If you think Stephen Curry takes bad shots...

[sundizz]

you clearly don't understand basketball.

Once you've accepted that indisputable fact I'd be willing to educate you.

[imdaman99]

He just might be the greatest shooter of all time, but that doesn't mean forced and rushed shots aren't bad shots. I understand basketball.

[ThickassGlasses]

He toes the line but you can see defenders respect him from where he shoots and when he shoots.

90% of the time his defender is on him just passed half court but given the any space, he'll take the shot. And if a "bad shooting game" means 39% on poor three point shots while sinking 7 of them... then shoot away.

[sundizz]

He just might be the greatest shooter of all time, but that doesn't mean forced and rushed shots aren't bad shots. I understand basketball.

He will miss a few shots here and there - it's hoops. It doesn't mean they are bad shots. Those are not bad shots, they are just part of the game. For someone with his skill, he pretty rarely takes "unmakeable" type shots. The only one he took was that three at the end (the first one off the inbounds play). For him, jumping that high and fading to his right is a pretty unmakeable shot (by his standards). He had no choice there though.

What makes a shot good (or bad) is predicated on 4 key areas (in order of importance):
1. The player's ability to make the shot at a high % and high volume. You don't stop shooting shots you normally make just because you missed a few in that particular game/quarter.
2. The ability of other players on the team to create their own reasonably high % shot.
3. Having rebounders in place.
4. The offensive system that is run.

[ThickassGlasses]

He will miss a few shots here and there - it's hoops. It doesn't mean they are bad shots. Those are not bad shots, they are just part of the game. For someone with his skill, he pretty rarely takes "unmakeable" type shots. The only one he took was that three at the end (the first one off the inbounds play). For him, jumping that high and fading to his right is a pretty unmakeable shot (by his standards). He had no choice there though.

What makes a shot good (or bad) is predicated on 4 key areas (in order of importance):
1. The player's ability to make the shot at a high % and high volume. You don't stop shooting shots you normally make just because you missed a few in that particular game/quarter.
2. The ability of other players on the team to create their own reasonably high % shot.
3. Having rebounders in place.
4. The offensive system that is run.

Key point that I think is overlooked on Curry's "rushed" pull-ups. Someone is almost always at the rim or on their way to the rim and the team can scrap for a board. It's like just throwing the puck at the goalie in hockey looking for the put-back.

[imdaman99]

He will miss a few shots here and there - it's hoops. It doesn't mean they are bad shots. Those are not bad shots, they are just part of the game. For someone with his skill, he pretty rarely takes "unmakeable" type shots. The only one he took was that three at the end (the first one off the inbounds play). For him, jumping that high and fading to his right is a pretty unmakeable shot (by his standards). He had no choice there though.

What makes a shot good (or bad) is predicated on 4 key areas (in order of importance):
1. The player's ability to make the shot at a high % and high volume. You don't stop shooting shots you normally make just because you missed a few in that particular game/quarter.
2. The ability of other players on the team to create their own reasonably high % shot.
3. Having rebounders in place.
4. The offensive system that is run.
He got away with the launching the bad shots last night because the Warriors have good coaching and big men that kept crashing the boards to get to those offensive rebounds. It's true though that the picks they set for him and his willingness to shoot from anywhere make the defense scramble and it hurts their rebounding, so the Warriors have NO PROBLEM with him taking those shots :cheers:

[swagga]

you clearly don't understand basketball.

Once you've accepted that indisputable fact I'd be willing to educate you.

this is absolutely comically bad.

if you think steph curry takes good shots you might want to actually play the game instead of looking at it like pure analytics. Curry is shooting 35% on 14 attempts ffs and they had some close games with a 8 seed pelicans that is badly coached.

[Fudge]

Dude is a chucker. Plain and simple.

A skinny, gap toothed, weak, frail, lightskin chucker.

[Solefade]

just because he's good at making bad shots, doesn't mean they're not bad shots...lol

[Wiltside]

Dude is a chucker. Plain and simple.

A skinny, gap toothed, weak, frail, lightskin chucker.

Aren't you a fan of this guy:

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/betHQLTJpGGLeOLnuguLEA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7aWw9cGxhbmU7cT03NTt3PTYwMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/person/Ysports/russell-westbrook-basketball-headshot-photo.jpg

[Fudge]

Skinny, weak, frail

:facepalm

[Budadiiii]

At least Russ looks like he's over the age of 14. :lol

Stephen is an underdeveloped child. You ever read the book "Skinny Bones"?

Fantastic book.

[sundizz]

this is absolutely comically bad.

if you think steph curry takes good shots you might want to actually play the game instead of looking at it like pure analytics. Curry is shooting 35% on 14 attempts ffs and they had some close games with a 8 seed pelicans that is badly coached.

This is probably coming from someone that can't dribble with their left, or thinks a behind the back pass is "too flashy" because they can't do it themselves.

If you look at it just by percentages then you really truly don't understand basketball. Also, let's just disregard that post All-Star game he shot 50% fg, 52% tres, 95% ft's on very high volume.

You want him to change up what he does because he missed a few shots? Also, if you actually watch how the Dubs play...him making ONE trey is worth so much more than three points to them. It completely ignites their game because they know how hot he can get. They start pushing it up, attacking the glass, etc. One shot from him is all they need for the other players to believe a comeback is possible.

The only stupid thing he did last night was actually NOT attacking more. The Pelicans often switched on p and r's and he settled for passing it. If he gets Ryan Anderson on him he should be getting all the way to the cup everytime. He tried to play "swing it around" offense instead and it led to nonsense like Iggy shooting up 3 to 4 long j's or treys against a closing out Brow.

[iznogood]

Even Gentry and Kerr are shaking their heads at some of the shots he takes. I think this should end the debate.

[Bobcats2013]

Curry like Kobe in his prime took bad shots but made them anyway.

Honestly at this point I would rather Curry take a shot in transition or a contested shot than a wide open three. Wide open threes are when his %s really show up since he misses them quite often.

[Achilleas]

i watch many gsw games of regular season,and curry didn't try to take many shots,sometimes he shot only 9-11 shots and didn't overdrible,in the first 2 games of playoffs that i saw he took some bad shots and overdrible i think he was trying to me more fancy for the mvp .i hope when the award is over in the next round he will play smart as he was playing in the regular season,

[SourSamCassell]

He plays in a babied era where guys like James Harden (Corey Maggette with a shot) is an MVP caliber player. Back in the physical, cut-throat 80s and 90s, thats when the greatest players of all time played. No holds barred, last man standing, slug fests. You needed heart to win, not just talent.

[sundizz]

Even Gentry and Kerr are shaking their heads at some of the shots he takes. I think this should end the debate.

No, they are shaking their heads at how shitty the offensive sequence is going - not the shot he ends up taking. His other option is to give it to a player that can't create to take a significantly worse shot. Not a single other Warrior can really self create off the dribble going solo. Klay can do it if he catches it moving/etc, but not if you just isolate him and let him go. He couldn't even get past E.Gordo one on one.

Edit: Barbosa can create for himself. They should play him more often/more minutes.

[theaussieguy]

lol so Curry has one game where he shoots badly (despite getting the critical important shots, in a game where the pelicans should of won anyway) and people sh!t the bed. Yet Westbrook shoots at this efficiency every single game and people be dangling on his balls because of it.

Stupid ****ing ish

[ThickassGlasses]

No, they are shaking their heads at how shitty the offensive sequence is going - not the shot he ends up taking. His other option is to give it to a player that can't create to take a significantly worse shot. Not a single other Warrior can really self create off the dribble going solo. Klay can do it if he catches it moving/etc, but not if you just isolate him and let him go. He couldn't even get past E.Gordo one on one.

Edit: Barbosa can create for himself. They should play him more often/more minutes.

Barbosa will just go miss a lay-up though. I much prefer Livingston to Barbosa.


Iggy still can create for others, not so much himself anymore though.


Then that's it, everyone else needs the ball moved to them in a position to score.

[iznogood]

They are clearly shaking heads at some of the shots he takes.

[bballnoob1192]

i watch many gsw games of regular season,and curry didn't try to take many shots,sometimes he shot only 9-11 shots and didn't overdrible,in the first 2 games of playoffs that i saw he took some bad shots and overdrible i think he was trying to me more fancy for the mvp .i hope when the award is over in the next round he will play smart as he was playing in the regular season,
i'm pretty sure the media voted for the mvp before the playoffs start. they just dont release the decision/winner until the second round.

[Wiltside]

Skinny, weak, frail

:facepalm

That makes it more impressive how good he is.

[clipps]

One thing I understand while being a jumpshooter myself is that the other reason why you want the optimum back spin and arc is so if you do miss, the ball doesn't bounce wildly off the rim which can lead to an easy basket on the other end. You want the ball to stay around the rim if you miss so it's easier to get back on defense if you can't grab that offensive rebound. When Curry misses, he keeps it around the rim unlike a shot that Matt Barnes bricked that resulted in a wild miss that resulted into a cherry picking Patty Mills easy layup.

[Eric Cartman]

Even Gentry and Kerr are shaking their heads at some of the shots he takes. I think this should end the debate.

Normally yes, but you are underestimating OP's stupidity.

[Eric Cartman]

At least Russ looks like he's over the age of 14. :lol

Stephen is an underdeveloped child. You ever read the book "Skinny Bones"?

Fantastic book.

http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1173462735l/292409.jpg

[QUOTE=Some bitch]Alex Frankovitch is a skinny little sixth grade boy who is lacking in athletic ability but has no shortage of jokes. He worries about being so tiny, hates that he always has to wear a size

[warriorfan]

Sounds like Budaddi's autobiography

[Eric Cartman]

Sounds like Budaddi's autobiography

:roll:

[nashwade]

it only matters when he makes them when it matters

says Shaq

[Stephen Curry]

agreed

[Prime_Shaq]

GOAT shooter but many of his shots the last game were bad shots, no way around that.

[dreamwarrior]

As a PG he should know better than to take such bad shots. He'd have way more assists if he'd passed the ball instead. The game wouldn't have even been that close...

[swagga]

This is probably coming from someone that can't dribble with their left, or thinks a behind the back pass is "too flashy" because they can't do it themselves.
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too flashy :roll: I grew up with magic johnson and MJ you little fagggot.



If you look at it just by percentages then you really truly don't understand basketball. Also, let's just disregard that post All-Star game he shot 50% fg, 52% tres, 95% ft's on very high volume.
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I'm looking at it as bad offense and bad teamplay. There is no reason for a single player to average 14 3s a game. The entire league is tacitly acknowledging this by continuing its transition from the post MJ era of ISOs to the passing non-chucking game.

The last 15 champions (SA, MIA, MIA, MAV ,LA,LA, BOS, SAS, MIA, SAS, DET, SAS, LA, LA, LA) rarely had dominant chuckers, the key players were (lebron, old wade, bosh, old duncan, leonard, tony, manu, parker, dirk, kidd, chandler, kobe, gasol, odom, bynum, kg, pierce,allen, rondo, old shaq, prime wade, prime duncan, horry, sheed, billups, big ben, hamilton, prime shaq) . As you can see in bold, the only occurances in the last 15 years, where a player shot alot, that player was either lebron, kobe, prime wade, prime duncan , prime shaq. Can you compare curry to these guys? :lol

Only kobe really chucked like nuts and gasol/odom/bynum boarded that shit to hide the negative chucking effects. He also lost one in 2004 because of chucking while shaq was destroying people, as always. Wade also chucked a lot but had the best finals series ever (+ favorable refs :lol) and he also had great bigs (shaq, zo) to clean up the glass. Duncan had a subpar shooting finals in 2005 but there weren't many other options and he rebounded a lot of that himself.

15 years of championship play say chucking isn't efficient.



You want him to change up what he does because he missed a few shots? Also, if you actually watch how the Dubs play...him making ONE trey is worth so much more than three points to them. It completely ignites their game because they know how hot he can get. They start pushing it up, attacking the glass, etc. One shot from him is all they need for the other players to believe a comeback is possible.
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that's exactly the problem you dumb fck. A championship-level offense isn't based on hype, it's based on sustainability. Pass-and-move spurs, heat-spacing, LA size, etc. Hype chucking goes in the RS against tired teams, light gameplanning and bottom dwellers. In the PO all teams gameplan, don't you think Pop, Joerger or Blatt would gameplan for this? How do you think the pelicans almost won game 3 with that sorry team of theirs?

Do GS players need to get ignited in the PO? Does golden state need curry shooting so much ? with a team like GS there is no reason to need to believe in a comeback against the fcking pelicans.... they got in that bad position by currys chucking, they should be absolutely destroying the pelicans, instead they had some close games.



The only stupid thing he did last night was actually NOT attacking more. The Pelicans often switched on p and r's and he settled for passing it. If he gets Ryan Anderson on him he should be getting all the way to the cup everytime. He tried to play "swing it around" offense instead and it led to nonsense like Iggy shooting up 3 to 4 long j's or treys against a closing out Brow.
he didn't attack more on mismatches because the pelicans shadowed him, leaving people open, so swinging the ball was actually a good tactic instead of chucking or attacking. If he had attacked the rim more the Pelicans had davis/asik with excellent/good help defense and he'd run into a dead man zone where he'd probably TO the ball against the best fastbreak big in the game .. or shoot the ball over a 7fter.


Chucking has never been something positive, just glorified after MJ. It seems to work when teams have size that rebound, but that is unsustainable and thus inefficient. These teams win because of size, not because of chucking. Funnily enough it is a bad psychological tactic because of the large swings it produces. Statistically speaking high variation in sports produces more Ls than Ws in the long run, but I'm probably wasting my breath here ...

TLDR : Son, i've been watching ball before your ass was even born, through various players, eras, tactics and rules. Stick to watching espn and heroball.

[Inferno]

Sounds like Budaddi's autobiography

:lol