Draymond Green massive flop, acts hurt, talks trash to Anderson

[J Shuttlesworth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Y7JzsAU78

Is this why he lost DPOY?

[buddha]

Harrison Barnes did the same thing in the first quarter to Anthony Davis.. shame the refs called that shit twice.

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Bran fan complaining about flopping in the NBA. The irony.

But I agree. This was rather shameless.

Rather it's the face of the league (Lebron) doing it, or the best team in the league doing it (Warriors), it should be formally and informally sanctioned.

Finally the stans like you are coming around to realize this.

[Rose'sACL]

Bran fan complaining about flopping in the NBA. The irony.

But I agree. This was rather shameless.

Rather it's the face of the league (Lebron) doing it, or the best team in the league doing it (Warriors), it should be formally and informally sanctioned.

Finally the stans like you are coming around to realize this.
where does OP complain about flopping?

[qrich]

Typical from a salty beta bitch.

[fiddy]

Lebron-esque

[UK2K]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Y7JzsAU78

Is this why he lost DPOY?
DPOY candidate?

Whatever happened to Rodman and Ben Wallace?

Wow.

[warriorfan]

Typical from a salty beta bitch.


the irony is thick :oldlol:

[swagga]

DPOY candidate?

Whatever happened to Rodman and Ben Wallace?

Wow.

flops per game advanced defense analytics happened :applause:

[chazzy]

Anderson got him with his left elbow. Reddit's tripping

[beastmode]

Anderson got him with his left elbow. Reddit's tripping

http://i.imgur.com/hk4hBJ5.gif

[Wiltside]

Anderson got him with his left elbow. Reddit's tripping

:biggums:

[34-24 Footwork]

Wow @ this nugga floppin against Anderson.

Dude should REALLY think about saving those up for his matchup against Z-Bo. Shit gonna be ugly for the self proclaimed defensive player of the year.

[beastmode]

the irony is thick :oldlol:

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[chazzy]

http://i.imgur.com/hk4hBJ5.gif
This begins immediately after contact so it looks like he's reacting to the right elbow

[Spaulding]

This begins immediately after contact so it looks like he's reacting to the right elbow
Its a flop plain and simple.

[Fudge]

We don't need another fat obnoxious black man in the league. That's Big Baby's shtick.

Somebody take this greasy, burnt hippo out.

[chazzy]

Its a flop plain and simple.
Look at the replay before the ultra slomo which shows the full motion. Left elbow connects

[Hittin_Shots]

Left elbow clearly rubs his face slightly, sold it immensely though

[bigkingsfan]

Green got a busted lip from that.

[ILLsmak]

This begins immediately after contact so it looks like he's reacting to the right elbow

seems like he caught him slightly, but someone needs to gif that after the elbow reaction face.

-Smak

[Rake2204]

http://i.imgur.com/hk4hBJ5.gifLike chazzy said, that gif begins immediately after the contact. The creation of that gif is about as shameless as Green's supposed reaction. And surely, Green's reaction may have been embellished but 1) It doesn't take a full-fledged elbow to the face to induce a reaction and 2) At least there actually was contact. He certainly sold it, but the contact actually existed.

My question, is whether Anderson has the right to that pivot space. I know he swings through a bit, but to a degree he should be entitled to work within his personal space, no?

[upside24]

http://i.imgur.com/hk4hBJ5.gif
Wow.:facepalm

[Rake2204]

Wow.:facepalmThe contact occurred with the left elbow... which conveniently happened right before that gif begins. Still an embellishment on Green's part, but that gif is awfully misleading.

A full look:

http://i.imgur.com/2GSVc72.gif

[imdaman99]

:lol That's the same shit Bosh did to Boozer in 2011 if I recall. Except Bosh reacts a second later. Someone post that gif

[Jailblazers7]

Like chazzy said, that gif begins immediately after the contact. The creation of that gif is about as shameless as Green's supposed reaction. And surely, Green's reaction may have been embellished but 1) It doesn't take a full-fledged elbow to the face to induce a reaction and 2) At least there actually was contact. He certainly sold it, but the contact actually existed.

My question, is whether Anderson has the right to that pivot space. I know he swings through a bit, but to a degree he should be entitled to work within his personal space, no?

I have no idea what they rules say but my personal philosophy has always been that if you stick your face in there then you should be prepared to get hit. Anything less than a blatant elbow is fair game to me but I'm sure the rules aren't eye-for-an-eye as what I'd like. :lol

I was think back to the '01 Finals when I see foul calls like this. Shaq was savaging Mutombo like 4-5 times per game with elbows without a whistle.

[imdaman99]

The contact occurred with the left elbow... which conveniently happened right before that gif begins. Still an embellishment on Green's part, but that gif is awfully misleading.

A full look:

I know you're a Pistons fan and probably liked Draymond since his Michigan State days (unless you're a Wolverines fan :oldlol: )... would you give him max to play for the Pistons? He's a helluva role player, like the opposite of Josh Smith...but he's no star.

[Rake2204]

I know you're a Pistons fan and probably liked Draymond since his Michigan State days (unless you're a Wolverines fan :oldlol: )... would you give him max to play for the Pistons? He's a helluva role player, like the opposite of Josh Smith...but he's no star.Not to be contrarian, but I watched him play high school ball in Saginaw and I wasn't sure he'd ever amount to anything, haha. He seemed a little heavy and not terribly athletic. Obviously, I've been proven wrong ever since (would have helped to account for his wingspan back then).

Still, the idea of paying him the max scares me a little bit. I know he's so much more than the numbers but... on a team like the Pistons right now, can they afford to pay max money to a guy who averaged 11 & 8 this past year? I just foresee him coming to Auburn Hills, playing his game (hitting trailing threes, playing great defense) but then the moment some losing hits, all we're going to say is, "Welp, you're paying a guy maximum contract money to average 13 points on 44% shooting so... what'd ya expect."

[edrick]

:lol That's the same shit Bosh did to Boozer in 2011 if I recall. Except Bosh reacts a second later. Someone post that gif

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3711/bosh.gif

[gts]

The contact occurred with the left elbow... which conveniently happened right before that gif begins. Still an embellishment on Green's part, but that gif is awfully misleading.

A full look:

http://i.imgur.com/2GSVc72.gifalmost looks like he hits him twice... once while straightening up and then the second with the left elbow.. definitely green sold it but there was some level of contact

[gts]

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3711/bosh.gif:roll: :roll: :roll:

[upside24]

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3711/bosh.gif
Classic.

[uber]

https://vine.co/v/ea9nXMmTbP5

what about this angle?

[hawksdogsbraves]

Draymond's mean mugging fake tough guy act really pisses me off. He's a really good player, but I can't stand the dude.

[imdaman99]

Not to be contrarian, but I watched him play high school ball in Saginaw and I wasn't sure he'd ever amount to anything, haha. He seemed a little heavy and not terribly athletic. Obviously, I've been proven wrong ever since (would have helped to account for his wingspan back then).

Still, the idea of paying him the max scares me a little bit. I know he's so much more than the numbers but... on a team like the Pistons right now, can they afford to pay max money to a guy who averaged 11 & 8 this past year? I just foresee him coming to Auburn Hills, playing his game (hitting trailing threes, playing great defense) but then the moment some losing hits, all we're going to say is, "Welp, you're paying a guy maximum contract money to average 13 points on 44% shooting so... what'd ya expect."
I agree, he is not a max guy but he is definitely a guy that would be a good 3rd-4th option. You can't justify maxing out a guy that's ceiling is a 15-9 guy. Max should only go to the potential stars. Draymond would get exposed as the #1 anywhere. He gets his great looks because Golden State has great ball movement and because teams would rather he be open than Curry and Thompson for 3s.

[bballnoob1192]

the DGreen one was an oversell since he did get the slightest amount of contact so you can consider it a flop, but there was contact. The bosh one was just hilarious.

[SugarHill]

We don't need another fat obnoxious black man in the league. That's Big Baby's shtick.

Somebody take this greasy, burnt hippo out.
:roll:

[sd3035]

He actually got hit. Also, his flopping needs more theatrics, he needs to learn from the master

http://notsportscenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/LeBronThroatFlop.gif

http://notsportscenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/LeBronRoseFlop.gif

[NustABut]

LeBron had one in game 3 when Smart reached in right after a rebound, even Breen called it out that they called the foul based on the reaction.

There was contact but it was minimal at best

[Solefade]

can people stop complaining about flopping already? it's gamesmanship, it's part of the game, everyone does it..just quit bitching about it already

[Inferno]

Dray needs to cool it a little. He's been getting way too arrogant and cocky :facepalm

[Crown&Coke]

Dray needs to cool it a little. He's been getting way too arrogant and cocky :facepalm

I think he uses it to hype himself up. I don't condone it, but in order to be a great player you need to believe you are the shit

[Marchesk]

I was think back to the '01 Finals when I see foul calls like this. Shaq was savaging Mutombo like 4-5 times per game with elbows without a whistle.

Right? Imagine if Mutombo started flopping. He was too proud for that. Now dudes flop all over the place.

[Marchesk]

The think I don't understand with flopping is does anyone actually fall like that in a pickup game when you actually get elbowed or run into?

Sure seems to convince the refs, though.

[zoom17]

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3711/bosh.gif

Never gets old:roll:

[upside24]

The contact occurred with the left elbow... which conveniently happened right before that gif begins. Still an embellishment on Green's part, but that gif is awfully misleading.

A full look:

http://i.imgur.com/2GSVc72.gif
Maybe he got him. That clip makes it look that way.

I don't know, he sold it well though.

[Jailblazers7]

General rule of thumb: If you see a guy scream as he goes down, then it's a flop.

[bluechox2]

im guessing the leagues not going to "see that" the same way the refs didnt "see" that 3 by gordon last night

[Thunderfan86]

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3711/bosh.gif
OMFG!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[sundizz]

I actually don't get why that is an offensive foul (regardless of whether he hits him or not). I was always taught that elbows up as part of your pivot is legit. Is this just a NBA thing that the defense gets the benefit here? Clearly, Green is way too close and the elbow wasn't malicious or intentional. It seems to go against the principle that you need to give the offense space (e.g., when they shoot a place to land). What is the technical way to do that without getting an offensive foul?

Edit: Have any of you ever been lightly hit with an elbow to the nose? It hurts like a mofo...im glad people embellish it.

[Rake2204]

I actually don't get why that is an offensive foul (regardless of whether he hits him or not). I was always taught that elbows up as part of your pivot is legit. Is this just a NBA thing that the defense gets the benefit here? Clearly, Green is way too close and the elbow wasn't malicious or intentional. It seems to go against the principle that you need to give the offense space (e.g., when they shoot a place to land). What is the technical way to do that without getting an offensive foul?

Edit: Have any of you ever been lightly hit with an elbow to the nose? It hurts like a mofo...im glad people embellish it.Yeah, I was trying to get to the bottom of that as well. It's hard to find something specific in the rule book regarding pivoting with a defender in your space but I'd always heard similar to you. Some of the closest things I could find:

1. When a player attempts to execute a legitimate offensive or defensive move and an extended elbow makes more than marginal contact with a legally established opponent, a personal foul will be assessed.

2. When a player attempts a move where there is not ample room but despite the obvious risk continues, and makes significant but not excessive contact with an extended elbow, a Flagrant Foul 1 will be assessed. This is also the case if the elbow is swung, apart from a basketball move, and makes significant but not excessive contact.

3. A player shall not be allowed excessive and/or vigorous swinging of the elbows in a swinging motion (no contact) when a defensive player is nearby and the offensive player has the ball.

I guess it could be argued that Anderson didn't have space to complete that pivot, but I'd always kind of operated under the assumption that a player has a right to naturally pivot.

[ILLsmak]

Yeah, I was trying to get to the bottom of that as well. It's hard to find something specific in the rule book regarding pivoting with a defender in your space but I'd always heard similar to you. Some of the closest things I could find:

1. When a player attempts to execute a legitimate offensive or defensive move and an extended elbow makes more than marginal contact with a legally established opponent, a personal foul will be assessed.

2. When a player attempts a move where there is not ample room but despite the obvious risk continues, and makes significant but not excessive contact with an extended elbow, a Flagrant Foul 1 will be assessed. This is also the case if the elbow is swung, apart from a basketball move, and makes significant but not excessive contact.

3. A player shall not be allowed excessive and/or vigorous swinging of the elbows in a swinging motion (no contact) when a defensive player is nearby and the offensive player has the ball.

I guess it could be argued that Anderson didn't have space to complete that pivot, but I'd always kind of operated under the assumption that a player has a right to naturally pivot.

That was a hard pivot. He almost swung his elbows. He did go into his space, I think. Basically the whole 'you can pivot and elbow someone' shit is over now. I think it's been over for years.

I remember Shaq and other Cs used to get away with it, but now if you elbow someone it's pretty much a foul if not a tech.

At least, that's what I've seen.

If you look at the rhythm of his body, the 'pivot' was more with his upper body then he brought his lower body. That makes me feel like he was aiming to elbow him.


-Smak

[sundizz]

Yeah, it's an odd rule. I'm not a big fan of people sticking their faces in that close - it's not a natural basketball play.

Similarly, I hate that rip through nonsense of Harden. It is the offensive version of this defensive face flop.

I think that push off CP3 does with his off arm damn near every play is more of an offensive foul than what Ryan did here (and I'm a Dubs fan).

[Rake2204]

That was a hard pivot. He almost swung his elbows. He did go into his space, I think. Basically the whole 'you can pivot and elbow someone' shit is over now. I think it's been over for years.

I remember Shaq and other Cs used to get away with it, but now if you elbow someone it's pretty much a foul if not a tech.

At least, that's what I've seen.

If you look at the rhythm of his body, the 'pivot' was more with his upper body then he brought his lower body. That makes me feel like he was aiming to elbow him.


-SmakYeah, I may be with you on that one. Looking in super slow motion, I thought it looked a little disjointed too (as in, the elbow swing being separate from a natural pivot).