What Do You Hate The Most About The NBA Game Today?

[Dro]

I love the game, I'm entertained. I watch any game thats on(on the internet of course:cheers: )

But there's still some things we cannot stand about the game. It can be about the way its played, the players, personalities, play styles, fans, atmosphere, whatever.

Me personally. I HATE the flopping. Now I was a Reggie fan, he obviously flopped a lot, its partly his fault. But I kinda blame the refs too, because they don't have to reward it. The way the playoffs are being called, I think its great. They're not calling every bump or even every hit, because that's playoff ball. I wish they would call the regular season games the same way. That probably won't happen though because it would be more physical and players may have shorter careers = less money for the NBA? :confusedshrug:

Anyway, thats mine, whats yours?

[IMObjective]

Man, I saw the title and came in to say FLOPPING! :cheers:

[kennethgriffin]

Too many threes

[Prime_Shaq]

The constant bitching and whining to the refs.

[Dro]

Man, I saw the title and came in to say FLOPPING! :cheers:
Like, I don't blame the players for doing it completely because this is the NBA, you do anything you can get away with to win. I get it. But I still hate it.....

[choppermagic]

The answer is flopping and it isnt close.

It captures so many negatives. Cheap play, unsportsmanlike conduct, prima donna players, lack of toughness, randomness in the outcome of critical plays, etc.

Just an embarrassment. If the NBA took a super hard stance against this, I'd applaud.

[Dro]

Too many threes
I agree with this too. Dudes shot WAAYYY too many threes. Its like, players don't even have to drive and kick that far into the lane anymore, they just have to drive a little bit and just kick it to somebody behind the line and they launch a 3...

I miss the mid-range game...

[Prometheus]

Intentional fouling at the end of games.

I guess it's not so much "about the NBA game today"... it's been this way for as long as I'm aware of, at all levels of basketball... and I'm not sure what could be done about it... but it just really, really sucks. It turns off casual fans and prevents them from appreciating the game more, and it just ruins the fluidity which makes me enjoy basketball in the first place.

[Fudge]

Too much chucking and showboating, and way too many mixed players that look exactly that of a middle schooler.

[choppermagic]

Like, I don't blame the players for doing it completely because this is the NBA, you do anything you can get away with to win. I get it. But I still hate it.....

I disagree with that notion that you do anything you can get away with to win. It's still a game and sport. Players should respect the game, the fans, and sportmanship. Finding ways to cheat is not cool.

[KobesFinger]

The D-FENCE and LETS GO *TEAM NAME* chants

[Dro]

The answer is flopping and it isnt close.

It captures so many negatives. Cheap play, unsportsmanlike conduct, prima donna players, lack of toughness, randomness in the outcome of critical plays, etc.

Just an embarrassment. If the NBA took a super hard stance against this, I'd applaud.
And they shouldn't reward the pump fake, jump into the defender crap either. Ok, if the defender actually gets faked that hard that he flies into the shooter, fine, call a foul. But when he just jumps to try to contest the shot and the shooter pole vaults into him, thats some bs and should not be rewarded. Biting on a pump fake is a natural reaction. Sometimes you HAVE to anticipate the shot, look how quick these guys shoot, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, they have lighting fast releases.....

[Dro]

I disagree with that notion that you do anything you can get away with to win. It's still a game and sport. Players should respect the game, the fans, and sportmanship. Finding ways to cheat is not cool.
I agree with you, I'm not the type to flop, thats not my style and I'm a slim dude too. But I never minded contact. But I know the mentality of some of these dudes who are basically thinking about their legacy every time they step on the court, there's some guys who will do anything and not care.

[plowking]

Flopping is a tough one.

I'm all for it in terms of showing the ref contact where there was contact, and allowing the player to over-act a little. Because they really don't call some clear offensive fouls unless you jerk back and flop a little at times.
But the faking hits and injuries out of complete nothing is what I am against.

[Crystallas]

Flopping #1
Hype Status #2

What do I mean about status? Every team has a star or superstar. BS. A superstar is a household name in my book. If your never-watch sports Grandma in Arizona knows who the best player in Toronto is, they're likely a Superstar. Otherwise GTFO of here by following the agent and PR hype like a little lamb on the prairie.

[Dro]

Flopping is a tough one.

I'm all for it in terms of showing the ref contact where there was contact, and allowing the player to over-act a little. Because they really don't call some clear offensive fouls unless you jerk back and flop a little at times.
But the faking hits and injuries out of complete nothing is what I am against.
I dunno, I don't think they should exaggerate contact at all. I mean, if you didn't get bumped hard enough for it to have any impact on the play, then it shouldn't be called enough anyway. I mean, take the contact. Now if you're not paying attention and you get bumped, it would be pretty obvious and the ref calls those usually. But its like guys are programmed to over exaggerate everything because the refs reward it. If refs stopped rewarding and dudes were just looking silly laying on the ground crying for a foul while their team is outmatched 4-5, players would stop doing it. And if players continue to do it, the coach should bench them.

I just don't understand why they flopped. I've played ball most of my life like many of us and I never thought to flop. It doesn't come to mind, you're on the playground, you're playing hard, but you're just playing. There's no refs, there's no reward for flopping. Plus you'd get clowned/no respect from the other players...

[jzek]

Weak big men and therefore no beautiful post game.

You have Hibbert who is a 2x All-Star. In the 80s or 90s, this guy would be warming up the bench. :facepalm

[thefatmiral]

ticky tack fouls. the reason their flopping is because everything is a foul.

[MP.Trey]

Flopping. Lack of mid-range game. No teams built around big men (still got the Grizz tho). Bitching to refs. Too many stars trying to brand themselves and build an image, rather than improve their game and just play basketball.

Most of them already mentioned. Not that these are all new, but they're getting worse of late it seems.

[SCdac]

I kind of agree with three's too. I made a thread maybe around a year ago discussing the exponential rise in three pointers over the last 20 years (from both players and teams). I think the Timberwolves version of KLove inspired it - dude took a ton of threes. And I think there's a big difference with the 3's a team like the Spurs takes, where they pass the ball around to generally get the best shot from their lineup (happens to be a three some times) and a team like last seasons Rockets, which kind of indiscriminately shoot threes at a more rapid rate to win ball games. Jump shooting teams, but not even midrange. Also, I miss elite big men and post ups, and the ticky tack fouls can be a bit much

[Big Cheese]

I disagree with that notion that you do anything you can get away with to win. It's still a game and sport. Players should respect the game, the fans, and sportmanship. Finding ways to cheat is not cool.

yea but when you play in a league that is as competitive and as high of caliber as the NBA, and there is millions of dollars on the line, you need to have that win by all means mentality, if you want to have a career in competitive sports you NEED to have that mentality, this isnt just for the NBA this is for all professional sports.

Alot of these players wouldnt be in the league or wouldnt be as good if they didnt have that mentality

[VengefulAngel]

What I describe as the Jamal Crawford Syndrome and to a lesser extent Steph Curry.

Falling over after shooting a 3 feigning contact when someone tries to contest a shot. The hilarious thing is the refs actually fall for this shit.

[Detroit]

This might sound stupid, but nothing bothers me more than seeing players mouth guards hanging out their mouths. Shit looks trifee!

They need to sensor their face when they do that shit.

[Viriilink]

Lack of great back to the basket post up bigs. To me, there is a certain beauty watching players score by posting with their back to the basket. When perimeter players post up, teams only use it to exploit size advantage. Whereas great post up bigs are fine doing it against anyone. I guess I'm just tired of watching almost every team only offense is player X driving to the basket from above the three point line.

[Fudge]

This might sound stupid, but nothing bothers me more than seeing players mouth guards hanging out their mouths. Shit looks trifee!

They need to sensor their face when they do that shit.
Couldn't agree more, bud.

http://www.geeksandcleats.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/stephen-curry-warriors-geeksandcleats.jpg

Douchebag level 100 right there.

[Uncle Drew]

Death of the big men.

[ClipperRevival]

1) The game is way too soft.
2) No emotion is allowed

Both are a result of the rules and not the player's faults. But when you take away physicality and the ability to show emotion, you take away two fundamental aspects of the game.

[pauk]

The sudden non existance of handchecking and illegal defense (zone defense is allowed today afterall)......

Zone defense turned the NBA into college ball with all that team defense & team offense and jumper settling/chucking, the rare times the zone defense is initiated today is always/only against specific star player to specifically bottleneck the superstar scorer (ie. Lebron, Durant)... a star cant control the game like he used to, he has to play against 5 guys, i simply liked when you had to guard your man straight up and go up against one guy straight up... one mans offense against one mans defense....

Guess what im trying to say bring back the NBA as it always was before 00s.... which includes the trashtalking, player emotion, etc...

Dont "fix" what aint broken...

[T_L_P]

Too many threes

For once I agree with kenneth.

If I'm a coach I'm pushing the 3 to the death, but I don't like how widespread it's become (though I obviously get it).

Ice was right. Klay's quarter record is a different record to the one he set. The buckets he was making, post moves, navigation efficiency, they are all so creative and entertaining imo.

But smart defensive principles and team play is being pushed now more than ever, which massively outweighs the negative effects of too many threes.

[ClipperRevival]

Also, flopping is a result of the rules. If the league wasn't so strict on calling everything, the players would have no incentive to flop. But since they know the refs call everything, the players have an incentive to flop.

Some of the rules today are a joke and we are getting a less pure form of the game. No physical contact, no emotion and lots of flopping.

[PWB15]

Offensive fouls.

Grown men rather flop on the floor like a b*tch than play defense:facepalm

[Chadwin]

lack of paint camping

[ClipperRevival]

The sudden non existance of handchecking and illegal defense (zone defense is allowed today afterall)......

Zone defense turned the NBA into college ball with all that team defense & team offense and jumper settling/chucking, the rare times the zone defense is initiated today is always/only against specific star player to specifically bottleneck the superstar scorer (ie. Lebron, Durant)... a star cant control the game like he used to, he has to play against 5 guys, i simply liked when you had to guard your man straight up and go up against one guy straight up... one mans offense against one mans defense....

Guess what im trying to say bring back the NBA as it always was before 00s.... which includes the trashtalking, player emotion, etc...

Dont "fix" what aint broken...

Yet, teams seldom run zone. Why? I would say because at this level, players are just too good to guard an area instead of guarding a player. But with the emphasis on the 3 point game, the floor has never been spaced better. Not to mention, no hand checking allowed which gives players more freedom of movement. That is why today is such a perimeter driven game. The rules allow more freedom of movement for wing players.

If I were a dominant wing player, I would prefer to play in today's era and face "zone" once in a while rather than have to play back in the days when tons of physical contact was allowed, you can hand check and there was less spacing on the floor.

[TaLvsCuaL]

The Star system. It happens in many other sports but the NBA is probably the worst case. They believe that they sold more tickets this way but that is ruining the competition.

[He Strong]

Ticky tack fouls.

[atljonesbro]

Overhype of teams based on reputation rather than skill

[the mesiah]

lack of IQ on players,very very rare now do u see any player take control of the game and show real pro generalship.

[ATL_Bball_King]

Hate when they over pay players just because they had one decent season...

Dont like the colluding to win rings...It makes top rookies useless for years...

[The Iron Sheik]

it's not that i hate it, but it's kind of lame how the days of multiple 30ppg scorers are gone. a lot of the best offensive players are playing on the same teams now and guys aren't playing over 40mpg like they used to.

[Dro]

it's not that i hate it, but it's kind of lame how the days of multiple 30ppg scorers are gone. a lot of the best offensive players are playing on the same teams now and guys aren't playing over 40mpg like they used to.
Looks like my NBA 2K association.......

[Round Mound]

Too many threes

This. The Passing (except the Spurs) and Post Game Is All Gone

[Graviton]

The way refs completely change their foul calls in the same game. Sometimes they will allow physical play for the 1st half then start calling every little contact in the 2nd, killing the flow of the game.

[Jameerthefear]

This. The Passing (except the Spurs) and Post Game Is All Gone
this isn't really true at all but ok

[Real14]

Too many Retarden Free throws
Special Treatment for BRON to win
No playoffs logos on tha court
Teams tanking
etc.

[Cone]

flopping and free throws

ironically enough that equals to james harden

[wakencdukest]

Flopping, lack of post play. The fact that a player can get off a clear shot and then fall down or even get hit by incidental contact and still get a foul call. If that ball is out of your hands before the contact there should be no foul, unless it's clear that it was intentional contact.

[k0kakw0rld]

Too many breaks, it kills the flow of the game. It makes the game less exciting.

[bballnoob1192]

Too many threes
i hate this too only because i feel like teams with inside out game has no chance against threes. if you shoot threes at at 33% clip as a team on high volume it's like the most efficient way of scoring.

[Rose'sACL]

this isn't really true at all but ok
He is Barkley Stan. He is trying to match Charles' IQ .

[DonDadda59]

The whole frat bruh, buddy buddy, let's all team up culture. Barkley, Jordan, Ewing/Oakley were all great friends off the court but on it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0NDRsohA5g

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-22-2015/7H01Pz.gif

[MJistheGOAT]

-Too many flops and touch fouls
-Too little physical contact
-No real rivalries, too buddy-buddy relationships
-Lack of post play (I miss old school centers)

[ILLsmak]

Picks. Haha. Stupid how many slightly illegal picks are run. Shit is mad boring. You should not be able to set more than one on ball pick per play and they need to call the illegal ones. Dudes going pick and repick... that's the lamest shit in the nba. Off ball screens are fine for me, but on ball screen overuse makes me roll my eyes.

It's not beautiful for me cuz the picks are so illegal that its always a huge advantage.

-Smak

[jstern]

The softer rules which promotes flopping, and less of a physical batter between the offensive and defensive player. And too much settling for 3s, rather than creating and battling.

[Hit_Em]

I hate that teams dont run zone more

[Cold soul]

Flopping
Soft rule changes.
Ticky tack fouls.
Lack of Post play I miss old school big men game down low in the post.
No emotion or real rivalry's anymore everyone's wants to be buddy/buddy.
No physicality.
Teams tanking too many bad teams now especially out in Eastern Conference.

[knicksman]

refs

[Beastmode88]

Flopping / Whining to the Refs
Lack of toughness / physicality

[OnFire]

The thing i hate the most is the 76ers.

[Dro]

Picks. Haha. Stupid how many slightly illegal picks are run. Shit is mad boring. You should not be able to set more than one on ball pick per play and they need to call the illegal ones. Dudes going pick and repick... that's the lamest shit in the nba. Off ball screens are fine for me, but on ball screen overuse makes me roll my eyes.

It's not beautiful for me cuz the picks are so illegal that its always a huge advantage.

-Smak
Yeah, I definitely agree with this. It feels like all everybody does is run pick and roll, OVER AND OVER AND OVER. It doesn't matter if you have a good 1 on 1 player, they too run pick and roll over and over and it does create a huge advantage because most of the picks are illegal. Even good ball handlers like Harden, Lebron, Kyrie, CP3, EVERYBODY, uses pick and roll all day. I definitely don't remember pick and roll being run this much back in the day.

Also gotta agree with the buddy, buddy stuff. Thats why I like Draymond Green, Noah, KG, Westbrook, Harden too. They're not out there trying be the other team's best friend, they're trying to blow them out...

[elementally morale]

Players (mostly guards) playing for the foul instead of trying to score directly.

[DonDadda59]

Players (mostly guards) playing for the foul instead of trying to score directly.

It's OK, you can just say James Harden. No one will judge you.

[outbreak]

Refs giving star players star treatment (not new but seems more obvious now with how soft the league is becoming with what is and isn't a foul in general) and players flopping/making a play for a foul not a basket (wade and harden are the biggest offenders, half their drives aren't looking for an and-1 they just want the foul.)

[Beastmode88]

Players (mostly guards) playing for the foul instead of trying to score directly.

Durant's rip through move is so disgusting I want to puke.

[Jasper]

Nobody can play defense because the league is scared that the 80's were to gangster.....

Big men have evolved into wimp 3 point chuckers

[Timmy D for MVP]

The length of timeouts. It's so crazy and it's stretching the games. If they want to look at making sure a game gets under a certain length they should make sure to enforec timeout lengths before they shorten the game.

[Mr. Jabbar]

easy, lebron and his fans

[Real14]

easy, lebron and his fans
Can't argue with this.

[Real14]

Durant's rip through move is so disgusting I want to puke.
That shit gets on my nerves too.

[tomtucker]

20+ intentional fouls at the end of games

[Dro]

20+ intentional fouls at the end of games
This definitely. Just let the game end already, its over....

[poido123]

Lack of trash talking and physicality

[KrizMiz]

no trash talking alowed, no taunting
and the worst stuff is this superstar treatment by the refs... annoying as fkuc

[JellyBean]

The lack of true competitive fire and the taking.

[smoovegittar]

I abhor it when refs become bigger than the game. It seems more and more the NBA is becoming like the WWF.

[Jailblazers7]

Honestly, it's tanking and I'm a Sixers fan. It seems like an unprecedented number of teams are accepting the strategy these days. So much so that I think it is limiting its theoretical effectiveness. Maybe it's just the fact that a lot of the major market teams are doing it (LAL, NYK, PHI). I think the Sixers kind of gave everyone else the balls to do it so brazenly.

[Smoke117]

What do I hate the most about todays game? The way you children moan and piss about it.

[diamenz]

the lack of bulges and ewing incidents.