Isiah Thomas' hate for Karl Malone & Scottie Pippen [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Wade's Rings

04-18-2015, 02:29 PM

What's wrong with that? Stockton was the better offensive player and more efficient. Malone was birdfed by Stockton all his career

He also said Malone not making Free Throws is why they never won a Title. (This was from a previous Open Court Episode)

On Pippen he brought up a Game in the 1994 Playoffs that Pippen sat the last play out on the bench because the play wasn't for him. (This was from Yesterday's "Clutch Shots" Episode)
In another episode he sneaked dissed Pippen by saying some players were winning rings but they were riding in the car but never driving it.( This was from "The 50 Greatest & Next 10" Episode)

L.Kizzle

04-18-2015, 02:33 PM

He also said Malone not making Free Throws is why they never won a Title. (This was from a previous Open Court Episode)

On Pippen he brought up a Game in the 1994 Playoffs that Pippen sat the last play out on the bench because the play wasn't for him. (This was from Yesterday's "Clutch Shots" Episode)
In another episode he sneaked dissed Pippen by saying some players were winning rings but they were riding in the car but never driving it.( This was from "The 50 Greatest & Next 10" Episode)
He also said a player shouldn't be on the top 50 list. He didn't say the name but Shaq was like "say it, we know who it is already."

disel

04-18-2015, 02:37 PM

Malone snapped his nose in half

3ball

04-18-2015, 04:56 PM

Regarding Pippen, Isiah Thomas brought up a Game in the 1994 Playoffs that Pippen sat the last play out on the bench because the play wasn't for him. (This was from Yesterday's "Clutch Shots" Episode)

In another episode Isiah Thomas dissed Pippen by saying some players were winning rings but they were riding in the car but never driving it.( This was from "The 50 Greatest & Next 10" Episode)

This ^^^^^ was the consensus about Pippen:

Chuck Daly: "It doesn't entail me playing you necessarily... it's our 5.... playing... you."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gCMWuCdsGQ&t=27m41s

Bill Laimbeer: "We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordannaires - and you can't win championships like that with only 1 player."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h07m33s

Phil Jackson: "Don't leave Michael all alone here. It's not TIME yet." - this was Phil Jackson during a huddle in the 1991 NBA Finals, showing how the everyday game plan was to leave Michael alone and let him do everything himself down the stretch of games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=30m20s

Scottie Pippen: "Maybe it was the pressure. As the pressure grew, the pounding grew. I wasn't able to answer the bell." - this was Pippen in the Bad Boys documentary ADMITTING he was a non-factor and how the pressure caused him to disappear in 1990 ECF Game 7 - this cost the Bulls a trip to the Finals that year.. This is Pippen himself saying that MJ was all alone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h22m15s

24-Inch_Chrome

04-18-2015, 05:02 PM

3ball admitting that Jordan needed his teammates. :applause:

L8krH8tr

04-18-2015, 05:48 PM

Did you notice how Steve Smith and Grant Will were like dam you're really taking this to a higher degree when he mentioned Stockton passing the pall to Malone when Jordan stole the ball. He said they would of won if Stockton never passed.

JellyBean

04-18-2015, 06:00 PM

Dang!! I gotta start watching Open Court again. Zeke is legit.

Smoke117

04-18-2015, 06:20 PM

aha Isiah salty as hell over Karl knocking him the **** out. That he hates Jordan and Pippen has been known for a long time,but what is he going to say about the player considered the GOAT without looking like a clown? Since he can't do that without looking like a huge moron, he has to go hard at Pippen instead...big man.

necya

04-18-2015, 06:44 PM

Thomas should be known to be as stupid as he's good o the court.
dude has literally nothing in his head.

L.Kizzle

04-18-2015, 06:53 PM

Legends66NBA7

04-18-2015, 07:28 PM

I hope one day Isiah is a full time color commentator again. He's was really good at that.

L.Kizzle

04-19-2015, 02:39 PM

I hope one day Isiah is a full time color commentator again. He's was really good at that.
He's on NBA TV full time.

secund2nun

04-19-2015, 02:47 PM

This ^^^^^ was the consensus about Pippen:

Chuck Daly: "It doesn't entail me playing you necessarily... it's our 5.... playing... you."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gCMWuCdsGQ&t=27m41s

Bill Laimbeer: "We didn't even think about Scottie Pippen. It was Michael Jordan and the Jordannaires - and you can't win championships like that with only 1 player."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h07m33s

Phil Jackson: "Don't leave Michael all alone here. It's not TIME yet." - this was Phil Jackson during a huddle in the 1991 NBA Finals, showing how the everyday game plan was to leave Michael alone and let him do everything himself down the stretch of games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=30m20s

Scottie Pippen: "Maybe it was the pressure. As the pressure grew, the pounding grew. I wasn't able to answer the bell." - this was Pippen in the Bad Boys documentary ADMITTING he was a non-factor and how the pressure caused him to disappear in 1990 ECF Game 7 - this cost the Bulls a trip to the Finals that year.. This is Pippen himself saying that MJ was all alone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h22m15s

55 wins AFTER Jordan retired and should have made the ECF in a winnable series if not robbed in the ECSF in their 7 game loss. Jordan never won a playoff series without Pippen.

To act like Jordan carried Chicago is a joke. There is a reason they didn't turn into a lottery team like Cleveland did after Lebron left. Get over it.

3ball

04-19-2015, 04:26 PM

1994 Bulls had winnable series vs. NY in 2nd Round

Not true - the Bulls were down 2-0 to the Knicks in 1994 - they were about to lose Game 3 and go down 3-0, until Kukoc saved the Bulls with his walk-off, Ray-Allen-like, miracle-shot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NSpgbPcxoU

The Bulls had played over their heads in the regular season and got exposed in the playoffs - the 1994 ECSF was very much a debacle for the Bulls (Pippen sitting out), and it showed how much they missed MJ's leadership and mental toughness.

Of course, considering MJ had already 3-peated from 1991-1993, it shouldn't have been a surprise that he turned his team into 3-peat champions AGAIN when he came back.. The Bulls were ordinary 2nd round exit team that almost got swept - MJ turned them into the greatest team of all time with his typical GOAT production, clutch, 4th quarter performance and being a mental giant.

3ball

04-19-2015, 04:32 PM

To act like Jordan carried Chicago is a joke.
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No it's not - as you can see from the quotes above, it was the consensus among HOF's... I'll take their word over yours - you know Phil Jackson, Chuck Daly, and all the players who played against MJ.

Here's Joe Dumars saying players become "consumed" by Michael Jordan when playing against him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gCMWuCdsGQ&t=26m37s

"You become consumed by Michael Jordan. You become consumed that he's out there."
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Roundball_Rock

04-19-2015, 04:39 PM

55 wins AFTER Jordan retired and should have made the ECF in a winnable series if not robbed in the ECSF in their 7 game loss. Jordan never won a playoff series without Pippen.

To act like Jordan carried Chicago is a joke. There is a reason they didn't turn into a lottery team like Cleveland did after Lebron left. Get over it.

Yup--and that literally is the only time a team lost a GOAT-caliber player and remained that good the next year. In every other case the team missed the playoffs (i.e. the 15' Heat or the 05' Lakers) or was first round fodder (i.e. the 89' Celtics or 92' Lakers). Yet Jordan had no help? :oldlol: His team without him equaled the Knicks with Ewing--and MJ fans acknowledge the Knicks were the Bulls' toughest competitor in the 90's.

We saw this year how the Heat went from 54 wins and the Finals to 37 wins and 10th in the East without LeBron--despite adding Whiteside, Dragic, Deng and Wade being rejuvenated (Bosh went down but they added Dragic after Bosh's departure and had the same winning percentage with or without Bosh as a result).

3ball

04-19-2015, 04:52 PM

(i.e. the 15' Heat or the 05' Lakers) or was first round fodder (i.e. the 89' Celtics or 92' Lakers). Yet Jordan had no help? :oldlol: His team without him equaled the Knicks with Ewing--and MJ fans acknowledge the Knicks were the Bulls' toughest competitor in the 90's.

We saw this year how the Heat went from 54 wins and the Finals to 37 wins and 10th in the East without LeBron

the Lakers won 57 games in 1989, and then 61 in 1990 when they lost Kareem.

but more importantly, none of the teams you mentioned were defending 3-peat champions where the best players were in their primes..

all those teams you mentioned were playoff losers going into the next season where the best players were past their prime and on steep decline.

considering MJ had already 3-peated from 1991-1993, it shouldn't have been a surprise that he turned his team into 3-peat champions AGAIN when he came back.. The Bulls were ordinary 2nd round exit team that almost got swept - MJ turned them into the greatest team of all time with his typical GOAT production, clutch, 4th quarter performance and being a mental giant.

Roundball_Rock

04-19-2015, 04:55 PM

:oldlol: at invoking the Lakers after 42 year old KAJ retired.

I watched MJ play, unlike you. He actually did play in 1995--and the Bulls did slightly worse in the 95' playoffs than in the 94' playoffs. In 94' the Bulls were robbed in the ECSF in 7 games; in 95' the Bulls were defeated legitimately in the ECSF in 6 games. It took the Bulls gambling on Rodman for the Bulls to reclaim the throne.

The other thing about the MJ case is he retired 2 days before training camp, forcing the Bulls to replace him with a D-Leaguer. Imagine that team if MJ retired over the summer and the Bulls could sign a NBA SG during free agent. They nearly won the #1 seed with a gaping hole in their starting line-up.

3ball

04-19-2015, 04:56 PM

The Bulls without him equaled the Knicks with Ewing

Not true - the Bulls were down 2-0 to the Knicks in 1994 - they were about to lose Game 3 and go down 3-0, until Kukoc saved the Bulls with his walk-off, Ray-Allen-like, miracle-shot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NSpgbPcxoU

The Bulls had played over their heads in the regular season and got exposed in the playoffs - the 1994 ECSF was very much a debacle for the Bulls (Pippen sitting out), and it showed how much they missed MJ's leadership and mental toughness.

Roundball_Rock

04-19-2015, 05:01 PM

Absurd. Look at all the metrics.

*Knicks 57 wins (with Ewing), Bulls 55 wins (without Jordan).
*7 game ECSF where the Knicks' wins came by 1*, 4, 5, and 10 points.
*Chicago actually outscored New York slightly in the series.
*The home team won every game--the Bulls' injury problems cost them the #1 seed.
*You mentioned the Bulls were nearly down 0-3. That is true--but it is also true the Bulls were nearly up 3-0. They led late in the game in both Game 1 and Game 2. In fact, they held fourth quarter leads in 6 out of 7 games.
*The Bulls did not "sneak up" on anyone. If that were the case they would have faded badly later in the season after a torrid start (i.e. the 13' Knicks). Instead they closed the year 9-3 in April (the Knicks were 7-6 that month). They were in the battle for the #1 seed from Christmas onward.

The following year CHI lost Horace Grant. So they lost the "GOAT" and their third best player--and failed to replace either. Yet they still remained a 5th-6th place team in the East. :oldlol: Imagine, say, the Heat losing LeBron and Bosh and not replacing either or the Celtics losing Bird and Parish and not replacing either. They would not be anywhere near 5th place in their conference. Yet MJ had no help? :roll:

It is funny, Chicago declined more without Grant than they did without MJ.

3ball

04-19-2015, 05:12 PM

Yet MJ had no help?

We all know a 1-man team can't win - but MJ's GOAT stats (other than Wilt) prove that he had to produce more for his championships than any other player ever has - he won more by himself than any other player ever - the stats prove this - they are what they are.. :confusedshrug:

Show me someone else that put up equal or better numbers to MJ on their way to championships, and then you might have something - but you can't - MJ simply had to produce more for his championships than anyone else ever did.

Also, every single player and coach says it was all about MJ.. I can post quotes all day of opponents saying it was all about MJ and "they didn't even think about Scottie Pippen".. Is it rational to take your word over theirs?.. No

Roundball_Rock

04-19-2015, 06:00 PM

Also, every single player and coach says it was all about MJ..

Is this a joke? :roll:

3ball

04-19-2015, 06:03 PM

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We all know a 1-man team can't win - but MJ's GOAT stats (other than Wilt) prove that he had to produce more for his championships than any other player ever has - he won more by himself than any other player ever - the stats prove this - they are what they are.. :confusedshrug:

Show me someone else that put up equal or better numbers to MJ on their way to championships, and then you might have something - but you can't - MJ simply had to produce more for his championships than anyone else ever did.

Also, every single player and coach says it was all about MJ.. I can post quotes all day of opponents saying it was all about MJ and "they didn't even think about Scottie Pippen".. Is it rational to take your word over theirs?.. No

Is this a joke?

so the only thing in the post you disagreed with was that not literally EVERY coach and player said it was all about MJ?

cool

Roundball_Rock

04-19-2015, 06:08 PM

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so the only thing in the post you felt the need to point out and disagree with is that not literally EVERY coach and player said it was all about MJ?

cool

:lol There is a long list of players and coaches, both on the Bulls and elsewhere, who note the contributions of Pippen and to a lesser extent that of other players, i.e. Grant and Rodman. Jordan himself was Pippen's biggest fan!

"When I called him (Pippen) the best player in the league I meant it."--Michael Jordan

MJ once compared Pippen to Magic and Bird.

Jordan thought 26 year old Pippen>PEAK Drexler, prime Stockton and Magic on the Dream Team.

Jordan said Pippen should have been FMVP in 97'.

Jordan was leading the Pippen for MVP charge in the 96' season.

"I am not even the best player on my team anymore."--MJ in 95'

And the list goes on and on--and this is for only MJ.

ThickassGlasses

04-19-2015, 06:10 PM

Smoke117

04-19-2015, 06:11 PM

While I enjoy 3ball being kicked around like a child, it's pointless. I'm 99% sure he doesn't even read replies..

He just opens a big Google Document with different essays and copy and pastes them into ISH. He might look for 1 keyword in a reply but no more.

I don't even know why so many people give him serious responses. If you humor a troll he's never going to go away...

3ball

04-19-2015, 06:14 PM

both on the Bulls and elsewhere, who note the contributions of Pippen and to a lesser extent that of other players, i.e. Grant and Rodman. Jordan himself was Pippen's biggest fan!

:roll:

being on top requires modesty and giving credit to teammates.. of course MJ is going to give his right-hand man some props and big him up.

and of course there will be quotes saying nice things about pippen.. you think no one EVER said anything nice about pippen?... :roll:

but for every 1 quote you have for Pippen, there are 20 for MJ...

it's interesting, because i've noticed that you and other ISH posters love to point out the exception to the norm - but when you point out exceptions to the norm, all you do is prove the existence of said norm.
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3ball

04-19-2015, 06:23 PM

ILLsmak

04-19-2015, 09:12 PM

Dang!! I gotta start watching Open Court again. Zeke is legit.

It's ****ed up cuz I realized dude is a legit psychopath. Some guys have their on court persona... or are just cold blooded, but that dude is for real. I think he's more of a psycho than anyone I can think of.

Either that or he just fails at charisma. But he's got that look in his eyes even when he's smiling. He looks like he would kill someone. He's even staring Shaq down.

-Smak

trig

04-20-2015, 04:47 AM

i do agree with zeke that stockton shouldve score a little more because he can.

Dresta

04-20-2015, 05:08 AM

Yup--and that literally is the only time a team lost a GOAT-caliber player and remained that good the next year. In every other case the team missed the playoffs (i.e. the 15' Heat or the 05' Lakers) or was first round fodder (i.e. the 89' Celtics or 92' Lakers). Yet Jordan had no help? :oldlol: His team without him equaled the Knicks with Ewing--and MJ fans acknowledge the Knicks were the Bulls' toughest competitor in the 90's.

We saw this year how the Heat went from 54 wins and the Finals to 37 wins and 10th in the East without LeBron--despite adding Whiteside, Dragic, Deng and Wade being rejuvenated (Bosh went down but they added Dragic after Bosh's departure and had the same winning percentage with or without Bosh as a result).
Stop with this bullshit. As if having over 30 different starting line ups and zero continuity throughout a season, for a team trying to forge a new identity, are the same conditions as coming back with the team fully in tact after 3 straight finals appearances.

Your comparisons, as usual, are flimsy, selective, and laughable. Ignore that Miami got rampaged in the finals even with Lebron, and that their only center was an often-injured 36yo who can only play a max of 20 mpg, a team that spent the games they were fighting for playoff position starting Haslem and Henry Walker @ the 4 & 5.

But yes, a fair way of portraying all this is to say that they replaced Bron with Whiteside, Dragic and Deng (even though Whiteside and Dragic played a good deal less than a 70 game 35mpg season combined).

IllegalD

04-20-2015, 11:18 AM

No one wins a championship all by himself - there are always 5 guys out there.

But Jordan's GOAT stats prove that he won championships MORE by himself than anyone in history - the stats are what they are.. :confusedshrug:

How many All-star teammates did Hakeem have on his first championship again...? :confusedshrug:

DCL

04-20-2015, 11:25 AM

if isiah hates pip, the feeling is quite mutual :oldlol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7akp4AIPxo

jayfan

04-20-2015, 03:58 PM

if isiah hates pip, the feeling is quite mutual :oldlol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7akp4AIPxo

This is part of why Isiah hates him. That and, of course, that he's a side-car riding super-beta who quit on his own team in the 90's and was little more than a wuss in the 80's.

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3ball

04-20-2015, 07:53 PM

How many All-star teammates did Hakeem have on his first championship again...? :confusedshrug:

Same as MJ in 1991 - zero... Otis Thorpe was an all-star, but just not in 1994.

MJ, Hakeem, and maybe 1 or 2 others are the only #1 options to win a championship with no other all-stars on their team.

Btw, if a Player A has to put up better stats to win his championships than Player B, than Player A has less help.. There's no other possible explanation.. 2+2=4.. MJ's GOAT stats prove he had less help.