Duncan is NOT top 5 all time

[dubeta]

Look what he's done

2007 - Was a secondary option averaging 18, 11. Lost a FMVP to an above average PG


2008- Lost in 5 to the Lakers

2009- Lost in the 1st ROUND :yaohappy:

2010- SWEPT by the Suns in the 2nd round :biggums:

2011- Lost in the 1st round as a 1st seed (:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: ) Think about that a 1st seed losing to the 8th




(Notice how losing in the 1st round is a common theme)




2012- Backdoor swept in the WCF, averaged a measly 17 and 9

2013- Had the biggest collapse in NBA history, lost a championship up 3-2 while being up 5 with 28 seconds left. Missed the clutch shot in Game 7


2014- Lost a FMVP averaging 15 and 7 (Not much different from being Robert Horry)

2015- Lost in the 1st round (Again, not surprised) while being up 3-2


So a 16-17ppg scorer averaging 10 rebounds is top 5 all time? :facepalm :facepalm





Glad the over-excitement from the 2014 championship died down, and we see Duncan for who he truly is.


http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tim-Duncan-AP-e1369928184247.jpg


Do you truly consider him great?

[navy]

Did the forum crash unban everyone?

[Nuff Said]

how does he compare to other 39 year olds all-time? that'll answer the question

[Wade's Rings]

In 2008 he lost in the Conference Finals.

[toxicxr6]

Tim Duncan carried this Spurs team against the clips.. He was easily the best Spurs player through the series.. Not even close.. Guy is amazing and I really hope the Spurs can retool with Duncan coming back again and make another run.. Tim was amazing this series and it's not his fault Spurs lost

[SCdac]

Dude lead the Spurs in scoring tonight with 27 points at the age of 39...

:biggums:

[DMAVS41]

How you know you're top 5 all time?

At age 39 in a road playoff game 7 you do:

27/11 with 0 turnovers...


And you have haters...

Top 4 all time!

[dubeta]

How you know you're top 5 all time?

At age 39 in a road playoff game 7 you do:

27/11 with 0 turnovers...


And you have haters...

Top 4 all time!

He's almost as big a choker as Dirk :biggums:


Both are addicted to losing in the 1st round as #1 seeds :oldlol:

[jimmybball]

Nice obvious troll, OP.

[BuffaloBill]

Duncan was the only thing keeping the Spurs in this series. The only consistent starter.

[rmt]

27 pts, 11 rebs 69%FG at 39 years old - obvious troll.

[gcvbcat]

Tim Duncan should have an * in front & behind his name on whichever list he is ever on.

Bullshit.

[Beastmode88]

He's almost as big a choker as Dirk :biggums:


Both are addicted to losing in the 1st round as #1 seeds :oldlol:

Didnt dirk beat down lebron? :rolleyes:

[Cold soul]

How you know you're top 5 all time?

At age 39 in a road playoff game 7 you do:

27/11 with 0 turnovers...


And you have haters...

Top 4 all time!

He isn't top 4 don't be foolish and biased.

[dubeta]

We need to congratulate Duncan for an illustrious career, give him a pat on his back, and accept him as a top 12-15 player all time

[DMAVS41]

He isn't top 4 don't be foolish and biased.

I'm a Mavs/Dirk fan and don't like the Spurs.

He's in my top 4 and he has as good a case as any to be there.

[Marchesk]

Lebron has a ways to go to catch Duncan.

[Smoke117]

This needed a thread? I don't remember a lot of people saying he was top 5.

[Sarcastic]

Anyone that had him in their top 5 because of a first round game, needs to have their head examined.

He's got a good case for 7-10 range. That's about it.

[GoSpursGo1984]

Look what he's done

2007 - Was a secondary option averaging 18, 11. Lost a FMVP to an above average PG


2008- Lost in 5 to the Lakers

2009- Lost in the 1st ROUND :yaohappy:

2010- SWEPT by the Suns in the 2nd round :biggums:

2011- Lost in the 1st round as a 1st seed (:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: ) Think about that a 1st seed losing to the 8th




(Notice how losing in the 1st round is a common theme)




2012- Backdoor swept in the WCF, averaged a measly 17 and 9

2013- Had the biggest collapse in NBA history, lost a championship up 3-2 while being up 5 with 28 seconds left. Missed the clutch shot in Game 7


2014- Lost a FMVP averaging 15 and 7 (Not much different from being Robert Horry)

2015- Lost in the 1st round (Again, not surprised) while being up 3-2


So a 16-17ppg scorer averaging 10 rebounds is top 5 all time? :facepalm :facepalm





Glad the over-excitement from the 2014 championship died down, and we see Duncan for who he truly is.


http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tim-Duncan-AP-e1369928184247.jpg


Do you truly consider him great?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/49/38/c8/4938c884b53dfa48c8c4d5b91529a296.jpg

[COnDEMnED]

Neither is Lebron, but these are things we already know. Duncan is in the 6,7,8 range. Lebron is in the 12,11,10 range.
Duncan>Lebron

[Showtime2001]

He may not be top 5 but he's definitely better than LeBron.

[Mr Feeny]

He isn't top 4 don't be foolish and biased.

He arguably is. I agree with him and I think most people generally have Duncan at 4-7 all time by this point .

Tremendous performance in a game 7 tonight, incidentally. 11-16 shooting for 27, 11 is just marvelous for a 39 year old.

[Angel Face]

He isn't, he's higher than Lebron tho and Lebron is his favorite punching bag. Lebron hasn't crack top 10 yet.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Anyone that had him in their top 5 because of a first round game, needs to have their head examined.

He's got a good case for 7-10 range. That's about it.


nope,i have him in my top 5 for his 5 rings,3 FMVP's,2 MVP's...all time leader in playoffs for double-double

[TheMan]

We need to congratulate Duncan for an illustrious career, give him a pat on his back, and accept him as a top 12-15 player all time
Da fuq outta here, fggot :mad:

We're gonna troll your retarded ass hard after Bran comes up short again this season. Go to sleep, way past your bedtime.

[Odinn]

Anyone that had him in their top 5 because of a first round game, needs to have their head examined.

He's got a good case for 7-10 range. That's about it.
It's not like that the Spurs got eliminated from the Pelicans or the Mavs or the Blazers.

The Spurs vs. The Clippers could easily be a good 2nd round series or even CF, if their paths were different.

Duncan averaged nearly 36 mpg, the highest of his team, at the age of 39. 18/11/3/1/1 on .595 ts%. 26.9 efficiency.

The blame is on majorly Pop and Parker. Duncan busted his @ss of for the wins.
The Spurs only once didn't require Duncan's help much to win. Other than that game, Duncan was 20/12/3/1/1 on .617 ts%. 29.3 efficiency.

---

Duncan won't be earning a spot in top 5 due to this series. I kinda get what you're saying. But you have to recognize what he's capable at this age as greatness. And stop trying to discredit him every thread you see on the first page. I'm a fan of Duncan and I rank him as 6th. Duncan doesn't have a case against Jordan, Kareem and Russell. But, there can be a case for him over anyone else. So, people can claim he's 4th or 8th.

[nzahir]

Neither is Lebron, but these are things we already know. Duncan is in the 6,7,8 range. Lebron is in the 12,11,10 range.
Duncan>Lebron
Lol just stop it, if you really have guys like russel, wilt, kobe, and maybe even duncan you need to reevaluate your list

[SaltyMeatballs]

He's borderline top 5 imo. 6-8 area

[AirFederer]

He's in my top five 😎

[warriorfan]

Duncan is 3rd all time now

[r0drig0lac]

it is clearly TOP 5, and is higher than Lebron .. in fact it is MUCH higher than lebron

[Smoke117]

Duncan is 3rd all time now

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2e/2e01ee9d1ad2b81a2fd43a575d974c069ae18a509067eb3322 2dfe9e143ced0e.jpg

[ThePhantomCreep]

Few posters had him in their top 5 before the 2014 title. Now all of a sudden he's top 3-4?

Did I miss the part where Duncan, playing 33 postseason minutes a night, carried those monstrously stacked Spurs to a title? Why is that ring being given so much weight?

[Derka]

He's borderline 5, 6-8 for certain. Would love to see him make one more run.

[SwayDizzle]

he is GOAT #6

[pastis]

duncan 5-8
lebron 5-8
kobe 11-15

:cheers:

[knickscity]

Jordan, Kareem, Russel, Bird, Magic are top 5 imo (not in order). i dont see whom Duncan is bumping out. Certainly in the top 10, wouldnt really argue he could be 6th, he certainly has the resume for it.

[sportjames23]

MJ, Magic, Bird, Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq and Hakeem are all Top 8. No one's bumping them out of the way.

[Meticode]

Timothy Duncan is legit 6-9 on most lists where people have a clue.

[Meticode]

MJ, Magic, Bird, Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq and Hakeem are all Top 8. No one's bumping them out of the way.
Bye bye Hakeem. Duncan's ahead of him for me.

[NumberSix]

He's an all time great, but let's be real. There have been 5 better players. Maybe not 10 better players, but there have been 5.

[Dr Hawk]

MJ, Kareem and Hakeem are ahead of Duncan IMO. Shaq and Magic too, maybe.

(I don't name Wilt or Russell because I don't have them ranked yet).

For me, Duncan is around 4-5-6

[Anaximandro1]

Age 39 , Duncan on the road (three games decided by less than five points)

Game 2 -> 28 pt / 11 rb / 4 as (TS% .597)
Game 5 -> 21 pt / 11 rb / 4 as (TS% .671)
Game 7 -> 27 pt / 11 rb / 1 as (TS% .692)


to find a career like Duncan's, you have to go back to Kareem.

Kareem is #4 (Russell and Wilt deserve the benefit of the doubt) and Duncan is # 5


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CFM2t3ayakA/VUYmxVBRTLI/AAAAAAAAEWg/elbe-tE2Zaw/s1600/Sin%2Bt%C3%ADtulo.jpg


BTW

TOP individual Playoff Runs (Title Runs since 1974)

BPM -> Box Score Estimate of the points per 100 Possessions a player contributed above a league-average player, translated to an average team

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bsqHo2AUZ_o/VNngkPAie1I/AAAAAAAADxA/wvbBCAwmKI8/s1600/8.jpg



Anyway, I'm very proud of the Spurs, especially Parker and Manu, but Father Time is undefeated ... thank you, Manu.

Tim looks like he's got at least another two years ... Kawhi + Duncan + Aldridge would be awesome.

[NumberSix]

MJ, Kareem and Hakeem are ahead of Duncan IMO. Shaq and Magic too, maybe.

(I don't name Wilt or Russell because I don't have them ranked yet).

For me, Duncan is around 4-5-6
Anyone who thinks Duncan is a better player than Hakeem was simply didn't watch Hakeem play.

[Psileas]

Great as Duncan is, seems to me a bit hypocritical that he suddenly gets so much top-5 love: When Duncan was winning titles in his actual prime (1999-07), I don't remember many arguing for him being top 4-5 of all-time, because his prime/peak wasn't at that level. Then, from 2008 to 2012, his dominance started slipping and his title winning came to a halt, which brought Duncan down to near obscurity levels for a supposed top-5 GOAT. His name wouldn't even appear once for multiple pages/days in a row, even in serious NBA sites. His legacy gained nothing during those years. Then, in 2013, he returned to title contending with a clearly reduced role compared to his prime and thus he's suddenly become top-5? Seriously, unless his individual impact is, in some way, as large as it's ever been in his prime, how gripped on team success and past prime longevity do you have to be in order to believe he's suddenly become top-5 because he won his X'th title at 38 (yes, even as a very good 38 y.o) while playing for the most well-run and professional team of the 21st century? Thing is, if Duncan wasn't considered anywhere very near top-5 back in 2007, there's no good reason to believe he's become that now.

[LAZERUSS]

Great as Duncan is, seems to me a bit hypocritical that he suddenly gets so much top-5 love: When Duncan was winning titles in his actual prime (1999-07), I don't remember many arguing for him being top 4-5 of all-time, because his prime/peak wasn't at that level. Then, from 2008 to 2012, his dominance started slipping and his title winning came to a halt, which brought Duncan down to near obscurity levels for a supposed top-5 GOAT. His name wouldn't even appear once for multiple pages/days in a row, even in serious NBA sites. His legacy gained nothing during those years. Then, in 2013, he returned to title contending with a clearly reduced role compared to his prime and thus he's suddenly become top-5? Seriously, unless his individual impact is, in some way, as large as it's ever been in his prime, how gripped on team success do you have to be in order to believe he's suddenly become top-5 because he won his X'th title at 38 (yes, even as a very good 38 y.o) while playing for the most well-run and professional team of the 21st century?

This.

Duncan has no claim to a Top-5...at all.

Top-10 yes.

[Meticode]

I'm not arguing, but why do people put Hakeem over Duncan at this point? I always put him over Hakeem because I feel Tim has the better logevity and the more important accolades.

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/d/tim_duncan_vs_hakeem_olajuwon.htm

[LAZERUSS]

I'm not arguing, but why do people put Hakeem over Duncan at this point? I always put him over Hakeem because I feel Tim has the better logevity and the more important accolades.

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/d/tim_duncan_vs_hakeem_olajuwon.htm

Hakeem is even more over-rated on ISH than Duncan.

Hakeem had, at best, a higher peak...albeit, very short. Duncan's overall career just blows Hakeem's away.

[MEB2kDeez]

Few posters had him in their top 5 before the 2014 title. Now all of a sudden he's top 3-4?

Did I miss the part where Duncan, playing 33 postseason minutes a night, carried those monstrously stacked Spurs to a title? Why is that ring being given so much weight?
Lol this, Duncan has an argument for 6-10 but Top 5? That's reaching.

[Legends66NBA7]

Lol this, Duncan has an argument for 5-10 but Top 5? That's reaching.

You mean 6-10 ? Because an argument for 5-10 doesn't mean it's reaching.

Even then, it's not a reach at 6-10. There's not some enormous gap between 5 and 6.

[Paul George 24]

Look what he's done

2007 - Was a secondary option averaging 18, 11. Lost a FMVP to an above average PG


2008- Lost in 5 to the Lakers

2009- Lost in the 1st ROUND :yaohappy:

2010- SWEPT by the Suns in the 2nd round :biggums:

2011- Lost in the 1st round as a 1st seed (:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: ) Think about that a 1st seed losing to the 8th




(Notice how losing in the 1st round is a common theme)




2012- Backdoor swept in the WCF, averaged a measly 17 and 9

2013- Had the biggest collapse in NBA history, lost a championship up 3-2 while being up 5 with 28 seconds left. Missed the clutch shot in Game 7


2014- Lost a FMVP averaging 15 and 7 (Not much different from being Robert Horry)

2015- Lost in the 1st round (Again, not surprised) while being up 3-2


So a 16-17ppg scorer averaging 10 rebounds is top 5 all time? :facepalm :facepalm





Glad the over-excitement from the 2014 championship died down, and we see Duncan for who he truly is.


http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tim-Duncan-AP-e1369928184247.jpg


Do you truly consider him great?

MOST BLKS SHOT IN NBA PLAYOFFS HISTORY :banana:

[LAZERUSS]

MOST BLKS SHOT IN NBA PLAYOFFS HISTORY :banana:

Chamberlain played in 160 post-season games.

We only have his shot-block data from 81 of them...

590.

[Legends66NBA7]

And reading through this thread, people in here have Tim 6-10 regardless. So again, what's the problem ? He's not Top 5, but he's Top 6 ? Okay...

He probably won't retire yet, I still think he has another strong year left in him and maybe another. Still enough time to add to the legacy.

[K Xerxes]

I'm not arguing, but why do people put Hakeem over Duncan at this point? I always put him over Hakeem because I feel Tim has the better logevity and the more important accolades.

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/d/tim_duncan_vs_hakeem_olajuwon.htm

I don't know many people who put Hakeem over Duncan all time. Duncan is of course more accomplished with more hardware.

But, as a player, Hakeem was more dominant on both ends of the court, except passing. Duncan played his entire career with a great organisation and the GOAT coach though.

[MEB2kDeez]

You mean 6-10 ? Because an argument for 5-10 doesn't mean it's reaching.

Even then, it's not a reach at 6-10. There's not some enormous gap between 5 and 6.
Lol yeah, 6-10.

[Dr Hawk]

I'm not arguing, but why do people put Hakeem over Duncan at this point? I always put him over Hakeem because I feel Tim has the better logevity and the more important accolades.

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/d/tim_duncan_vs_hakeem_olajuwon.htm

I put Hakeem over Duncan because Hakeem was the better player IMO and I have no doubt about that. Duncan is the better passer, but Hakeem is the better scorer and defender.

Duncan has the better longevity, but peak and prime favor Hakeem IMO.

Accolades go to Duncan yes, and I hate to say this because it might sound as an excuse but, Duncan has played for an incredible and unique organization like the Spurs, and that definitely helped him more than Houston helped Hakeem during his career.

Don't get me wrong, Duncan has been the centre piece of the Spurs all these years, but he has had more help than Hakeem IMO.

I don't think Hakeem could have done more, he has some incredible losing efforts in the Playoffs.

Arguments in Hakeem's favor: Prime, peak, enough longevity (from 85 to 99) and great playoff performer.

[rmt]

It's not like that the Spurs got eliminated from the Pelicans or the Mavs or the Blazers.

The Spurs vs. The Clippers could easily be a good 2nd round series or even CF, if their paths were different.

Duncan averaged nearly 36 mpg, the highest of his team, at the age of 39. 18/11/3/1/1 on .595 ts%. 26.9 efficiency.

The blame is on majorly Pop and Parker. Duncan busted his @ss of for the wins.
The Spurs only once didn't require Duncan's help much to win. Other than that game, Duncan was 20/12/3/1/1 on .617 ts%. 29.3 efficiency.


Duncan won't be earning a spot in top 5 due to this series. I kinda get what you're saying. But you have to recognize what he's capable at this age as greatness. And stop trying to discredit him every thread you see on the first page. I'm a fan of Duncan and I rank him as 6th. Duncan doesn't have a case against Jordan, Kareem and Russell. But, there can be a case for him over anyone else. So, people can claim he's 4th or 8th.

4th for me - especially if the question is who do you want to start your franchise with? The total career backs it up and it looks like he's still got another good 2 years left. Why did you play Parker so much Pop? Just hope Kwahi is not too affected by his poor play at the end of this series - saw Parker and Manu talking to him. Wish he had not gotten DPOY award - I think it distracted him.

[T_L_P]

I don't know many people who put Hakeem over Duncan all time. Duncan is of course more accomplished with more hardware.

But, as a player, Hakeem was more dominant on both ends of the court, except passing. Duncan played his entire career with a great organisation and the GOAT coach though.

I totally get Hakeem > Duncan (I have Duncan 4/5 and Hakeem 5/6), but that's a bit much.

It took Hakeem a very long time to be as effective as his PPG/RPG would suggest. Early on he was a terrible gambler, a shitty leader and a black-hole on offense (always was to some extent).

I mean, look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsHLOq22UFI

Yes I know it's Kareem who is probably the best big man ever, but Hakeem's defense in most of these clips is shocking. He'd be benched if he did that shit in the modern game with complex defensive and offensive schemes. The first two clips is Enis Kanter defense for God's sake!

[Prime_Shaq]

At best he is #5 but I personally have him at #7.

[Optimus Prime]

Duncan > LeBeta and always will be.

:lebronamazed:

[mehyaM24]

He arguably is. I agree with him and I think most people generally have Duncan at 4-7 all time by this point .

Tremendous performance in a game 7 tonight, incidentally. 11-16 shooting for 27, 11 is just marvelous for a 39 year old.
no case for top 4. absolutely none.

kareem/jordan/wilt/magic/russell were all better.

learn the game

[dubeta]

Duncan > LeBeta and always will be.

:lebronamazed:

LeBron 2/2 100%


Duncan 3/5 60%

































Kobe 2/5 40%

:yaohappy:

[T_L_P]

.
LeBron 2/5 40%

:yaohappy:.

[rmt]

Well, 5 pages of discussion so at least there's an argument for it. I think he has absolutely no case over MJ and Kareem. For Russell, depending on how much value you place on Russell's (lack of) offensive output - TD has a case. Magic and Bird - the defense and longevity are in TD's favor. So even if you rate Wilt and Hakeem higher, there's still space in the top 5. Everybody else - he has a case against and his career is not over yet.

[Cold soul]

Top 10 easily. I have him 7th the best range for Duncan is 6-10.

[Jacks3]

Great as Duncan is, seems to me a bit hypocritical that he suddenly gets so much top-5 love: When Duncan was winning titles in his actual prime (1999-07), I don't remember many arguing for him being top 4-5 of all-time, because his prime/peak wasn't at that level. Then, from 2008 to 2012, his dominance started slipping and his title winning came to a halt, which brought Duncan down to near obscurity levels for a supposed top-5 GOAT. His name wouldn't even appear once for multiple pages/days in a row, even in serious NBA sites. His legacy gained nothing during those years. Then, in 2013, he returned to title contending with a clearly reduced role compared to his prime and thus he's suddenly become top-5? Seriously, unless his individual impact is, in some way, as large as it's ever been in his prime, how gripped on team success and past prime longevity do you have to be in order to believe he's suddenly become top-5 because he won his X'th title at 38 (yes, even as a very good 38 y.o) while playing for the most well-run and professional team of the 21st century? Thing is, if Duncan wasn't considered anywhere very near top-5 back in 2007, there's no good reason to believe he's become that now.

This.

[dubeta]

Good thread.


My top 5:


1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. LeBron James (will go 3 spots higher if he wins this year)
5. Kobe Bryant


HM: Shaquille O'Neal

:applause:

[Done_And_Done]

And he still managed to wipe the floor with your hero's face at nearly 40 years of age.

Sad case...