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Heavincent
05-03-2015, 07:28 PM
Steph Curry named MVP

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=17648

WallIn
05-03-2015, 07:28 PM
The only choice

67 wins

JUDGE WITNESS
05-03-2015, 07:28 PM
well then

SaltyMeatballs
05-03-2015, 07:29 PM
Good for him. Harden did more with less at the end of the day.

navy
05-03-2015, 07:29 PM
Chef Curry

StephHamann
05-03-2015, 07:29 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEHgNF5UEAEcs8R.jpg

Inferno
05-03-2015, 07:29 PM
:bowdown: Never thought I'd see this happen

Legends66NBA7
05-03-2015, 07:29 PM
The only choice

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4788476/james-harden-eurostep-o.gif

warriorfan
05-03-2015, 07:30 PM
Invasion of the Lightskins

Done_And_Done
05-03-2015, 07:30 PM
Could have gone either way. The right man won imo though...

SugarHill
05-03-2015, 07:31 PM
it was inevitable

Milbuck
05-03-2015, 07:31 PM
https://i.imgur.com/frnXxyMh.jpg

http://media.giphy.com/media/6jfwcplBfaKas/giphy.gif

poido123
05-03-2015, 07:31 PM
It's ok Houston fans, you will feel even better when the Clippers run a freight train through your ass, right?


:lol

ArbitraryWater
05-03-2015, 07:32 PM
sweet

SyRyanYang
05-03-2015, 07:32 PM
Good for him. Harden did more with less at the end of the day.

56wins>67wins?
:facepalm

:facepalm

:facepalm

:facepalm

:facepalm

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

FatComputerNerd
05-03-2015, 07:32 PM
Well deserved.

I used to think Curry was overrated until the past couple of seasons. He's really blossomed into a special player.

SpecialQue
05-03-2015, 07:33 PM
It's ok Houston fans, you will feel even better when the Clippers run a freight train through your ass, right?


:lol

The Rockets are a good team.

kennethgriffin
05-03-2015, 07:34 PM
well deserved

mvp = best player on the best regular season team

trivial award but he deserves it based on the criteria

ArbitraryWater
05-03-2015, 07:34 PM
Good for him. Harden did more with less at the end of the day.

lol

56>67 now

outbreak
05-03-2015, 07:35 PM
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/taxi-drive-clap.gif

Well deserved

SugarHill
05-03-2015, 07:36 PM
well deserved

mvp = best player on the best regular season team

trivial award but he deserves it based on the criteria
lmao so salty

dubeta
05-03-2015, 07:36 PM
Well deserved

In my eyes hes now officially tied with Kobe all time

1 = 1

Inferno
05-03-2015, 07:37 PM
Good for him. Harden did less with less at the end of the day.

Fixed

kennethgriffin
05-03-2015, 07:37 PM
lmao so salty


i like steph curry

its the mvp award i dont like

i'd rather the warriors win the title


curry shouldnt have as many mvps as shaquille oneal, kobe bryant, hakeem olajuwon ( ALREADY )

just sayin

poido123
05-03-2015, 07:38 PM
The Rockets are a good team.



I agree, but they haven't shown anything I haven't expected from them yet...


They have the talent, but not true leaders on that team. Harden has got better, but I still think there's something missing with that team and the coach is still awful.


I still expect the Clippers to handle them.

kennethgriffin
05-03-2015, 07:40 PM
Well deserved

In my eyes hes now officially tied with Kobe all time

1 = 1

the more derrick rose's, steph currys, steve nash's that win mvp... the more lebrons get degraded

you should be pissed :lol

Ca$H
05-03-2015, 07:40 PM
Well deserved

In my eyes hes now officially tied with Kobe all time

1 = 1

He is tied with Shaq too. 1 = 1 =1. Nash is better than all three of them. 2 >1.

dubeta
05-03-2015, 07:41 PM
He is tied with Shaq too. 1 = 1 =1. Nash is better than all three of them. 2 >1.

Agreed, and LeBron is better than all combined

kennethgriffin
05-03-2015, 07:43 PM
Agreed, and LeBron is better than all combined


i guess so... in your own world anythings possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

KG215
05-03-2015, 07:44 PM
I mean I knew it was coming for a few months now, but it's still kinda strange because I never thought I'd see Curry win an MVP. But Durant missing most of the season and LeBron missing 13 games and the Cavs digging to big of a hole record wise to dig themselves out of, meant we were going to have an "unusual" MVP this season.

But still, Curry deserved it. You could've made a case for both he and Harden.

Heavincent
05-03-2015, 07:45 PM
I mean I knew it was coming for a few months now, but it's still kinda strange because I never thought I'd see Curry win an MVP. Granted, Durant missing most of the season and LeBron missing 13 games and the Cavs digging to big of a hole record wise to dig themselves out of meant we were going to get a bit of an "unusual" MVP this season.

But still, Curry deserved it. You could've made a case for both he and Harden.

He would have won it regardless. Hard to argue against 67 wins.

ArbitraryWater
05-03-2015, 07:48 PM
He would have won it regardless. Hard to argue against 67 wins.

You think he wins it if KD and Bron play with no injuries?

Nahh dude... Cavs and OKC would be around 60 wins, one of them gets it, easy, considering the, not signficant, but also not that small, gap, as players.

SyRyanYang
05-03-2015, 07:48 PM
Cool, but more importantly, who's da real MVP?

Kevin Durant's Mom:1
Lebron James' Mom:0

SugarHill
05-03-2015, 07:49 PM
the more derrick rose's, steph currys, steve nash's that win mvp... the more lebrons get degraded

you should be pissed :lol
wow you said your agenda :kobe:

CelticBaller
05-03-2015, 07:49 PM
Most wins award lmao

SyRyanYang
05-03-2015, 07:49 PM
You think he wins it if KD and Bron play with no injuries?

Nahh dude... Cavs and OKC would be around 60 wins, one of them gets it, easy, considering the, not signficant, but also not that small, gap, as players.

Lebron wasn't injured, he took a vacation.
Regardless, no one is calling Curry best player on the planet, we all know Durant is (when healthy).

Heavincent
05-03-2015, 07:50 PM
You think he wins it if KD and Bron play with no injuries?

Nahh dude... Cavs and OKC would be around 60 wins, one of them gets it, easy, considering the, not signficant, but also not that small, gap, as players.

Yes.

Also, Lebron didn't get injured.

Ca$H
05-03-2015, 07:50 PM
Cool, but more importantly, who's da real MVP?

Kevin Durant's Mom:1
Lebron James' Mom:0

At least Bran's future step father is Da Real Lambo.

sbw19
05-03-2015, 07:52 PM
Congrats. No surprises there.

Real14
05-03-2015, 07:56 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEHgNF5UEAEcs8R.jpg
end thread:cheers::lol congrats to my niguh chef curry tho:applause:

MEB2kDeez
05-03-2015, 07:59 PM
:applause: :applause:

Droid101
05-03-2015, 08:00 PM
Davis did more with less than Harden. He should be MVP then, right?

sd3035
05-03-2015, 08:01 PM
pretty easy choice

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
05-03-2015, 08:03 PM
CP3 got robbed:facepalm :facepalm

KG215
05-03-2015, 08:05 PM
He would have won it regardless. Hard to argue against 67 wins.
That's debatable because a healthy Durant and healthy OKC team wins 60+ games this year with Durant putting up better numbers than Curry. I mean Durant still averaged 25-7-4-1-1 on 51/40/85 in just 33 MPG in the 27 games he played this year. Never mind that he played noticeably hobbled in about half of those 27 games. A healthy Durant is playing 80ish games, putting up something like his usual 28-7-5 on roughly 50/40/90 shooting, and OKC likely wins 60+ games. I know it's all speculation, but given how devastated by injuries they were all season, and how many close games they lost, it's not crazy to assume OKC wins at least 60 games if Durant is healthy and Westbrook and Ibaka don't miss 15+ games each.

LeBron not being healthy (or if it really was him taking a two week vacation) isn't all that kept him from winning MVP. Cleveland having pretty big chemistry issues and not having J.R. Smith, Mozgov, and Shumpert the first half of the season played as big of a factor.


With that said, given the vacuum of this season, and based on what they did this season, Curry is a very deserving MVP winner. It's just a bit "weird" since it came in the heart of Durant and LeBron's prime/peak, but each player had extenuating circumstances that kept them from seriously being in the MVP discussion. Curry put up very good numbers on a 67 win team, but his numbers were actually pretty weak for an MVP winner.

BlazerRed
05-03-2015, 08:07 PM
Right man won it. I'm guessing Westbrook must have been second? :confusedshrug:

PhutureDynasty
05-03-2015, 08:11 PM
Congratulations to Mr. Stephen Curry and Warriors fans! :applause: :applause: :applause:

James Harden was more than worthy as well, he simply lost to another worthy candidate.

1987_Lakers
05-03-2015, 08:12 PM
but his numbers were actually pretty weak for an MVP winner.


Curry is the first player to win MVP averaging under 33 MPG, his numbers would have been better if he played more.

KG215
05-03-2015, 08:17 PM
Curry is the first player to win MVP averaging under 33 MPG, his numbers would have been better if he played more.
Fair point, but you could also use that against him. If his team can win 67 games with him playing under 33 MPG, then is he really more valuable than someone like Harden who played 37 MPG?

I understand Curry's numbers would've been better had he played 35+ MPG, but you can turn that back around against him and use it to argue maybe he really wasn't the most valuable player.

Heavincent
05-03-2015, 08:17 PM
lol at Curry's numbers being "weak" for an MVP. What he did this season is unprecedented. 286 made 3's. 24/8/4 on INCREDIBLE efficiency (49/44/91) in only 33 minutes per game. Give him 3 or 4 more minutes and he would be a 27 or 28 PPG guy. We're actually seeing that in the playoffs now. He scored 34 or more points in 3 of the 6 games.

Heavincent
05-03-2015, 08:18 PM
Fair point, but you could also use that against him. If his team can win 67 games with him playing under 33 MPG, then is he really more valuable than someone like Harden who played 37 MPG?

I understand Curry's numbers would've been better had he played 35+ MPG, but you can turn that back around against him and use it to argue maybe he really wasn't the most valuable player.

No, it's the other way around. He's so dominant he puts teams away early. It works in his favor.

Wavves
05-03-2015, 08:20 PM
Well deserved.

As deserving as Harden was as well, the right man won.

warriorfan
05-03-2015, 08:21 PM
Alpha Male Curry is so efficient he gets the job done in 3 quarters.

RoseCity07
05-03-2015, 08:25 PM
Well deserved.:applause:

LakersForlife
05-03-2015, 08:26 PM
russel westbrooks triple doouble parade was fun. but lightskin boy :bowdown:

24-Inch_Chrome
05-03-2015, 08:26 PM
No surprise. Deserving winner.

Smoke117
05-03-2015, 08:28 PM
http://broscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/snake-plissken-cool.gif

Should have been Harden.

SaltyMeatballs
05-03-2015, 08:29 PM
Right man won it. I'm guessing Westbrook must have been second? :confusedshrug:
Stop it. Westbrook didn't even make the playoffs.

SyRyanYang
05-03-2015, 08:29 PM
Fair point, but you could also use that against him. If his team can win 67 games with him playing under 33 MPG, then is he really more valuable than someone like Harden who played 37 MPG?

I understand Curry's numbers would've been better had he played 35+ MPG, but you can turn that back around against him and use it to argue maybe he really wasn't the most valuable player.

No you can't.
He blows teams out regularly in 33 minutes. He's THAT good.

24-Inch_Chrome
05-03-2015, 08:31 PM
Right man won it. I'm guessing Westbrook must have been second? :confusedshrug:

:applause:

KG215
05-03-2015, 08:32 PM
No, it's the other way around. He's so dominant he puts teams away early. It works in his favor.
Golden State is also the deepest and most well-balanced team in the league. It absolutely can work both ways. I know Curry didn't play in something like 15 or 16 fourth quarters, but some of that is due to how loaded the Warriors are. Obviously Curry is their best and most important player, but the Warriors are very deep and very balanced.

And I'm not saying Curry had weak numbers, but historically speaking, in comparison to other MVPs, they're not the best.

http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af76/almabball/Steph%20Curry%20MVP%20Numbers.png

LakersForlife
05-03-2015, 08:34 PM
Golden State is also the deepest and most well-balanced team in the league. It absolutely can work both ways. I know Curry didn't play in something like 15 or 16 fourth quarters, but some of that is due to how loaded the Warriors are. Obviously Curry is their best and most important player, but the Warriors are very deep and very balanced.

And I'm not saying Curry had weak numbers, but historically speaking, in comparison to other MVPs, they're not the best.

http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af76/almabball/Steph%20Curry%20MVP%20Numbers.png

thats the downside of blowing out teams every night

red1
05-03-2015, 08:35 PM
worthy mvp :applause:

KG215
05-03-2015, 08:36 PM
No you can't.
He blows teams out regularly in 33 minutes. He's THAT good.
He wasn't solely blowing teams out in his 33 minutes on the floor. He was the biggest factor, but there wasn't a team in the league that could match Golden State's depth and offensive and defensive firepower. They were/are a historically great team, and it's not because Curry played at some ridiculously, historically great level. He played at a very, very high level, on a very loaded team.

BlazerRed
05-03-2015, 08:37 PM
Stop it. Westbrook didn't even make the playoffs.
:confusedshrug:

Wavves
05-03-2015, 08:40 PM
The Warriors blew every team the **** out every single night in historic fashion. People forget how good this Warriors team was this regular season, not just being a great team but a historically great team.

Everyone knows that the team is stacked, but that is not a detriment to Steph Curry's MVP chances. Curry lead arguably the best team we have seen in recent history while destroying the competition himself. He is the MVP.

dubeta
05-03-2015, 08:40 PM
Curry is as good as Kobe/Durant now. Lets just admit it and move on. We can nitpick all day but they are all around the same tier.

kennethgriffin
05-03-2015, 08:43 PM
Curry is as good as Kobe/Durant now. Lets just admit it and move on. We can nitpick all day but they are all around the same tier.


lol@ you trying desperately to justify mvp counts as measurements by raising steph curry into the top all time rankings

wheres nash? top 10

:oldlol:

Heavincent
05-03-2015, 08:45 PM
http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af76/almabball/Steph%20Curry%20MVP%20Numbers.png

LOL at how arbitrary that is. He averaged 23.8 points. Does the .2 really matter that much? Just looks like bullshit ESPN arbitrary stats.

Also, show me the list of players who scored as efficiently as Curry did on the same type of volume. It's a very short list.

ballup
05-03-2015, 08:45 PM
Best player on the best team, no surprise here

dubeta
05-03-2015, 08:45 PM
lol@ you trying desperately to justify mvp counts as measurements by raising steph curry into the top all time rankings

wheres nash? top 10

:oldlol:


None of them are top 10, sorry bud.

NBAplayoffs2001
05-03-2015, 08:46 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Zjwo4.gif

Wasn't lebron.

I be like 50cent and that be dubeta n da back of the car, being happy and y'all.

coin24
05-03-2015, 08:49 PM
Well deserved:applause:

Lebron23
05-03-2015, 08:50 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Zjwo4.gif

Wasn't lebron.

I be like 50cent and that be dubeta n da back of the car, being happy and y'all.


Lebron coasted at the last quarter of the regular season. Winning his 3rd Finals MVP is LeBron's primary goal.

Congrats to Stephen Curry. I picked Harden to win the MVP.

AcquiringSteak
05-03-2015, 08:51 PM
just realised how deserving Lebron's 2013 MVP was, after watching kevin durant last year and curry this year

27 game win streak longest in 40 years, led team in pts/reb/ast, 66-16 (best in heat history) AND the championship later on

NBAplayoffs2001
05-03-2015, 08:52 PM
Lebron coasted at the last quarter of the regular season. Winning his 3rd Finals MVP is LeBron's primary goal.

Congrats to Stephen Curry. I picked Harden to win the MVP.

Good to see you on here. Feel like I haven't seen you post in awhile :cheers:

red1
05-03-2015, 08:52 PM
just realised how deserving Lebron's 2013 MVP was, after watching kevin durant last year and curry this year

27 game win streak longest in 40 years, led team in pts/reb/ast, 66-16 (best in heat history) AND the championship later on
kd was a worthy mvp as well. monster season

Beastmode88
05-03-2015, 08:53 PM
Lebron coasted at the last quarter of the regular season. Winning his 3rd Finals MVP is LeBron's primary goal.

Congrats to Stephen Curry. I picked Harden to win the MVP.

I thought winning a championship for cleveland was his primary goal. Irving has a shot of winning fmvp as well now that love is down.

Mr. Jabbar
05-03-2015, 08:54 PM
eat shit, harden

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2xrxvWP5x1rtxen9o1_400.gif

kennethgriffin
05-03-2015, 08:54 PM
None of them are top 10, sorry bud.


according to your criteria

this would be your rankings


jordan - 12 mvps
kareem - 8 mvps
lebron - 6 mvps
magic - 6 mvps
bird - 5 mvps
russell - 5 mvps
duncan - 5 mvps
wilt - 5 mvps
moses - 4 mvps
shaq - 4 mvps
kobe - 3 mvps
hakeem - 3 mvps
Nash - 2 mvps
malone - 2 mvps
reed - 2 mvps
dirk - 2 mvps
pettit - 2 mvps


right?

am i missing anyone

Lebron23
05-03-2015, 08:55 PM
I thought winning a championship for cleveland was his primary goal. Irving has a shot of winning fmvp as well now that love is down.


Let's see about that. LBJ is the more proven playoffs performer. He ain't Tim Duncan who got out played by his teammates in the Finals thrice in his NBA Career.

magictricked
05-03-2015, 08:58 PM
Well deserved. :bowdown:

The Warriors were step ahead of everyone else this year

that 10+point differential says it all

24-Inch_Chrome
05-03-2015, 08:59 PM
Let's see about that. LBJ is the more proven playoffs performer. He ain't Tim Duncan who got out played by his teammates in the Finals thrice in his NBA Career.

Duncan > LeBron though. :confusedshrug:

mark
05-03-2015, 09:00 PM
It's ok Houston fans, you will feel even better when the Clippers run a freight train through your ass, right?


:lol


Rockets will be exposed big time soon will be an embarrassment.

Beastmode88
05-03-2015, 09:02 PM
Let's see about that. LBJ is the more proven playoffs performer. He ain't Tim Duncan who got out played by his teammates in the Finals thrice in his NBA Career.

2011 finals?

dubeta
05-03-2015, 09:04 PM
according to your criteria

this would be your rankings


jordan - 12 mvps
kareem - 8 mvps
lebron - 6 mvps
magic - 6 mvps
bird - 5 mvps
russell - 5 mvps
duncan - 5 mvps
wilt - 5 mvps
moses - 4 mvps
shaq - 4 mvps
kobe - 3 mvps
hakeem - 3 mvps
Nash - 2 mvps
malone - 2 mvps
reed - 2 mvps
dirk - 2 mvps
pettit - 2 mvps


right?

am i missing anyone

Thats a pretty good list :cheers:

future reported

Fallen Angel
05-03-2015, 09:09 PM
This thread is more about James Harden and LeBron James than the MVP.

Nobody is impressed by this kid, his biggest advantage in the MVP Race is averaging the most points on the best team. The last time Harden averaged lower than 23 PPG he was a sixth man on a contender. LeBron hasn't averaged lower than 23 PPG since his rookie season.

Not impressed.

warriorfan
05-03-2015, 09:11 PM
This thread is more about James Harden and LeBron James than the MVP.

Nobody is impressed by this kid, his biggest advantage in the MVP Race is averaging the most points on the best team. The last time Harden averaged lower than 23 PPG he was a sixth man on a contender. LeBron hasn't averaged lower than 23 PPG since his rookie season.

Not impressed.



Agreed, using strictly PPG is the best way to determine the MVP. :cheers:

Lebron23
05-03-2015, 09:12 PM
Duncan > LeBron though. :confusedshrug:


Right now. But I think LBJ will eventually surpass him.

Heavincent
05-03-2015, 09:12 PM
Nobody is impressed by this kid

I guess that's why he was just voted as the MVP and led the league in all star votes.

Nobody's impressed though.

Fallen Angel
05-03-2015, 09:13 PM
Agreed, using strictly PPG is the best way to determine the MVP. :cheers:
I forgot team wins, sorry.

AcquiringSteak
05-03-2015, 09:13 PM
the reason why im not "impressed" more than I should be (others might feel this as well) is because it wasn't so clear cut, i.e. lebron james, durant over the past few years

Lebron23
05-03-2015, 09:13 PM
2011 finals?


One of the saddest day as a basketball fan. I blamed Lebron in that series. He could have done much better than averaging 18 ppg in the finals, but since then LeBron been's a great finals performer.

Fallen Angel
05-03-2015, 09:15 PM
I guess that's why he was just voted as the MVP and led the league in all star votes.

Nobody's impressed though.
All-Star votes are meaningless.

MVP voters' MAIN reason for voting Curry over Harden is team wins. There's no debating that statement.

Budadiiii
05-03-2015, 09:15 PM
One of the saddest day as a basketball fan. I blamed Lebron in that series. He could have done much better than averaging 18 ppg in the finals, but since then LeBron been's a great finals performer.
Where does it stack up to your other mega disappointments as a fan?

Is it higher than Manny getting whooped yesterday?

pls respond.

Fudge
05-03-2015, 09:18 PM
:facepalm

What a ****ing disgrace.

Absolutely disgusting.

J Shuttlesworth
05-03-2015, 09:33 PM
Don't mind Curry winning it. Very close between him and Harden. I hate to dumb it down to "he got more wins" but both players were so close production wise that I don't mind them giving it to Curry because of his superior team record. Plus, Curry is the shit. Love watching this kid

hiphopfan777
05-03-2015, 09:34 PM
Let me know when harden scores 45 on three free throws. Harden is garbage without free throws

Smoke117
05-03-2015, 09:36 PM
Don't mind Curry winning it. Very close between him and Harden. I hate to dumb it down to "he got more wins" but both players were so close production wise that I don't mind them giving it to Curry because of his superior team record. Plus, Curry is the shit. Love watching this kid


Because Curry's teammates weren't about 10 times better, right? What Harden did with that team was MVP worthy, period. The Rockets also won 56 games which is pretty damn good. (enough for 2nd in the stacked west) That's without taking into account all the clowns who had the Rockets FALLING OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR. Howard missed half the season and they still managed to get the 2nd seed. Harden was the MVP. End of discussion.

FireDavidKahn
05-03-2015, 09:41 PM
I can't believe people are trashing Curry for this. He deserved MVP.

Milbuck
05-03-2015, 09:51 PM
Because Curry's teammates weren't about 10 times better, right? What Harden did with that team was MVP worthy, period. The Rockets also won 56 games which is pretty damn good. (enough for 2nd in the stacked west) That's without taking into account all the clowns who had the Rockets FALLING OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR. Howard missed half the season and they still managed to get the 2nd seed. Harden was the MVP. End of discussion.Except that he's not. Curry is the MVP, deal with it :yaohappy:

beastee
05-03-2015, 09:51 PM
well deserved. who cares what the haters say. his team very well can win it all and he is the engine that makes them go.

CJ Mustard
05-03-2015, 09:55 PM
:facepalm

What a ****ing disgrace.

Absolutely disgusting.
"Yes, twist that ankle, little boy."

More impressive MVP than Durant's tbh.

Smoke117
05-03-2015, 09:56 PM
Except that he's not. Curry is the MVP, deal with it :yaohappy:

Witty retort. Pat yourself on the back. Notice how you never get in a real discussion about basketball with me? You know you will be destroyed. It's okay though...self preservation is a common human trait.

nightprowler10
05-03-2015, 09:58 PM
Harden is very happy for him:

http://blogsurface.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/stephhhh-e1411241151610.jpg

Fudge
05-03-2015, 09:59 PM
Harden was the MVP. End of discussion.
:applause:

Disgrace. Travesty. Robbery.

ballup
05-03-2015, 10:02 PM
Harden is very happy for him:

http://blogsurface.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/stephhhh-e1411241151610.jpg
If you showed that to a person who doesn't know anything about the NBA, they'd assume something else.

lilteapot
05-03-2015, 10:03 PM
I think it was a tight race all season long, but in the end Curry pulled away. You can't just use the "did more with less" reasoning to determine the MVP. At the end of the day, Harden didn't lead his team to 67 wins and the 1st seed in the West.

The warriors are a contender because of Steph Curry. He's the clear cut MVP.

Budadiiii
05-03-2015, 10:09 PM
I actually think Steph Curry is a better and more impactful player than Harden.

If you asked me who I'd rather have I would say Curry easily.

Nothing against James, but he has a good team in Houston. It's not like hes carrying scrubs.

305Baller
05-03-2015, 10:12 PM
fair enough.

ArbitraryWater
05-03-2015, 10:14 PM
I actually think Steph Curry is a better and more impactful player than Harden.

If you asked me who I'd rather have I would say Curry easily.

Nothing against James, but he has a good team in Houston. It's not like hes carrying scrubs.

Buda proudly seperating himself from Fudge :applause:

christian1923
05-03-2015, 10:14 PM
I'm not a Big Harden guy but if you woulda told me in October that he would carry Beverly, Ariza, Motijuanas, and josh smith to the 2nd seed in the west i would have called you crazy.

That sounds like an 8th seed. I would have gave it to James.

Budadiiii
05-03-2015, 10:17 PM
Buda proudly seperating himself from Fudge :applause:
He agrees with me.

lilteapot
05-03-2015, 10:18 PM
I'm not a Big Harden guy but if you woulda told me in October that he would carry Beverly, Ariza, Motijuanas, and josh smith to the 2nd seed in the west i would have called you crazy.

That sounds like an 8th seed. I would have gave it to James.
Why are you acting like those guys are scrubs?

Droid101
05-03-2015, 10:27 PM
He agrees with me.
nope

:facepalm

What a ****ing disgrace.

Absolutely disgusting.

Budadiiii
05-03-2015, 10:29 PM
nope
:lol

I should read threads before posting.

But I do admit I'm biased towards Curry. Moved to San Jose last month. Instantly became a Warriors fan.

Fudge
05-03-2015, 10:30 PM
:lol

I should read threads before posting.

But I do admit I'm biased towards Curry. Moved to San Jose last month. Instantly became a Warriors fan.
:roll:

coin24
05-03-2015, 10:33 PM
Right now. But I think LBJ will eventually surpass him.

Too many shit stains on his resume already

UK2K
05-03-2015, 10:38 PM
Davis did more with less than Harden. He should be MVP then, right?
Pelicans minus Davis are much better than Houston minus Harden when you consider Dwight missed months.

pauk
05-03-2015, 10:39 PM
Yep, well deserved.

Fudge
05-03-2015, 10:40 PM
Yep, well deserved.
LeBron James.

Milbuck
05-03-2015, 10:42 PM
LeBron James.
http://www.free-animated-pictures.com/funny-baby-toddler-church.gif

bballnoob1192
05-03-2015, 10:45 PM
Pelicans minus Davis are much better than Houston minus Harden when you consider Dwight missed months.
what............:biggums: dude the pelicans can't even grab a defensive rebound. that team is a sad sack of shit. they would be the worst team in the nba if they don't have AD. he literally willed them to the playoffs against the spurs. Indirectly giving harden his "2nd" seed, knocking out WB and the OKC, giving the clippers the HCA over the Spurs which ultimately won them a hard 7 game series. :roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm

TheMarkMadsen
05-03-2015, 10:56 PM
I predicted this at the beginning of the season

:bowdown: :bowdown:

KG215
05-03-2015, 11:08 PM
the reason why im not "impressed" more than I should be (others might feel this as well) is because it wasn't so clear cut, i.e. lebron james, durant over the past few years
I think thi sis it with me. Curry (or Harden) was very deserving of MVP this year. It just never felt like he quite reached the same level as LeBron and Durant reached the previous three seasons. Which is fine, I'm not saying a player has to reach that level to win MVP. I think I just got used to and spoiled by the insanely high level Durant and LeBron both played at over the last three seasons. And of course with Durant being hurt all season and LeBron missing 13 games and the Cavs first half struggles, it doesn't have the feel of a "legit" MVP season to me.

But it is. I mean Curry put up really good numbers, scored on incredible efficiency on an absurdly high number of 3s and jumpers, and his team won 67 games. I guess I just can't quite put my finger on it.

upside24
05-03-2015, 11:08 PM
Well deserved.

I used to think Curry was overrated until the past couple of seasons. He's really blossomed into a special player.
I didn't think he would reach this level either because of his ankle issues but thankfully the basketball Gods spared us a Penny/Hill situation.

Yeah maybe Harden did more with less but Curry is the better player IMO.

Droid101
05-03-2015, 11:09 PM
Pelicans minus Davis are much better than Houston minus Harden when you consider Dwight missed months.
Not even close. Not even a little bit.

bobopenguin
05-03-2015, 11:16 PM
Pelicans minus Davis are much better than Houston minus Harden when you consider Dwight missed months.

i think harden's cool guy, but his stans.. would say anything without thinking..
this guy probably still think tyreke evans is a big shot.

Heavincent
05-03-2015, 11:18 PM
MVP currently averaging 31/7/5 in the playoffs

livinglegend
05-03-2015, 11:20 PM
Great MVP.
Last year's MVP was a shitty career loser who got less votes than Marc Gasol for ASG starting 5.

jimmybball
05-03-2015, 11:28 PM
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

sportjames23
05-03-2015, 11:39 PM
well deserved

mvp = best player on the best regular season team

trivial award but he deserves it based on the criteria


Did you say this when Kobe won?

Heavincent
05-03-2015, 11:41 PM
The fact that Kobe and Shaq have two combined MVP's is beyond ridiculous and definitely takes some meaning away from the award.

However, I'm glad they got it right this year.

J Shuttlesworth
05-03-2015, 11:47 PM
Once Curry gets FMVP, everyone will STFU about how he "didn't deserve it"

TheMarkMadsen
05-03-2015, 11:49 PM
The fact that Kobe and Shaq have two combined MVP's is beyond ridiculous and definitely takes some meaning away from the award.

However, I'm glad they got it right this year.


exactly this

the fact that end of every year somebody will end up with the same amount of MVPS as Kobe and Shaq is absurd

people like to claim that Shaq had a multi year run that was the "MDE".. yet has 1 MVP to show for it.. so obviously MVP isn't some perfect gauge for dominance, nor does it always go to the best player in the league

Smoke117
05-03-2015, 11:51 PM
Once Curry gets FMVP, everyone will STFU about how he "didn't deserve it"


Why is that? The best player on BY FAR THE BEST TEAM has some decent stats and we should all now suck his dick? There hasn't been a team as deep as the Warriors since the late 80s Pistons...there's a reason why so many feel isiah is overrated. Steph can be the new Isiah, I suppose. The best player on a stacked team. Here let me be the first to give him a hand for his future FMVP:

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/143/458/458143.gif

coin24
05-03-2015, 11:57 PM
Why is that? The best player on BY FAR THE BEST TEAM has some decent stats and we should all now suck his dick? There hasn't been a team as deep as the Warriors since the late 80s Pistons...there's a reason why so many feel isiah is overrated. Steph can be the new Isiah, I suppose. The best player on a stacked team. Here let me be the first to give him a hand for his future FMVP:

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/143/458/458143.gif

Isn't that the same reason LeBald won a few and got his asterisk rings?

Not fair now that someone else is doing it:lol
And to think, the Warriors drafted these guys/traded/FA. No collusion:oldlol:

bobopenguin
05-03-2015, 11:58 PM
Why is that? The best player on BY FAR THE BEST TEAM has some decent stats and we should all now suck his dick? There hasn't been a team as deep as the Warriors since the late 80s Pistons...there's a reason why so many feel isiah is overrated. Steph can be the new Isiah, I suppose. The best player on a stacked team. Here let me be the first to give him a hand for his future FMVP:

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/143/458/458143.gif

so u are not confident that ur team will beat gsw?

navy
05-04-2015, 12:01 AM
The fact that Kobe and Shaq have two combined MVP's is beyond ridiculous and definitely takes some meaning away from the award.

However, I'm glad they got it right this year.
Odd that you dont see the contradiction here but whatever.

J Shuttlesworth
05-04-2015, 12:03 AM
Why is that? The best player on BY FAR THE BEST TEAM has some decent stats and we should all now suck his dick? There hasn't been a team as deep as the Warriors since the late 80s Pistons...there's a reason why so many feel isiah is overrated. Steph can be the new Isiah, I suppose. The best player on a stacked team. Here let me be the first to give him a hand for his future FMVP:

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/143/458/458143.gif
He is a big part of the reason they were the best team in the league, and has been quite amazing in the playoffs so far. CP3 level? No, but Curry fits the NBA's "criteria" for MVP

I still think it should have been Harden, but since voters are relentless on giving it to the guy with the better record, I'm not even mad

Smoke117
05-04-2015, 12:03 AM
Isn't that the same reason LeBald won a few and got his asterisk rings?

Not fair now that someone else is doing it:lol
And to think, the Warriors drafted these guys/traded/FA. No collusion:oldlol:

What does this even mean to me? I could give two shits about Lebron. I'm not a Kobe stan like you so I'm not obsessed about what that f*ck is doing.

SugarHill
05-04-2015, 12:04 AM
curry gonna win mvp and finals mvp in the same year and I remember him on davidson thinking he'd be a serviceable bench player :yaohappy:

J Shuttlesworth
05-04-2015, 12:06 AM
Isn't that the same reason LeBald won a few and got his asterisk rings?

Not fair now that someone else is doing it:lol
And to think, the Warriors drafted these guys/traded/FA. No collusion:oldlol:
Jesus. How much do you actually think about LeBron? It's pretty scary how much Kobe stans bring him in threads that have nothing to do with him

coin24
05-04-2015, 12:07 AM
What does this even mean to...me? I could give two shits about Lebron. I'm not a Kobe stan like you so I'm not obsessed about what that f*ck is doing.

You seem so mad..

I thought you were a rockets fan, clippers fan explains it all:lol
MVP is a bullshit award anyway, criteria seems to change every year to suit an agenda. How Kobe and shaq only have 1 each should be enough to prove that..

Harden and curry were pretty close and I'd be happy if either won it

coin24
05-04-2015, 12:09 AM
Jesus. How much do you actually think about LeBron? It's pretty scary how much Kobe stans bring him in threads that have nothing to do with him

Jesus. How much time do you spend on here. That many posts on an alt and pretending to have different opinions? Take a long hard look at yourself

plowking
05-04-2015, 12:12 AM
You seem so mad..

I thought you were a rockets fan, clippers fan explains it all:lol
MVP is a bullshit award anyway, criteria seems to change every year to suit an agenda. How Kobe and shaq only have 1 each should be enough to prove that..

Harden and curry were pretty close and I'd be happy if either won it

How did the criteria change?

MVP is the biggest individual award in basketball. Just because you want to make it not seem that way, doesn't mean it is.

Smoke117
05-04-2015, 12:12 AM
You seem so mad..

I thought you were a rockets fan, clippers fan explains it all:lol
MVP is a bullshit award anyway, criteria seems to change every year to suit an agenda. How Kobe and shaq only have 1 each should be enough to prove that..

Harden and curry were pretty close and I'd be happy if either won it

I'm not really a Rockets fan...it's just the hate and disrespect to Howard over the last couple of years by you pathetic kobe stans has irked me pretty bad. The premier defensive player in this league by a HUGE MARGIN for three straight disrespected the way he was after he had career changing back surgery? Disgusting. I'm not a Harden fan at all, but he clearly should have been the MVP. He literally was the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. With Dwight ailing and missing half the season and playing hurt most of it? Harden absolutely deserves the MVP. I love the logic of if you have sense...that makes you stan. Because i know basketball and recognize quality i'm a stan or a fan of this or that? Hmph.

Collie
05-04-2015, 12:18 AM
When Harden doesn't have the ball, are the opposing players scared of him? Now think about what Curry does for the GS offense. He's basically a black hole that draws all the defenders to him. He IS the GS offense. Without him, they'd be 45 or so wins - basically a rich man's Milwaukee.

For comparison's sake, let's switch the 2 guys. If you gave Curry carte blanche to shoot as much as he wanted and basically be a one man show, do you think he won't average 27+ ppg? Put Harden on the Warriors on the other hand (with Klay Thompson replaced by an equivalent level PG - say Kyrie). Do they still win 65+ games? Does their offense run as smoothly? Do guys like Draymond and Barnes get the same opportunities to score?

Harison
05-04-2015, 12:25 AM
:applause: :applause: :applause:

jimmybball
05-04-2015, 01:02 AM
Why is that? The best player on BY FAR THE BEST TEAM has some decent stats and we should all now suck his dick? There hasn't been a team as deep as the Warriors since the late 80s Pistons...there's a reason why so many feel isiah is overrated. Steph can be the new Isiah, I suppose. The best player on a stacked team. Here let me be the first to give him a hand for his future FMVP:

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/143/458/458143.gif

There have been deeper teams (e.g., Blazers), but they have been beaten by more superstar stacked teams.

ABfor3
05-04-2015, 01:32 AM
Well deserved, it could have gone either way but I'm not even mad. He had a phenomenal year.

COnDEMnED
05-04-2015, 02:00 AM
Calling all talented Gif'ers!!
Please place a funny harden face over Meg, and a Howard face over Chris.
Curry on Peter. Will rep.
http://http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag241/Anonymous_camo/peterg_zpslxe2ljtm.gif (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/Anonymous_camo/media/peterg_zpslxe2ljtm.gif.html)


PS. YES, he's Meg..

Legends66NBA7
05-04-2015, 02:09 AM
More impressive MVP than Durant's tbh.

No it isn't. .

unknowns8
05-04-2015, 02:14 AM
why cant we all just appreciate the season that this years MVP is having as well as the form of all past MVP's and stop arguing about what this award does to players legacy ... leave the GOAT shit out of it for a while mang

ILLsmak
05-04-2015, 02:20 AM
If you showed that to a person who doesn't know anything about the NBA, they'd assume something else.

That dude has some ****ing huge upper legs?

-Smak

Biggyd81
05-04-2015, 03:33 AM
When Harden doesn't have the ball, are the opposing players scared of him? Now think about what Curry does for the GS offense. He's basically a black hole that draws all the defenders to him. He IS the GS offense. Without him, they'd be 45 or so wins - basically a rich man's Milwaukee.

For comparison's sake, let's switch the 2 guys. If you gave Curry carte blanche to shoot as much as he wanted and basically be a one man show, do you think he won't average 27+ ppg? Put Harden on the Warriors on the other hand (with Klay Thompson replaced by an equivalent level PG - say Kyrie). Do they still win 65+ games? Does their offense run as smoothly? Do guys like Draymond and Barnes get the same opportunities to score?

You sir are an idiot. Period.

warriorfan
05-04-2015, 03:38 AM
When Harden doesn't have the ball, are the opposing players scared of him? Now think about what Curry does for the GS offense. He's basically a black hole that draws all the defenders to him. He IS the GS offense. Without him, they'd be 45 or so wins - basically a rich man's Milwaukee.

For comparison's sake, let's switch the 2 guys. If you gave Curry carte blanche to shoot as much as he wanted and basically be a one man show, do you think he won't average 27+ ppg? Put Harden on the Warriors on the other hand (with Klay Thompson replaced by an equivalent level PG - say Kyrie). Do they still win 65+ games? Does their offense run as smoothly? Do guys like Draymond and Barnes get the same opportunities to score?


Truth

:applause:

Ancient Legend
05-04-2015, 04:43 AM
It would be a travesty if Harden had been the first MVP to win from the free throw line. As for Curry, hard to argue with the best record in the league and beating Harden and the Rockets all 4 times.

BuffaloBill
05-04-2015, 06:12 AM
67 wins

UK2K
05-04-2015, 08:01 AM
When Harden doesn't have the ball, are the opposing players scared of him? Now think about what Curry does for the GS offense. He's basically a black hole that draws all the defenders to him. He IS the GS offense. Without him, they'd be 45 or so wins - basically a rich man's Milwaukee.

For comparison's sake, let's switch the 2 guys. If you gave Curry carte blanche to shoot as much as he wanted and basically be a one man show, do you think he won't average 27+ ppg? Put Harden on the Warriors on the other hand (with Klay Thompson replaced by an equivalent level PG - say Kyrie). Do they still win 65+ games? Does their offense run as smoothly? Do guys like Draymond and Barnes get the same opportunities to score?

If you replaced Curry with George Hill, they still win 60.

If you replaced Harden with anyone but maybe Westbrook and Durant, they don't win 56. Lebron had more talent around him in Cleveland considering Dwight and Bev and Jones and DMo missed 100 games.

Curry won because the MVP = best player on the best team. I have no problem with that, but at least change the name to 'best player on the best team' because he's not the MVP. Harden or Davis deserve that.

DMV2
05-04-2015, 08:06 AM
I told all of ISH that Curry was better than Rondo back in 2011.

Never thought he'd actually be the MVP.

Dresta
05-04-2015, 08:24 AM
If you replaced Curry with George Hill, they still win 60.

If you replaced Harden with anyone but maybe Westbrook and Durant, they don't win 56. Lebron had more talent around him in Cleveland considering Dwight and Bev and Jones and DMo missed 100 games.

Curry won because the MVP = best player on the best team. I have no problem with that, but at least change the name to 'best player on the best team' because he's not the MVP. Harden or Davis deserve that.
That really is the biggest load of shit i've ever heard.

ISHGoat
05-04-2015, 08:38 AM
Well deserved mvp. I wouldn't be mad if it went to harden either, since he did arguably slightly less with A LOT less. Curry put up ridiculous shooting numbers in a historic 3pt season breaking his record from last year. Efficiency really is the key to winning ball games. If you can have a higher TS than the other team and have the same possessions, YOU WIN!

Collie
05-04-2015, 09:30 AM
If you replaced Curry with George Hill, they still win 60.

If you replaced Harden with anyone but maybe Westbrook and Durant, they don't win 56. Lebron had more talent around him in Cleveland considering Dwight and Bev and Jones and DMo missed 100 games.

Curry won because the MVP = best player on the best team. I have no problem with that, but at least change the name to 'best player on the best team' because he's not the MVP. Harden or Davis deserve that.

Is George Hill gonna be breaking down defenses to open up his teammates? Is he gonna be guarded 2 steps from the half court line, opening up the whole court for the rest of the team? Is he gonna make scorers out of Barnes and Draymond Green?

I don't think people realize just how important Stephen Curry is to the GS offense because they see a smooth seamless machine without realizing that Curry is the engine that makes that machine run. Remove him, and you're left with last year's Chicago Bulls. They won't have any reliable scorer aside from Klay Thompson. And I don't believe any team with Klay as the top go-to guy is winning shit.

ArbitraryWater
05-04-2015, 09:50 AM
The fact that Kobe and Shaq have two combined MVP's is beyond ridiculous and definitely takes some meaning away from the award.

However, I'm glad they got it right this year.

You say this like they didn't get it right last year, or in 2013, 2012, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007... they got it right alot of years minus '01, '06, '11.

StephHamann
05-04-2015, 10:51 AM
If you replaced Curry with George Hill, they still win 60.

If you replaced Harden with anyone but maybe Westbrook and Durant, they don't win 56. Lebron had more talent around him in Cleveland considering Dwight and Bev and Jones and DMo missed 100 games.

Curry won because the MVP = best player on the best team. I have no problem with that, but at least change the name to 'best player on the best team' because he's not the MVP. Harden or Davis deserve that.

Howard and Smith were the MVPs against the Mavs. Just stop it.

UK2K
05-04-2015, 10:59 AM
Is George Hill gonna be breaking down defenses to open up his teammates? Is he gonna be guarded 2 steps from the half court line, opening up the whole court for the rest of the team? Is he gonna make scorers out of Barnes and Draymond Green?

I don't think people realize just how important Stephen Curry is to the GS offense because they see a smooth seamless machine without realizing that Curry is the engine that makes that machine run. Remove him, and you're left with last year's Chicago Bulls. They won't have any reliable scorer aside from Klay Thompson. And I don't believe any team with Klay as the top go-to guy is winning shit.

Purely you talking out of your ass. Harrison Barnes isn't a reliable scorer?

Yes, I think if you put Hill in Curry's place, the Warriors still win 60+ games.

The teams defense wouldn't miss a beat, their ball movement wouldn't miss a beat (they all pass well) and their shooting would be similar (Hill is shooting 48% from the floor and 40% from deep). Obviously Curry's penetrating ability would be missed, but other than that... What else?

Curry is much more replaceable than Harden. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Still, Curry got the MVP, as he should have, based on ' best player on best team' voting. I don't have a problem with that. But don't call it MVP because that's not what it is.

UK2K
05-04-2015, 10:59 AM
Howard and Smith were the MVPs against the Mavs. Just stop it.
:roll:

Go on...

Prime_Shaq
05-04-2015, 11:25 AM
If you replaced Curry with George Hill, they still win 60.

If you replaced Harden with anyone but maybe Westbrook and Durant, they don't win 56. Lebron had more talent around him in Cleveland considering Dwight and Bev and Jones and DMo missed 100 games.

Curry won because the MVP = best player on the best team. I have no problem with that, but at least change the name to 'best player on the best team' because he's not the MVP. Harden or Davis deserve that.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
What a load of bullshit

Both were deserving candidates and could've gone either way.

lilteapot
05-04-2015, 11:27 AM
NBA.com/Stats ‏@nbastats 21s22 seconds ago
.@Warriors outscored teams by 17.0 PTS Per 100 Possessions w/ Curry on the floor - the top OnCourt NetRating of any player this season

24-Inch_Chrome
05-04-2015, 11:37 AM
Some Curry stan claimed that he put up the greatest +/- in league history. Anyone have a link to that? I said that his BPM/RAPM was not historically good and was told that he was referring to +/-, not BPM/RAPM. Anyone know which stat he could be referring to? I thought that BPM was standard +/-.

gts
05-04-2015, 11:39 AM
Voting not even close in the end...

http://i62.tinypic.com/2efrqrk.jpg

Legends66NBA7
05-04-2015, 11:52 AM
I don't get how LeBron would even get 5 1st place votes. Nobody else should have got any 1st place votes outside of Curry and Harden.

I was expecting a more closer race than 100 to 25.

lilteapot
05-04-2015, 11:54 AM
I don't get how LeBron would even get 5 1st place votes. Nobody else should have got any 1st place votes outside of Curry and Harden.

I was expecting a more closer race than 100 to 25.
Are you really sweating the fact that Lebron got votes even though Curry won in a landslide?

BigNBAfan
05-04-2015, 11:54 AM
but who will the players give the mvp to?

Legends66NBA7
05-04-2015, 11:55 AM
Are you really sweating the fact that Lebron got votes even though Curry won in a landslide?

I'm not sweating, it's just a nitpick.

It's like when Kobe got a 1st place vote for the 2011 MVP or Melo getting a 1st place vote for 2013 MVP. Don't see what's the point.

Heavincent
05-04-2015, 12:07 PM
If you replaced Curry with George Hill, they still win 60.


:facepalm

kshutts1
05-04-2015, 12:30 PM
The MVP criteria really needs to be explained.

Curry was, hands-down, the MVP for the league.
Harden was, in my opinion, the MVP of his particular team.
The distinction being that Curry generated more positive excitement about the league than anyone else, while Harden added more to his team (did-most-with-least sort of hypothetical comparison) than anyone else.

That said, the fact that literally every person I've ever met or talked to or seen post about basketball uses MVPs as a way to measure a player's All-Time ranking, including those that vote for said MVP, shows that an MVP award has "real" historical "meaning".

A hundred years from now, when no one that has seen Curry play is alive, he will be viewed, in some respects, as good as Kobe and Shaq, and worse than Nash. That's a travesty.

The whole system needs an overhaul.

Every year, including going back to the start of the NBA, since people that witnessed that time are still alive, the NBA should nominate...
MVP - with clearly defined criteria. Will likely (though mistakenly) take in to account team record
Best Player - I view this as "MVP if we didn't know records". But it can be viewed in different ways. Again, the criteria should be made public.
Best Offensive Player - Obvious and, as always, criteria made public
Best Defensive Player - Same

These four "awards" give a much better historical snapshot of both a player that wins, and that particular NBA season.
This year?
MVP - Curry
Best - Lebron
Offensive - Curry
Defensive - Leonard

Chadwin
05-04-2015, 12:31 PM
How did the criteria change?

MVP is the biggest individual award in basketball. Just because you want to make it not seem that way, doesn't mean it is.

best team's best player (2015)

narrative of one guy carrying scrubs/injuries (2001, 2011)

gts
05-04-2015, 12:36 PM
How did the criteria change?

MVP is the biggest individual award in basketball. Just because you want to make it not seem that way, doesn't mean it is.

It hasn't really changed...Criteria has been consistent for the last 30 years

Best player on one of the best teams, been that way forever

Chadwin
05-04-2015, 12:37 PM
It hasn't really changed...Criteria has been consistent for the last 30 years

Best player on one of the best teams, been that way forever

then Shaq should have gotten it in 2001

LakersForlife
05-04-2015, 12:48 PM
the voting wasnt even close .

ArbitraryWater
05-04-2015, 01:03 PM
then Shaq should have gotten it in 2001

well, he should have....

MVP usually goes to best Player, unless another top guy matches him statistically with similar wins, or wins at an historic rate.

gts
05-04-2015, 01:03 PM
then Shaq should have gotten it in 2001Iverson deserved it that year.. same record as the Lakers with less help plus Kobe hurt Shaq that year because he played well... He even got MVP votes so you could say Kobe's play kept that award away from Shaq

When you average 28.7 ppg and Kobe averages 28.5 per game and plays more minutes than Shaq it's hard to make an argument he was the clear cut best player on the team

TheMarkMadsen
05-04-2015, 01:04 PM
Yes, I think if you put Hill in Curry's place, the Warriors still win 60+ games.




Curry reaching Kobe level of hate

:roll: :roll:

"replace the best guard in the game with an average player and the results are the same"

ihoopallday
05-04-2015, 01:19 PM
Awesome for Curry! He sure has surpassed what most (including me) thought he'd be in the league. :applause: :applause:

Dubs510
05-04-2015, 01:27 PM
Purely you talking out of your ass. Harrison Barnes isn't a reliable scorer?

Yes, I think if you put Hill in Curry's place, the Warriors still win 60+ games.

The teams defense wouldn't miss a beat, their ball movement wouldn't miss a beat (they all pass well) and their shooting would be similar (Hill is shooting 48% from the floor and 40% from deep). Obviously Curry's penetrating ability would be missed, but other than that... What else?

Curry is much more replaceable than Harden. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Still, Curry got the MVP, as he should have, based on ' best player on best team' voting. I don't have a problem with that. But don't call it MVP because that's not what it is.

:roll: Barnes isn't a reliable scorer. Dumbest post I seen in a while. Hill? Really

robert de niro
05-04-2015, 01:37 PM
That's ok

BlakFrankWhite
05-04-2015, 01:45 PM
The Real MVP


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gts
05-04-2015, 01:47 PM
The Real MVP


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CELdw6AUUAAxAA2.jpg:lol I think one criteria for the voters is your team actually making the playoffs

Yes I know they vote before the end of the season but still

ballup
05-04-2015, 01:49 PM
Saw the voting, not even close baby!!

k0kakw0rld
05-04-2015, 02:00 PM
The Real MVP


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CELdw6AUUAAxAA2.jpg
Your number always will look good when you do everything by yourself.

Hero ball don't bring wins. MVP does not mean averaging 30/10/10. You gotta be able to do that and put your team in the position to win a championship. (Which means make the playoffs). Stop b!tching K.Love got the same treatment. Tough Love bruh!

Hittin_Shots
05-04-2015, 02:03 PM
The Real MVP


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CELdw6AUUAAxAA2.jpg

Where's the TO's and shooting percentages?

Bernkastel
05-04-2015, 02:29 PM
Harden was robbed.

Fudge
05-04-2015, 02:42 PM
Harden was robbed.
Yup. Everybody knows this. Even Warrior fans.

jimmybball
05-04-2015, 03:04 PM
I'm glad it is officially official.

Hulk
05-04-2015, 04:13 PM
I Never thought I would see a Warrior win MVP before I died.:bowdown: :bowdown:

I need the championship all my teams suck.:cry:

Dubs510
05-04-2015, 04:43 PM
harden soo salty :roll: :roll:

SHAQisGOAT
05-04-2015, 04:47 PM
Congrats to Curry. Deserved.

supernova5912
05-04-2015, 05:05 PM
Not that I like Harden, but he clearly deserved it more. He led the Rockets to the 2nd seed with 56 wins despite Beverley missing 26 games, Howard missing 41 games, and Jones missing 49 games. This isn't to mention he averaged 27.4 points, 7.0 assists, 5.7 rebounds, and 1.9 steals with a 51.1 eFG%, 60.5 TS%, and a 26.7 PER. Now, I absolutely abhore how Harden scores, especially exaggerating contact to receive additional freethrows, but the results don't lie. Harden was clearly the most "valuable" player in the league. While Stephen Curry is certainly a great player, he benefits from a deep roster, relatively healthy teammates, and excellent coaching. If Curry and Harden were on each other's teams, the Warriors would produce equal or better results while Rockets would likely fail to make the playoffs.

24-Inch_Chrome
05-04-2015, 05:06 PM
If Curry and Harden were on each other's teams, the Warriors would produce equal or better results while Rockets would likely fail to make the playoffs.

:roll:

jimmybball
05-04-2015, 05:21 PM
So who put Steph Curry 5th on their ballot? I bet it was somebody from Houston's media.

KOBEtherealKing
05-04-2015, 05:58 PM
Lebron broke the MVP curse then durant got cursed by lil b and it continued, now it is up to curry to break again

PsychoBe
05-04-2015, 05:59 PM
Not that I like Harden, but he clearly deserved it more. He led the Rockets to the 2nd seed with 56 wins despite Beverley missing 26 games, Howard missing 41 games, and Jones missing 49 games. This isn't to mention he averaged 27.4 points, 7.0 assists, 5.7 rebounds, and 1.9 steals with a 51.1 eFG%, 60.5 TS%, and a 26.7 PER. Now, I absolutely abhore how Harden scores, especially exaggerating contact to receive additional freethrows, but the results don't lie. Harden was clearly the most "valuable" player in the league. While Stephen Curry is certainly a great player, he benefits from a deep roster, relatively healthy teammates, and excellent coaching. If Curry and Harden were on each other's teams, the Warriors would produce equal or better results while Rockets would likely fail to make the playoffs.

steph carried klay thompson, draymond green, bogut, (no lee), andre igudola (lol), and a bunch of no name players to 67 wins.

let me repeat that.

67 wins.

let me say it one more time.

67 wins.

okay once more.

67 wins.

he took that cast to 67 wins.

he deserved it.

fragokota
05-04-2015, 06:04 PM
Well deserved, congrats to Curry.

jimmybball
05-04-2015, 06:09 PM
steph carried klay thompson, draymond green, bogut, (no lee), andre igudola (lol), and a bunch of no name players to 67 wins.

let me repeat that.

67 wins.

let me say it one more time.

67 wins.

okay once more.

67 wins.

he took that cast to 67 wins.

he deserved it.

Seriously. The Harden fans want him to get it because his team was injured, and maybe they would be right if it were Warriors 57 wins vs Rockets 56 wins, but 67 wins is one of the best records of all time.

Achilleas
05-04-2015, 06:14 PM
curry didn't thank "coach" jackson :banana:


"Next question?" "Yes, Mark Jackson from ESPN. Before this year, did you ever have a coach that put you in a position to succeed?" "Nope." :oldlol:

jimmybball
05-04-2015, 06:20 PM
:roll:

supernova better be trolling. :oldlol:

JebronLames
05-04-2015, 06:35 PM
LeBron with another top 3 mvp finish to add to his resume

Ca$H
05-04-2015, 06:39 PM
LeBron with another top 3 mvp finish to add to his resume

Curry > Bran as a player and as a human being.

upside24
05-04-2015, 07:02 PM
Curry is the first player to win MVP averaging under 33 MPG, his numbers would have been better if he played more.
This. Didn't he sit over 14 4th quarters this year because of the Warriors destroying teams?

I don't find his numbers weak at all considering how explosive his scoring is and the ability to hit ridiculous threes despite intense defensive attention.

Sometimes it's not about numbers but rather watching the skill level and abilities a player has though his numbers were great.

Chadwin
05-04-2015, 07:06 PM
Iverson deserved it that year.. same record as the Lakers with less help plus Kobe hurt Shaq that year because he played well... He even got MVP votes so you could say Kobe's play kept that award away from Shaq

When you average 28.7 ppg and Kobe averages 28.5 per game and plays more minutes than Shaq it's hard to make an argument he was the clear cut best player on the team

same record as the Lakers in the east, chucking his way to 31 ppg on terrible efficiency

Cleverness
05-04-2015, 08:04 PM
Good for him. Harden did more with less at the end of the day.

Harden did not do more with less. You may argue that Dwight Howard, arguably a top 10 player in the league, missed games due to injury, but Harden did not do more. Harden was 0-4 vs Steph and had less wins. That means he did less. Stop hating on the undisputed MVP. Good day sir.

warriorfan
05-04-2015, 08:08 PM
Alpha Male Curry killed it, wasn't even close. Shows how stupid all the Harden 4 MVP stans were.

daily
05-04-2015, 08:09 PM
Alpha Male Curry killed it, wasn't even close. Shows how stupid all the Harden 4 MVP stans were.


Since allstar break everyone who watches ball has been saying it's Curry's award and it's not even close and sure enough it's Curry's award and it wasn't even close

Ca$H
05-04-2015, 08:11 PM
Alpha Male Curry killed it, wasn't even close. Shows how stupid all the Harden 4 MVP stans were.

ISH trolls don't know anything.

Chadwin
05-04-2015, 11:01 PM
Harden, 2015 win shares champion:applause:

Ramiah
05-05-2015, 02:07 AM
Congrats to Young Chef.

dubeta
05-05-2015, 02:42 AM
Steph Curry = Kobe all time

Anyone care to prove me wrong?

1 = 1

KiiiiNG
05-05-2015, 02:45 AM
Steph Curry = Kobe all time

Anyone care to prove me wrong?

1 = 1
IDK man Kobe has a lot more of them ringz

BlakFrankWhite
05-05-2015, 02:57 AM
steph carried klay thompson, draymond green, bogut, (no lee), andre igudola (lol), and a bunch of no name players to 67 wins.

let me repeat that.

67 wins.

let me say it one more time.

67 wins.

okay once more.

67 wins.

he took that cast to 67 wins.

he deserved it.

you're messed up in the head....Klay's one of the best 3pt shooters in the league..and a great defender at SG....Green and Bogut are elite defenders....Iggy was one of the best 6th man of the year

Curry had a lot of help,unlike Harden

BlakFrankWhite
05-05-2015, 02:58 AM
Harden, 2015 win shares champion:applause:


lmao,he led the scoring for 73 games...GOATbrook comes in right at the end and takes it.

oarabbus
05-05-2015, 03:12 AM
:banana: Curry da MVP

jimmybball
05-05-2015, 03:14 AM
Harden did not do more with less. You may argue that Dwight Howard, arguably a top 10 player in the league, missed games due to injury, but Harden did not do more. Harden was 0-4 vs Steph and had less wins. That means he did less. Stop hating on the undisputed MVP. Good day sir.

Agreed. He did less with less.

julizaver
05-05-2015, 06:56 AM
Well deserved as most would say. It was not his fault that his team was dominating most of the games in the first 3 quarters (with him in the line-up) and he sat down the 4th, he played on MVP level when on floor, delivered when his team needed most. So he was the obvious choice as his team finished with top record on the league, and he is the star player.

Someone could point out that other players were more important to their teams (James, Harden, Westbrook). I personally have Curry ahead in that season rankings for the following reasons:

1. He was far more efficient then Harden and give him Harden's 4 minutes more he would have Harden's season averages.
2. Westbrook give it all in the games he played and give it all on the court. And I think that the news that KD will missed the playoffs broke the OKC spirit at he end of the season, not to mention other key players injuries. As a downside of his career season (so far) a lot of here could point out his low FG %, but for his team to win (with all those injuries) he need to shoot more. Westbrook himself missed 15 games and his team missed the playoffs - that's the simple facts and given both Curry rising and his team success in the reg.season I would give the edge to Curry.
3. In my opinion Lebron James is still the best player in the league, but this season is arguibly his worst comparing to his previous years (judging by his own standards set during his career). And he missed some games also (13). Due to all of that I would give the edge to Curry.

SwayDizzle
05-05-2015, 08:11 AM
Great MVP speech.

sportjames23
05-05-2015, 09:11 AM
SCurry is that dude.

LemonMan
05-05-2015, 10:12 AM
Steph deserved it, and still remained humble. Great guy on and off the court and I m happy to see someone like him recieve the mvp. See you guys in wcf

Derka
05-05-2015, 10:21 AM
:applause: :applause: :applause:

Inferno
05-05-2015, 07:23 PM
steph carried klay thompson, draymond green, bogut, (no lee), andre igudola (lol), and a bunch of no name players to 67 wins.

let me repeat that.

67 wins.

let me say it one more time.

67 wins.

okay once more.

67 wins.

he took that cast to 67 wins.

he deserved it.

Curry definitely makes all those guys better, but the Warriors as a team overall aren't some joke...it's not the Steph + scrubs show :coleman:

KiiiiNG
05-05-2015, 07:26 PM
Curry isn't a bright kid.

Maybe for a 17 year old, but let's be real he's almost 30...

He didn't do a very good job at articulating intelligent thoughts. He struggled immensely on the microphone.

He can't ever be the face of the NBA with a monotone speech pattern and a mumbling problem

zizozain
05-05-2015, 08:21 PM
Curry isn't a bright kid.

Maybe for a 17 year old, but let's be real he's almost 30...

He didn't do a very good job at articulating intelligent thoughts. He struggled immensely on the microphone.

He can't ever be the face of the NBA with a monotone speech pattern and a mumbling problem
you sound like a lebron stan.

negged. no more green

Cold soul
05-05-2015, 09:58 PM
Congrats to Curry well deserved. He had a great season even though he's one of weakest MVP ever as in caliber of player still best shooter the game has ever seen.

Akrazotile
05-05-2015, 10:39 PM
LOL silver soundin kinda awkward there

SaltyMeatballs
05-05-2015, 10:46 PM
steph carried klay thompson, draymond green, bogut, (no lee), andre igudola (lol), and a bunch of no name players to 67 wins.

let me repeat that.

67 wins.

let me say it one more time.

67 wins.

okay once more.

67 wins.

he took that cast to 67 wins.

he deserved it.
How in the shit are Klay, Bogut, Green, and Iggy a bunch of no name players?? The cast Curry had is one of the greatest.

TheMarkMadsen
05-05-2015, 10:56 PM
How in the shit are Klay, Bogut, Green, and Iggy a bunch of no name players?? The cast Curry had is one of the greatest.

oh ffs :facepalm :roll:

Legends66NBA7
05-05-2015, 11:00 PM
Curry's cast isn't a bunch of scrubs, but they fit with him so well.

Shooters everywhere and great interior defense. Very versatile. Kerr's done a good job too.

SaltyMeatballs
05-05-2015, 11:06 PM
oh ffs :facepalm :roll:
You're stupid if you think otherwise

Klay Thompson - One of the best shooters the league has ever seen. Averaged 22 ppg and adds great defense
Draymond Green - Good all-around game, and plays relentless defense. Probably the best role player in the NBA
Andrew Bogut - One of the best post defenders in the league
Harrison Barnes - Really improved compared to last season. Plays good d and gives some really solid scoring for a role player
Andre Iguodala - One of the best perimeter defenders and good all-around game
Marresse Speights, David Lee, Leandro Barbosa - Solid scorers off the bench

Legends66NBA7
05-05-2015, 11:20 PM
You're stupid if you think otherwise

Klay Thompson - One of the best shooters the league has ever seen. Averaged 22 ppg and adds great defense
Draymond Green - Good all-around game, and plays relentless defense. Probably the best role player in the NBA
Andrew Bogut - One of the best post defenders in the league
Harrison Barnes - Really improved compared to last season. Plays good d and gives some really solid scoring for a role player
Andre Iguodala - One of the best perimeter defenders and good all-around game
Marresse Speights, David Lee, Leandro Barbosa - Solid scorers off the bench

Green should have won DPOY, IMO. Bogut is also a DPOY candidate when he's at full strength.

Collie
05-05-2015, 11:20 PM
The problem with the GS supporting cast is that they're a GREAT defensive team but a bad offensive one.

Without Curry, you're left with basically Klay Thompson as the only guy who can create his shot. And I love Klay, but he's not a guy you can rely on to get you points by himself. Without Curry, you're looking at maybe 50 wins at the most if you replace him with someone like say, George Hill. They'd basically be the Indiana Pacers or Chicago Bulls (with no Rose) of these past 2 years - 45-50 win teams that aren't getting anywhere due to the lack of offensive firepower. And we're not even considering what Curry brings to the table in terms of providing his teammates scoring opportunities.

So Curry pushes them from a mid playoff seed at best (in the West), to one of the greatest regular season teams in history. They also go from a lower portion of the NBA offensive team to the best offensive team in the league.

TheMarkMadsen
05-05-2015, 11:21 PM
You're stupid if you think otherwise

Klay Thompson - One of the best shooters the league has ever seen. Averaged 22 ppg and adds great defense
Draymond Green - Good all-around game, and plays relentless defense. Probably the best role player in the NBA
Andrew Bogut - One of the best post defenders in the league
Harrison Barnes - Really improved compared to last season. Plays good d and gives some really solid scoring for a role player
Andre Iguodala - One of the best perimeter defenders and good all-around game
Marresse Speights, David Lee, Leandro Barbosa - Solid scorers off the bench


that's your argument for them being the best supporting cast of all time??

:roll: :roll:

are you really trying to say these guys are a better supporting cast than 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers..

you might as well just post "i'm 15" and be done with it

that or you're just a troll

Legends66NBA7
05-05-2015, 11:23 PM
that's your argument for them being the best supporting cast of all time??

He never said that.

Legends66NBA7
05-05-2015, 11:25 PM
The problem with the GS supporting cast is that they're a GREAT defensive team but a bad offensive one.

Without Curry, you're left with basically Klay Thompson as the only guy who can create his shot. And I love Klay, but he's not a guy you can rely on to get you points by himself. Without Curry, you're looking at maybe 50 wins at the most if you replace him with someone like say, George Hill. They'd basically be the Indiana Pacers or Chicago Bulls (with no Rose) of these past 2 years - 45-50 win teams that aren't getting anywhere due to the lack of offensive firepower. And we're not even considering what Curry brings to the table in terms of providing his teammates scoring opportunities.

So Curry pushes them from a mid playoff seed at best (in the West), to one of the greatest regular season teams in history. They also go from a lower portion of the NBA offensive team to the best offensive team in the league.

This is very true in terms of players creating their own offense.

Golden State is 2nd in the league in the offense but a lot of that has to do with Steph and that's what really helps his MVP case.

TheMarkMadsen
05-05-2015, 11:28 PM
He never said that.

they aren't even close to being one of the greatest.

Legends66NBA7
05-05-2015, 11:34 PM
they aren't even close to being one of the greatest.

You have a list of who are the greatest, most stacked teams of all-time ?

TheMarkMadsen
05-05-2015, 11:44 PM
You have a list of who are the greatest, most stacked teams of all-time ?

if i did this warrior team wouldn't come close..?

I can't believe you're even trying to entertain this thought

08 Celtics, 06 Suns, 07 Suns, 86 Celtics, 87 Lakers, 02 Kings, 71 Lakers, multiple Spurs teams, 83 76ers, 84 Celtics, 85 Celtics, 85 Lakers, 86 Lakers, 89 Pistons, 93 Bulls, 96 Buls, 04 Pistons

that's just off the top of my head teams with better supporting cast around their best player, and there are so many others

24-Inch_Chrome
05-05-2015, 11:46 PM
2006 Suns? The year they had Stoudemire for 3 games? :roll:

TheMarkMadsen
05-05-2015, 11:51 PM
2006 Suns? The year they had Stoudemire for 3 games? :roll:

i was going off the top of my head, you can easily just replace them with the 05 Suns when they had JJ, Amare, Marion, Diaw, Barbosa..is that all you have for a response?

I swear, you guys get so caught up in the moment it's unbelievable, yes the Warriors have some very defensive players around Curry, but without Curry their offense is nothing more than average.

SaltyMeatballs
05-05-2015, 11:52 PM
that's your argument for them being the best supporting cast of all time??

:roll: :roll:

are you really trying to say these guys are a better supporting cast than 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers..

you might as well just post "i'm 15" and be done with it

that or you're just a troll
Go back and read my post first post you ****ing idiot. I never once said BEST OF ALL TIME. I said ONE of the best. Not THE best. Don't twist my words, Lakers fan.

Legends66NBA7
05-05-2015, 11:53 PM
if i did this warrior team wouldn't come close..?

I can't believe you're even trying to entertain this thought

08 Celtics, 06 Suns, 07 Suns, 86 Celtics, 87 Lakers, 02 Kings, 71 Lakers, multiple Spurs teams, 83 76ers, 84 Celtics, 85 Celtics, 85 Lakers, 86 Lakers, 89 Pistons, 93 Bulls, 96 Buls, 04 Pistons

that's just off the top of my head teams with better supporting cast around their best player, and there are so many others

I wasn't entertaining anything. I haven't brought up how GS is one of the most stacked teams of all-time. They are a great team and are the best team right now, look at their overall record and historically the numbers back this up as one of the best. Whether they can win it all is yet to be decided.


I would take these Warriors over the prime Nash era Suns (05 Suns were the best version) because they play better defense. Same thing with the Kings. Never really thought the 04 Pistons were stacked overall but when they got Rasheed were a great starting unit. That would actually be pretty cool series.