How long should JR Smith be suspended?

[Beastmode88]

JR trying to KO thabo sefoloshoa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWE0-hQi4Qc
JR elbowing Jason Terry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W7wxjCKeME
JR trying to fight with Jerryd Bayless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvAiALiKCCM
JR smacking Glen Rice Jr in the nuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koDQe6JdWCg
JR trying to turn Goran Dragic into a paraplegic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpgXMHMp5nI
JR trying to fight lance stephenson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpEMlK9jIiQ
JR trying to lay the pipe on Raja Bell thanks gaotrang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXr9RZwkEtk
JR going HAM in the CBA as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biw2a7Y4vf0

Saw this on reddit and damn his history is just ridiculous. And let's not forget the shoe lace shit.

[BigNBAfan]

lebrons team bro
1 game

[Nanners]

He should be suspended until Jae Crowders knee is fully healthy.

[Mass Debator]

Deron Williams showing some fire :eek: :party:

To answer the question, 5 games.

[edrick]

3-5 games, imo.

If JR didn't close his fist it could have been argued that he thought the defender was right behind him and he was trying to clear out, but no, the dumb ass had to close his fist.

[Solefade]

i expect 3-5 games probably..

[iamgine]

JR trying to KO thabo sefoloshoa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWE0-hQi4Qc
JR elbowing Jason Terry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W7wxjCKeME
JR trying to fight with Jerryd Bayless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvAiALiKCCM
JR smacking Glen Rice Jr in the nuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koDQe6JdWCg
JR trying to turn Goran Dragic into a paraplegic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpgXMHMp5nI
JR trying to fight lance stephenson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpEMlK9jIiQ
JR trying to lay the pipe on Raja Bell thanks gaotrang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXr9RZwkEtk
JR going HAM in the CBA as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biw2a7Y4vf0

Saw this on reddit and damn his history is just ridiculous. And let's not forget the shoe lace shit.
The CBA one looks legit. It's a good effort play.

[Droid101]

Same as whatever Artest got for the Harden elbow. It was 7 games.

But as stated above, LeBron team, so he'll get a fine or something instead.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He should be suspended until Jae Crowders knee is fully healthy.
The problem with that is that the Celtics could wait until the start of training camp to declare him healthy. The season is over and there will be no rush whatsoever to bring Crowder back even though all he may have is a bruise or hyperextension. A huge penalty wouldn't be the worst thing but the punishment shouldn't be that arbitrary. I believe (not sure here) the standard of 3 games for a punch from a first-time offender has been established. This is his second time so maybe extend that to five. But it's not like that was a real fight, he didn't jump on him when he was knocked down or anything truly vicious. It was a step beyond the physical play we normally see in the playoffs where Smith lost it for a split second. Does he deserve to be completely taken out of the playoffs for that?

[niko]

2-3 games. I don't see precident for more. BTW, is JR still so different on the Cavs or is he still the same bonehead on my team for a few yearse?

[pegasus]

5-7 games, but he'll probably get 1-2 'cause otherwise Lebron would cry.:lebroncry: I'm sure he's already made a bunch of calls to pull some strings.

[BarberSchool]

Same as whatever Artest got for the Harden elbow. It was 7 games. Agreed.

[Cocaine80s]

I expect 1 game. 2 at most

[MiseryCityTexas]

They should bring him back immediately. Cavs need all the help they can get because they ain't winning no championship any damned way.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

3 games should be enough imo.

[imdaman99]

Same ole JR. He was a piece of shit on Denver, he was a piece of shit on the Knicks, and now he is a piece of shit on the Cavs. Shump >>>>>>> JR easily. JR routinely turns into a 30% shooter in the playoffs, pretty sure it happened every year in the playoffs. Shump was the 2nd best player for the Knicks in the 2013 playoffs after Melo. JR was about the 5th best, even though he was the 2nd option. This guy does not handle success too well, he's gonna be suspended but watch him tweet about partying it up somewhere (lol if Cleveland has any spots).

TL;DR Shump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JR

[BarberSchool]

JR trying to KO thabo sefoloshoa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWE0-hQi4Qc
JR elbowing Jason Terry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W7wxjCKeME
JR trying to fight with Jerryd Bayless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvAiALiKCCM
JR smacking Glen Rice Jr in the nuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koDQe6JdWCg
JR trying to turn Goran Dragic into a paraplegic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpgXMHMp5nI
JR trying to fight lance stephenson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpEMlK9jIiQ
JR trying to lay the pipe on Raja Bell thanks gaotrang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXr9RZwkEtk
JR going HAM in the CBA as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biw2a7Y4vf0

Saw this on reddit and damn his history is just ridiculous. And let's not forget the shoe lace shit.Dude's character is even lower than I thought. I heard both is parents were lawyers and he grew up in a large home in a predominantly jewish neighborhood in north Jersey (lakewood).....how did educated parents produce this piece of sh!t ?

[HurricaneKid]

1 game is automatic for a F2.

You guys are delirious. The officials let this game get way out of hand and are probably responsible for a fair amount of the conflict. Knowing that Boston's play already led to the loss of Love and probably the Championship aspirations of the team its going to be minimal; likely in the range of 1-2 games.

And saying it is the same as Artest's elbow is obscenely dumb.

[ImKobe]

1 game is automatic for a F2.

You guys are delirious. The officials let this game get way out of hand and are probably responsible for a fair amount of the conflict. Knowing that Boston's play already led to the loss of Love and probably the Championship aspirations of the team its going to be minimal; likely in the range of 1-2 games.

And saying it is the same as Artest's elbow is obscenely dumb.

How come?

[Wiltside]

1 game is automatic for a F2.



Only if they didn't get ejected in the game. You can get an F2, which kicks you out of the game, and be back by the next one.

This does not appear to be one of those situations though.

[kamil]

I wouldn't be surprised if its NO suspension at all.... you know, LeBrons* team and all.

[HurricaneKid]

How come?

Because Artest was looking at Harden when he did it and aimed for his head and struck him far harder.

JR is a bonehead but he got hit with >1000 pounds of pressure in his back by a dirty player and swung wildly behind him.

So intent isn't there, origination isn't there, and the results are significantly less as Harden had a nasty concussion and missed more time than Artest.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

1 game is automatic for a F2.

You guys are delirious. The officials let this game get way out of hand and are probably responsible for a fair amount of the conflict. Knowing that Boston's play already led to the loss of Love and probably the Championship aspirations of the team its going to be minimal; likely in the range of 1-2 games.

And saying it is the same as Artest's elbow is obscenely dumb.

Repeat offender, though. They'll send a message imo

[TheGreatDeraj]

This was an incredibly dangerous play from J.R. Smith. I would recommended a 10 game suspension, however I think the NBA will settle for 5.

Jr Smith essentially threw a suckerpunch on Crowder which rendered him momentarily dazed, if he wasn't briefly unconscious. This also caused Crowder's head to smack into the court and twist his knee in a very dangerous position with his body collapsing on it.

This isn't the first time JR Smith has been involved in throwing strikes at other players either. And this one was something you'd see at a UFC fight or during a World Star street fight video.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Crowder got a sprained ACL too. That'll factor in imo

[Real Men Wear Green]

And saying it is the same as Artest's elbow is obscenely dumb.
They were both no-look blows to the head. What makes Artest's situation different is that this is Smith's second such incident whereas Artest has a rap sheet. So maybe it shouldn't be as long as Artest's if the NBA was factoring in Artest's long history.

[Nanners]

They were both no-look blows to the head. What makes Artest's situation different is that this is Smith's second such incident whereas Artest has a rap sheet. So maybe it shouldn't be as long as Artest's if the NBA was factoring in Artest's long history.

what??? did you not see the OP?


JR trying to KO thabo sefoloshoa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWE0-hQi4Qc
JR elbowing Jason Terry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W7wxjCKeME
JR trying to fight with Jerryd Bayless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvAiALiKCCM
JR smacking Glen Rice Jr in the nuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koDQe6JdWCg
JR trying to turn Goran Dragic into a paraplegic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpgXMHMp5nI
JR trying to fight lance stephenson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpEMlK9jIiQ
JR trying to lay the pipe on Raja Bell thanks gaotrang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXr9RZwkEtk



smith has a huge rap sheet

[Hulk]

3 games

[retaxis]

Artest was going straight to the head. JR wasn't even looking where he was hitting. He got shoved in the back a few times and he swung wildly behind him without looking. He might have caught a shoulder but Crowder was low shoving so he caught it in the jaw. Calling it a sucker punch is out of line because JR didn't even know what he was swinging at

[Mr. Jabbar]

Same as whatever Artest got for the Harden elbow. It was 7 games.

But as stated above, LeBron team, so he'll get a fine or something instead.

this

[Derka]

JR is probably one of my least favorite pro basketball players ever.

That being said...even with his history of doing this kind of stuff? Anything more than 3 games is overkill.

I'd think I'd much rather see someone bury an elbow in his temple, but that's just me.

[greymatter]

1-2 games.

It was literally blind luck that that swing connected where it did. The league will rule it a heat of the moment retaliation swing for Crowder getting in some cheap shots with no foul called.

If that retaliation swing was by anyone else without a reputation under the exact same circumstances, then it would only be 1 game. The fact that it was Smith getting in trouble again hurts his case. However, the fact that the refs were stupid enough to allow Boston to escalate the physical play like it's a given that any 1st round playoff fodder team that's down 0-3 has a right to "play for pride" as though that's a license to "play dirtier physically" should be taken into consideration as a mitigating circumstance. They (the refs) knew the Cavs were furious after Love went down. After Perk went in and floored Crowder, that should have been the signal to the refs that they should have been whistle happy the rest of the game to prevent shit from getting out of hand. If I were Adam Silver, I wouldn't let any of those refs ref another game for these playoffs.

[Droid101]

Because Artest was looking at Harden when he did it and aimed for his head and struck him far harder.

Doesn't seem like he was looking at him.

http://mykickgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/tumblr_m2wgrsx2ad1r7q0vjo1_500.gif

Actually, they're both extremely similar. Both of them "feel" the player behind them and swing high on purpose.

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/553e3dd76da811316ac5c918/image.gif

[HurricaneKid]

Doesn't seem like he was looking at him.

http://mykickgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/tumblr_m2wgrsx2ad1r7q0vjo1_500.gif

Back that .gif up 1 sec. Just because he wound up so far he turned away...

Christ, even as cut its not even close to the same thing.

[HurricaneKid]

They were both no-look blows to the head. What makes Artest's situation different is that this is Smith's second such incident whereas Artest has a rap sheet. So maybe it shouldn't be as long as Artest's if the NBA was factoring in Artest's long history.

Artest made the basket and was coming from the baseline straight into Harden. He was looking at Harden, then turned his body to get more torque and destroyed Harden's head. Not even close to a retaliatory bling swing behind you to get the guy who just moved you two feet.

The blow landed squarer than it even should have and I don't give a **** about JR Smith. I just don't think the league wants to admit that its officials lost control of a game that already took out last year's 2nd team All NBA F out of the playoffs because of illegal and overly physical play. Refs and league need to recognize that they forced Cle into NFL/MLB retaliation. For that and the suffering Cle already came out of that game with I am confident its going to be a shorter suspension than most here seem to think.

I'm good with 2 games. Keep in mind these are playoff games. Suspensions shouldn't be equal to regular season penalties.

[tmacattack33]

About 5 games less than Olynyk.

[Magic 32]

5 games.

[kamil]

About 5 games less than Olynyk.

Which would be the same amount less than Kevin Love for pulling on Olynyk's arm the same way just moments before?

#dumbasslogic

[Paul George 24]

Artest made the basket and was coming from the baseline straight into Harden. He was looking at Harden, then turned his body to get more torque and destroyed Harden's head. Not even close to a retaliatory bling swing behind you to get the guy who just moved you two feet.

The blow landed squarer than it even should have and I don't give a **** about JR Smith. I just don't think the league wants to admit that its officials lost control of a game that already took out last year's 2nd team All NBA F out of the playoffs because of illegal and overly physical play. Refs and league need to recognize that they forced Cle into NFL/MLB retaliation. For that and the suffering Cle already came out of that game with I am confident its going to be a shorter suspension than most here seem to think.

I'm good with 2 games. Keep in mind these are playoff games. Suspensions shouldn't be equal to regular season penalties.

JR CAUSE CEOWDER INJURY

[smoovegittar]

Never mind a suspension. They should just send him back to school.

[DukeDelonte13]

Which would be the same amount less than Kevin Love for pulling on Olynyk's arm the same way just moments before?

#dumbasslogic



:rolleyes:


you dumb.

[Real Men Wear Green]

what??? did you not see the OP?



smith has a huge rap sheet
Not compared to Artest. I'm talking about incidents that led to suspensions. Most players that have been around for years you can find a number of dirty blows. This is more about times where something like a punch is thrown. I did forget about the Knicks-Nuggets brawl but that was from something like 8 years ago.
Artest made the basket and was coming from the baseline straight into Harden. He was looking at Harden, then turned his body to get more torque and destroyed Harden's head. Not even close to a retaliatory bling swing behind you to get the guy who just moved you two feet.

The blow landed squarer than it even should have and I don't give a **** about JR Smith. I just don't think the league wants to admit that its officials lost control of a game that already took out last year's 2nd team All NBA F out of the playoffs because of illegal and overly physical play. Refs and league need to recognize that they forced Cle into NFL/MLB retaliation. For that and the suffering Cle already came out of that game with I am confident its going to be a shorter suspension than most here seem to think.

I'm good with 2 games. Keep in mind these are playoff games. Suspensions shouldn't be equal to regular season penalties.
I could see going lighter on Smith if what he did was verbal but this was a physical violation where he injured another player. Plus this isn't suspending a star, this is JR Smith. Losing him will hurt his team which is too bad but no one is buying tickets or tuning in for the sake of Smith. The refs losing control of the game shouldn't be a factor in how severe punishments are either. The Cavs were not forced to retaliate. They were pissed off and Smith made a split-second decision out of emotion that he absolutely would not have done if he had thought about it ahead of time.

[JellyBean]

One game.

[HurricaneKid]

Which would be the same amount less than Kevin Love for pulling on Olynyk's arm the same way just moments before?

#dumbasslogic

You do get that there is a difference between holding someone in an attempt to get the ball and holding and pulling with every ounce of your weight when you have no chance to get the ball right?

One is sadly all too common in the league because they won't whistle enough pushes underneath, the other is a dirty non basketball play.

[Hey Yo]

1 game, considering Chris Childs only got 2 games when he buckled Kobe's knee's with a 1-2 combo to his jaw.

[Joyner82reload]

1 game, considering Chris Childs only got 2 games when he buckled Kobe's knee's with a 1-2 combo to his jaw.

That was what, 15 years ago?

[Eric Cartman]

1 game, considering Chris Childs only got 2 games when he buckled Kobe's knee's with a 1-2 combo to his jaw.

Repeat offender, plus Adam Silver is a huge goofball.

Look at the whole Sterling thing.

[Droid101]

That was what, 15 years ago?
Obsession to that degree is a mental illness.

[BarberSchool]

Artest was going straight to the head. JR wasn't even looking where he was hitting. He got shoved in the back a few times and he swung wildly behind him without looking. He might have caught a shoulder but Crowder was low shoving so he caught it in the jaw. Calling it a sucker punch is out of line because JR didn't even know what he was swinging atIntention isnt what this is judged on. Results are.

For example:

If I put your b!tch @ss in a choke hold, with the intention to subdue you, after I run you down for snatching some old lady's purse, and I accidentally break 3 vertabrae, in your f#@king pencilneck......I'm not charged with assault....I'm charged with murder.

If some idiot lets off a shot on the 4th of July, and the stray bullet hits somebody, is he absolved because he didn't know what he was shooting at ?

You're really stupid, bruh.

[ballup]

3-5 games. The NBA usually suspends players 1 game for a hit to the face that doesn't connect. 2 for striking the face and making contact (See Randolph on Amundson). Crowder went down hard, which differs from a lot of situations in the past where players got hit in the face and were able to get up. JR's ejection may ease 1 game off the sentence, but there's no way this is only a 1 game suspension.

[HurricaneKid]

Not compared to Artest. I'm talking about incidents that led to suspensions. Most players that have been around for years you can find a number of dirty blows. This is more about times where something like a punch is thrown. I did forget about the Knicks-Nuggets brawl but that was from something like 8 years ago.
I could see going lighter on Smith if what he did was verbal but this was a physical violation where he injured another player. Plus this isn't suspending a star, this is JR Smith. Losing him will hurt his team which is too bad but no one is buying tickets or tuning in for the sake of Smith. The refs losing control of the game shouldn't be a factor in how severe punishments are either. The Cavs were not forced to retaliate. They were pissed off and Smith made a split-second decision out of emotion that he absolutely would not have done if he had thought about it ahead of time.


Yours is a fair assessment. And based on some of the hard and fast rules the league likes to go by (leaving the bench, etc) its certainly possible the league decides as you suggest. I personally think all factors need to be considered and the officials abject inability to protect the players does play a role in punishment as there were no protections provided out there.

I officiate quite a bit and that was absolutely the officials fault. You are taught early to control the physicality of the game. Players will always escalate in their physicality to match what you allow and a lot of guys got hurt in that game because the officials did not do their jobs. Better to have a FT contest than having players getting hurt left and right.

[poido123]

Should be 3 or 4 maybe more, but likely to be 1 or 2.



That hit had potential to start a Ron arrest situation at the Palace.


You hit a guy like that knowing you are either going to elbow him in the head or punch him, you should be out a long time.


Today's soft NBA does not tolerate any violence and certainly don't want another Malace in the Palace situation.