What is "marriage"?

[NumberSix]

Thoughts?

[DonD13]

oh is the supreme court decision made?

[DonD13]

i'm kind of undecided on the topic but the people with the "God hate ****" shirts always make me laugh

[Jailblazers7]

Should just be defined as a union between two consenting adults (or just two adults, idk how arranged marriages work lol).

[DCL]

a legal contract to give half your shit away

[Akrazotile]

It is a holy union between a man and a woman, consecrated before the eyes of God.

[SexSymbol]

It's your mom.... and your dad.

[Jailblazers7]

It is a holy union between a man and a woman, consecrated before the eyes of God.

Does that mean if gay people make up a religion with a God that is totally supportive of homos that they are allowed to get married?

[Akrazotile]

Does that mean if gay people make up a religion with a God that is totally supportive of homos that they are allowed to get married?


Hell no

[NumberSix]

Should just be defined as a union between two consenting adults (or just two adults, idk how arranged marriages work lol).
What made you decide that two is the right number?

[highwhey]

Should just be defined as a union between two consenting adults (or just two adults, idk how arranged marriages work lol).
Between 2 adults pending the physical of the cow offered in exchange for the bride.

[Droid101]

Marriage is a tradition. Its a tradition that has existed for thousands of years throughout all civilizations and cultures.

Not in the way you think.

https://upworthy-production.s3.amazonaws.com/nugget/4fad667a42542a00030018ba/attachments/biblemarriage.jpg

[Akrazotile]

That pic proves my point even more actually. All those different interpretations of marriage yet none is man and man or woman and woman


:applause: The Lawd hath spoken!

[NumberSix]

I'm actually not sure where I stand on this.

[Jailblazers7]

What made you decide that two is the right number?

I think the legal shit that goes along with marriage would be too difficult with more than 2 people. Divorces would be a nightmare, I'm sure there'd be tax fraud that the gov't wants to prevent, etc.

edit - Altho I guess in works in Utah somehow so maybe they have it figured out. I personally don't care if more than 2 people want to be married but my guess is that gay marriage will be legal long before polygamous marriages are.

[The Iron Sheik]

I think the legal shit that goes along with marriage would be too difficult with more than 2 people. Divorces would be a nightmare, I'm sure there'd be tax fraud that the gov't wants to prevent, etc.

edit - Altho I guess in works in Utah somehow so maybe they have it figured out. I personally don't care if more than 2 people want to be married but my guess is that gay marriage will be legal long before polygamous marriages are.

divorces already suck, but couldn't they just split stuff among who owns it? like even if it were something you couldn't literally split (like a house/car) couldn't they just look at whose name is on the deed and give it to them? and how could one fraud taxes with polygamous marriages? i always hear that but i'm not versed enough to know of any particular ways it could be done.

and to your last statement, i think it's silly how being gay is more acceptable than polygamy (in a moral sense). they're both just sexual preferences.

[Droid101]

Another good reason it shouldn't be a legal matter
Uh... what? Marriage in society is nothing more than a contract. By the very definition of the word, it's a legal document.

[NumberSix]

Uh... what? Marriage in society is nothing more than a contract. By the very definition of the word, it's a legal document.
Huh? :wtf:

You're gonna have to explain that one.

[Derka]

Marriage always felt like a religious rite to me, involving the blessing of your union before your chosen god/gods/pantheon/whatever.

I never liked the use of the word "marriage" in the civic arena.

[rufuspaul]

Shouldn't be a legal contract at all
There should be no legal or tax benefits to being married
The government shouldn't endorse a particular lifestyle by offering these perks


There aren't any tax benefits, in fact the fed penalizes married couples when it comes to taxes.

I think the issue comes down to sex (gender) discrimination more so than sexual orientation discrimination. Chief Justice Roberts said as much yesterday:

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[rufuspaul]

Marriage always felt like a religious rite to me, involving the blessing of your union before your chosen god/gods/pantheon/whatever.

I never liked the use of the word "marriage" in the civic arena.

It is used in the "civic arena" because of the legal rites a marriage bestows and because we have in this country a separation of church and state, at least we're supposed to.

[The Iron Sheik]

I think the issue comes down to sex (gender) discrimination more so than sexual orientation discrimination. Chief Justice Roberts said as much yesterday:

but how could it be gender discrimination when both men and women who want to marry the same sex are denied that opportunity? people have a problem with the fact that it's gay people who want to get married, not that it's a gay man or woman. you can be gay and be of either gender.

[Tarik One]

Marriage aka Relationship Insurance

[Nanners]

stupid that our nation is still distracted by this pointless wedge issue.

[NumberSix]

stupid that our nation is still distracted by this pointless wedge issue.
So what's your solution? The gays should just let it go or the government should recognize marriage as any combination of any number of any people?

[lilandywiggins]

Shouldn't be a legal contract at all
There should be no legal or tax benefits to being married
The government shouldn't endorse a particular lifestyle by offering these perks

Should legal contracts be allowed if 2 people enter a partnership where 1 works and 1 supports children? And if the contract is breached, a payout is owed as penalty?

[rufuspaul]

but how could it be gender discrimination when both men and women who want to marry the same sex are denied that opportunity? people have a problem with the fact that it's gay people who want to get married, not that it's a gay man or woman. you can be gay and be of either gender.


ORLY?!?!??? :facepalm

It's the same argument either way. A woman can't marry another woman but a man can. It's discrimination based on gender.

[Le Shaqtus]

Or you know

Relationships shouldn't involve the law/government at all

This.

[Akrazotile]

ORLY?!?!??? :facepalm

It's the same argument either way. A woman can't marry another woman but a man can. It's discrimination based on gender.


It's not. Because the woman can't marry her same sex, and neither can a man. It's a law that applies equally to everyone, thus no discrimination.

If the men's shower is all crowded, I cant go and use the women's. And the woman can't go use the men's.


Let me in the women's showers, and I'll reverse course on this issue.

[rufuspaul]

It's not. Because the woman can't marry her same sex, and neither can a man. It's a law that applies equally to everyone, thus no discrimination.

If the men's shower is all crowded, I cant go and use the women's. And the woman can't go use the men's.


Let me in the women's showers, and I'll reverse course on this issue.


Because using showers confers legal rights and benefits upon shower users. Good argument. :rolleyes:

Your reasoning is flawed because the law isn't applied equally to everyone. The woman can't marry her same sex, neither can a man, but in the case of the two women a man can marry either one and vice versa with men. It's denial under the law on the basis of sex (gender), thus discrimination.

[lilandywiggins]

Does that mean that intersex people can only marry intersex people?

[lilandywiggins]

I only think both parties should be financially responsible for the children.


There should be no penalty

Don't wanna be together anymore fine just buy your kid clothes and food

So, both need to get jobs and have the kid raised by somebody else that they pay? Because that is the only way to do it without 1 person sacrificing income to raise the children.

[Akrazotile]

Because using showers confers legal rights and benefits upon shower users. Good argument. :rolleyes:

Your reasoning is flawed because the law isn't applied equally to everyone. The woman can't marry her same sex, neither can a man, but in the case of the two women a man can marry either one and vice versa with men. It's denial under the law on the basis of sex (gender), thus discrimination.


If I as a man go and use the public women's bathroom at the beach or the pool or any municipal place, I will get kicked out. If I keep going in, I'll be arrested.

Whereas women can walk in and out of that bathroom as they please. Thus "inequality."

Which part aren't you getting? I can try to be clearer.

[The Iron Sheik]

Because using showers confers legal rights and benefits upon shower users. Good argument. :rolleyes:

even though he was being facetious, you're ignoring his context. it's not discrimination based on gender if both genders are denied the same opportunity.


Your reasoning is flawed because the law isn't applied equally to everyone. The woman can't marry her same sex, neither can a man, but in the case of the two women a man can marry either one and vice versa with men. It's denial under the law on the basis of sex (gender), thus discrimination.

it is though. the law to marry the same sex is prohibited against both men and women. if men could marry men but women couldn't marry women for instance, then it would be gender discrimination instead of discrimination based on sexual orientation.

[rufuspaul]

If I as a man go and use the public women's bathroom at the beach or the pool or any municipal place, I will get kicked out. If I keep going in, I'll be arrested.

Whereas women can walk in and out of that bathroom as they please. Thus "inequality."

Which part aren't you getting? I can try to be clearer.


Trespassing ≠ marriage inequality. Which part aren't you getting?

[nathanjizzle]

Marriage is a tradition. Its a tradition that has existed for thousands of years throughout all civilizations and cultures. Its a tradition that should only be between a man and a woman.

Im not anti-homo, but I don't believe in changing tradition just to appease a select minority who feel left out. Its like saying "Happy Holidays" when its Xmas time. Its like entering a Mosque and telling Muslims i don't want to take my shoes off and they should respect that....Why the fukc would i even be in a mosque if i didn't want to respect their religion? Its like going to Spain and complaining about their mid-afternoon siestas and making them all change their tradition for me because I feel left out. Or going to Italy and hating Pizza. People should stop eating pizza because you dont like it? I respect all religions, all cultures and all traditions. And i expect them to accept mine. If homos want to create a new word for marriage that is legally binding, than that's fine by me. I hope many people, (homo or straight) join their cause. I hope they forge their own tradition that will survive centuries just like other traditions have.

Fact of the matter is that faVgs have existed forever. There have been times where they have been even more accepted in society than today (Ancient Greece and Rome etc). But marriage has also existed forever. And its existed side by side with faVgs. Theres no reason to change it


you have no point at all. gays are seeking the right to marry under government, not under religion and its olden traditions. :facepalm think harder boy.
http://i.imgur.com/YVwP1UF.gif

[rufuspaul]

even though he was being facetious, you're ignoring his context. it's not discrimination based on gender if both genders are denied the same opportunity.



The key word there being "denied". The purpose of the state bans are to deny rights based on gender.

[The Iron Sheik]

The key word there being "denied". The purpose of the state bans are to deny rights based on gender.

we're sort of saying the same thing, because your orientation depends on which gender you are attracted to. but i'm looking at it from the perspective of the orientation itself. for instance, if everyone were born bisexual, then same sex marriage wouldn't be a problem, because it would be normal for guys to want to be with other men, and women with other women. but it's like i said, both genders are equally unable to marry the same sex. gay men and straight men are (obviously) of the same gender, but one can marry who he wants and one can't. all because of their differences in orientation.

[The Iron Sheik]

This argument is pointless

It doesn't matter whether the discrimination is based on gender or sexuality. It's still discrimination. Deciding what kind of discrimination doesn't matter

fair enough. i can't argue with that.

[Akrazotile]

Look. The Lord, God, said man and woman. So that's it. End of story. Nobody here on Earth is above the Lord.

[dh144498]

i'm thinking about proposing to my girlfriend of 9 months. But i think she is going to say no because i don't believe in God......

[KingBeasley08]

Marriage, also called matrimony or wedlock, is a socially or ritually recognized union or legal contract between spouses that establishes rights and obligations between them, between them and their children, and between them and their in-laws.[1] The definition of marriage varies according to different cultures, but it is principally an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually sexual, are acknowledged.


Source: wikipedia

[~primetime~]

An accurate breakdown of what marriage is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell)
I joke, I joke...my marriage has been awesome so far, haven't reached the hell stage yet.

[rufuspaul]

An accurate breakdown of what marriage is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell)
I joke, I joke...my marriage has been awesome so far, haven't reached the hell stage yet.



:roll:

[Lamar Doom]

When a couple of people decide that their love is good enough for the rest of their lives. Well, the rest of the first person's life. After he or she dies it's usually a last gasp f*ck fest for the other.

[Akrazotile]

When a couple of people decide that their love is good enough for the rest of their lives. Well, the rest of the first person's life. After he or she dies it's usually a last gasp f*ck fest for the other.


It's not just about what they want. It's what GOD wants. What does God want from his creations here on Earth?

Not two dudes butt****in, I'm pretty sure.

[Lamar Doom]

It's not just about what they want. It's what GOD wants. What does God want from his creations here on Earth?

Not two dudes butt****in, I'm pretty sure.


Fair point. But what if it's two dudes buttf*ckin the same girl? Also, what are you doing later?

[Akrazotile]

Fair point. But what if it's two dudes buttf*ckin the same girl? Also, what are you doing later?


Biblically speaking it is permissible as long as the woman is the man's wife, and the other dude is wearing a wig and hosiery.

[Lamar Doom]

Marriage is a word relatively open to interpretation.

People are too uptight about the definition of a marriage. Seems like it's the faux righteous, tradition warriors who want to talk about how if theres no dick + p*ssy + baby, dont you DARE call it a marriage!!! To the barricades!!!!!!

Like seriously who cares what someone calls a family. It doesnt matter.

[DonDadda59]

Marriage is a word relatively open to interpretation.

People are too uptight about the definition of a marriage. Seems like it's the faux righteous, tradition warriors who want to talk about how if theres no dick + p*ssy + baby, dont you DARE call it a marriage!!! To the barricades!!!!!!

Like seriously who cares what someone calls a family. It doesnt matter.

If they're not paying a dowry of at least 10 cattle and sacrificing one goat to Apollo, then I'll be damned if I recognize it as 'marriage'.

[Lamar Doom]

Your views are so archaic DonDadda. It's 2013, grow up. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11287176&postcount=3)

[Akrazotile]

Marriage is a word relatively open to interpretation.

People are too uptight about the definition of a marriage. Seems like it's the faux righteous, tradition warriors who want to talk about how if theres no dick + p*ssy + baby, dont you DARE call it a marriage!!! To the barricades!!!!!!

Like seriously who cares what someone calls a family. It doesnt matter.


Dude, if it were up to me, it'd be fine. I dont give a shit what them fakkits wanna do. Eat, drink, and be married for all I care. But the issue is that God hath said hell no. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. I'm not even particularly comfortable with interracial marriage, because God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Weave.

It's not as simple as "hey, this guy likes the way his weiner feels in another dude's butt, lets let em get married." God made a plan, God provided us with a direction, and it is our responsibility to see his will through. The issue is much bigger than just saying "Ahh what the hell, go ahead." We do not have the authority to override the Lord.

[Jailblazers7]

You really think Jesus spending all his time with 12 dudes was a coincidence? That guy was definitely pro-buttsex. Mary Magdalene was a beard if I've ever seen one.

[KingBeasley08]

I'm not even particularly comfortable with interracial marriage, because God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Weave.

:lol :lol :lol

Ok, this was pretty good. Don't believe you came up with it yourself though

[niko]

Dude, if it were up to me, it'd be fine. I dont give a shit what them fakkits wanna do. Eat, drink, and be married for all I care. But the issue is that God hath said hell no. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. I'm not even particularly comfortable with interracial marriage, because God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Weave.

It's not as simple as "hey, this guy likes the way his weiner feels in another dude's butt, lets let em get married." God made a plan, God provided us with a direction, and it is our responsibility to see his will through. The issue is much bigger than just saying "Ahh what the hell, go ahead." We do not have the authority to override the Lord.
I like this. Do you use this as an audition monologue? Shit was funny. :rockon:

[NumberSix]

Should two brothers be able to get married?

I understand why a brother and sister can't get married. It's a really bad idea for people that closely related to procreate, but with two brothers you don't have that problem.

So what makes two men who are brothers different from two men who aren't?

[DonDadda59]

Should two brothers be able to get married?

I understand why a brother and sister can't get married. It's a really bad idea for people that closely related to procreate, but with two brothers you don't have that problem.

So what makes two men who are brothers different from two men who aren't?

Since when has marriage been dependent on procreation/ability to procreate?

And pretty sure it's expressly illegal to marry a sibling in the U.S. (don't know the legal particulars). But it happens in some tribal societies, particularly in the middle east. And traditional marriage in Egypt AKA the birth place of Moses, Mr. 10 commandments himself, was considered a holy union between members of the royal family.

[Draz]

Marriage:
When you're ready to stop getting your dck wet from other btches
When you're ready to be told everything you do is wrong or needs to be changed
When you start smelling someone else's shit because they leave the door open
When they openly fart in your face

It's a death sentence. Don't do it.

[CavaliersFTW]

In the United States it's supposed to be a binding agreement of commitment between two lovers, recognized by both state law and/or religion.

As with anything in life, it's often not that simple in the real world.

[NumberSix]

Since when has marriage been dependent on procreation/ability to procreate?

And pretty sure it's expressly illegal to marry a sibling in the U.S. (don't know the legal particulars). But it happens in some tribal societies, particularly in the middle east. And traditional marriage in Egypt AKA the birth place of Moses, Mr. 10 commandments himself, was considered a holy union between members of the royal family.
So, should two men who happen to be brothers be able to marry or not? Yes or no?

[Akrazotile]

Yes


What about a dad and son?


Dat bond :rockon:

[DonDadda59]

So, should two men who happen to be brothers be able to marry or not? Yes or no?

Sure, why not?


What about a dad and son?


Dat bond :rockon:

If you weren't a man, and my father too, I'd buy you a diamond ring and then I'd marry you.

Eh, f*ck it.

[Akrazotile]

:lol :lol :lol

Ok, this was pretty good. Don't believe you came up with it yourself though


You think "Adam and Weave" is such a profound and intricate play on words I couldnt possibly have thought it up myself??? :roll:

I assure you, I did.

[NumberSix]

Sure, why not?



If you weren't a man, and my father too, I'd buy you a diamond ring and then I'd marry you.

Eh, f*ck it.
How about a father and a son?

How about a father and his 2 kids being 3 way married?

[DonDadda59]

How about a father and a son?

How about a father and his 2 kids being 3 way married?

Kinky as f*ck. I like it. But why stop there? Let the family pets get in on the action. Man has dominion over beasts. Fifty shades of dominion. :pimp:

[NumberSix]

Should black criminals be able to marry white cops?

[Akrazotile]

Sure, why not?



If you weren't a man, and my father too, I'd buy you a diamond ring and then I'd marry you.

Eh, f*ck it.



http://guycodeblog.mtv.com//wp-content/uploads/clutch/2013/09/smooch.gif

[Draz]

Draz with that 1979 stand up material
http://i.imgur.com/XQZhLtN.jpg

[NumberSix]

Doesn't it seem like the easiest and most sensible approach is that the government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all?

[Draz]

Now that you bring it up, why the **** does government care about who we want to spend our lives with? Dam. To think of it in that way, it's such a fcked up situation I'm glad I'm not a cocksckng fgt. They shit would piss me off.

[DonDadda59]

Should black criminals be able to marry white cops?

I don't know about marriage but I've seen some damn good pornos that start with that premise. Damn good.




Doesn't it seem like the easiest and most sensible approach is that the government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all?

Don't tread on me... trying to marry my brother? :confusedshrug:

http://cdn.meme.am/images/300x/6935118.jpg

[Dresta]

Since when has marriage been dependent on procreation/ability to procreate?

And pretty sure it's expressly illegal to marry a sibling in the U.S. (don't know the legal particulars). But it happens in some tribal societies, particularly in the middle east. And traditional marriage in Egypt AKA the birth place of Moses, Mr. 10 commandments himself, was considered a holy union between members of the royal family.
Since forever: it was a union of unwavering commitment, duty and responsibility, made for the sake of one's progeny more than anything else (i.e. doing what's best to preserve one's heritage, history, family). But history now dies with the Grandfather, and people have no roots.

That is as it has been defined for thousands of years. In fact, marriage only became about 'love' at all very recently, since the advent of democracy. Before then it was about much more, and was far more sensibly envisaged (see the absurdly high divorce rates which show marriage has become little more than another trivial piece of self-indulgence); now marriage is founded on an idiosyncrasy (love), and so it can only slowly die out.

[warriorfan]

only marry if your lady makes more dough than you :lol

[pauk]

Not in the way you think.

https://upworthy-production.s3.amazonaws.com/nugget/4fad667a42542a00030018ba/attachments/biblemarriage.jpg


Solomon....

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Kobe-Reaction1.gif



Wilt doe?