Paul Piece vs McGrady vs Vince vs James Harden

[retaxis]

Lets say they are all in their primes but consider their longevity and game styles as well. How would you rate them or rank them? Who would you want as a cornerstone 1a or 1b player on your team to go with your all time great centre/PF

[NLZ]

Carter
McGrady

Harden
Pierce

Pierce was never top 5 MVP worthy.. let alone top 2.

[Random_Guy]

hard to judge since harden is just entering his prime. in terms of individual dominance
Tmac>Carter>Peirce>Harden at their peak (even though we probably havaent seen hardens)
But all things considered their player ranking atm for me is
Peirce>Carter>Tmac>Harden (a little bit of celtic homerism here, and harden definitely can go up with time)
But one thing needs to be noted though, Peirce carter and Tmac were never the player harden was in terms of league rankings, they were never close to mvp imho, harden this year has been terrific.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

T-MAC


Vince
Harden


Pierce

[DCL]

tmac really fell off the chart...

[Fallen Angel]

The one with the MVP

[warriorfan]

Harden over Pierce?




:facepalm

[Hittin_Shots]

The one with the MVP

Pierce?

[VIntageNOvel]

The one with the FMVP

Fixed

[BigNBAfan]

Mcgrady
Harden
PP
Carter

if we're talking in their primes. PP was never as good of a ball handler as harden but i could see those two being switched. Prime mcgrady was as good as jordan.

[the_troof]

# of times VC and Tmac have gotten out of the 1st round: 5
# of times Pierce got out of the 1st round: 9

Also, peak Vince's numbers are essentially equal to Truths. In his best year, Pierce put up 27/7/5 on 47% shooting, Vince put up 27.5/5.5/4 on 46% shooting

BUT HE WAS GOOD AT DUNKING :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Prime:

McGrady

Harden
Pierce
Carter (saying this despite the fact that he is my favorite player all-time)

McGrady clearly #1 - Peak that Rivals a peak Kobe IMO. Last 3 are all really close. Any permutation can be argued IMO.

All time:

Pierce
Carter
McGrady
Harden

Carter/McGrady could be switched i guess...

[miles berg]

TMac
Vince
Pierce
Harden

[Carter_17]

VC


Harden
T-mac

Pierce

[Taller than CP3]

T-Mac
Pierce
Harden
VC

Vince Carter is the most overrated piece of shit ever. We get it, he can dunk. That was about the only thing he could do.

[L.Kizzle]

T-Mac
Pierce
Harden
VC

Vince Carter is the most overrated piece of shit ever. We get it, he can dunk. That was about the only thing he could do.
:biggums:

Yeah a guy avg more than 25 a bunch of times can just dunk.

[Real Men Wear Green]

:biggums:

Yeah a guy avg more than 25 a bunch of times can just dunk.
He's more thana dunker but dunking is the only thing he did better than Pierce.

[L.Kizzle]

He's more thana dunker but dunking is the only thing he did better than Pierce.
No way. P-Dub better post player that's it really and rebounder. Taalent wise VC better, no PP used what he had better.

[ThickassGlasses]

Pierce seems to get massively underrated on here because of the original big 3. People forget he was ballin before on very average Celtics teams and taking them into the playoffs with Antoine "I only shoot three's" Walker.


And, unlike the others (Harden should this year I suppose), led his team passed the first round.

[CJ Mustard]

T-Mac
Pierce
Harden
VC

[CJ Mustard]

No way. P-Dub better post player that's it really and rebounder. Taalent wise VC better, no PP used what he had better.
Better playmaker, passer, shooter, defender, and more efficient scorer too. With significantly more team success (even without KG).

[ImKobe]

Tough call, leaning towards Pierce or T-Mac because of their clutch ability.

[Real Men Wear Green]

No way. P-Dub better post player that's it really and rebounder. Taalent wise VC better, no PP used what he had better.
Paul Pierce did some posting buthe was and always has been mainly a perimeter player. Carter was a more explosive athlete so if you want to say he was more talented I don't really care but that "talent" didn't translate into being a better ballplayer. Pierce played better d, was his equal as a scorer, did more on the boards. And Pierce has him easily beat in longevity.

[ShawkFactory]

Prime Pierce was cold-blooded (still is I guess). I'd definitely take him over Carter and Harden.

Prime Tmac was just on another level with the things he could do though.

[WillC]

McGrady would be my first pick.

Then probably Paul Pierce.

[Mass Debator]

T-Mac

Harden
Vince

Pierce

[Wiltside]

Pierce?

:applause:

[Done_And_Done]

Paul Piece

[avonbarksdale]

tmac
harden
carter

pierce

[Duranthebest]

Hilarious thread.

Prime Paul Pierce easily. People forget how filthy Pierce was in his prime. :smh:

[Fudge]

McGrady
Harden
Carter
Pierce

[Clyde]

when is James Harden in his prime?

[L.Kizzle]

Hilarious thread.

Prime Paul Pierce easily. People forget how filthy Pierce was in his prime. :smh:
No one has forgot.

[Cold soul]

McGrady
Pierce
Harden
Carter

[SugarHill]

peak

T-Mac
Pierce
Harden
Carter

smh @ people who think all Carter did was dunk or that Pierce was never a truly great player.

[kNIOKAS]

Prime:

McGrady

Harden
Pierce
Carter (saying this despite the fact that he is my favorite player all-time)

McGrady clearly #1 - Peak that Rivals a peak Kobe IMO. Last 3 are all really close. Any permutation can be argued IMO.

All time:

Pierce
Carter
McGrady
Harden

Carter/McGrady could be switched i guess...
True, yet the peak aspect is a bit overrated here. If you look, McGrady had an amazing year or two, rivaling some of the best years of the best players, ever. Having said that, he pretty much got shot down after that...

Also, I feel that Harden gets unintentional bias here, because had other three players start they career today, they'd be even better than Harden. I do think that way.


T-Mac
Pierce
Harden
VC

Vince Carter is the most overrated piece of shit ever. We get it, he can dunk. That was about the only thing he could do.
That's not true, Vince Carter had an amazing peak and was a boss for a long time. Just watch the '01 Sixers-Raptors series. Man he was on another leve.

[dreamwarrior]

Harden - He could do everything those guys could
Carter - Better at creating his own shot than the other two
McGrady - For a year or two he was an absolute beast
Pierce - Played within his abilities. He never reached superstar status

[ShawkFactory]

Harden - He could do everything those guys could
Carter - Better at creating his own shot than the other two
McGrady - For a year or two he was an absolute beast
Pierce - Played within his abilities. He never reached superstar status
What? McGrady was one of the absolute best at creating his own shot

[fsvr54]

TMAC had the highest peak, this is not debateable.

[ABfor3]

TMac was neck and neck with Kobe peak wise so he's number one here.
TMac
Harden
Pierce
VC

[JGXEN]

1. TMac - If he did not succumb to injuries, we'll be talking about an undisputed top 3 SG of all time
2. Pierce - The only guy in the group with a ring. Consistent and clutch performer who was the best overall player among the 4.
3. Carter - Insane player who could score in a multitude of ways and deadly in the clutch as well
4. Harden - Pales in comparison to the 3 above. Offensively wise, Harden is probably right up there with them but the main flaw in his game is his ineptness at the defensive end

[D-FENS]

TMac


Pierce
Vince


Harden

Agreed. TMac was something else

[bizil]

The only SG's FOR SURE I would take over T Mac peak wise are MJ, Kobe, and Wade. So he's clearly the top player of this list peak wise. Even though T-Mac caught the injury bug, I still think he deserves to be a future HOFer. Maybe not first ballot.

But he deserves to get in. Dude had 7 All NBA teams and 7 All stars game under his belt. And he had 18,381 points despite all those injuries. At his best, was like a mix of George Gervin and Penny Hardaway. But added the three ball as a major weapon!

[Vman23]

Harden - He could do everything those guys could
Carter - Better at creating his own shot than the other two
McGrady - For a year or two he was an absolute beast
Pierce - Played within his abilities. He never reached superstar status

You realize Pierce is a likely first ballot Hall of Famer right?

Do people not realize that prime Pierce was 27/7/5 with good defense on 47% fg while being super clutch? You must realize it because someone posted those stats earlier in the thread.

Prime VC was not better than Pierce, Pierce was literally better in all facets of the game.

[L.Kizzle]

You realize Pierce is a likely first ballot Hall of Famer right?

Do people not realize that prime Pierce was 27/7/5 with good defense on 47% fg while being super clutch? You must realize it because someone posted those stats earlier in the thread.

Prime VC was not better than Pierce, Pierce was literally better in all facets of the game.
VC was 26/6/4 on 46/40 and super clutch.

[Smook A.]

T-Mac
Pierce
Harden
Carter

Scary thing is, Harden hasn't even reached his absolute peak yet. He's only 25 and just came off of averaging 27/7/6 on 44/38/87. He's only going to get better.

[TheBigVeto]

Pierce is the best among them. Followed by T-Mac. Harden is slightly better than Vince.

[alexd]

Tmac
Pierce
VC
Harden

Harden is last because we have seen one great season from him
Tmac first by far.he was perhaps one of the best talent the league has ever seen.long athletic he could do it all.talent of course doesn t translate to success.he was a better talent than Kobe by far.but he underachieved and Kobe overachieved

[Noob Saibot]

it would be interesting to see James Harden go up against the McGrady's, Carter's, and Pierce's back when they were explosive and could score at will. I think a lot of you would be saying something entirely different.

[kNIOKAS]

it would be interesting to see James Harden go up against the McGrady's, Carter's, and Pierce's back when they were explosive and could score at will. I think a lot of you would be saying something entirely different.
Absolutely, as I've stated before, put any of those three in today's league and they might be doing better than Harden. I can hardly see Harden being MVP contender in the 2000's, not all because of the competition but due to the overall game as well.

[Noob Saibot]

Absolutely, as I've stated before, put any of those three in today's league and they might be doing better than Harden. I can hardly see Harden being MVP contender in the 2000's, not all because of the competition but due to the overall game as well.

its safe to stay the shooting guard position regressed heavily over the past years 5 years.

[JohnnySic]

Pierce had a better career than T-Mac and Carter and it may end up better than Harden's too.

[Fallen Angel]

Harden already proved to be one of the greatest sixth men NBA history. Now he's one of the best players in the league.

That accomplishment alone has never been done in league history.

[It's A VC3!!!]

All of those mentioned players played on a great team for many years, except Vince. Vince never had a great championship worthy team. He did in Orlando but he was 32 at that time. Although had he played better, along with R. Lewis, the Magic would have beaten the Celtics in 2010.

Also, we have only seen one or two great seasons from Harden. Let's wait five more years and see what he can do.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Harden already proved to be one of the greatest sixth men NBA history. Now he's one of the best players in the league.

That accomplishment alone has never been done in league history.
John Havlicek.

[Hittin_Shots]

John Havlicek.


Lets not let logic get in the way of a hyperbole Shit dribble now.

[Legends66NBA7]

John Havlicek.

Kevin McHale.

[brantonli]

it would be interesting to see James Harden go up against the McGrady's, Carter's, and Pierce's back when they were explosive and could score at will. I think a lot of you would be saying something entirely different.

Harden would've been known as having an old man game, similar to Pierce, if Harden was transported back to the early-mid 2000. Like him and Carter would've been held as the complete opposite but still top tier SG, one who just dunks everything and the other who relies on threes and FTs.

[ISHGoat]

What is common between paul pierce, tmac, vince, and harden?

They all win 5 rings if they replaced kobe

[Kblaze8855]

Kevin McHale.

And Billy Cunningham....

But of course when people say "league history" they mean the last 10-15 years or so.

[Fallen Angel]

John Havlicek.
So Johnny won Sixth Man of the Year and the MVP? Nobody has ever won those awards in that order until James Harden.

[Real Men Wear Green]

So Johnny won Sixth Man of the Year and the MVP? Nobody has ever won those awards in that order until James Harden.
Havlicek is the father of the sixth man award, you did not specify that awards be handed out, and Harden is an MVP candidate, not yet the actual award winner.

[ralph_i_el]

So Johnny won Sixth Man of the Year and the MVP? Nobody has ever won those awards in that order until James Harden.

plenty of people have won 6th man and then NOT won MVP (Like Harden:lol )