Ben Wallace or Deandre Jordan?

[UK2K]

And ... Go

[SourSamCassell]

Michael Jordan

[SouBeachTalents]

Wallace

[ThickassGlasses]

Big Ben was a better defender, specifically on ball. He didn't get the luxury of CP3 setting him up for easy buckets but I still think Jordan might be more athletic and a slightly better offensive ( :oldlol: ) option.


End of the day, I'd take Wallace though.

[KrizMiz]

Big Ben was a better defender, specifically on ball. He didn't get the luxury of CP3 setting him up for easy buckets but I still think Jordan might be more athletic and a slightly better offensive ( :oldlol: ) option.


End of the day, I'd take Wallace though.

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[Rake2204]

Detroit bias says Wallace.

They both fit well within their own teams. Though, I'm not sure Jordan ever carried the importance to his team that Wallace did in the early 2000's. At the start, two years before the Pistons won an NBA championship, Ben Wallace was the man. No Rip, no Chauncey, no Sheed, no Tayshaun. The true beginning of that Pistons near-dynasty was Ben Wallace and his incredible imprint he left on the game. He almost single-handily turned that franchise around (along with Joe Dumars, believe it or not).

I think a lot of people remember Wallace from 2004 on forward, when he was still very good. But the peak of his powers may have been in '02. 13.0 rpg, 3.5 bpg, 1.7 spg. Above the stats, he was outstanding in most facets of defense (I've often mentioned his textbook screen hedging abilities).

Jordan is huge, does awesome things, and provides so much for Los Angeles, but Wallace was the heart and soul of a city's basketball revival and at one point, was just as disruptive in the paint as DeAndre, if not more so. He was a defensive mega star (97% of the Defensive Player of the Year vote in 2002).

Ben Wallace - 19 points, 20 rebounds, 3 steals and 3 blocks in his first career playoff game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtdvxivcyWU

[Genaro]

Big Ben easily. Much higher defensive impact. Jordan is better in the offensive end but he is not good enough to change the answer.

[iznogood]

I feel like Wallace was better on both ends on the floor. Also a much better 1:1 defender with amazing hands. DJ might be a higher leaper, but I'm pretty sure Wallace had quicker feet and reacted faster.

[Lensanity]

Big Ben was a better defender but I think Jordan may have more of a defensive impact as far as scaring people out of the paint. His presence is greater IMO. Offensively, I'd probably go with DJ as well because there are very very few players in the history of the NBA that are as good at catching and finishing lobs. Long freak athlete.

Can't go wrong either way though.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Big Ben

[scm5]

I feel like Wallace was better on both ends on the floor. Also a much better 1:1 defender with amazing hands. DJ might be a higher leaper, but I'm pretty sure Wallace had quicker feet and reacted faster.

What?

[QuebecBaller]

You never saw Big Ben play, am I right?

[Wiltside]

I feel like Wallace was better on both ends on the floor. Also a much better 1:1 defender with amazing hands. DJ might be a higher leaper, but I'm pretty sure Wallace had quicker feet and reacted faster.

I think DeAndre is the bigger offensive threat, but I take Wallace for his D.

[T_L_P]

Ben Wallace is a top 5 defensive player ever; Jordan is barely a top 10 defensive player today.

In fact, DJ impacts the game more on the offensive end than he does the defensive end.

And the answer is Ben.

[Fiasco]

I think DeAndre is the bigger offensive threat, but I take Wallace for his D.

This is the right answer.

[iznogood]

What?
Wallace could at least put the ball on the floor and shoot a jump hook, can DJ make anything outside of a lob?

[clipps]

Big Ben and I'm a huge DJ fan.

[lilandywiggins]

I like DeAndre's size, but you can't go wrong either way.

[Killbot]

I pick the Clock

[scm5]

Ben Wallace was an all time great defensively and anchored one of the greatest defenses we've ever seen.

Deandre Jordan has potential, but he's nowhere near him defensively right now. As far as offense, Ben Wallace was nowhere near the finisher DJ is, but that's all DJ is, a finisher. I'll take the edge in Ben Wallace anchoring the defense over Deandre Jordan's more efficient offensive game.

[scm5]

Wallace could at least put the ball on the floor and shoot a jump hook, can DJ make anything outside of a lob?

That's like saying you would choose JR Smith offensively over Kyle Korver because JR can put the ball on the floor while Kyle Korver is mostly catch and shoot.

Offensively, Ben Wallace and DJ are role players and DJ plays that role very ****ing well. He just finished a season scoring 11.5ppg on 71% FG.... let that sink in. 71%. Ben Wallace has never finished a season with double digit scoring and his career FG% is 47%.

Don't get me wrong, I would choose Wallace over DJ all day, but offensively they're not comparable.

[UK2K]

I think DeAndre is the bigger offensive threat, but I take Wallace for his D.
I think Deandre has to be accounted for on offense just like any other player.

You have to keep a body on him or he can score 20.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

DJ is probably a little more of a threat offensively because he's so tall and so athletic. Just throw the ball near the rim and he'll jump higher than everyone. Should be of note that I'd say they are about equal offensive rebounds and Ben was actually a pretty talented passer. A threat, even, especially after offensive boards. Since people are focusing so much on scoring as the only way you can contribute as an offensive player. He's also one of the best screeners I've ever seen. Not that DJ is lacking in that area, but he's not on Ben's level there.

[Beastmode88]

Big ben easily.

[bigkingsfan]

Ben Wallace played on a great defensive squad though, his career was in the toilet once he left Detroit. He also didn't have have a single offensive skill.

[aj1987]

:wtf:

Ben by a country mile and then some more. Dude is probably a top 3 GOAT defender.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Is this seriously being asked..

Wallace easily

[MJistheGOAT]

Big Ben because he was a much better defender, specially on ball and anchoring the defense. In offense his value is rebounding, screening and passing. Scoring, well, we all know he was awful.

Offensively it

[Angel Face]

Easy, Big Ben.

[Thunderfan86]

I like DeAndre's size, but you can't go wrong either way.
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[nba_55]

Wallace could at least put the ball on the floor and shoot a jump hook, can DJ make anything outside of a lob?
Really?

Stop lying. Wallace sucked on offense, was one of the worst in the league.

[Thunderfan86]

Really?

Stop lying. Wallace sucked on offense, was one of the worst in the league.
Yeah, nikka didn't want no parts of the ball on the offensive end. Much like Dennis Rodman

[sundizz]

Ben Wallace is a much better player than DJ. It's not even close. Ben had a generational level of impact on defense.

Compared to their peers:

Ben
10+/10 on defense
1/10 on offense

DJ
7/10 on defense
3/10 on offense

Those numbers make it seem closer than it is...+3 in defense at the high end of the rankings would be the equivalent of going from Steph Curry to Damian Lillard.

[UK2K]

Wallace could at least put the ball on the floor and shoot a jump hook, can DJ make anything outside of a lob?

In 2003-04, Ben Wallace's second all-star season...

42% FG
49% FT
61% of his shots came from within 3 feet.
Outside of 3 feet, he shot 24%.

So no, Wallace was a complete liability on offense. Other than setting a screen, he had no business ever touching the ball on that end.

[BigNBAfan]

is this a joke?

[jbryan1984]

Still too early in Jordan's career to compare. If his career ended today, I say Big Ben. We will see in another 4 years or so.

[Rake2204]

Ben Wallace played on a great defensive squad though, his career was in the toilet once he left Detroit.I actually think that's a little bit of a fallacy. Wallace's career is unique in that he didn't really get his opportunity and arrive on the scene until 2002, at which point he was already 27 or 28 years old. And at that point, he was playing alongside Chucky Atkins, Jerry Stackhouse, Michael Curry, and an aging Clifford Robinson. Robinson and Curry were wily defensively, but not outstanding.

2002 was a great defensive squad because of Ben Wallace. And in all honesty, I believe the subsequent teams established themselves on that front mostly thanks to Wallace. No one mistook Chauncey Billups and Richard Hamilton for good defenders before they arrived in Detroit. However, they were able to rise to the challenge after what Wallace had already established before they showed up.

And in terms of Wallace's career going in the toilet after leaving Detroit, it's common to make the assumption that things went down hill because of the change in scenery. However, again, by the time he left for Chicago he was 32 years old, though according to how long he'd been in the limelight, it seemed as though he should have been no more than 27.

In truth, he was already on the back side of his prime before he left Detroit, he just continued the downward trend as he moved on. His Basketball Reference page contains one of the most steady and sensible ascents and declines in NBA history. Starts from the bottom, slowly gains, peaks, slowly descends, bottoms out by the time he's knocking on 40 years old.

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g423/Rake2204/Ben%20Wallace%20Stat.jpg

Ben Wallace wasn't good because the team was good at defense. The team was good at defense because of Ben Wallace.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Ben Wallace is arguably the GOAT defender.

[Bigsmoke]

The one with the championship.


Ben Wallace was an annual All Star just based off his defense and rebounding.

[iznogood]

That's like saying you would choose JR Smith offensively over Kyle Korver because JR can put the ball on the floor while Kyle Korver is mostly catch and shoot.

Offensively, Ben Wallace and DJ are role players and DJ plays that role very ****ing well. He just finished a season scoring 11.5ppg on 71% FG.... let that sink in. 71%. Ben Wallace has never finished a season with double digit scoring and his career FG% is 47%.

Don't get me wrong, I would choose Wallace over DJ all day, but offensively they're not comparable.
That's a good argument, I guess I was wrong.

[iamgine]

Ben Wallace was a complete liability on offense. Like, Kendrick Perkins level except Perkins is better at the FT line. However he was a boss level final monster on defense. I can see DJ having more impact on a certain kind of team while Big Ben on another kind of team. I don't think the current Clips is the best constructed team for DJ while the mid-00 Detroit was the ideal team for Big Ben.

[ZMonkey11]

Ben Wallace was a complete liability on offense. Like, Kendrick Perkins level except Perkins is better at the FT line. However he was a boss level final monster on defense. I can see DJ having more impact on a certain kind of team while Big Ben on another kind of team. I don't think the current Clips is the best constructed team for DJ while the mid-00 Detroit was the ideal team for Big Ben.


Real quick thought, is offensive rebounding considered an offensive skill? Cause Ben Wallace was pretty good with that, setting picks, and finishing at the basket.

[HurricaneKid]

Ben Wallace is a top 5 defensive player ever; Jordan is barely a top 10 defensive player today.

In fact, DJ impacts the game more on the offensive end than he does the defensive end.

And the answer is Ben.

Wow, this is almost perfect.

[HurricaneKid]

In 2003-04, Ben Wallace's second all-star season...

42% FG
49% FT
61% of his shots came from within 3 feet.
Outside of 3 feet, he shot 24%.

So no, Wallace was a complete liability on offense. Other than setting a screen, he had no business ever touching the ball on that end.

And DJ hasn't hit a shot from 6 feet+ out in 2 years.