Scottie Pippen calls himself the Bulls' greatest franchise player

[mehyaM24]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/05/scottie-pippen-im-the-greatest-chicago-bull-of-all-time-video/

old news somewhat, but considering the amount of jordan/pippen threads being made, i found this to be relevant.

its funny though - some claim pippen was being facetious in his claim, but if you knew pippen behind the scenes, or at least what was leaked out during the bulls' reign, you would know there's a lot of truth behind that statement. just think about this for a second: prior to drafting pippen, the bulls had NEVER won a championship AND were also 1-9 in the playoffs with jordan as their captain.

the very season pippen was drafted, chicago breaks the drought and win their first playoff series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M79eJyW_T0M

in a do-or-die game, pippen delivered the goods - closing out the cavs in epic fashion with his rebounding, assists, steals, blocks (defense) and points. basically his usual self.

the bulls would later go-on to win 6 championships, all with pippen being the lead playmaker, defender, & more importantly, anointed TEAM captain by phil jackson. phil knew pippen's impact went beyond volume scoring, which is why he relied/put so much trust & responsibility onto him.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/1996.html
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/1997.html

^^^^ checkout pippen's defensive impact during the 2nd three peat. his OVERALL impact was greater than any chicago bull that season, and despite the injuries, which hindered his offense, a top 10 player still and all - the ultimate all-around player.

[Midnite89]

I see why you're red

[nathanjizzle]

there was a time a few years ago when he was mad at jordan because jordan wouldnt give or loan him money when his money was dwindling. so he started saying things like this, and that lebron was better than jordan.

[juju151111]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/05/scottie-pippen-im-the-greatest-chicago-bull-of-all-time-video/

old news somewhat, but considering the amount of jordan/pippen threads being made, i found this to be relevant.

its funny though - some claim pippen was being facetious in his claim, but if you knew pippen behind the scenes, or at least what was leaked out during the bulls' reign, you would know there's a lot of truth behind that statement. just think about this for a second: prior to drafting pippen, the bulls had NEVER won a championship AND were also 1-9 in the playoffs with jordan as their captain.

the very season pippen was drafted, chicago breaks the drought and win their first playoff series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M79eJyW_T0M

in a do-or-die game, pippen delivered the goods - closing out the cavs in epic fashion with his rebounding, assists, steals, blocks (defense) and points. basically his usual self.

the bulls would later go-on to win 6 championships, all with pippen being the lead playmaker, defender, & more importantly, anointed TEAM captain by phil jackson. phil knew pippen's impact went beyond volume scoring, which is why he relied/put so much trust & responsibility onto him.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/1996.html
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/1997.html

^^^^ checkout pippen's defensive impact during the 2nd three peat. his OVERALL impact was greater than any chicago bull that season, and despite the injuries, which hindered his offense, a top 10 player still and all - the ultimate all-around player.
Pippen only led the Bulls in asts in the 92 playoffs in his first 6 years. Mm was always the leader. The 98 bulls were still like Number 1 on defense with Pippen missing half the season.

Get the real RAPM. Until they release them I don't want to hear it.

Now let's look at the facts
MVPs during the Bulls Championship. 6 for Mj and 6 finals MVP. You claim Pollen was the best because of a joke commercial that someone else wrote for him to say:wtf:

[mehyaM24]

there was a time a few years ago when he was mad at jordan because jordan wouldnt give or loan him money when his money was dwindling. so he started saying things like this, and that lebron was better than jordan.
i think he was angry @ the media for not calling it like they saw. frustrated with the hype & acclaim jordan got (some of it was deserved), pippen finally laid out truth bombs.

anyone remember the 96 interview with roy firestone? asked if he wanted to be the "next jordan", pippen with a death stare, said he wanted to be himself - a legend in his own right.

6/6 as the team captain ain't too shabby :bowdown:

[mehyaM24]

Get the real RAPM. Until they release them I don't want to hear it.

Now let's look at the facts
that is rapm. and those are facts. xRAPM may not be 100%, but still the best IMPACT measure we have to date for that era.

pippen was by far the most impactful bull during the second 3peat, as the data suggests.

[plowking]

I always had Horace Grant above him as the best Bull ever. But after reading OP's intelligent breakdown and thoughts, I'm saying it is Scottie.

Big Dick Scottie. :applause:

[mehyaM24]

I always had Horace Grant above him as the best Bull ever. But after reading OP's intelligent breakdown and thoughts, I'm saying it is Scottie.

Big Dick Scottie. :applause:
honest question

metrics aside, where would you rate pippen's defense during the second 3peat? just those years, in-terms of impact among other superstars.

[plowking]

honest question

metrics aside, where would you rate pippen's defense during the second 3peat? just those years, in-terms of impact among other superstars.

I wasn't born then, so I wouldn't know.

[mehyaM24]

I wasn't born then, so I wouldn't know.
hmmm

[juju151111]

that is rapm. and those are facts. xRAPM may not be 100%, but still the best IMPACT measure we have to date for that era.

pippen was by far the most impactful bull during the second 3peat, as the data suggests.
Like I said call me when the 100% stat comes out and tell me how Pippen was the best defender and playmaker during the fist threepeat. Why does MJ have 5 mvps and Pippen none? Also why did you post a commercial that Pip is reading from a script.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I see why you're red

You have the exact same rep as him..

[mehyaM24]

Like I said call me when the 100% stat comes out and tell me how Pippen was the best defender and playmaker during the fist threepeat. Why does MJ have 5 mvps and Pippen none? Also why did you post a commercial that Pip is reading from a script.
media awards - the media has a bias for volume scorers

and again, its the best impact measure to date - 100% or not. xRAPM relies on box score metrics like RPM which is used by ESPN regularly. its basically the same thing.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/1993.html
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/1992.html
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/1991.html

^^^ all years pippen had a better net/plus on defense - facts that don't rely on media puppets who continuously modify their "MVP" criteria.

[juju151111]

media awards - the media has a bias for volume scorers

and again, its the best impact measure to date - 100% or not. xRAPM relies on box score metrics like RPM which is used by ESPN regularly. its nearly the same thing.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/1993.html
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/1992.html
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/1991.html

^^^ all years pippen had a better net plus on defense - facts that don't rely on puppets who continuously modify their criteria for "MVP".
Not RAPM call me when they released the official stat for those years.
Volume scorer? Mj shot 50% or over and led the league in stls.

Media? The coaches voted him not the media numnuts. Also explains Mj leading the team in asts throughout the playoffs from 88-93 except 92:applause:. Wait are you claiming Mj wasn't the Mvp in 91-92. :lol :oldlol: :oldlol: :roll: delusional

[mehyaM24]

Not RAPM call me when they released the official stat for those years.
Volume scorer? Mj shot 50% or over and led the league in stls.

that is rapm. xRAPM is a variable of rapm. you can repeat yourself until you're blue in the face, but it still doesn't hold true. sorry.

and "volume" has nothing to do with efficiency and steals. learn the definition.


Media? The coaches voted him not the media numnuts.
lol @ this idiot. coaches don't vote for MVP. you might want to delete your comment before embarrasing yourself any further.

[juju151111]

that is rapm. xRAPM is a variable of rapm. you can repeat yourself until you're blue in the face, but it still doesn't hold true. sorry.

and "volume" has nothing to do with efficiency and steals. learn the definition.


lol @ this idiot. coaches don't vote for MVP. you might want to delete your comment before embarrasing yourself any further.
I wasn't talking about the mvp. I was talking about the dpoty. He won the coaches vote in 93.

Doesn't Matter how much you say it it's not true until the official numbers come through. The 98 bulls did fine on defense even with Pip missing half the season. They even had a better defense that year.

My takes a lot of shot but is efficient. He not what people refer to has a volume scorer. Iverson,Kobe etc... Are volume scorers. You still didn't answer my question. Who should of been the Mvp in 91-92 if the Media apparently got it wrong.

[mehyaM24]

you never mentioned "dpoty" or the coaches voting for him in 1993.

nice try. monkey brains LMAO

[mehyaM24]

volume has nothing to do with efficiency. a 'volume scorer' refers to a player who takes a lot of shots.

learn the definition. while you're at it, the difference between all-team selections/mvps, and xRAPM which is basically the same stat as RPM - the "official" ESPN stat.

[juju151111]

you never mentioned "dpoty" or the coaches voting for him in 1993.

nice try. monkey brains LMAO
Well I misspoke I ment the dpoty. Anyways tell me who should be the mvp in 91-92 and why Mj led the Bulls in playoffs says in 88-93 except 92. Why Mj has 6 finals Mvp and Pippen none. Why Pip/Grant played like scribe and cost the Bulls a chip in 90. Why the Pistons said Pippen wasn't who we are worried about at all.

[mehyaM24]

Well I misspoke I ment the dpoty.
you're still wrong. dpoy isn't voted by coaches either. :facepalm

this will be my last post addressing you.

[juju151111]

you're still wrong. dpoy isn't voted by coaches either. :facepalm

this will be my last post addressing you.
I never said it was you idiot. They did a poll and the coaches voted Mj has it in 93 you dumb****. Still hasn't answer my question. Who was better then Mj in 90-93. :lol

[Done_And_Done]

Pippen could have a pair of bull horns growing out of his ass. The franchise will always be synonymous with MJ's greatness. Amazing second option but the aforementioned point remains.

[mehyaM24]

I never said it was you idiot. They did a poll and the coaches voted Mj has it in 93 you dumb****. Still hasn't answer my question. Who was better then Mj in 90-93. :lol
be more clearer in your posts. it helps when trying to decipher the point you want to get across.

as i said, jordan was the better volume scorer, pippen was the better defender, playmaker & rebounder.

pippen, as per phil jackson, was also the bulls' captain.

[dh144498]

I always had Horace Grant above him as the best Bull ever. But after reading OP's intelligent breakdown and thoughts, I'm saying it is Scottie.

Big Dick Scottie. :applause:


:roll:

[juju151111]

be more clearer in your posts. it helps when trying to decipher the point you want to get across.

as i said, jordan was the better volume scorer, pippen was the better defender, playmaker & rebounder.

pippen, as per phil jackson, was also the bulls' captain.
Are you retarded? Who was the best player in the nba from 90-93

[julizaver]

be more clearer in your posts. it helps when trying to decipher the point you want to get across.

as i said, jordan was the better volume scorer, pippen was the better defender, playmaker & rebounder.

pippen, as per phil jackson, was also the bulls' captain.

:roll: at those claims.

[G0ATbe]

:confusedshrug: It's true.

[DonDadda59]

Does anyone else find it hilarious that the Bron stans are using old recycled Bean stan tactics to try to tear down the GOAT? With all the talk of zone sandwiches and grossly overrating Pippen lately, you'd think it was 2008. :lol

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Does anyone else find it hilarious that the Bron stans are using old recycled Bean stan tactics to try to tear down the GOAT? With all the talk of zone sandwiches and grossly overrating Pippen lately, you'd think it was 2008. :lol

Join date: Jan 2009

:coleman:

[DonDadda59]

Join date: Jan 2009

:coleman:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-20-2015/uw3zBy.gif

[Dro]

We get it OP, you hate Jordan...geez....

[mehyaM24]

We get it OP, you hate Jordan...geez....
i dont hate jordan. he's one of the greatest scorers ever IMO.

pippen just deserves his props - goat perimeter defender & leader/playmaker of a championship dynasty.

^^^ those are attributes you don't find in too many players, which makes his IMPACT unique in a sense.

[dh144498]

i dont hate jordan. he's one of the greatest scorers ever IMO.

pippen just deserves his props - goat perimeter defender & leader/playmaker of a championship dynasty.

^^^ those are attributes you don't find in too many players, which makes his IMPACT unique in a sense.

so who do you say is the better player, Jordan or Pippen?

[mehyaM24]

so who do you say is the better player, Jordan or Pippen?
i think jordan was a more skilled & better player during the first 3peat.

the second 3peat? i'm not so sure. pippen's impact negated any skill deficiency pippen lacked offensively.

[Angel Face]

i think he was angry @ the media for not calling it like they saw. frustrated with the hype & acclaim jordan got (some of it was deserved), pippen finally laid out truth bombs.

anyone remember the 96 interview with roy firestone? asked if he wanted to be the "next jordan", pippen with a death stare, said he wanted to be himself - a legend in his own right.

6/6 as the team captain ain't too shabby :bowdown:

:biggums:

[Dro]

i dont hate jordan. he's one of the greatest scorers ever IMO.

pippen just deserves his props - goat perimeter defender & leader/playmaker of a championship dynasty.

^^^ those are attributes you don't find in too many players, which makes his IMPACT unique in a sense.
I was just partly messing with you. I agree Pippen deserves more props. He's actually one of the greatest sf's of all time after Bird/Lebron. There's SF's who have better numbers but not many who could do what he could do and it takes talent to be able to play your game while playing with a guy like Jordan on your team.

[mehyaM24]

I was just partly messing with you. I agree Pippen deserves more props. He's actually one of the greatest sf's of all time after Bird/Lebron. There's SF's who have better numbers but not many who could do what he could do and it takes talent to be able to play your game while playing with a guy like Jordan on your team.
well said.

i have him right behind those guys too. i think the problem some have (media especially) is giving the proper respect to players that do it all defensively. scoring & highlight dunks sale. just like touchdowns do in football.

pippen is like the deion sanders of his era, except a much better winner & teammate. more versatile as well. you ask him to do something for your team, and he'll do it plus a couple of other things that don't get marked statistically.

master of all trades, jack of none. :cheers:

[juju151111]

i think jordan was a more skilled & better player during the first 3peat.

the second 3peat? i'm not so sure. pippen's impact negated any skill deficiency pippen lacked offensively.
If you say he is the better player during the 2nd 3 peat then where his Mvps and finals Mvps? What impact? What year did Pippen have more impact then Mj.

[juju151111]

well said.

i have him right behind those guys too. i think the problem some have (media especially) is giving the proper respect to players that do it all defensively. scoring & highlight dunks sale. just like touchdowns do in football.

pippen is like the deion sanders of his era, except a much better winner & teammate. more versatile as well. you ask him to do something for your team, and he'll do it plus a couple of other things that don't get marked statistically.

master of all trades, jack of none. :cheers:
My did all that while scoring. My once won MVP and Dpoty in one season. Had enough energy to score 30+ with 200stls and 100blks. Absurd.

[mehyaM24]

If you say he is the better player during the 2nd 3 peat then where his Mvps and finals Mvps? What impact? What year did Pippen have more impact then Mj.
media awards - which is my point. the media does NOT give proper respect to guys for having ANY other skillset than scoring. look at kg/pierce - pierce scored a couple of more points than kg in those 2008 finals, but he was nowhere near as impactful of a player. it wasn't even close, tbh. the media awarded pierce the finals mvp. smh.

impact as in, pippen's all-round game was more conducive to the teams' success than jordan's volume scoring (second 3peat). the net impact per xRAPM says it all.

[Smoke117]

media awards - which goes is my point. the media does NOT give proper respect to guys for other any other skillset than scoring. look at kg/pierce - pierce scored a few more points than kg in those 2008 finals, but he was nowhere near as impactful of a player. it wasn't even close, tbh.

impact as in - pippen's all-round game was more conducive to the teams' success than jordan's volume scoring (second 3peat). the net impact per xRAPM says it all.

Fact.

[gigantes]

i agree with your general concept, OP... repped you back in to the green for daring to make a thread like this.


i would still say you might be underestimating jordan's work ever so slightly. after all, he was the guy who was not only the huge focus point of every other team in the league, but he embraced the role like few people outside of someone like larry bird. this made pippen's and the other teammates' jobs much easier.

we all know those teams who have the superstar player who doesn't really have the personality to go to war in the trenches. fans are constantly giving them shit despite their stat-stuffing, but jordan was to my mind like a psychopath on the court. he came up with bitter grudges over almost anything and nothing, and messed with other players heads' to a legendary degree.

as mind-blowing as jordan's stats already are, to be that kind of ruthless ty cobb player, day-in and day-out, is extremely rare and adds even more value to the equation.

still, the trio of jackson, pippen and jordan was a masterblend for the ages. i'm willing to give them all equal credit for the ridiculous value they brought to that franchise.

[juju151111]

media awards - which is my point. the media does NOT give proper respect to guys for having ANY other skillset than scoring. look at kg/pierce - pierce scored a couple of more points than kg in those 2008 finals, but he was nowhere near as impactful of a player. it wasn't even close, tbh. the media awarded pierce the finals mvp. smh.

impact as in, pippen's all-round game was more conducive to the teams' success than jordan's volume scoring (second 3peat). the net impact per xRAPM says it all.
KG got the credit he deserved and Mj wasn't just making offensive plays he was all over. So all Mvp are not valid now ok . Mm was more conductive to them winning because he was the best player on the team.

Can you give me the site for XRAP 96-98
I'm not even going to talk about regular season because MJ was clearly better. So let's go to playoffs.

Tell me specifically what year out of 96-98 Pollen was better.

[sportjames23]

i think jordan was a more skilled & better player during the first 3peat.

the second 3peat? i'm not so sure. pippen's impact negated any skill deficiency pippen lacked offensively.


LOL, this kid is a joke.

[3ball]

Y'all crazy..

[3ball]

i'm willing to give them all equal credit for the ridiculous value they brought to that franchise.


What a joke - did Pippen or Phil add tens of billions to the US economy like MJ did, as estimated by Fortune Magazine and others:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fortune-calculates-michael-jordans-impact-on-economy-estimates-the-jordan-effect-at-10-billion---and-counting-78006877.html
http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1998/06/22/244166/index.htm
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2014/11/25/basketball/nba/jordans-global-impact-transcended-racial-economic-boundaries/#.VTWE9iFViko


You're forgetting that MJ was a phenomenon when he entered the league - long before Pippen or Phil got there, MJ's 37 PPG and playoff records had doubled the Bulls franchise value and transformed them from a laughing stock into one of the hottest tickets in the NBA..

By the time Pippen got there in 1988, the "Air" Jordan brand/empire was well-established - kids were already killing each other for his shoes.. literally:

http://niketalk.com/t/329930/si-your-sneakers-or-your-life-1990-article-covers-hype-over-air-jordans


Nobody ever killed anyone over a pair of Pippen's.. And without MJ, the Bulls were an ordinary 2nd round exit team - WITH him, they 3-peated twice..

But keep up the delusional revisionist history - there's a reason Jordan won all the MVP's, and it wasn't because Pippen was equally important.. When teams played the Bulls, they "didn't even think about Pippen (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=367912).".. It was all about Jordan and the Jordan Rules.. Where were the "Pippen Rules"??.. GTFO, that's actually quite funny.. :roll:

[gigantes]

What a joke - did Pippen or Phil add tens of billions to the US economy like MJ did, as estimated by Fortune Magazine and others:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fortune-calculates-michael-jordans-impact-on-economy-estimates-the-jordan-effect-at-10-billion---and-counting-78006877.html
http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1998/06/22/244166/index.htm
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2014/11/25/basketball/nba/jordans-global-impact-transcended-racial-economic-boundaries/#.VTWE9iFViko


You're forgetting that MJ was a phenomenon when he entered the league - long before Pippen or Phil got there, MJ's 37 PPG and playoff records had doubled the Bulls franchise value and transformed them from a laughing stock into one of the hottest tickets in the NBA..

By the time Pippen got there in 1988, the "Air" Jordan brand/empire was well-established - kids were already killing each other for his shoes.. literally:

http://niketalk.com/t/329930/si-your-sneakers-or-your-life-1990-article-covers-hype-over-air-jordans


Nobody ever killed anyone over a pair of Pippen's.. And without MJ, the Bulls were an ordinary 2nd round exit team - WITH him, they 3-peated twice..

But keep up the delusional revisionist history - there's a reason Jordan won all the MVP's, and it wasn't because Pippen was equally important.. When teams played the Bulls, they "didn't even think about Pippen (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=367912).".. It was all about Jordan and the Jordan Rules.. Where were the "Pippen Rules"??.. GTFO, that's actually quite funny.. :roll:
that is probably the biggest pile of nothing that has anything to do with what we were talking about that i've ever seen on even this shitty forum.

just wow.

[KungFuJoe]

Cmon now. Does anyone really actually believe Pippen was more valuable than Jordan or more important to the Bulls franchise and rings?

No one does. Not even the op or the ones in this thread pretending to agree.

[mehyaM24]

i would still say you might be underestimating jordan's work ever so slightly. after all, he was the guy who was not only the huge focus point of every other team in the league, but he embraced the role like few people outside of someone like larry bird. this made pippen's and the other teammates' jobs much easier.

we all know those teams who have the superstar player who doesn't really have the personality to go to war in the trenches. fans are constantly giving them shit despite their stat-stuffing, but jordan was to my mind like a psychopath on the court. he came up with bitter grudges over almost anything and nothing, and messed with other players heads' to a legendary degree.
jordan is the greatest perimeter scorer in history IMO. trust me, i know what he brings to the table. his first 3peat was GOAT-like and up there with very few peaks (shaq/kareem/bird to name the few).

i'm just highlighting pippen's various skills & impact, which reared its ugly head for OPPONENTS in the second 3peat - pippen's defense as per NET impact is some of the greatest ever played. up there with ELITE defensive bigmen (this alone deserves its own thread).

thanks for the rep, btw. :cheers:

[TheMan]

I love me some Pip and he was a crucial piece to the Bulls Dynasty, without him, our franchise isn't winning all 6 titles BUT GET IT THROUGH THAT THICK BRAN STAN SKULL OF YOURS OP, MJ IS THE MAIN REASON THE BULLS HAVE THOSE 6 NBA TITLES. Who's statue is that at the United Center again? :facepalm

[mehyaM24]

I love me some Pip and was a crucial piece to the Bulls Dynasty, without him, our franchise isn't winning 6 titles BUT GET IT THROUGH THAT THICK BRAN STAN SKULL OF YOURS OP, MJ IS THE MAIN REASON THE BULLS HAVE THOSE 6 NBA TITLES. Who's statue is that at the United Center again? :facepalm
pippen's statue is located inside the building :confusedshrug:

guy needs to pull a kareem, get on his soapbox, and start making demands to get it put out there with jordan's. :oldlol:

[3ball]

that is probably the biggest pile of nothing that has anything to do with what we were talking about that i've ever seen on even this shitty forum.

just wow.
you're the one that said MJ, Pippen and Phil had EQUAL value to the organization...

that's obviously not true - if MJ is adding tens of billions to the world economy and kids are killing each other over his shoes, then he's more valuable to the Bulls franchise than Pippen or Phil..

As if his eleven MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards don't explicitly tell us who the MOST VALUABLE is.. :facepalm

[knicksman]

at the end of the day. 2/5<<6/6 :sleeping

[MJistheGOAT]

Awful trolling thread, I know Scottie is from a little to criminally underrated by some MJ stans (not my case), but to argue he is >>> MJ to the Bulls is just April fool

[juju151111]

jordan is the greatest perimeter scorer in history IMO. trust me, i know what he brings to the table. his first 3peat was GOAT-like and up there with very few peaks (shaq/kareem/bird to name the few).

i'm just highlighting pippen's various skills & impact, which reared its ugly head for OPPONENTS in the second 3peat - pippen's defense as per NET impact is some of the greatest ever played. up there with ELITE defensive bigmen (this alone deserves its own thread).

thanks for the rep, btw. :cheers:
What year from 96-98 was pippen better then Jordan.?

[Asukal]

OP is a known anti MJ agenda troll. He likes to pretend to be some knowledgeable poster but he's a beta like bran. :whatever:

[gigantes]

you're the one that said MJ, Pippen and Phil had EQUAL value to the organization...

that's obviously not true - if MJ is adding tens of billions to the world economy and kids are killing each other over his shoes, then he's more valuable to the Bulls franchise than Pippen or Phil..

As if his eleven MOST VALUABLE PLAYER awards don't explicitly tell us who the MOST VALUABLE is.. :facepalm
and you apparently assumed that i was talking about economics... something which i never remotely went in to.

also notice how i'm the middle ground in this argument and people like you get freaked out upon a single line of text, taken out of context, and pretty much go nuts?

really... okay...

just say it, don't spray it next time, grasshopper.

[mehyaM24]

What year from 96-98 was pippen better then Jordan.?
i'm not sure. what i do know for a fact, though, is that pippen's impact on those second 3peat teams was greater than jordan's - especially on the defensive end.

i would say jordan was more skilled & the better scorer, while pippen was the better floor general & defender. tbh, they needed both to play ATG (relative to injuries) just to win those titles.

[veilside23]

Hell boy said red means "stop"

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/hellboy-3-ron-perlman.jpg

[DonDadda59]

pippen's statue is located inside the building :confusedshrug:

guy needs to pull a kareem, get on his soapbox, and start making demands to get it put out there with jordan's. :oldlol:

There are tons of better players Historically and active today who will never see a statue of themselves anywhere. Why the hell would Scottie Pippen make demands like that? :confusedshrug:

[guy]

:oldlol: This thread has gotten way too many serious responses. I'm not sure if the OP or those that are actually going back and forth with him are worse.

[knicksman]

wade>>pippen
bosh>>pippen

yet 2/5:whatever:

[juju151111]

i'm not sure. what i do know for a fact, though, is that pippen's impact on those second 3peat teams was greater than jordan's - especially on the defensive end.

i would say jordan was more skilled & the better scorer, while pippen was the better floor general & defender. tbh, they needed both to play ATG (relative to injuries) just to win those titles.
Bro Pippen missed half the season in 98 and the Bulls still played good defense and better then year before. Pippen was gone with his back problems in game 6 98 finals. Mj had to carry them

[Geh]

3ball, Jordan couldn't make it to the conference finals without Pippen, whereas Pippen did it twice without Jordan.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

I can't believe people keep rehashing that old "1-9" thing.

Christ, Pippen wasn't even an all-star until 90-91. His first two years he was a role player, and yet they won a combined 97 games without a quality second option, reaching the ECF.

People seem to be purposely obtuse when bringing this up. Pippen was pretty much a ball kid his first year, a year in which he averaged 20mpg and the Bulls won 50, yet you all still cling to "1-9". Dunces.

[Collie]

I can't believe people keep rehashing that old "1-9" thing.

Christ, Pippen wasn't even an all-star until 90-91. His first two years he was a role player, and yet they won a combined 97 games without a quality second option, reaching the ECF.

People seem to be purposely obtuse when bringing this up. Pippen was pretty much a ball kid his first year, a year in which he averaged 20mpg and the Bulls won 50, yet you all still cling to "1-9". Dunces.

Because there's nothing else about MJ to discredit. :oldlol: