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CavaliersFTW
05-02-2015, 12:54 AM
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In the article he mentions something very interesting about Russell, and a player named Walter Dukes.

I've been researching a lot of players via Newspapers of that era and prior (1940's and 50's) to try and get a handle on who the top players in the nation were, and what was written about the attributes they had that made them stand out compared with others. Contrary to what is often said today, there were a LOT of names of guys claimed to be 6-8 to 7-0 playing in the Nation back then. Perhaps they weren't all organized to compete against each other as regularly as today (the matchups of two players in the 6-10 range often made headlines) but they were in the nation. Only a few got press to play pro though, like Kurland, Lovellette, Mikan, Dukes, Felix etc.

Walter Dukes being one of them, was 6 feet 11 inches tall (listed as 7-0 in the NBA but cited as 6-11 at Seton Hall - likely exaggerated in the NBA). He came along already 22 years of age in his 4th year of college playing basketball in 1953, several years before anyone would ever learn who Chamberlain or Russell was, and he was detailed as the fastest big man that plays the game, a fine shooter, ball handler, and passer. 6-11. Track and Field athlete that was competitive in the quarter mile and high jumps 6 feet 6 inches in competition..... whoah wait a minute, sound familiar? All the physical attributes and Track and Field background that would later make Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell famous. He's cited by Red in the above article as actually being faster than Russell and a better shooter. Yet today we look back and nobody remembers him, because he for whatever reasons never revolutionized the NBA, while Wilt and Russell did despite him having an 8 year career in the NBA. It's interesting to me to know that a player in the physical mold of them (7 footer coordinated Track and Field stud) did not make noise in the NBA like they did. And that they are not the first to break into the league with that mold.

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TylerOO
05-02-2015, 12:55 AM
:roll:

bballnoob1192
05-02-2015, 12:56 AM
CAVSFTW off his pills again

CavaliersFTW
05-02-2015, 01:01 AM
This is an interesting informative post if you enjoy some the history of the game, and one of the games legends Red Aurbach. I don't know what would make someone think the post is funny.

Harison
05-02-2015, 01:28 AM
Good read, thanks.

Hit_Em
05-02-2015, 02:18 AM
bruh...there is no way i am reading all that.cliff notes please

Droid101
05-02-2015, 02:22 AM
Yeah man. It's true that computers were as advanced in 1971 as they are now.

amirite?

CavaliersFTW
05-02-2015, 02:29 AM
Yeah man. It's true that computers were as advanced in 1971 as they are now.

amirite?
It's just some insight into how Aurbach scouted players. No need to stew on the headline.

CavaliersFTW
05-02-2015, 02:31 AM
bruh...there is no way i am reading all that.cliff notes please
Only the first article is to the thread title. Surely you've got time to read one article, if not than come back when you do. Can't really cliffnote how a guy breaks down how he scouts players, the article uses about as few words as is possible as it is.

Droid101
05-02-2015, 03:09 AM
It's just some insight into how Aurbach scouted players. No need to stew on the headline.
I"M MAD BRO TROLLING ETCETERA

chips93
05-02-2015, 10:13 AM
what was the standard for a good shooting/passing big man back then

i suspect the bar was quite a lot lower

Doranku
05-02-2015, 10:16 AM
In other words, Auerbach believed in the eye test over analytics :applause: No wonder he was such a successful coach.

Eric Cartman
05-02-2015, 01:24 PM
In other words, Auerbach believed in the eye test over analytics :applause: No wonder he was such a successful coach.

This.

Would've taken Kobe over Lebron no doubt.

jongib369
05-02-2015, 03:26 PM
https://youtu.be/Z5q1yaPiyXg