why does boxing allow the clinch?

[JerrySeinfeld]

everytime pacman gained momentum mayweather would just hug him and then the ref would separate them.

boxing seems to be all hype at this point. ufc is so much more fun to watch.

[warriorfan]

I agree, there needs to be some point deduction.


Is hugging a guy while you are getting your ass beat "good defense"?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

make 300 million off ducking/dodging/hugging, sign me up!

[JerrySeinfeld]

I agree, there needs to be some point deduction.


Is hugging a guy while you are getting your ass beat "good defense"?

lol I guess I just don't understand boxing because it seems stupid as **** to me. he would be getting punched and then just hug pacquio and then the ref would come in and break up the fight. and it happened like every round and he didn't even get a points deduction for it.

[Bobcats2013]

technically its against the rules but it happens so much that it's swept under the table by most refs

[JerrySeinfeld]

so it's against the rules but floyd got to do it every round?

lol

[ImKobe]

You're just upset that Manny sucked

and what momentum :kobe:

[ArbitraryWater]

make 300 million off ducking/dodging/hugging, sign me up!

except you wouldn't even get to the point of the hug, you'd be knocked out cold if you actually tried.


so it's against the rules but floyd got to do it every round?

lol

do you watch boxing? like, at all?

[JerrySeinfeld]

do you watch boxing? like, at all?

clearly not which is why I made this thread.

reading wikipedia I came across this:


Clinching is technically against the rules, and in amateur fights points are deducted fairly quickly for it. It is unlikely, however, to see points deducted for a clinch in professional boxing.

can someone explain the bolded to me?

my understanding of the clinch was that it was a move you can do, say if you are getting your ass beat, to give yourself some breathing room, although the counter balance is that you are going to take a points deduction for it.

watching last nights fight everytime manny got momentum all mayweather had to was hug him and he was free, I thought that this was a points deduction, so I was certain that manny had the points lead, although now I see how mayweather won.

anyways, why does professional boxing not penalize for the clinch? all it does is lead to snoozefest fights imo. manny was controlling the center of the ring, was the aggressor, was inflicting more damage, all mayweather was doing was running around, landing soft counter jabs, and clinching everytime he was at risk. I just don't see why you want to reward that type of fighting style? it's not natural, it's not representative of an actual fight, and it damn sure isn't more entertaining.

[Lebron23]

That's what Klitschko did to Bryant Jennings last week. I don't have any problems with clinching, but excessive clinching is so boring.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

That's what Klitschko did to Bryant Jennings last week. I don't have any problems with clinching, but excessive clinching is so boring.

I heard that fight was good. A friend of mine personally knows B-Jennings too. Humble dude from North Philly.

[PistonsFan#21]

Clinching has always been a part of boxing. If you look at the great Muammad Ali in his fight against Foreman he was literally clinching him for half the rounds for the first 6-7 rounds until Foreman got exhausted and Ali went for the kill.

Its like the carry or travel violations in the NBA. Refs tend to let it go most of the time even though its against the rules

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Yes, the Ali fight is a great example of it. He clinches him a lot especially in round 8

[JerrySeinfeld]

Clinching has always been a part of boxing. If you look at the great Muammad Ali in his fight against Foreman he was literally clinching him for half the rounds for the first 6-7 rounds until Foreman got exhausted and Ali went for the kill.

Its like the carry or travel violations in the NBA. Refs tend to let it go most of the time even though its against the rules

the difference is that clinching is a black and white thing while traveling is way more subjective

[LJJ]

Clinching is a big part of the sport. Why does boxing allow fighters to bob and weave? Why does boxing allow fighters to block punches with their gloves? Wouldn't the sport be more entertaining in fighters weren't allowed to use cheap defensive tactics like that? Let's give them brass knuckles instead of boxing gloves also!

[ALBballer]

Clinching is a big part of the sport. Why does boxing allow fighters to bob and weave? Why does boxing allow fighters to block punches with their gloves? Wouldn't the sport be more entertaining in fighters weren't allowed to use cheap defensive tactics like that? Let's give them brass knuckles instead of boxing gloves also!

I'm not a boxing expert but it comes off as a cheap tactic to ruin the momentum of the other fighter.

Watching the fight yesterday it was painful to see Mayweather clinch early on. To me it's similar to grabbing a player in soccer or basketball when you are getting beat or need a breather. Points should be deducted for it.

[LJJ]

I'm not a boxing expert but it comes off as a cheap tactic to ruin the momentum of the other fighter.

Watching the fight yesterday it was painful to see Mayweather clinch early on. To me it's similar to grabbing a player in soccer or basketball when you are getting beat or need a breather. Points should be deducted for it.

It's more akin to a shoulder charge in football. Perfectly legal, within certain limits. And if you want to be a good defensive fullback that better be a well developed part of your skill-set.

If Manny has bad footwork and doesn't know how to counter a clinch, a smart opponent is going to use that to his advantage. Clinching can be punished too, it's not a infallible technique.

[LJJ]

Now you're just being silly

Obviously, like asking why boxing allows clinching is silly.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Obviously, like asking why boxing allows clinching is silly.

the real question I have now that I'm a tad more informed is this:

why doesn't professional boxing deduct points for clinching like amateur boxing does?

still have yet to see a good answer for this.

[fiddy]

Clinching is a big part of the sport. Why does boxing allow fighters to bob and weave? Why does boxing allow fighters to block punches with their gloves? Wouldn't the sport be more entertaining in fighters weren't allowed to use cheap defensive tactics like that? Let's give them brass knuckles instead of boxing gloves also!
Gloves are alright, they just need to inject some mercury in them.

[That_Admiral]

I remember watching a couple of old Ali fights, he used to clinch quite a lot as well. Rumble in the Jungle against Foreman I remember quite well

[IcanzIIravor]

the real question I have now that I'm a tad more informed is this:

why doesn't professional boxing deduct points for clinching like amateur boxing does?

still have yet to see a good answer for this.

They expect professionals to have the footwork and ring savvy to avoid them perhaps?

[JerrySeinfeld]

They expect professionals to have the footwork and ring savvy to avoid them perhaps?

so manny pacquio must have garbage footwork and ring savvy because he was getting tied up all fight.

[IcanzIIravor]

so manny pacquio must have garbage footwork and ring savvy because he was getting tied up all fight.

In this fight for sure. If you have watched his other fights and this one you would question whatever training and planning Roach had for the match up. Footwork was awful and he respected the jab far too much which led to him being tentative and over thinking. He let Mayweather dictate the fight. When Manny just reacted and let his hands go then he had success. I blame the ghost of JMM. Manny didn't want to get knocked out from a counter after he felt the accurate punching from Floyd. I think prior to the knockout loss Manny would have accepted some punishment and let his hands go.

[Nick Young]

because its a lame shit sport

[L.Kizzle]

Floyd clinches = cheater
Ali clinches = greatest

Sugar Ray Leonard moves around ring = greatest
Floyd moves around the rind = runner

Is that it?

[IcanzIIravor]

Floyd clinches = cheater
Ali clinches = greatest

Sugar Ray Leonard moves around ring = greatest
Floyd moves around the rind = runner

Is that it?

:lol

I'm re-watching the fight and I am amazed at how easily Manny allowed himself to get tied up. Mayweather practically telegraphed some of these. Manny could have slipped to the side with better foot work and letting his hands go.

[Norcaliblunt]

Floyd clinches = cheater
Ali clinches = greatest

Sugar Ray Leonard moves around ring = greatest
Floyd moves around the rind = runner

Is that it?


Are people this stupid to not understand the real reason why people hate Mayweather while liking other all time greats? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the fighters mentioned above were just more appealing and interesting public figures. Floyd doesn't have one redeeming quality as an individual in the limelight. If dude could read, was smart, funny, or stood for something politically people might respect dude.

As for the clinch, I hate it too. If you want to wrestle join the UFC.