Andrew Wiggins wins ROY

[Dave3]

Wolves' Wiggins to be named NBA Rookie of the Year on Thursday
Article by: KENT YOUNGBLOOD , Star Tribune Updated: April 29, 2015 - 5:14 PM

Mix for those who didn't hate themselves enough this year to put themselves through Wolves games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g05ASKgQLUM



In what should come as no surprise to anyone who followed the 2014-15 NBA season, Andrew Wiggins will became the first Timberwolves player to be named the league’s Rookie of the Year, according to a league source.

The official announcement will be made Thursday.


http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/301748841.html

Update on voting.


@SHowardCooper: Rookie of the Year results: Wiggins first, Mirotic second, Noel third, Payton fourth, Smart fifth, Nurkic sixth, Clarkson seventh.

[Thunderfan86]

Congrats Andrew! :applause:

[Bernkastel]

gj, wig

[JimmyMcAdocious]

The writer is pretty bad at writing based on his first sentence.

Congrats to Wiggins, tho.

[TylerOO]

Bruce Jenner

[Ca$H]

Will end up finishing higher than Bran on the GOAT list.

[HylianNightmare]

Woo

[Ca$H]

Bruce Jenner

:wtf:

[lilandywiggins]

BOOM! Future superstar. :applause:

[Spaulding]

Well deserved. Just wish Parker was around this season to see how well he did too.

[gts]

well deserved :bowdown:



:wtf: @"bruce jenner" comment

[UK2K]

Think Nerlens overtook him later in the season but can't argue with the selection.

[Hey Yo]

* beside it due to Parker going down and no other challengers for the award.

[Dave3]

Well deserved. Just wish Parker was around this season to see how well he did too.
My least favourite thing about this season is all these injuries. From phenom rookies like Embiid, Parker and Randle, to absolute superstars like Durant and Kobe. At least that makes me even more excited for next year. Almost like we get one and a half rookie classes.

[Dave3]

Think Nerlens overtook him later in the season but can't argue with the selection.
As in Nerlens had a better month of March, or as in by March Nerlens had the better year?

[Meticode]

As he should've with Parker going down.

[noob cake]

Finishes with 13.97 PER, leads team in negative plus minus.

Negative offensive AND defensive adjusted plus/minus, negative VORP

[kennethgriffin]

a canadian is about to become the next GOAT candidate...

suck it MURIKA

[kennethgriffin]

Finishes with 13.97 PER, leads team in negative plus minus.

Negative offensive AND defensive adjusted plus/minus, negative VORP


just shows you how useless analytics are

:roll:
the same formula that ranks bill russell out of the top 100 all time

[24-Inch_Chrome]

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/funny%20gifs/grand/retard-funny-gifs-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-804.gif

:sleeping

[Meticode]

Think Nerlens overtook him later in the season but can't argue with the selection.
I don't think he over-took him. I do think Nerlens had a better March than Wiggins, but the award is not called Rookie of March, it's called Rookie of the Year. If you look at the game logs break down monthly, Noel had a great April, above average March, and all the previous months were subpar, but he improved pretty much every month. Then again, you can't ingore Wiggins April and every single month except November he was undoubtedly a starter and borderline all-star some months...

44% FG,
81% FT%
0.9 BPG
1.0 SPG
6.0 RPG
4.0 APG
23.3 PPG

...in April.

[Lensanity]

Bruce Jenner
Agreed.

[Hey Yo]

a canadian is about to become the next GOAT candidate...

suck it MURIKA
Anthony Bennett?

[UK2K]

I don't think he over-took him. I do think Nerlens had a better March than Wiggins, but the award is not called Rookie of March, it's called Rookie of the Year. If you look at the game logs break down monthly, Noel had a great April, above average March, and all the previous months were subpar, but he improved pretty much every month. Then again, you can't ingore Wiggins April and every single month except November he was undoubtedly a starter and borderline all-star some months...

44% FG,
81% FT%
0.9 BPG
1.0 SPG
6.0 RPG
4.0 APG
23.3 PPG

...in April.


As in Nerlens had a better month of March, or as in by March Nerlens had the better year?

Post ASB

Wiggins
20.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.3 apg, .9 spg, .7 bpg, 45% from the floor, 16 ****ING PERCENT from 3pt range.


Nerlens
13.1 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.9 apg, 2.1 spg, 2.3 bpg, 49% from the floor.

Wiggins scored more (he took more shots) and assisted more (slightly, slightly, for a guard, slightly, but he had the ball in his hands more), but other than that, what did he do better than Nerlens? He didnt rebound better. His defense wasnt better. He shot worse from the floor.

I get Wiggins had a nice start to the season, I had him on my fantasy team all season. But Nerlens had an excellent second half of the season, better than Wiggins IMO. The numbers he put up from a rookie stand point hadn't been done since rookie David Robinson.

Like I said, I think Nerlens overtook Wiggins and had a better second half of the season. That's exactly what I said, and that's exactly what I mean.

[Ca$H]

Bruce Jenner

This is so random and weird. I respect you for this. :cheers:

[Dave3]

Post ASB

Wiggins
20.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.3 apg, .9 spg, .7 bpg, 45% from the floor, 16 ****ING PERCENT from 3pt range.


Nerlens
13.1 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.9 apg, 2.1 spg, 2.3 bpg, 49% from the floor.

Wiggins scored more (he took more shots) and assisted more (slightly, slightly, for a guard, slightly, but he had the ball in his hands more), but other than that, what did he do better than Nerlens? He didnt rebound better. His defense wasnt better. He shot worse from the floor.

I get Wiggins had a nice start to the season, I had him on my fantasy team all season. But Nerlens had an excellent second half of the season, better than Wiggins IMO. The numbers he put up from a rookie stand point hadn't been done since rookie David Robinson.

Like I said, I think Nerlens overtook Wiggins and had a better second half of the season. That's exactly what I said, and that's exactly what I mean.
It's a bit unclear because you keep going back and forth between saying "better second half" and "overtook" which implies better for the full season. Unless you're saying overtook him as a player, but not for whoever was having a better season. That I can see argued.

The stats you mention though only account for 26 games by Noel. And you emphasize Wiggins' bad 3 point percentage, but ignore his 17% FT advantage over Noel. In fact for the 26 games you mention, Wiggins had an identical TS% (52.9% vs. 53.2% with the advantage to Wiggins). Big men will (and should) always shoot better from the field than swingmen. It's the advanced shooting stats that better evaluate their scoring efficiency, and in that they were identical.

For all of that I do still agree that Noel had a better second 'half' of the season. But for the other 56 games of the year, Wiggins' better start more than gives him the advantage for the overall year.

[Blue&Orange]

traded for a role player. great trade for the wolves.

[SugarHill]

* beside it due to Parker going down and no other challengers for the award.
:whatever:

[outbreak]

I don't think he over-took him. I do think Nerlens had a better March than Wiggins, but the award is not called Rookie of March, it's called Rookie of the Year. If you look at the game logs break down monthly, Noel had a great April, above average March, and all the previous months were subpar, but he improved pretty much every month. Then again, you can't ingore Wiggins April and every single month except November he was undoubtedly a starter and borderline all-star some months...

44% FG,
81% FT%
0.9 BPG
1.0 SPG
6.0 RPG
4.0 APG
23.3 PPG

...in April.

Nerlens and Payton both had months better but you are 100% right. It's the rookie of the year award and Wiggins is going to be special.

[Smook A.]

:applause:

Would've been a tighter race had Jabari Parker not gotten injured.

[SugarHill]

noob cake said "negative VORP"

http://img.pandawhale.com/80863-Tom-Cruise-laughing-gif-Imgur-BzbT.gif

[beastee]

Mirotic should be #2 in voting. Dude balled to end the season and his PER was the highest of all rookies...plus he could be the key factor if the Bulls beat the Cavs.

But Wiggins will be the best long term player out of this group most likely so I get it.

[BRabbiT]

Vaughan's own:pimp:

Congrats, AW

[Lebron23]

Well deserved. It sucks that Jabari went down with an Injury.

[Mawly-G]

Had this kid on my fantasy team all year. Well deserved. Kid is going to be a star in a few years. Would have been really awesome to see Parker develop this year though.

[Random_Guy]

no surprise there, but whether he will be the generational talent that everyone believed he would be depends on his play in his next year. not to impressed with this rookie season considering the hype, but hopefullt he explodes next year

[veilside23]

well deserved.

Dude has been getting respect from greats.. and that includes harden, dwade, kobe and lebron.. who are we to bash this kid ? Really ... enough with the hate on andrew. Lets just enjoy the show. I am really excited and I hoping the best is yet to come for andrew.

Interview with today's superstars
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/video/2015/03/30/WigginsSotsFTRmp4-3559486/?utm_content=The+Stars+on+Wiggins+FB%2FGG&utm_campaign=&utm_source=14499&utm_term=1430352070&utm_medium=Facebook%3A+Minnesota+Timberwolves

[Harison]

Well deserved :applause:

[WadeBronDonJuan]

Is Jabari eligible for ROY next year, since he was injured so early in the season?

[Imtheman]

Is Jabari eligible for ROY next year, since he was injured so early in the season?
No. Only if he hasn't played any games this season

[red1]

:applause: Not much debate here, well earned.

Key indicator for success? Irrational haters. Exhibit A:

Finishes with 13.97 PER, leads team in negative plus minus.

Negative offensive AND defensive adjusted plus/minus, negative VORP

[Dave3]

:applause: Not much debate here, well earned.

Key indicator for success? Irrational haters. Exhibit A:
His VORP bro, his VORP!

[Shep]

Trash decision. Elfrid Payton was the most deserving Rookie. Nerlins Noel was also more deserving, as was Nikola Mirotic.

[fiddy]

:applause: Not much debate here, well earned.

Key indicator for success? Irrational haters. Exhibit A:
Noel?

Trash decision. Elfrid Payton was the most deserving Rookie. Nerlins Noel was also more deserving, as was Nikola Mirotic.
Hi Jaqueer.

[FireDavidKahn]

Well deserved:applause: :bowdown:

[FireDavidKahn]

Think Nerlens overtook him later in the season but can't argue with the selection.
No doubt Noel was damn good in the latter part of the season, but Wiggins was good throughout the entire year. Noel is gonna be a beast for years to come.

[FireDavidKahn]

Post ASB

Wiggins
20.0 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.3 apg, .9 spg, .7 bpg, 45% from the floor, 16 ****ING PERCENT from 3pt range.


Nerlens
13.1 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.9 apg, 2.1 spg, 2.3 bpg, 49% from the floor.

Wiggins scored more (he took more shots) and assisted more (slightly, slightly, for a guard, slightly, but he had the ball in his hands more), but other than that, what did he do better than Nerlens? He didnt rebound better. His defense wasnt better. He shot worse from the floor.

I get Wiggins had a nice start to the season, I had him on my fantasy team all season. But Nerlens had an excellent second half of the season, better than Wiggins IMO. The numbers he put up from a rookie stand point hadn't been done since rookie David Robinson.

Like I said, I think Nerlens overtook Wiggins and had a better second half of the season. That's exactly what I said, and that's exactly what I mean.
Not to be a hater, but Wiggins shot better from <10ft than Noel:bowdown:
Wiggins:
At rim: 65.9% 234 FGM / 355 FGA
3' to < 10': 34.7% 76 FGM / 219 FGA
Total %: 54%
Noel:
At rim: 66.2% 200 FGM / 302 FGA
3' to < 10': 28.8% 62 FGM / 215 FGA
Total: 51%

It's no surprise that Wiggins overall percentage is lower since he is a wing player.

[lilandywiggins]

Not to be a hater, but Wiggins shot better from <10ft than Noel:bowdown:
Wiggins:
At rim: 65.9% 234 FGM / 355 FGA
3' to < 10': 34.7% 76 FGM / 219 FGA
Total %: 54%
Noel:
At rim: 66.2% 200 FGM / 302 FGA
3' to < 10': 28.8% 62 FGM / 215 FGA
Total: 51%

It's no surprise that Wiggins overall percentage is lower since he is a wing player.

:bowdown:

[UK2K]

Not to be a hater, but Wiggins shot better from <10ft than Noel:bowdown:
Wiggins:
At rim: 65.9% 234 FGM / 355 FGA
3' to < 10': 34.7% 76 FGM / 219 FGA
Total %: 54%
Noel:
At rim: 66.2% 200 FGM / 302 FGA
3' to < 10': 28.8% 62 FGM / 215 FGA
Total: 51%

It's no surprise that Wiggins overall percentage is lower since he is a wing player.

To be honest I'm surprised Noel even took that many shots outside of 3 feet.

Why? No reason to if you're him.

I mean you can pick one stat out of all of them and make a case, but Nerlens season post ASB was better than Wiggins season post ASB. That's the truth. The numbers show it.

Wiggins won the award based on the first two months and name recognition..

I mean, Wiggins shot 16% from the 3pt line after the ASB. 16%. 16. Sixteen.

That's our ROY right there.

[FireDavidKahn]

To be honest I'm surprised Noel even took that many shots outside of 3 feet.

Why? No reason to if you're him.

I mean you can pick one stat out of all of them and make a case, but Nerlens season post ASB was better than Wiggins season post ASB. That's the truth. The numbers show it.

Wiggins won the award based on the first two months and name recognition..

I mean, Wiggins shot 16% from the 3pt line after the ASB. 16%. 16. Sixteen.

That's our ROY right there.
:facepalm

[UK2K]

:facepalm
Except I didn't just post his 3pt %.

I posted everything he had done after the ASB, which wasn't impressive.

[SugarHill]

Except I didn't just post his 3pt %.

I posted everything he had done after the ASB, which wasn't impressive.

You said he won because of the first few months and name value but that's not true considering his overall stats improved every single month. How is that possible if his level of play was declining from his "hot start". In fact, Wiggins wasn't very good his first 3 months.

He averaged 21/5/3 @ 44 FG% and 53 TS% for his last two months. That's impressive for a 19 year old rookie and easily a viable RoTY winner.

[Dave3]

@SHowardCooper: Rookie of the Year results: Wiggins first, Mirotic second, Noel third, Payton fourth, Smart fifth, Nurkic sixth, Clarkson seventh.


Update on voting

[Dave3]

You said he won because of the first few months and name value but that's not true considering his overall stats improved every single month. How is that possible if his level of play was declining from his "hot start". In fact, Wiggins wasn't very good his first 3 months.

He averaged 21/5/3 @ 44 FG% and 53 TS% for his last two months. That's impressive for a 19 year old rookie and easily a viable RoTY winner.
Not very impressive bro. He only won it cuz of his first 2 months when he averaged 13/4/1.

I'm really hoping he's able to take that post all star attitude and play and build on it for next year. Most people are saying they're seeing a 20/5/3 season next year from him. I feel like he can make the jump to 24/6/3. He needs to crash the defensive boards though. He attacks the offensive glass relentlessly. Had more offensive rebounds this year than Durant, Kobe, or even LeBron ever had in their career. Want to see him put the same attention to the defensive glass, and he'll easily be up to 6 or 7 boards a game.

[Cold soul]

Congrats Wiggins! The future is now. :pimp:

[FireDavidKahn]

Not very impressive bro. He only won it cuz of his first 2 months when he averaged 13/4/1.

I'm really hoping he's able to take that post all star attitude and play and build on it for next year. Most people are saying they're seeing a 20/5/3 season next year from him. I feel like he can make the jump to 24/6/3. He needs to crash the defensive boards though. He attacks the offensive glass relentlessly. Had more offensive rebounds this year than Durant, Kobe, or even LeBron ever had in their career. Want to see him put the same attention to the defensive glass, and he'll easily be up to 6 or 7 boards a game.
Again, I understand you aren't hating on Wiggins, but how is

21/5/3 @ 44 FG% and 53 TS% for his last two months
Not impressive?

Edit: He also averaged 8.25 FTA during that span. AS A ROOKIE

[SugarHill]

Again, I understand you aren't hating on Wiggins, but how is

Not impressive?
he was being sarcastic

[FireDavidKahn]

he was being sarcastic
Doh:hammerhead:

[Dave3]

Again, I understand you aren't hating on Wiggins, but how is

Not impressive?
I was being sarcastic lol. I'm showing it's a bit ridiculous saying Wiggins won the award because of his first 2 months, even though in the first 2 months he put up 13/4 and post all star put up 20/5. Players like Noel, Clarkson, Mirotic, and Payton all stepped up and I'm not denying it, but can't act like Wiggins didn't also step up his game as the season progressed as well.

[Legends66NBA7]

Wiggins vs Leonard will be the SF version of Garnett vs Duncan.

Just looking for a way to compare the 2, so I settled for the franchise similarities first.

[FireDavidKahn]

Damn, this is nice::rockon: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD3RSDlW8AERfFr.jpg

[Meticode]

Weird picture.

[UK2K]

You said he won because of the first few months and name value but that's not true considering his overall stats improved every single month. How is that possible if his level of play was declining from his "hot start". In fact, Wiggins wasn't very good his first 3 months.

He averaged 21/5/3 @ 44 FG% and 53 TS% for his last two months. That's impressive for a 19 year old rookie and easily a viable RoTY winner.

He won because in the first few months Nerlens was doo doo, Jabari got hurt, and Mirotic wasn't playing much yet.

It has nothing to do with Wiggins. It has everything to do with his name getting out there early.

As I said, and I'll say it again, Nerlens had a better season post ASB.

[Meticode]

So by that logic the award should be Rookie of the Post All-Star Break Award.

[JellyBean]

Congrats, Andrew :applause:

There is some life back at the Target Center. We have a pulse.

[UK2K]

So by that logic the award should be Rookie of the Post All-Star Break Award.
Maybe it should be called Rookie of the Pre-All Star Break?

[Meticode]

Maybe it should be called Rookie of the Pre-All Star Break?
Not sure why you mentioned this. My stance has been that Noel had the better second half of the season than anyone obviously, but Wiggins had the better "overall" season. Hell, Noel didn't even finish second in the award voting.

[SugarHill]

He won because in the first few months Nerlens was doo doo, Jabari got hurt, and Mirotic wasn't playing much yet.

It has nothing to do with Wiggins. It has everything to do with his name getting out there early.

As I said, and I'll say it again, Nerlens had a better season post ASB.
He was ass the first few months :facepalm

[veilside23]

Trash decision. Elfrid Payton was the most deserving Rookie. Nerlins Noel was also more deserving, as was Nikola Mirotic.


I hope its clear rookie of the YEAR! ... while mirotic payton and noel had games where they looked better sadly it was for 2 months... Also Wiggins started all 82 games as a freaking rookie... give the guy a break for your sake

[Shep]

I hope its clear rookie of the YEAR! ... while mirotic payton and noel had games where they looked better sadly it was for 2 months... Also Wiggins started all 82 games as a freaking rookie... give the guy a break for your sake
I know it is Rookie of the Year, which is why Payton was the real Rookie of the Year. It isn't Rookie of the worst team in the NBA, or Rookie on the Team That Won 24 Less Games Than The Previous Season, no, it is Rookie of the Year and Elfrid Payton was the real Rookie of the Year.

[DMV2]

He won it back in January when he dropped a bunch of 20+ point games. I think he got a couple of 30+ games too at that time. Around the same time Parker got injured.

[JtotheIzzo]

glad to see Shep is still retarded (this is the guy who said DRob was better than Shaq and Hakeem).

seriously though, 110 out of the 130 votes, that is basically everyone minus the hometown homers and the haters.

The simple fact of the matter is, Wiggins played in every game, and he got better as the season progressed. He is now at a point where he could snatch a third team all NBA spot in the next two years, especially if he picks up where he left off and his learning curve is at the same angle.

Logging the amount of floor time he did as a rookie is something to celebrate, not to negate, it shows toughness, maturity and durability.

Adding a blue chip piece in the draft and a couple of good vets during free agency will put the Wolves in the 30 win range next year, with Wiggins near 20ppg with 4 dimes and 6 plus boards. He will be a borderline all star selection.

The shit he had to work with last year left him on an island, with some help, he will flourish.

Anyone who hates this kid or doubts his future is a moron.

Congrats.

[veilside23]

I know it is Rookie of the Year, which is why Payton was the real Rookie of the Year. It isn't Rookie of the worst team in the NBA, or Rookie on the Team That Won 24 Less Games Than The Previous Season, no, it is Rookie of the Year and Elfrid Payton was the real Rookie of the Year.


Nothing bad against payton but dude had a lot of times where he looked lost in the offense... i know he would be better but he isnt even in top 3 ... there is also a reason why wiggins won it because he started all 82 games he may have a coupe of nights off but he averaged 20ppg for more than a month without rubio on number of games.

please post the year stats for payton. from game 1 to 82.. see for yourself

after watching the interview he mentioned he wants to be part of the all star game since its going to be in Toronto and for being the first rookie of the year for the franchise . Andrew's motivation and dedication to get better should not be a question.

Am not being a homer but he can actually make klay thompson a run for his money for being the sg after harden and kobe(if he is healthy).

on the bolded part please state your reason why payton should be rookie of the aside from the fact that they won more games

[lilandywiggins]

Damn, this is nice::rockon: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD3RSDlW8AERfFr.jpg

:applause:

[MJistheGOAT]

Nice for the kid

But please don

[noob cake]

noob cake said "negative VORP"

http://img.pandawhale.com/80863-Tom-Cruise-laughing-gif-Imgur-BzbT.gif

I knew your diminutive brain would not understand any aspect of advanced stats.

Wiggins hurts his team while putting up stats not even at league average efficiency. In fact, Wiggins' PER is so poor that we have to go back to 1973-1974 to find a rookie of the year winner with worse PER (Ernie DiGregorio, who?). In addition, in the last 40 years, only one other rookie of the year (in addition to Wiggins and Ernie) has had below 15 PER (Darrell Griffith)

And looking at Winshare/48, Wiggins has posted the 6th lowest WS/48 during 63 years of NBA history.

[ArbitraryWater]

negative VORP, bro

Hoping he'll step his VORP game up in the future

[AirBourne92]

negative VORP, bro

Hoping he'll step his VORP game up in the future


arbitrary reject

[04mzwach]

I knew your diminutive brain would not understand any aspect of advanced stats.

Wiggins hurts his team while putting up stats not even at league average efficiency. In fact, Wiggins' PER is so poor that we have to go back to 1973-1974 to find a rookie of the year winner with worse PER (Ernie DiGregorio, who?). In addition, in the last 40 years, only one other rookie of the year (in addition to Wiggins and Ernie) has had below 15 PER (Darrell Griffith)

And looking at Winshare/48, Wiggins has posted the 6th lowest WS/48 during 63 years of NBA history.
STFU...lol. Wiggins is so much better than stats could tell.

[Shep]

glad to see Shep is still retarded (this is the guy who said DRob was better than Shaq and Hakeem).
:lol this ****in loser. The guy with the screen name of a 10 year old. When did I say Robinson was better than Shaq and Hakeem "JtotheIzzo"?

Nothing bad against payton but dude had a lot of times where he looked lost in the offense... i know he would be better but he isnt even in top 3 ... there is also a reason why wiggins won it because he started all 82 games he may have a coupe of nights off but he averaged 20ppg for more than a month without rubio on number of games
Congrats to Wiggins for averaging 20ppg for a month with no other offensive options on his team, meanwhile his team wins 3 of those games, and loses 17. Great accomplishment :bowdown:

please post the year stats for payton. from game 1 to 82.. see for yourself
No need to post game for game stats. 1st in assists by double the next best, 2nd in steals, top 10 in rebounds and points, led his team in plus minus. 1 of only 7 Rookies in NBA history to post 2 triple doubles in a row. You talk about 20 ppg a month? I will take 13 points, 6 rebounds, 9 assists, and 2 steals for a month.

Am not being a homer but he can actually make klay thompson a run for his money for being the sg after harden and kobe(if he is healthy).
:roll: He probably isn't even top 25 sg actually.

on the bolded part please state your reason why payton should be rookie of the aside from the fact that they won more games
destroyed.

[bballnoob1192]

Finishes with 13.97 PER, leads team in negative plus minus.

Negative offensive AND defensive adjusted plus/minus, negative VORP
wtf is VORP. lol these gddamn advance metrics. maybe i'm too old for basketball now.

[BIG FURB]

Am not being a homer but he can actually make klay thompson a run for his money for being the sg after harden and kobe(if he is healthy)

Uhhhh, Jimmy Butler?

[veilside23]

Uhhhh, Jimmy Butler?


is jimmy butler playing in the east? damn talking about about making the all star.

[veilside23]

:lol this ****in loser. The guy with the screen name of a 10 year old. When did I say Robinson was better than Shaq and Hakeem "JtotheIzzo"?

Congrats to Wiggins for averaging 20ppg for a month with no other offensive options on his team, meanwhile his team wins 3 of those games, and loses 17. Great accomplishment :bowdown:

No need to post game for game stats. 1st in assists by double the next best, 2nd in steals, top 10 in rebounds and points, led his team in plus minus. 1 of only 7 Rookies in NBA history to post 2 triple doubles in a row. You talk about 20 ppg a month? I will take 13 points, 6 rebounds, 9 assists, and 2 steals for a month.

:roll: He probably isn't even top 25 sg actually.

destroyed.


destroyed? are you freaking serious.. give me a rookie of the year that average 8 ppg despite being 1 in assist which obviously he should be because he is a freaking pg for crying out loud...

Wiggins is on top 10 every category as a rookie, the only category where he isnt in top 10 is 3pt shooting, payton is not even in the free throw dude needs serious work there.

Andrew Wiggins went to the line to most as a rookie number 6 overall and has converted 72% its not great i know but he did all that and started all 82 games.

http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-rookie-stat-leaders.shtml

go read... the only thing that payton has an advantage over wiggins would be steals and assist. assist could be voided because he is a PG . so you would take a rookie of the year based on steals?

[JtotheIzzo]

:lol this ****in loser. The guy with the screen name of a 10 year old. When did I say Robinson was better than Shaq and Hakeem "JtotheIzzo"?

Congrats to Wiggins for averaging 20ppg for a month with no other offensive options on his team, meanwhile his team wins 3 of those games, and loses 17. Great accomplishment :bowdown:

No need to post game for game stats. 1st in assists by double the next best, 2nd in steals, top 10 in rebounds and points, led his team in plus minus. 1 of only 7 Rookies in NBA history to post 2 triple doubles in a row. You talk about 20 ppg a month? I will take 13 points, 6 rebounds, 9 assists, and 2 steals for a month.

:roll: He probably isn't even top 25 sg actually.

destroyed.

destroyed?:lol I think the word is clowned, as in me clowning you. Its OK tho sport, tards are known for selective memory...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1430162&postcount=12

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2908262&postcount=40

I figured I throw this one in just for fun.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2291711&postcount=54

there are tons of gems I omitted, but picking on the handicap isn't that rewarding.

Cheers, Sheppie!

[Shep]

destroyed? are you freaking serious.. give me a rookie of the year that average 8 ppg despite being 1 in assist which obviously he should be because he is a freaking pg for crying out loud...
He averaged 9 ppg, not 8 ppg. So why wasn't any other Point Guard #1 in assists because ALL YOU NEED TO BE IS A POINT GUARD according to you. Payton not only was #1 in assists, but he almost DOUBLED the #2's total. You argue that because he is a point guard so he should average the most assists, by that same logic Wiggins should average the most points BECAUSE HE IS A SHOOTING GUARD.

Wiggins is on top 10 every category as a rookie, the only category where he isnt in top 10 is 3pt shooting, payton is not even in the free throw dude needs serious work there.
That does not make sense, you start out with "Wiggins is on top 10 every category as a rookie" followed by "the only category where he isnt in top 10 is 3pt shooting". :hammerhead: Wiggins is also not top 10 in apg. Wiggins needs serious work in winning games, unfortunately he wasn't top 29 in terms of games won.

Andrew Wiggins went to the line to most as a rookie number 6 overall and has converted 72% its not great i know but he did all that and started all 82 games.
Payton was able to lead the NBA in apg for the last month of the season, and also was top 14 in the league in both apg and spg.

go read... the only thing that payton has an advantage over wiggins would be steals and assist. assist could be voided because he is a PG . so you would take a rookie of the year based on steals?
:lol this loser. I've already showed you why Payton was a more valid choice of RoY. All you seem to be doing is stating that OMG WIGGINS SCORE MORE POINT MUST RESULTS IN ROY.

destroyed? I think the word is clowned, as in me clowning you. Its OK tho sport, tards are known for selective memory...
:roll: I wasn't talking you you. As in you are a clown, as in a joke, or otherwise **** off.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...2&postcount=12

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...2&postcount=40

I figured I throw this one in just for fun.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1&postcount=54

there are tons of gems I omitted, but picking on the handicap isn't that rewarding.
I don't see anything wrong with those posts? All were facts at that time. So far you haven't brought anything of worth, but by all means keep trying. ******s need all the encouragement they can get.

[Dave3]

I don't see anything wrong with those posts? All were facts at that time. So far you haven't brought anything of worth, but by all means keep trying. ******s need all the encouragement they can get.
You asked "When did I say "Robinson>Shaq/Olajuwan" and he quoted the exact post you did.

Man up.

[Shep]

You asked "When did I say "Robinson>Shaq/Olajuwan" and he quoted the exact post you did.

Man up.
Lol **** off. You can remember every post you ever made? As I said, if I stated those things they were facts at that time. What is the problem?

[Legends66NBA7]

I have to know why Robinson > Hakeem and Shaq at the time (2008 and 2009).

[JtotheIzzo]

I don't see anything wrong with those posts? All were facts at that time. So far you haven't brought anything of worth, but by all means keep trying. ******s need all the encouragement they can get.

So it was valid in 2009 but not now. What happened, Hakeem kick some ass in a charity old timers game and that vaulted him past Robinson in the rankings?

Ohhhhh Sheppie!!!!

[Shep]

I have to know why Robinson > Hakeem and Shaq at the time (2008 and 2009).
I am sure I was asked that question at that time and gave very reasonable responses as to why I felt that way.

So it was valid in 2009 but not now.
Well if we are talking about all-time rankings no it is not valid due to the reason that I have stated otherwise.