Weaker MVP winner: 2011 Rose or 2015 Curry?

[Fudge]

Didn't want to say worst. That would still be one of Nash's MVP's. These two are probably up there right after his, though.

Anyways, who you guys got?

[warriorfan]

:oldlol: @ OKC fans all butthurt cause durant is fishing with a footcast while Alpha Male Curry MVP dominates the post season.



Night night little boy, make sure you snuggle with your fat L.

[Fudge]

I wonder how Harden feels about this. Like, dude got straight robbed...

Oh my.

Dude is gonna go OFF on them Flippers.

[ArbitraryWater]

You desperately try to make it out as a weak MVP campaign... sorry, it wasn't.

[Beastmode88]

Alfred in 2014. Was about to lose in the 2nd round to memphis if it wasn't for reggie bailout jackson.

[brandonislegend]

Curry didn't play like 20 4th quarters or some shit.

Think about that.

[Fudge]

Curry didn't play like 20 4th quarters or some shit.

Think about that.
:applause:

...

:facepalm

What a disgrace.

[Lensanity]

Derrick Rose shot 44.5% for 25 PPG in 37.4 MPG, and he was shooting mostly 2 pointers. Stephen Curry is taking ridiculous shots and long 3's with the defense draped all over him and he still shot 48.7% in 32.7 MPG.

It is absolutely not even close. 2011 Rose was possibly the worst MVP season of all time

[Fudge]

Derrick Rose shot 44.5% for 25 PPG in 37.4 MPG, and he was shooting mostly 2 pointers. Stephen Curry is taking ridiculous shots and long 3's with the defense draped all over him and he still shot 48.7% in 32.7 MPG.

It is absolutely not even close. 2011 Rose was possibly the worst MVP season of all time
Curry=3rd worst?

[Spurs m8]

Didn't want to say worst. That would still be one of Nash's MVP's. These two are probably up there right after his, though.

Anyways, who you guys got?

Someone is a cut little bitch today

Sucked in tbh

[Jameerthefear]

curry is better than rose ever was

[Ca$H]

Didn't want to say worst. That would still be one of Nash's MVP's. These two are probably up there right after his, though.

Anyways, who you guys got?

Bruce Jenner.

[LAZERUSS]

Derrick Rose shot 44.5% for 25 PPG in 37.4 MPG, and he was shooting mostly 2 pointers. Stephen Curry is taking ridiculous shots and long 3's with the defense draped all over him and he still shot 48.7% in 32.7 MPG.

It is absolutely not even close. 2011 Rose was possibly the worst MVP season of all time

Rose won 93% of the 1st place votes in his MVP season. Was the entire league the worst in it's history?

[navy]

Both MVPs were fine. The only way people will look back at this and say Curry didnt deserve it is if he flames out of the postseason and Harden succeeds.

[Chadwin]

Rose

there were 3 guys ahead of him in win shares (lebron, dwight, cp3)

lebron was way ahead of him

[bballnoob1192]

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2mhgadc.jpg

[finchyyy]

Rose won 93% of the 1st place votes in his MVP season. Was the entire league the worst in it's history?

Voting fatigue, people were sick of voting for LeBron.

[Fudge]

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2mhgadc.jpg
:applause:

[jimmybball]

Curry is a great MVP. Not sure why people hate on this so much.

[Real14]

2013 winner iz weaker than both especially since he didn't deserve it at all.

[SpecialQue]

I look forward to seeing this idiotic discussion come up every few months for the remainder of ISH's existence.

[Legends66NBA7]

Perhaps Bob Cousy's is the worst MVP.

[Bigsmoke]

Current Curry was flat out better than 2011 Rose..... So.....

[nathanjizzle]

Point gaurd discrimination is obvious.

[nathanjizzle]

Voting fatigue, people were sick of voting for LeBron.

Is that why he won 2 more after 2011? Its rediculius some would say "voter fatigue" to belittle roses mvp performance

[funnystuff]

2011 Rose and the Nash MVPs are the only ones weaker than 2015 Curry.

[TheMan]

:oldlol: @ OKC fans all butthurt cause durant is fishing with a footcast while Alpha Male Curry MVP dominates the post season.



Night night little boy, make sure you snuggle with your fat L.
dat rat poison :applause:

[Big Cheese]

Voting fatigue, people were sick of voting for LeBron.

it had more to do with the LBJ hate being at its peak and the media trying to fabricate a new face of the league.

[BlakFrankWhite]

2015 curry

but overall its:
2013 Bron

it should have been KD..who had 28/8/5 on 51/40/91 :bowdown:

[Relinquish]

Rose and it's not even close.

[BigTicket]

Obviously Rose.

Their numbers look similar because Curry played a lot fewer minutes, but he's far more efficient than Rose, and advanced stats clearly show that his impact is far larger.

And I doubt Curry gets completely shut down in the postseason like Rose did.

Btw, 15 Curry is also better than 06 Nash, 05 Nash and 01 Iverson.

[Collie]

Would you consider Dr. J or Dirk weak MVPs during their MVP year? Because their stats aren't better than Curry's.

[SexSymbol]

Both MVP runs were well deserved ant definitely not weak at all.
Rose had his teammates miss a lot of the games and he still dragged them to 60 wins. Curry straight up dominated the competition this year in three quarters of play and continues his domination into the POs.

[tontoz]

Curry took 8 3s per game shooting 44%. His TS on the season was 63.8%.

Rose's TS in his MVP season was 55%.

Dumb thread. There were several guys more deserving in 2011.

[Ncrazyballa]

Dumb thread. There were several guys more deserving in 2011.

That is why it was a unanimous decision in 2011? But all of a sudden your ignorant opinion matters 4 years later? Dumb poster. No one was close to Derrick Rose in deserving the MVP in 2011.

[Fallen Angel]

Why do people ignore that Boozer and Noah both missed significant amount of games and the Bulls still finished with the best record.

[Dr Hawk]

That is why it was a unanimous decision in 2011? But all of a sudden your ignorant opinion matters 4 years later? Dumb poster. No one was close to Derrick Rose in deserving the MVP in 2011.

Dwight had a better RS than Rose. DPOY + 23/14/1.4/1.4/2.4 .616 TS%

Sadly, MVP is not about who had the best individual season, so according to the league criteria (about what I disagree), Rose was the right MVP.


On topic, Rose

[NumberSix]

Quite clearly Rose.

[DMV2]

Stephen Curry is already the cutest MVP of all-time.

[ISHGoat]

Honestly drose's mvp season is one of the worst of all time. He had some clutch moments against good teams, but a handful of plays in a handful of games should not be weighed more than an entire body of work. He was basically Russell Westbrook out there, chucking shots inefficiently left and right. Also, what about defense? Dwight should have won and it's not even close. Dwights legacy takes a huge leap forward with that one Mvp, while rose stays irrelevant.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Stephen Curry is already the cutest MVP of all-time.


D-Rose is cuter

[nathanjizzle]

Honestly drose's mvp season is one of the worst of all time. He had some clutch moments against good teams, but a handful of plays in a handful of games should not be weighed more than an entire body of work. He was basically Russell Westbrook out there, chucking shots inefficiently left and right. Also, what about defense? Dwight should have won and it's not even close. Dwights legacy takes a huge leap forward with that one Mvp, while rose stays irrelevant.

30-10 record in clutch games is a few clutch moments? Were u only watching espn highlights

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Would you consider Dr. J or Dirk weak MVPs during their MVP year? Because their stats aren't better than Curry's.
:biggums: :biggums:

Dirk carried a sht team to 67 wins!! same wins as Curry with a MUCH WORSE supporting cast and coach. Dirk was a way better regular season MVP

[ShawkFactory]

Why do people ignore that Boozer and Noah both missed significant amount of games and the Bulls still finished with the best record.
Because nobody remembers

[Chadwin]

Why do people ignore that Boozer and Noah both missed significant amount of games and the Bulls still finished with the best record.

That's the problem with the award, it's inconsistent.

If you use the 2011 criteria (carrying an injured/scrub team to the playoffs), then Harden or Davis should have won.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

2011 Rose.

[TheMan]

Better question, Worst poster here? Tough question so many deserving candidates but Fudge is a legit choice as anyone

[Droid101]

Fudge is legit shook since this announcement for some reason. Weird.

[Fudge]

Ok, so 2011 Rose was the weakest MVP winner EVER according to most.

Is Curry the 2nd weakest ever?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Curry's MVP wasn't weak.

[Legends66NBA7]

Ok, so 2011 Rose was the weakest MVP winner EVER according to most.

Is Curry the 2nd weakest ever?

Neither are weak in terms of what happened during their respective seasons.

[smoovegittar]

Just salty Hard-on didn't get the nod. :cry:

[PsychoBe]

That's the problem with the award, it's inconsistent.

If you use the 2011 criteria (carrying an injured/scrub team to the playoffs), then Harden or Davis should have won.

bulls had the best record :facepalm

they won over 60 games even with significant injuries all because of rose.

then dwight got hurt and he flamed out after the all-star break, bran and wade were both putting up too similar numbers for one to get a unanimous nod over the other (plus they had each other and still had a worse record and went 0-3 vs the bulls) and you have yourself the runaway mvp of 2011.

[Big Cheese]

TS%
Curry: .638
Rose: .550

WS48:
Curry: .288
Rose: .208

BPM:
Curry: 9.9
Rose: 5.9

PER:
Curry: 28.0
Rose: 23.5

[Chadwin]

bulls had the best record :facepalm

they won over 60 games even with significant injuries all because of rose.

then dwight got hurt and he flamed out after the all-star break, bran and wade were both putting up too similar numbers for one to get a unanimous nod over the other (plus they had each other and still had a worse record and went 0-3 vs the bulls) and you have yourself the runaway mvp of 2011.

I meant 2001.

[tontoz]

That is why it was a unanimous decision in 2011? But all of a sudden your ignorant opinion matters 4 years later? Dumb poster. No one was close to Derrick Rose in deserving the MVP in 2011.


Being popular and being deserving are two different things. Obviously English isn't your first language.

[tontoz]

That's the problem with the award, it's inconsistent.

If you use the 2011 criteria (carrying an injured/scrub team to the playoffs), then Harden or Davis should have won.


That "scrub team" had winning records the following 2 years while Rose was out hurt.

[noob cake]

Rose' MVP was weak as crap .

Harden had a marginal case over Curry, but Curry winning is not a travesty.

LeBron was way better than Rose.

Dwight had a clear case over Rose. Even Kobe was pretty close.

[nathanjizzle]

Being popular and being deserving are two different things. Obviously English isn't your first language.

:roll: now youre saying the criteria for mvp is the "most popular" player? definitely being popular and playing incredible will be synonymous, how else would you be popular in the nba? and when coaches like doc rivers, phil jackson, players like dwyane wade and many others chose rose as mvp for that season was because he was popular to them? idiot. please stop spreading your ignorance.

[Cleverness]

Of the 130 votes:
100 1st place votes
26 2nd place votes

:eek:

[tontoz]

:roll: now youre saying the criteria for mvp is the "most popular" player? definitely being popular and playing incredible will be synonymous, how else would you be popular in the nba? and when coaches like doc rivers, phil jackson, players like dwyane wade and many others chose rose as mvp for that season was because he was popular to them? idiot. please stop spreading your ignorance.


They gave Rose a lot more credit for their record than he actually deserved. People underestimated the rest of the team which was proven when he was out hurt.

By MVP standards his numbers were weak and that is why his name is always brought up in these "worst MVP threads" none of which i have started.

The MVP award has been a popularity contest for decades. Why do you think Shaq has only 1 MVP? Do you really think it is because other players deserved it more than him? :roll:

[Pointguard]

They gave Rose a lot more credit for their record than he actually deserved. People underestimated the rest of the team which was proven when he was out hurt.
They didn't win a playoff game after he got hurt the first year. A team that couldn't break a trap in the playoffs won two rounds with Rose having an uncommon amount of offensive responsibility.



By MVP standards his numbers were weak and that is why his name is always brought up in these "worst MVP threads" none of which i have started.

The MVP award has been a popularity contest for decades. Why do you think Shaq has only 1 MVP? Do you really think it is because other players deserved it more than him? :roll:
:lol Rose wasn't popular, he was a newbie. The best minds in the sport perhaps ever (Phil Jackson and Pop) talked of his leadership and clear cut choice. Lebron, Nash, Kobe and Kidd also gave his glowing support. You never hear of young getting that type of backing for MVP. You get the best minds in the sport, the smartest players in the sport and the over 90% of the people selected to vote go with Rose, and its weak because of hater idiots on this board? Riiiight.

Sorry but Kobe/Duncan/KG were all capable of great years carrying their team. Lebron, Wade, Chris Paul, Tony Parker and Bosh were in their prime. Durant already his second scoring title. Dirk's best year. DH's best year. 10 HOFers capable of great years. This is not including Paul Pierce and Gasol. Nobody had the numbers that year but all things are relative. It was that type of year.

Contrast that with this year ... Amazingly CP3 is the only one that can carry over for this year. Not one proven player had much of a year. Harden was the only one that can be said to carry his team. Lebron fell off hard. Westbrook was crazy good but feel off when the team needed him.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

ISH's biggest Rose apologist. :applause:

[Pointguard]

ISH's biggest Rose apologist. :applause:
I never make apologies for him. You guys are irrational haters. To the point it doesn't make sense. Nobody is going to come back at me. I wonder why?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Because no one cares. :confusedshrug:

It's the same type of thing as responding to some crazy homeless person you see talking to themselves on the street.

[Pointguard]

Because no one cares. :confusedshrug:

It's the same type of thing as responding to some crazy homeless person you see talking to themselves on the street.
Sorry guy you are hardly bright enough to make witty comebacks.

If you think people don't care about Rose winning MVP's you obviously can't read. I can show you over two dozen Rose MVP threads easily. If fact your dumb weak senseless azz talks about the topic frequently without even a position.

[Jameerthefear]

Curry shits on Rose now and forever. Next.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/funny%20gifs/grand/retard-funny-gifs-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-804.gif

:sleeping

[Jameerthefear]

:sleeping
:roll:

[Pointguard]

:sleeping
Is that your idol? You are getting closer to substance in your post. Give it a year or two you might actually make a good point here one day.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/funny%20gifs/grand/retard-funny-gifs-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-804.gif

:sleeping

:confusedshrug:

[outbreak]

Curry is the clear cut MVP this year, Rose shouldn't have won as Dwight was the clear cut MVP that year

[Pointguard]

Curry is the clear cut MVP this year, Rose shouldn't have won as Dwight was the clear cut MVP that year
He got 4 first place MVP votes. The four journalist in Orlando who were obligated to vote that way. He was indeed the MVP before the All Star break. But that's when the real guys step up. Dwight stepped off.

[Pointguard]

:sleeping
:lol I predicted you wouldn't say anything because I know your limitations. And you know you can't.

Check.

[Jameerthefear]

He got 4 first place MVP votes. The four journalist in Orlando who were obligated to vote that way. He was indeed the MVP before the All Star break. But that's when the real guys step up. Dwight stepped off.
and i guess when Mr. 6% shit his pants in the ECF is when the real guys really stepped in

[24-Inch_Chrome]

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/funny%20gifs/grand/retard-funny-gifs-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-804.gif

:sleeping

What do you expect. :confusedshrug:

I said that you're a Rose stan. That is a fact. No sense/point in engaging with a player stan.

[ChrisKreager]

Curry won MVP coming out of a stacked conference in which one division sent everyone to the playoffs.

He ain't weak.

[Pointguard]

Curry won MVP coming out of a stacked conference in which one division sent everyone to the playoffs.

He ain't weak.
I agree, He's not weak or a bad choice at all. I'm happy when a PG wins it. I don't really think you can compare players of different years with other players easily at all.

[Pointguard]

:sleeping

What do you expect. :confusedshrug:

I said that you're a Rose stan. That is a fact. No sense/point in engaging with a player stan.

OK. forget the Rose argument, but is it really possible to not be a player stan at some level? You don't have favorite(s)?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

OK. forget the Rose argument, but is it really possible to not be a player stan at some level? You don't have favorite(s)?

The player I come closest to stanning is Steve Nash, and that's largely because he gets underrated on these boards and needs to be defended (though I do acknowledge his faults). Apart from that I'll happily praise/criticize any player.

[tontoz]

They didn't win a playoff game after he got hurt the first year. .

:facepalm

Obviously your memory isn't very good. They won an elimination game without him.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320508004

Then the next year they got to round 2 and took game one against the eventual champs in Miami.

[Jameerthefear]

:facepalm

Obviously your memory isn't very good. They won an elimination game without him.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320508004

Then the next year they got to round 2 and took game one against the eventual champs in Miami.
Dude straight up lies on here to prop up Rose :oldlol:

[nathanjizzle]

They gave Rose a lot more credit for their record than he actually deserved. People underestimated the rest of the team which was proven when he was out hurt.

By MVP standards his numbers were weak and that is why his name is always brought up in these "worst MVP threads" none of which i have started.


rose playing and winning 62 games (with noah and boozer missing many games) vs a 44 win team isnt a difference? ignorance. how about this
here are the bulls records against the top 8 teams in the league for 3 seasons one with a healthy rose, one with a semi healthy rose, and one with no rose.

2010-2011 (healthy rose)
14-7

2011-2012 (semi healthy rose)
9-6


2012-2013 (no rose)
5-12

even replacing rose with nate robinson in the playoffs whom played extraordinary, won the first round in 7 games, compared to with rose who went to the ecf with only 2 loses.

But rose doesnt deserve the credit of being an MVP caliber player because his stateline? :roll: . he only did average 27 points and 7 assists against the top 8 teams in the league that year, and had a record of 30-10 in clutch games. keep spreading your ignorance though. at 43 years of age you seem to be a negative to society.

[TimmyDuncan]

Curry didn't play like 20 4th quarters or some shit.

Think about that.


That's the dumbest argument ever

He was so good that his team was so ahead in the 4th that he didn't play in it. Yes what a loser

If anything it cost him on the stats line. If Kerr helped him statpad in the 4th like others do, he could have something like 1 or 2 more points and 1 more assist in his regular season stat line

[Optimus Prime]

Rose and it's not even close.

Though if Harden had won, that would have been the worst MVP ever.

:kobe:

[DMAVS41]

Clearly Rose

Both deserved MVP though

[Pointguard]

:facepalm

Obviously your memory isn't very good. They won an elimination game without him.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320508004

Then the next year they got to round 2 and took game one against the eventual champs in Miami.
Wait so I totally trash your whole comment and you only respond to me missing a game in which the horrid Sixers lost a game? Then you brag about a Nets series in which the Nets looked so petrified they practically blew the team up and then Paul Pierce really said they were still incorrigible after he and KG arrived. And this is your bragging point? I dont know if you just dont know the game or Haterism has made you mad.

[Derka]

Warriors nearly win 70 games with this guy leading the way and he's a weak MVP.

Alright then.

[tontoz]

Wait so I totally trash your whole comment and you only respond to me missing a game in which the horrid Sixers lost a game? Then you brag about a Nets series in which the Nets looked so petrified they practically blew the team up and then Paul Pierce really said they were still incorrigible after he and KG arrived. And this is your bragging point? I dont know if you just dont know the game or Haterism has made you mad.


If trashing my argument means blatantly lying then you certainly accomplished that lol. Not only did the Bulls win a playoff game that you claimed they didn't, they also beat the eventual champs on their home floor in the 2nd round the following year without Rose.

They have literally had a winning record every year without Rose ever since he got hurt yet stans like you keep pretending like Rose was carrying a mediocre team.

The Bulls calling card in 2011 was their number 1 ranked defense. Are you going to pretend like Rose actually had something to do with that?

[Pointguard]

If trashing my argument means blatantly lying then you certainly accomplished that lol.

This is how you know a guys argument is garbage. It was a small oversight that you are trying to make into a mountain because that's all you got to save face. That Sixer's team was horrible and not ready for the playoffs. So what if the Bulls beat them one game out of the next five. You make yourself look like an idiot placing this type of emphasis on one game to a horrible team.


Not only did the Bulls win a playoff game that you claimed they didn't, they also beat the eventual champs on their home floor in the 2nd round the following year without Rose.
8 seeds win games all the time. It happens a whole lot. For you to sit here and try to make it a big deal is hilarious.


They have literally had a winning record every year without Rose ever since he got hurt yet stans like you keep pretending like Rose was carrying a mediocre team.
There is a great defensive team nearly every year. They rarely have the best record in the league. Carrying the offense of a team is a big job for any one individual. Having the best record in the league has hardly ever been done.


The Bulls calling card in 2011 was their number 1 ranked defense. Are you going to pretend like Rose actually had something to do with that?
Name me an point guard that came off on Rose the whole year? There might be one exception and that's it. That's rarely ever gets done by great defensive specialist much less superstars. They, the Bulls, had the number one perimeter defense in the league. Rose was the best defensive guard on the team. Show me another shooting guard, much less a point guard, that ever held a healthy Wade down in the playoffs like Rose did? Rose was also the only player on the team top three in a defensive category at his position.

What does a team with great defense need? Great offense. Rose was responsible for more of his teams offense than any other player.

[Millennium X]

Durant is the weakest MVP ever. Rose was much better than Durant. Curry too.

Honestly Durant sucked in the playoffs and proved he was not even a top 5 player.

[Pointguard]

The player I come closest to stanning is Steve Nash, and that's largely because he gets underrated on these boards and needs to be defended (though I do acknowledge his faults). Apart from that I'll happily praise/criticize any player.
Yeah, I think Steve is a huge oversight as well. But, if you think his underrating is in the same universe as Rose is you've lost it. I think if watch the sport its fine to really like it. This trying to be balanced will mean nothing to you. A fan is a fan, you mind as well enjoy it. There is no merit in being critical without enjoying it. People hate here without much basketball knowledge, just hate.

[Heavincent]

Rose was much better than Durant. Curry too.


:roll:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Yeah, I think Steve is a huge oversight as well. But, if you think his underrating is in the same universe as Rose is you've lost it. I think if watch the sport its fine to really like it. This trying to be balanced will mean nothing to you. A fan is a fan, you mind as well enjoy it. There is no merit in being critical without enjoying it. People hate here without much basketball knowledge, just hate.

I've found Nash to be more underrated than Rose, though that's a product of what I've seen on here, which is probably different than what you've seen. No doubt I'd be more drawn to a thread on Nash while you would be more drawn to one on Rose.

Rose is still creating his legacy while Nash's is complete, so (at least to me) underrating Nash means downplaying an 18 year career while underrating Rose is downplaying 7. In simpler terms, Derrick Rose has yet to establish himself as a historically great player (though that isn't all his fault as he's been very banged up over the past few seasons) while Nash's completed r

[KiiiiNG]

Yeah, I think Steve is a huge oversight as well. But, if you think his underrating is in the same universe as Rose is you've lost it. I think if watch the sport its fine to really like it. This trying to be balanced will mean nothing to you. A fan is a fan, you mind as well enjoy it. There is no merit in being critical without enjoying it. People hate here without much basketball knowledge, just hate.
Yo pointguard, BIG fan here...

I'm curious to see who you think are the top 5 players in the NBA currently.

You can include guys like Durant and Love, if need be. Just assume those guys will be healthy next year.

[sp6r=underrated]

Even if you're very down on Curry he is still a reasonable choice for MVP. He is maybe the best shooter in NBA history and an excellent passer. You could throw him on any team in the league and he would make a major contribution to the club in a variety of styles.

Rose, while better than his critics allege, didn't have a great argument for MVP at the time and it looks silly in retrospect. The Bulls won primarily that year because of their defense. Rose played a minor role there. His offense is pretty good but it was never best in the NBA level.

[Millennium X]

Seriously Durant sucked for an MVP. He's one of the 2 weakest ever along with Malone.

[Pointguard]

[QUOTE=24-Inch_Chrome]I've found Nash to be more underrated than Rose, though that's a product of what I've seen on here, which is probably different than what you've seen. No doubt I'd be more drawn to a thread on Nash while you would be more drawn to one on Rose.

Rose is still creating his legacy while Nash's is complete, so (at least to me) underrating Nash means downplaying an 18 year career while underrating Rose is downplaying 7. In simpler terms, Derrick Rose has yet to establish himself as a historically great player (though that isn't all his fault as he's been very banged up over the past few seasons) while Nash's completed r

[SaltyMeatballs]

Durant is the weakest MVP ever. Rose was much better than Durant. Curry too.

Honestly Durant sucked in the playoffs and proved he was not even a top 5 player.
Open your window and just jump out.

[Lexington Steel]

Durant is the weakest MVP ever. Rose was much better than Durant. Curry too.

Honestly Durant sucked in the playoffs and proved he was not even a top 5 player.
(rĕnt′frē′)

[Pointguard]

Yo pointguard, BIG fan here...

I'm curious to see who you think are the top 5 players in the NBA currently.

You can include guys like Durant and Love, if need be. Just assume those guys will be healthy next year.
Love, huh???

Lebron
Durant
Harden
UniBrow
Curry

I do think Westbrook would have outplayed Curry in the playoffs this year. But Curry, plays great team ball, so I'm kind of torn. Its obvious that its a great time to step up in the league. Only two surefire HOFers at the moment? Not a lot of toughness or hardcore leaders in there either. 10 years ago:

Shaq
Duncan
KG
Kobe
TMac



On a side note.
Rose has yet to get his floater back which is perhaps his best indicator that he is close in some measure to himself. His jumpshot should also be better next year. But it is unfair to say these things are there.

[FKAri]

How is Nash a weak MVP?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

How is Nash a weak MVP?

He isn't. Too many posters are obsessed with raw stats and ignore his offensive impact. In 2005 he led the Suns to the 2nd best offense since 1977 as far as ORTG relative to league average and 60 wins and in 2006 he led them to 54 wins (without Stoudemire) on 50-40-90 shooting. At the very least he was a deserving candidate for both years.

[Pointguard]

He isn't. Too many posters are obsessed with raw stats and ignore his offensive impact. In 2005 he led the Suns to the 2nd best offense since 1977 as far as ORTG relative to league average and 60 wins and in 2006 he led them to 54 wins (without Stoudemire) on 50-40-90 shooting. At the very least he was a deserving candidate for both years.
Yes, and players like Amare, Joe Johnson, Barbosa, Diaw and Raja Bell all found dimensions to their game that they didn't know about. The team showed up every day ready to play. He was true engine for those guys. He was the glue and the attack.

[Prime_Shaq]

Nash wasn't a weak MVP whatsoever. However, Shaq was more deserving.

[tontoz]

There is a great defensive team nearly every year. They rarely have the best record in the league. Carrying the offense of a team is a big job for any one individual.


They had the best record in the league the following year as well with Rose missing 41% of the games. Was he carrying them from the bench?

:oldlol:

They were 10th in offensive efficiency in Rose's MVP year. They were 5th in offensive efficiency the following year with Rose missing 41% of the games.

But lets pretend that Rose was carrying them.

[nathanjizzle]

They had the best record in the league the following year as well with Rose missing 41% of the games. Was he carrying them from the bench?

:oldlol:

They were 10th in offensive efficiency in Rose's MVP year. They were 5th in offensive efficiency the following year with Rose missing 41% of the games.

But lets pretend that Rose was carrying them.

bulls record with rose that year was
31-7 81%

without rose
19-9 67%

are you going to act like rose isnt carrying the team to elite status? :roll: :roll: :roll:

keep being ignorant though.

[Pointguard]

bulls record with rose that year was
31-7 81%

without rose
19-9 67%

are you going to act like rose isnt carrying the team to elite status? :roll: :roll: :roll:

keep being ignorant though.
Thanks Nate, this guy's hate controls of his brain. There is nobody who watched basketball that could not tell they simply weren't contender without Rose.

[tontoz]

bulls record with rose that year was
31-7 81%

without rose
19-9 67%

are you going to act like rose isnt carrying the team to elite status? :roll: :roll: :roll:

keep being ignorant though.


A team that is winning 67% of it's games isn't mediocre so the idea that Rose was carrying a mediocre team is pure nonsense.

Rose missed 27 of the 66 games yet the Bulls were still number 1 in defensive efficiency and 5th in offensive efficiency. They were a good team without Rose which is something Rose stans like yourself can never admit.

The Warriors were 9-6 without Bogut so obviously they are a better team with him. Does that mean Bogut carried the Warriors this year?