPs in their first season making the playoffs. And, not all of them did it as the consensus best player on the team, either.

In 1980, Magic Johnson won FMVP in his first taste of the playoffs with what many regarded as the best player in the NBA on his team.

Kyrie isn't likely to win the award this year and I don't care who gets it if the Cavs win... but he's entirely capable. He won the FIBA MVP over the summer with Steph Curry, James Harden and Anthony Davis on his team and going against competition that included Marc Gasol.

Not to say that the FIBA tournament is like the NBA playoffs or the Finals, but it does show that Kyrie is entirely capable of standing out even on a team filled with stars.

[CarlosBoozer]

Cavs fan will be happy to have a championship banner, Lebron fans won't really give a shit since LBJ will have another ring in his collection, everyone else doesn't matter, fact is lbj went to cavs and they both made it to the playoffs and won the chip? Fmvp won't change anything imo.

[NattyPButter]

have no problem with Kyrie winning FMVP. When he brings his A game he's a offensive juggernaut. I just hope Lebron doesn't play passive and shoot a bunch of 3s thinking he's Ray Allen. Seen that so many times this season and put the team in a hole when he played like that.

[C-A-T-S]

That would be awkward.