Tim Duncan is top 5 alltime

[StephHamann]

http://i.imgur.com/hu6EuFl.png

Postseason scorer, who would have thought.

Wilt as always MIA

[Castor Troy]

the GOAT!

[Dr Hawk]

One of the best defenders of all-time:applause:

[T_L_P]

Duncan may not be in the top tier of scorers with Jordan, Kareem, Shaq etc, but he's taken over plenty of Playoff games offensively and if he really cared about his stats (like every other top ten great aside from Russell) he would have easily scored more (instead his sacrificed touches to let his younger teammates develop).

Duncan's legacy keeps climbing. Not because he's winning at such an old age, but because he's still one of the most effective players in the world.

[SugarHill]

damn where wilt?

[T_L_P]

Oh, and this pic perfectly represents what I mean when I say Jordan and Duncan are the top two in terms of importance to their franchise.

[SuperPippen]

Yea, at this point it's pretty much undeniable that he's top 5 all time. At least IMO. I'd rank him over Bird or Magic without hesitating.

[ClipperRevival]

I'm really warming up to the idea that he might rate higher than Bird and possibly even Magic. When you look at his body of work, especially his longevity and the fact that his teams competed for championships over his entire career is almost unparalleled. You can argue Magic also competed until he retired but who else? Not MJ. Not Jabbar. Not Wilt. Russell? Yes. But to me, his rings don't carry the same weight as the modern era. Let's face it, will any team ever win 11 rings in 13 seasons in the modern era? Heck, the most consecutive finals appearances a team made in the modern era is 4. Why? Because the level of competition is too strong. At some point, you peak as a team and start to decline and another team is better than you.

Duncan was DOMINANT on both ends. He improved his FT shooting. He really had not weakness outside of raw athleticism.

[IllegalD]

http://i.imgur.com/hu6EuFl.png

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things does not belong...


HINT: The one that hasn't been able to repeat/defend his championships. :lol

[IllegalD]

Oh, and this pic perfectly represents what I mean when I say Jordan and Duncan are the top two in terms of importance to their franchise.

So because Jordan and Duncan played for shit franchises that don't have multiple all-time greats that somehow elevates them? :confusedshrug:

If anything it's more impressive when you're the best All-Time player of a franchise that has 7 Top 15 All-Time players.... :cheers:

[TheMarkMadsen]

]Duncan may not be in the top tier of scorers with Jordan, Kareem, Shaq etc, but he's taken over plenty of Playoff games offensively and if he really cared about his stats (like every other top ten great aside from Russell) he would have easily scored more (instead his sacrificed touches to let his younger teammates develop).

Duncan's legacy keeps climbing. Not because he's winning at such an old age, but because he's still one of the most effective players in the world.

it would have killed him too much to type # 3's name so he just skipped over him :lol

anyways, if Kobe doesn't get hurt in 2013 he more than likely passes Kareem :cheers:

[julizaver]

Yea, at this point it's pretty much undeniable that he's top 5 all time. At least IMO. I'd rank him over Bird or Magic without hesitating.

Duncan ahead of Magic, Bird?

No way, if you have seen them play. And I am not hating on Duncan, I like the Big Fundamenatal and he deserved a lot of credit for what he did during his career, but it seems that he is very overrated here in ISH and to the expense of guys like Magic and Bird, who were the best in the league in their respective primes.

Just curious are you ranking Duncan ahead of Shaq, Jordan, Kareem ?

And which player you would choose to start a team - Hakeem or Duncan ?

[SuperPippen]

Duncan ahead of Magic, Bird?

No way, if you have seen them play. And I am not hating on Duncan, I like the Big Fundamenatal and he deserved a lot of credit for what he did during his career, but it seems that he is very overrated here in ISH and to the expense of guys like Magic and Bird, who were the best in the league in their respective primes.

Just curious are you ranking Duncan ahead of Shaq, Jordan, Kareem ?

And which player you would choose to start a team - Hakeem or Duncan ?

I don't see how it's such an outrageous claim to make. If anything I'd say that Magic and Bird (primarily Magic) are overrated by too many people. Duncan is a far superior two-way player, possesses superior longevity, and has quite possibly the GOAT intangibles.

He may not be quite the offensive masterminds that Magic and Bird were, but he was still great enough to be the crunch-time scorer for several championship teams.

Also, Duncan's greatest game >>> any game played by Magic or Bird. The man put up a quadruple double in the clinching game of a Finals.

You may disagree that he's greater than Magic or Bird, and that's fine, but acting like it's not even a debate is foolish, because it clearly is.

[Marchesk]

Playoff Games, PPG:

Kareem: 237, 24.3
Duncan: 236, 21.3
Kobe: 220, 25.6
Shaq: 216, 24.3
Jordan: 179, 33.4
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Some Others:

Bird: 164, 23.8
Wilt: 160, 22.5
West: 153, 29.1
Hakeem: 145, 25.9
Dr. J: 141, 21.9 (NBA)
Baylor: 134, 27.0

Helps to play a lot of playoff games. Look at Hakeem's average, it's higher than Kobe's.

[Alan Ogg]

also number 1 in blocks and 3 in rebounds

[Marchesk]

Hakeem's playoff averages:

25.9/11.2/3.2 with 1.7 steals and 3.3 blocks on 53%

Duncan:

21.3/11.7/3.1 with 0.7 steals and 2.3 blocks on 50.1%


What Duncan has going for him is a better organization. Hakeem got drafted into potentially great situation that went bad.

[LAZERUSS]

I don't see how it's such an outrageous claim to make. If anything I'd say that Magic and Bird (primarily Magic) are overrated by too many people. Duncan is a far superior two-way player, possesses superior longevity, and has quite possibly the GOAT intangibles.

He may not be quite the offensive masterminds that Magic and Bird were, but he was still great enough to be the crunch-time scorer for several championship teams.

Also, Duncan's greatest game >>> any game played by Magic or Bird. The man put up a quadruple double in the clinching game of a Finals.

You may disagree that he's greater than Magic or Bird, and that's fine, but acting like it's not even a debate is foolish, because it clearly is.

Magic's ROOKIE season. Clinching game six, on the road, and without Kareem. 42 points, on 14-23 FG/FGA and 14-14 FT/FTA, with 15 rebounds (5 more than anyone else in the game), and seven assists.

[AirFederer]

Duncan ahead of Magic, Bird?

No way, if you have seen them play. And I am not hating on Duncan, I like the Big Fundamenatal and he deserved a lot of credit for what he did during his career, but it seems that he is very overrated here in ISH and to the expense of guys like Magic and Bird, who were the best in the league in their respective primes.

Just curious are you ranking Duncan ahead of Shaq, Jordan, Kareem ?

And which player you would choose to start a team - Hakeem or Duncan ?
Duncan, easily.

[IllegalD]

Magic's ROOKIE season. Clinching game six, on the road, and without Kareem. 42 points, on 14-23 FG/FGA and 14-14 FT/FTA, with 15 rebounds (5 more than anyone else in the game), and seven assists.

What were Kareem's averages for that series....? :confusedshrug:

[BuffaloBill]

And which player you would choose to start a team - Hakeem or Duncan ?



Duncan every time

[IllegalD]

What were Kareem's averages for that series....? :confusedshrug:

Nevermind, found 'em!

Kareem 1980 Finals:

33 PPG, 14 REBs, 5 blocks, 3 assists on 55% FG and 81% FT

:eek:

Prime Shaq-like 'cept with GREAT FT shooting. :bowdown:

[DMAVS41]

Hakeem's playoff averages:

25.9/11.2/3.2 with 1.7 steals and 3.3 blocks on 53%

Duncan:

21.3/11.7/3.1 with 0.7 steals and 2.3 blocks on 50.1%


What Duncan has going for him is a better organization. Hakeem got drafted into potentially great situation that went bad.

In part for sure... The other part is that Duncan was/is a better defensive player. Also, can't ignore that if Hakeem had the kind of teams Duncan has had... His numbers would drop a bit... And vice versa for Duncan playing with more teams like Hakeem had

[LAZERUSS]

Nevermind, found 'em!

Kareem 1980 Finals:

33 PPG, 14 REBs, 5 blocks, 3 assists on 55% FG and 81% FT

:eek:

Prime Shaq-like 'cept with GREAT FT shooting. :bowdown:

Not relevant to the original point....that Magic never had a Finals clinching game as great as Duncan's.

Yes...he did.

BTW, had Kareem not played at all in the series,...who knows? maybe Magic AVERAGES 42-15-7 on a .609 FG% and a 1.000 FT% for the entire series.

[Da_Realist]

Also, Duncan's greatest game >>> any game played by Magic or Bird. The man put up a quadruple double in the clinching game of a Finals.

I don't agree. Bird has had too many ATG games to boldly make that statement. Magic set up his teammates so it's difficult to quantify his play in those terms. His game deserves to be weighed by a different evaluation.

I'm at the airport so I can't quantify what I am saying but check out the last 3 or 4 games against the Pistons in 87, the last game of the 86 Finals, a couple of games against the Knicks in 84, the heat game (game 5) of the 84 Finals and the duel against Dominique in 88. That's just off the top of my head.

I'm not saying they are better but they were good enough to not make that claim so boldly. His ATG games stand up to anyone that's ever played.

[T_L_P]

Hakeem's playoff averages:

25.9/11.2/3.2 with 1.7 steals and 3.3 blocks on 53%

Duncan:

21.3/11.7/3.1 with 0.7 steals and 2.3 blocks on 50.1%


What Duncan has going for him is a better organization. Hakeem got drafted into potentially great situation that went bad.

And that he wasn't a shitty gambler, a black hole on offense and a terrible leader who let players like Billy Paultz get into his head for half his career?

[IllegalD]

Not relevant to the original point....that Magic never had a Finals clinching game as great as Duncan's.

Yes...he did.

BTW, had Kareem not played at all in the series,...who knows? maybe Magic AVERAGES 42-15-7 on a .609 FG% and a 1.000 FT% for the entire series.

:roll:

Riiiiiiiiight. So rookie Magic is gonna' average the greatest Finals averages of all time PLUS win the series WITHOUT Kareem's 33, 14, and 5? :facepalm