Islam unleashes it's terror against cartoonists. In America this time

[HitandRun Reggie]

But the Islamic terrorists are killed by Texas cops almost immediately, after only managing to shoot the ankle of a security guard who was a protecting an exhibit awarding prizes for the best depictions of mohammed.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Shots-Fired-at-Prophet-Muhammad-Art-Event-302362751.html

[Balla_Status]

Don't mess with Texas

[gigantes]

i get that this group is trying to promote free speech and all that jazz, but their plan just seems so ass-backwards to me.

it's the moral equivalent of forcing a square peg through a round hole and then calling it a smooth operation. it never will be. as long as you have a repressive, fundamentalist system of thinking that's alive, well and growing, you are going to have friction and murder over stuff like this.

i also can't imagine being a woman in charge of the org that came up with this plan. that's like icing on the cake to pissed-off muslims. beyond the daily death, rape and mutilation threats which i'm sure she receives, they'll probably find her splattered across her living room floor one day...

[Dresta]

Drew them out, killed them: good job.

:applause:

[gigantes]

they drew out a couple of the three stooges.

not a plan i'd put much faith in going forward.

[BigNBAfan]

start limiting people named Muhammad, **** em, they can keep their peace in the middle east.

Retards think they can mess with TX?

[fiddy]

start limiting people named Muhammad, **** em, they can keep their peace in the middle east.

Retards think they can mess with TX?
Muhammad=the most common name among newborns in the UK

[NumberSix]

Muhammad=the most common name among newborns in the UK
That's only because Muslims only have about 5 names to choose from (3 of them being different spellings of Mohammed) whereas everybody else has endless options.

[Giaodollo]

That's only because Muslims only have about 5 names to choose from (3 of them being different spellings of Mohammed) whereas everybody else has endless options.

Isn't also because a lot of muslims use it as a middle name/second name? I read something along those lines.

[BigNBAfan]

Muhammad=the most common name among newborns in the UK


RIP UK

[BigTicket]

This seems like an incredible stupid target if you are a muslim extremists.

This was an anti-muslim group in Texas ...

Even if the cops didn't show up, I am certain that most of the people who would join such a group own multiple firearms, and probably carry one to the meeting.

[Nick Young]

i get that this group is trying to promote free speech and all that jazz, but their plan just seems so ass-backwards to me.

it's the moral equivalent of forcing a square peg through a round hole and then calling it a smooth operation. it never will be. as long as you have a repressive, fundamentalist system of thinking that's alive, well and growing, you are going to have friction and murder over stuff like this.

i also can't imagine being a woman in charge of the org that came up with this plan. that's like icing on the cake to pissed-off muslims. beyond the daily death, rape and mutilation threats which i'm sure she receives, they'll probably find her splattered across her living room floor one day...
There are no such thing as blasphemy and heresy laws in America. We can make fun of Mormons. We can make fun of Scientologists. We can make fun of Jesus. We can make fun of Moses. We can make fun of Mohammad. Deal with it.

[BigTicket]

There are no such thing as blasphemy and heresy laws in America. We can make fun of Mormons. We can make fun of Scientologists. We can make fun of Jesus. We can make fun of Moses. We can make fun of Mohammad. Deal with it.

Sure, you have the right to make fun of any religion you want, and you should have that right, but that doesn't mean you should actually do it.

[Nick Young]

Sure, you have the right to make fun of any religion you want, and you should have that right, but that doesn't mean you should actually do it.
Why? :confusedshrug:

[Velocirap31]

I like Texas. The rest of the world is so paranoid about offending others/getting sued, but Texas is like f*ck it.

[Dresta]

Sure, you have the right to make fun of any religion you want, and you should have that right, but that doesn't mean you should actually do it.
Yeah, do something simply because the maniacs with guns and illogical demands wants us to - because that isn't a self-destructive kind of logic. Islam does not deserve some special treatment, and giving it special treatment will only give it an aura the other religions do not have. In the most basic sense it is religious discrimination in favour of people who are openly hostile to America and its values.

Nonsensical, weak and masochistic it is.

[Velocirap31]

As for Geller, she said she plans on holding similar events.

"I will not abridge my freedoms so as not to offend savages," she said.

:applause:

[gigantes]

There are no such thing as blasphemy and heresy laws in America. We can make fun of Mormons. We can make fun of Scientologists. We can make fun of Jesus. We can make fun of Moses. We can make fun of Mohammad. Deal with it.
i am and was dealing with it. was that somehow unclear...?

but yeah, you can stroll in to a biker bar and and shout "WHATS UP F-GGOTS?" at the top of your lungs, but just because some words are written on a piece of paper somewhere does not mean there won't be consequences to your actions. that just how it be, brokowski.

the laws of nature supercede anything that man can come up with, and its not a particularly close contest.

[Nick Young]

i am and was dealing with it. was that somehow unclear...?

but yeah, you can stroll in to a biker bar and and shout "WHATS UP F-GGOTS?" at the top of your lungs, but just because some words are written on a piece of paper somewhere does not mean there won't be consequences to your actions. that just how it be, brokowski.

the laws of nature supercede anything that man can come up with, and its not a particularly close contest.
Religion is not free from criticism. We are well within our rights as Americans to poke fun at people's little cults. There are no heresy and blasphemy laws here. No religion is above any other religion, and exempt from being mocked. This isn't the 1400s.

Stop victim blaming, 'brokowski'.

[gigantes]

Religion is not free from criticism. We are well within our rights as Americans to poke fun at people's little cults. There are no heresy and blasphemy laws here. No religion is above any other religion, and exempt from being mocked. This isn't the 1400s.

Stop victim blaming, 'brokowski'.
i'm not arguing any of that, brosephina.

sounds like you are having an imaginary conversation in your head or something.

[Nick Young]

i'm not arguing any of that, brosephina.

sounds like you are having an imaginary conversation in your head or something.
sounds like you got a problem with freedom of speech and separation of church and state, girlfriend.:confusedshrug:

[gigantes]

sounds like you got a problem with freedom of speech and separation of church and state, girl.:confusedshrug:
sounds like reading comprehension is not your thing.

best wishes with all that. :cheers:

[NumberSix]

i am and was dealing with it. was that somehow unclear...?

but yeah, you can stroll in to a biker bar and and shout "WHATS UP F-GGOTS?" at the top of your lungs, but just because some words are written on a piece of paper somewhere does not mean there won't be consequences to your actions. that just how it be, brokowski.

the laws of nature supercede anything that man can come up with, and its not a particularly close contest.
Being offended by words doesn't give you a right to react with violence. If you do decide to react to words with violence, the other person does have a right to defend themselves by whatever means are necessary.

When you react to words with violence, you are granting the other person the right to potentially end your life.

[Nick Young]

sounds like reading comprehension is not your thing.

best wishes with all that. :cheers:
You are a terrorism apologist. Begone.

[Nick Young]

He's not saying otherwise

He's saying he doesn't think you should do it know a violent reaction is likely
That's called bending over and presenting your ass to terrorists for mating season.

"Don't draw that prophet! We might anger some meanies with guns! It's ok to draw that other prophet doe."

USA society is not about bending over to terrorists breh.

[KevinNYC]

This was an anti-muslim group in Texas ...

As for Geller, she said she plans on holding similar events.

"I will not abridge my freedoms so as not to offend savages," she said.

:applause:
This is not a Texas based group. This is not a bunch of hicks. The organization is based out of NY. Pam Geller lives on the Upper West side and is a hate-filled and loathsome person. She's not a free-speech activist and she certainly doesn't care if other people's first amendment rights are trampled on.

She's not as horrible as murdering Islamist, but she ain't good. She also seems to be a verifiable lunatic. The Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik was a fan of hers. (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2011/07/christian_terrorism.html)
In a manifesto posted online, the admitted killer, Anders Behring Breivik, praised Geller. He cited her blog, Atlas Shrugs, and the writings of her friends, allies, and collaborators—Robert Spencer, Jihad Watch, Islam Watch, and Front Page magazine—more than 250 times. And he echoed their tactics, tarring peaceful Muslims with the crimes of violent Muslims. He wrote that all Muslims sought to impose "sharia laws" and that "there are no important theological differences between jihadists and so-called 'peaceful' or 'moderate' Muslims." He reprinted, as part of the manifesto, a 2006 essay by "Fjordman"—a blogger whose work appears frequently on Geller's site—which argued that "radical Muslims and moderate Muslims are allies" and that because Islam teaches deception, no Muslim who claims to be moderate can be trusted.

[Nick Young]

People acting like this is about freedom of Speech hahah. This is all about bigotry and hatred and all sides are to blame. Like it or not but America is at war with the Muslim world, and this is just another attack in order to provocate and divide the world. People acting like these hicks are on some noble crusade to protect freedom and the constitution, when the reality is these cutns know nothing about Islam, and cant even locate Syria/Iraq /The Middle East on a map. If this is all about Freedom of Speech where were all these carttons 20/30/40/50/60/70/80/90/100 years ago? Freedom of Speech wasnt worth protecting back then?

I hate Islam more than all of you fools put together on here. But what you all dont realise is that these hicks deliberatly going out of their way to inflame tensions and demonise a whole society of people are just as dangerous as those jihhadist fukcs who flew those planes into them towers. Probly even more so. When theyre not busy shooting their children in schools, theyll be murdering Muslim children in the Middle East
It doesn't matter why they did it. No one should expect violent retaliation for making a drawing that offends someone.

[BigNBAfan]

i get that this group is trying to promote free speech and all that jazz, but their plan just seems so ass-backwards to me.

it's the moral equivalent of forcing a square peg through a round hole and then calling it a smooth operation. it never will be. as long as you have a repressive, fundamentalist system of thinking that's alive, well and growing, you are going to have friction and murder over stuff like this.

i also can't imagine being a woman in charge of the org that came up with this plan. that's like icing on the cake to pissed-off muslims. beyond the daily death, rape and mutilation threats which i'm sure she receives, they'll probably find her splattered across her living room floor one day...

So what, and she'll die doing what she thinks is right while abiding the law unlike these muslims. You ****ing idiots think events demonstrating freedom of speech is crazy, but it serves to uphold a constitutional right, dont down play that you useless ****.

Before long the rights you once thought you had will be reinterpreted and taken away, such as your 2nd amendment although Texas is still the closest to its intention.

[BigNBAfan]

People acting like this is about freedom of Speech hahah. This is all about bigotry and hatred and all sides are to blame. Like it or not but America is at war with the Muslim world, and this is just another attack in order to provocate and divide the world. People acting like these hicks are on some noble crusade to protect freedom and the constitution, when the reality is these cutns know nothing about Islam, and cant even locate Syria/Iraq /The Middle East on a map. If this is all about Freedom of Speech where were all these carttons 20/30/40/50/60/70/80/90/100 years ago? Freedom of Speech wasnt worth protecting back then?

I hate Islam more than all of you fools put together on here. But what you all dont realise is that these hicks deliberatly going out of their way to inflame tensions and demonise a whole society of people are just as dangerous as those jihhadist fukcs who flew those planes into them towers. Probly even more so. When theyre not busy shooting their children in schools, theyll be murdering Muslim children in the Middle East

Was it or was it not freedom of speech that allowed for the cartoon to be made? was it or was it not freedom of speech that made those monkey muslims react violently?

[KevinNYC]

So what, and she'll die doing what she thinks is right while abiding the law unlike these muslims. You ****ing idiots think events demonstrating freedom of speech is crazy, but it serves to uphold a constitutional right, dont down play that you useless ****.

Before long the rights you once thought you had will be reinterpreted and taken away, such as your 2nd amendment although Texas is still the closest to its intention.
Except, she's demonstrably in favor of taking away other people's first amendment rights.

Also her real-life trolling got a security guard shot.

[BigNBAfan]

Except, she's demonstrably in favor of taking away other people's first amendment rights.

Also her real-life trolling got a security guard shot.

Exception to what? She has a right to believe in whatever she wants, if she wants muslims banned so be it, let her demonstrate and try to make it happen, it's her right. Theres nothing illegal of ideology, it's the actions that have consequence.

And no, her trolling didn't get anyone shot, the two morons that din't believe in her constitutional right's actions got the officer shot. Stop blaming the victim for demonstrating her rights.

[zoom17]

Idiots tried this in Texas where every other person has a gun lol.

[NumberSix]

This is not a Texas based group. This is not a bunch of hicks. The organization is based out of NY. Pam Geller lives on the Upper West side and is a hate-filled and loathsome person. She's not a free-speech activist and she certainly doesn't care if other people's first amendment rights are trampled on.
Really? You're talking about a woman who has herself helped young Muslim women escape abusive situations, forced underage marriages and threats of honour killing. What the hell have you done that makes you so self righteous?


Except, she's demonstrably in favor of taking away other people's first amendment rights.
So, demonstrate it.


Also her real-life trolling got a security guard shot.
Is that like how a woman running her mouth gets her smacked or wearing a short skirt gets her raped?

[Velocirap31]

Idiots trying this in Texas where every other person has a gun lol.

First thing I thought of to. Those were some heavy duty police/security. I don't know why the terrorists thought they'd make it far.

[NumberSix]

It's beyond me how these lefties are always on the side of savagery, as long as it's not from someone who is Christian, male, or god forbid, white.

Hey, KevinNYC, if some idiot Christian shot up a gay wedding because it "offends his religion" would you be arguing that the gays "got people shot"?

[BigNBAfan]

It's beyond me how these lefties are always on the side of savagery, as long as it's not from someone who is Christian, male, or god forbid, white.

Hey, KevinNYC, if some idiot Christian shot up a gay wedding because it "offends his religion" would you be arguing that the gays "got people shot"?

of course lefties would because the gays were trolling and asking for it to happen so the death is on them

[Nick Young]

Except, she's demonstrably in favor of taking away other people's first amendment rights.

Also her real-life trolling got a security guard shot.
You are blaming people drawing the cartoons more than the nutjobs who came to try to kill people for drawing cartoons:facepalm

[NumberSix]

An idiot wouldnt expect it. When youre involved in wars with a group of people for 20 years then you should def expect a response when you do stuff like that. What do you thing blacks would have done if people started doing shit like this just after Martin Luther King Jr was murdered? Why cant people joke about the Holocause in America?

Free Speech doesnt give you the right to spread hatred and division. And if thats what Free Speech is then its no wonder the rest of the world doesnt want it.
You can. People publish books all the time claiming "the holocaust never happened", it's a "Jewish conspiracy" and all types of nonsense. Nobody kills these people or shoots up their events.

[Nick Young]

An idiot wouldnt expect it. When youre involved in wars with a group of people for 20 years then you should def expect a response when you do stuff like that. What do you thing blacks would have done if people started doing shit like this just after Martin Luther King Jr was murdered? What if they were allowed to draw cartoons of blacks with big fat lips eating watermelon etc? Why cant people joke about the Holocause in America? Why cant Jews be shown as money hungry and with big noses in american produced cartoons?

Free Speech doesnt give you the right to spread hatred and division. And if thats what Free Speech is then its no wonder the rest of the world doesnt want it.
People can joke about the holocaust. Comedians do it all the time. People also joke about black people stereotypes all the time. There are still hate groups in America putting out publications or stereotype racist charicatures of Jews and black people. No one expects to get shot for making these jokes, or racist pamphlets.

Jews can be shown as racist charicature stereotypes in American cartoons. They just don't generally appear in the mainstream because animation is expensive and racism is not very commercially profitable these days in the US.

Meanwhile, draw a cartoon of Mohammad and it's almost like society says you deserve for a terrorist with an AK47 to show up at your doorstep and shoot you up.:facepalm

PC society today is against "victim blaming" but UH OH! If you make a drawing of Mohammad, YOU DESERVE WHATEVER COMES, EVEN VIOLENCE.

Embassies get burned down? The Imperialist West deserves it!

[BigNBAfan]

An idiot wouldnt expect it. When youre involved in wars with a group of people for 20 years then you should def expect a response when you do stuff like that. What do you thing blacks would have done if people started doing shit like this just after Martin Luther King Jr was murdered? Why cant people joke about the Holocause in America?

Free Speech doesnt give you the right to spread hatred and division. And if thats what Free Speech is then its no wonder the rest of the world doesnt want it.

Who says she wasn't expecting it? There's no doubt she knew there was a chance of something like this happening but how do you prepare for terrorists? They had extensive security, and spent an extra 10k+ on off duty cops.

Art mocking a religious figure is hatred? Dude... every other religious figure is mocked, why should this be any different?

[CavaliersFTW]

Except, she's demonstrably in favor of taking away other people's first amendment rights.

Also her real-life trolling got a security guard shot.
Um, no. The people with guns intent on shooting the security officer got a security officer shot.

[BigNBAfan]

Show me a major publication in America (akin to Charlie Hedbo) who publishes stereotypical cartoons or caricatures of the stereotypical money hungry Jew? Why doesnt Disney/Warner Brothers allow their old videos of Africans Americans to be aired? Why have the edited out their 'Mammy' character from re runs of Tom and Jerry?

Stop changing the topic, and why are you trying to be passive aggressive? According to KevinNYC if you said this to me in person and i was jewish and i shot you, it would be your fault for trolling.

[Nick Young]

Um, no. The people with guns intent on shooting the security officer got a security officer shot.
Forreal. These people's doublespeak is unreal:roll: :roll: :roll:

When did progressive and liberal start to mean fascist totalitarian?:roll:

[NumberSix]

Show me a major publication in America (akin to Charlie Hedbo) who publishes stereotypical cartoons or caricatures of the stereotypical money hungry Jew? Why doesnt Disney/Warner Brothers allow their old videos of Africans Americans to be aired? Why have the edited out their 'Mammy' character from re runs of Tom and Jerry?
Charlie Hebdo is not American. You should be asking for a major FRENCH publication that does that.

[Nick Young]

Show me a major publication in America (akin to Charlie Hedbo) who publishes stereotypical cartoons or caricatures of the stereotypical money hungry Jew? Why doesnt Disney/Warner Brothers allow their old videos of Africans Americans to be aired? Why have the edited out their 'Mammy' character from re runs of Tom and Jerry?
This kind of thing is not commercially profitable in America. Major publications are major because they appeal to a large demographic and make lots of money. Publishing racist cartoons turns off a large portion of the American audience and would lose money and alienate readers.

If you want racist cartoons they are out there, just not in publications that have large readerships.

Disney are a cooperation and can do whatever they want with their old animations. If you want them to release their old racist cartoons, you should start a petition and get millions of people to sign it. If it seems like it will be profitable for them, Disney will re-release these racist cartoons.

[NumberSix]

Forreal. These people's doublespeak is unreal:roll: :roll: :roll:

When did progressive and liberal start to mean fascist totalitarian?:roll:
Always?

There's no coincidence as to why people on the left hate things like private schools. They'd prefer that everybody be indoc.... I mean, educated by the state.

[Nick Young]

They deserve to get shot for drawing cartoons.
:facepalm

[BigNBAfan]

I ciuldnt give a sh!t who they mock. I think all religions are garbage. But people have a right to not only antagonise others, but also protect their own. These guys are only drawing these cartoons becuase they know it will antagonise and spread hatred. What do they expect is going to happen besides retaliation and the eventual death of innocent civilians? Theyre protecting their values by encouraging their enemies to murder their own people? Why werent they producing these cartoons before America was at war with the Muslim world? This isnt freedom of speech at all, its a product of a terrible conflict that has already caused the deaths of millions around the world. Its just provoking a response.

1. How do you even know their intent? Maybe their intent was publicity as Religion/controvercial issues always create - and just because you mock something or somebody doesn't mean you hate it. There's a difference, and it's a ****ing cartoon, get your head out of your ass.

2. How could Charlie of expected these muslims to kill over a cartoon? Has this ever happened before to any other religion?

3. No such thing as encouraging murder... when no laws have been broken.

[Droid101]

Always?

There's no coincidence as to why people on the left hate things like private schools. They'd prefer that everybody be indoc.... I mean, educated by the state.
"People on the left" don't hate private schools, the **** are you talking about?

People on the left DO hate school voucher programs that go toward "private schools" that are nothing more than bible schools that teach math is a perversion of god and other such nonsense.

[CavaliersFTW]

Stop changing the topic, and why are you trying to be passive aggressive? According to KevinNYC if you said this to me in person and i was jewish and i shot you, it would be your fault for trolling.
:roll: seriously that's what I got from his comment too, blame the person who jokes or throws an insult not the person who reacts violently and pulls a trigger. Reward violent people with intolerance and penalize the non-violent people with a sense of humor.

[CavaliersFTW]

I ciuldnt give a sh!t who they mock. I think all religions are garbage. But people have a right to not only antagonise others, but also protect their own. These guys are only drawing these cartoons becuase they know it will antagonise and spread hatred. What do they expect is going to happen besides retaliation and the eventual death of innocent civilians? Theyre protecting their values by encouraging their enemies to murder their own people? Why werent they producing these cartoons before America was at war with the Muslim world? This isnt freedom of speech at all, its a product of a terrible conflict that has already caused the deaths of millions around the world. Its just provoking a response.
Um no, not with guns and violence. When merely a verbal insult is thrown at you.

You sound like a lunatic. The kinda kid that would think it righteous to bring a gun to school because someone picked on you.

[~primetime~]

Texas: 1
Mohammed: 0

[BigTicket]

Yeah, do something simply because the maniacs with guns and illogical demands wants us to - because that isn't a self-destructive kind of logic. Islam does not deserve some special treatment, and giving it special treatment will only give it an aura the other religions do not have. In the most basic sense it is religious discrimination in favour of people who are openly hostile to America and its values.

Nonsensical, weak and masochistic it is.

I don't give a shit what the muslim extremists want, that's not why you shouldn't go out of your way to insult muslims. The reason is much simpler, it's not a nice thing to do.

Similarly you could also write racist things about other ethnicities if you wanted, or go around randomly insulting people in the street, but that would make you a dick.

[~primetime~]

First thing I thought of to. Those were some heavy duty police/security. I don't know why the terrorists thought they'd make it far.
they rolled up and the security was like this:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3538708/matrix-gun-rack-o.gif

[Nick Young]

I don't give a shit what the muslim extremists want, that's not why you shouldn't go out of your way to insult muslims. The reason is much simpler, it's not a nice thing to do.

Similarly you could also write racist things about other ethnicities if you wanted, or go around randomly insulting people in the street, but that would make you a dick.
Islam is not an 'ethnicity' or a race. It's a religious ideology followed by people of all races all over the world.

[BigNBAfan]

Im not excusing what these Muslims did. All im saying is its an expected reaction after America has spent decades and trillions of dollars murdering and destroying their societies. My issue is with Americans taking the risk to continuously provoke these morons and put their own people in danger. Youre provoking them enough already by raping and murdering them in the Middle East and pillaging their land. Is drawing stupid cartoons really worth the risk of giving these psychos an excuse to murder your own people at home under the excuse of "Freedom of Speech". These people producing the cartoons are as much to blame as the terrorists that theyre trying to provoke. A normal person wouldnt go out of their way to continously race/religious bait during a tense time. If they do, then theyve got just as much blood on their hands for any subsequent deaths.

That statement is the most unamerican thing i've heard, i hope you're all not like this. Afraid to display use of constitution because of consequence? :facepalm maybe its too late for America.

Some people are leaders, some are pansies like you... if they want to demonstrate their rights, so be it. Just because you're too big of a b*tch to stand up for what you believe in don't blame them for the illegal doings of others. They are not putting anyone at risk, anyone and everyone at that event knew the possibility of something like this. No one was forced to be there...

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't give a shit what the muslim extremists want, that's not why you shouldn't go out of your way to insult muslims. The reason is much simpler, it's not a nice thing to do.

Similarly you could also write racist things about other ethnicities if you wanted, or go around randomly insulting people in the street, but that would make you a dick.
True, but it wouldn't warrant shooting that person.

Battle wit (or lack of wit), with wit. If someone uses their freedom to attack you with words, you defend yourself with your own freedom to use words.

You do not shoot people or react violently. You can't blame an antagonist when you escalate a situation from say, a cartoon convention insult to full blown attempted murder. People who can't engage on a level playing field and react with violence are not functional members of the society America has tried to create.

[nathanjizzle]

There are no such thing as blasphemy and heresy laws in America. We can make fun of Mormons. We can make fun of Scientologists. We can make fun of Jesus. We can make fun of Moses. We can make fun of Mohammad. Deal with it.

thats whats wrong with people, they think the government dictates moral and ethical values. Is it right for me to openly make fun of mentally disabled people (but im displaying my use of the constitution!?)? yes because the goverment gave me free speech? this hate group from texas is antagonizing a religion and hiding behind the veil of freedom of speech as if they really have the right to do it. Right meaning "right" in morality and ethics. they are quite wrong in the eyes of higher judgment, and higher judgement supercedes some bullshit government laws.

[CavaliersFTW]

That statement is the most unamerican thing i've heard, i hope you're all not like this. Afraid to display use of constitution because of consequence? :facepalm maybe its too late for America
He's probably not American.

[nathanjizzle]

That statement is the most unamerican thing i've heard, i hope you're all not like this. Afraid to display abuse of constitution because of consequence? :facepalm maybe its too late for America

youre an idiot that failed to see this scenerio in a mindful perspective. I feel sorry for your lowly existence.

[CavaliersFTW]

thats whats wrong with people, they think the government dictates moral and ethical values. Is it right for me to openly make fun of mentally disabled people? yes because the goverment gave me free speech? this hate group from texas is antagonizing a religion and hiding behind the veil of freedom of speech as if they really have the right to do it. Right meaning "right" in morality and ethics. they are wrong.
They have a right to do that - even if they may be assholes. They also have a right to get called out for being assholes. It's a completely fair system.

You know what the group being targeted is legally allowed to do in response back? Come up with their own witty/insulting convention, or make a statement, or use their own words as a means to expose them for the assholes they were being. They could have exercised their SAME freedom to their own advantage.

Instead 2 radical individuals tried to shoot someone.

You fight wit with wit, not bullets.

[Nick Young]

Youre provoking them enough already by raping and murdering them in the Middle East and pillaging their land.
Don't blame America for something that Muslims in the Middle East and Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan have been doing to each other for a thousand years.:facepalm

[BigTicket]

True, but it wouldn't warrant shooting that person.

Battle wit (or lack of wit), with wit. If someone uses their freedom to attack you with words, you defend yourself with your own freedom to use words.

You do not shoot people or react violently. You can't blame an antagonist when you escalate a situation from say, a cartoon convention insult to full blown attempted murder. People who can't engage on a level playing field and react with violence are not functional members of the society America has tried to create.

Of course it doesn't warrant shooting the person, I never made any such statement.

I am glad the extremists in this case died before they could do much damage, but that doesn't mean I support the anti-muslim group they were targeting.

[Nick Young]

thats whats wrong with people, they think the government dictates moral and ethical values. Is it right for me to openly make fun of mentally disabled people (but im displaying my use of the constitution!?)? yes because the goverment gave me free speech? this hate group from texas is antagonizing a religion and hiding behind the veil of freedom of speech as if they really have the right to do it. Right meaning "right" in morality and ethics. they are quite wrong in the eyes of higher judgment, and higher judgement supercedes some bullshit government laws.
They deserve to be shot for their blasphemous actions, right breh?

[BigNBAfan]

youre an idiot that failed to see this scenerio in a mindful perspective. I feel sorry for your lowly existence.

Thanks trayvon, i'll keep your thoughts in mind.

When you want to argue with substance and leave personal vendetta out of it, come talk.

[nathanjizzle]

They have a right to do that - even if they may be assholes. They also have a right to get called out for being assholes. It's a completely fair system.

You know what the group being targeted is legally allowed to do in response back? Come up with their own witty/insulting convention, or make a statement, or use their own words as a means to expose them for the assholes they were being. They could have exercised their SAME freedom to their own advantage.

Instead 2 radical individuals tried to shoot someone.

You fight wit with wit, not bullets.

WTF is this nonsense? are you playing by the rules of government that has dictated for you? "what the law says what we can and cant do and whats okay and not okay" **** that nonsense man. This world has a dynamic, for every action is a reaction. if you go up to someone and talk shit to their face, you very well can get physically assaulted, and it would be fair wouldnt it? but but the governent says it shouldnt happen!!!. nah, god said it should, because he instilled fear and anger in us. I see that most of you are unenlightened simps, its okay though most people whom dont matter, are.

[BigNBAfan]

WTF is this nonsense? are you playing by the rules of government that has dictated for you? "what the law says what we can and cant do" **** that nonsense man. This world has a dynamic, for every action is a reaction. if you go up to someone and talk shit to their face, you very well can get physically abused, and it would be fair wouldnt it? but but the governent says it shouldnt happen!!!. nah, god said it should, because he instilled fear and anger in us.


its the opposite, called FREEDOM

[Nick Young]

This is so flawed. People from the Middle East, rightly or wrongly, give as much importance to "Islamic" culture as they do their individual ethnic/tribal/linguistic culture. Its a part of who they are, and what they've grown up believing. You can equate this with Americans giving as much importance to their warped belief in "freedom and democracy" as they do their own heritage. When you attack Islam, youre attacking their culture. You should no this since youre a Jew. Jewishness is accepted as both a religion and a "culture" because both have intermingled into one culture after 2000 years. The same can be said about Islam in the Middle East.

It mite not be "racist" to hate on Islam, but it is a form of bigotry and prejudice. Most people in America dont know fukc all about Islam, yet they hate it. They equate the Arabic language with Islam, they equate sand with Islam, they equate camels with Islam, they equate Aladdin with Islam, they equate everything about the Arabic/Middle East world with Islam. To 99% of biggots hating on Islam there is no difference between Arabic and Muslim culture. And the truth is theyre right. Like it or not thanks to histoy and recent tragice events the majority of inhabitants do consider Islam as an important part of their lives. Maybe the most important. So when you attack Islam, its like youre attacking apart of them. I dont support it, but I understand it.
Islam is not a race. It is a religious ideology followed by all races and groups of people from all over the world.

In America, no religion is free from criticism. Judaism gets criticized. Mormonism gets criticized. Catholicism gets criticized. Scientology gets criticized. Hinduism gets criticized. All religions can be mocked and criticized. No one religion is higher up than any other. There are no blasphemy laws in America. Deal with it.

[CavaliersFTW]

That statement is the most unamerican thing i've heard, i hope you're all not like this. Afraid to display use of constitution because of consequence? :facepalm maybe its too late for America.

Some people are leaders, some are pansies like you... if they want to demonstrate their rights, so be it. Just because you're too big of a b*tch to stand up for what you believe in don't blame them for the illegal doings of others. They are not putting anyone at risk, anyone and everyone at that event knew the possibility of something like this. No one was forced to be there...


This is so flawed. People from the Middle East, rightly or wrongly, give as much importance to "Islamic" culture as they do their individual ethnic/tribal/linguistic culture. Its a part of who they are, and what they've grown up believing. You can equate this with Americans giving as much importance to their warped belief in "freedom and democracy" as they do their own heritage. When you attack Islam, youre attacking their culture. You should no this since youre a Jew. Jewishness is accepted as both a religion and a "culture" because both have intermingled into one culture after 2000 years. The same can be said about Islam in the Middle East.

It mite not be "racist" to hate on Islam, but it is a form of bigotry and prejudice. Most people in America dont know fukc all about Islam, yet they hate it. They equate the Arabic language with Islam, they equate sand with Islam, they equate camels with Islam, they equate Aladdin with Islam, they equate everything about the Arabic/Middle East world with Islam. To 99% of biggots hating on Islam there is no difference between Arabic and Muslim culture. And the truth is theyre right. Like it or not thanks to histoy and recent tragice events the majority of inhabitants do consider Islam as an important part of their lives. Maybe the most important. So when you attack Islam, its like youre attacking apart of them. I dont support it, but I understand it.
This guy is from the UK.

"**** all" used in that context is almost exclusively a UK insult/phrase.

[BigNBAfan]

WTF is this nonsense? are you playing by the rules of government that has dictated for you? "what the law says what we can and cant do and whats okay and not okay" **** that nonsense man. This world has a dynamic, for every action is a reaction. if you go up to someone and talk shit to their face, you very well can get physically assaulted, and it would be fair wouldnt it? but but the governent says it shouldnt happen!!!. nah, god said it should, because he instilled fear and anger in us. I see that most of you are unenlightened simps, its okay though most people whom dont matter, are.


this dude starts off his paragraph telling us what is nonsense but then talks about what god told him.

[nathanjizzle]

stuff like this angers me. its like Americans supporting the klu klux clan because they practice freedom of speech. These groups have every right under goverment to say what they want, but they shouldnt be defended by the common americans.

[Velocirap31]

WTF is this nonsense? are you playing by the rules of government that has dictated for you? "what the law says what we can and cant do and whats okay and not okay" **** that nonsense man. This world has a dynamic, for every action is a reaction. if you go up to someone and talk shit to their face, you very well can get physically assaulted, and it would be fair wouldnt it? but but the governent says it shouldnt happen!!!. nah, god said it should, because he instilled fear and anger in us. I see that most of you are unenlightened simps, its okay though most people whom dont matter, are.

We're not talking about the mohammed artists getting beat up, this is about murder of everyone at the event, innocent or not. You're condoning this? A bit extreme, no?

[Nick Young]

stuff like this angers me. its like Americans supporting the klu klux clan because they practice freedom of speech. These groups have every right under goverment to say what they want, but they shouldnt be defended by the common americans.
You're right brah! They deserve to be shot up for drawing cartoons!

Drawing cartoons of a religious prophet=Ku Klux Klan now. GOAT LOGIC!

[BigNBAfan]

stuff like this angers me. its like Americans supporting the klu klux clan because they practice freedom of speech. These groups have every right under goverment to say what they want, but they shouldnt be defended by the common americans.

KKK is deemed a terrorist group because of ACTIONS, not ideology. Do you understand the difference? Ideology is not illegal, whereas action itself could be.

The KKK believes in cleansing of America, so what.... let them. But the second they actually do something about it to force their ideology it is illegal. The demonstrations are not. It is not illegal to be a racist. Is it that hard to understand?

[CavaliersFTW]

You're allowed to be an asshole in America, there's no law against it.

You are however, allowed to be criticized and called out as such.

You're not allowed to shoot someone or react violently at them for being an asshole.

We're not changing that system because some radical savages who cut peoples heads off get offended on the other side of the globe.

[CavaliersFTW]

KKK is deemed a terrorist group because of ACTIONS, not ideology. Do you understand the difference? Ideology is not illegal, whereas action itself could be.

The KKK believes in cleansing of America, so what.... let them. But the second they actually do something about it to force their ideology it is illegal. The demonstrations are not. It is not illegal to be a racist. Is it that hard to understand?
I legit don't think he understands :lol

[HitandRun Reggie]

I dont support it, but I understand it.


For someone who "hates Islam more than all of you fools put together on here", you are making a herculean effort to apologize for their extreme fundamentalists. What's your story? Smart enough to know Islam is garbage, but have Muslim family where loyalty tugs at you to defend their lifestyle?

[BigNBAfan]

He undertands. He just thinks youre a moron. And I agree. But thats the whole point of the argument. He thinks youre a moron because you support a bunch of other morons who spew hate and prejudice under the umbrella of democracy. Its what your government does internationally so its no surprise you do it domestically as well.


I dont live in the US and am just fine with the US of mutha ****in A :confusedshrug:

The support is for a RIGHT, not for the cause...

There are idiots out there that thing the world is flat still... its a RIGHT to believe that, but their cause? dumb....

[CavaliersFTW]

He undertands. He just thinks youre a moron. And I agree. But thats the whole point of the argument. He thinks youre a moron because you support a bunch of other morons who spew hate and prejudice under the umbrella of democracy. Its what your government does internationally so its no surprise you do it domestically as well.
No, I support their freedom to vocalize their ideas.

Not their ideas.

You don't understand either holy shit. Luckily you are a citizen of the UK not the US :oldlol:

[~primetime~]

http://cdn.salzburg.com/nachrichten/uploads/pics/2015-05/orginal/zwei-tote-in-texas-anschlag-auf-islamkritische-ausstellung-41-57957703.jpg


This is not France...

[CavaliersFTW]

http://cdn.salzburg.com/nachrichten/uploads/pics/2015-05/orginal/zwei-tote-in-texas-anschlag-auf-islamkritische-ausstellung-41-57957703.jpg


This is not France...
Mother****in Texas :applause:

[BigNBAfan]

Hey hey, give france credit, they've been taking out these terrorist muslims quite well. Fck court..

[~primetime~]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/150503231305-garland-texas-shooting-interiors-tablet-large.png


^^^ that's the "security" they rolled up on thinking they could pull a Charlie Hebdo part 2

[HitandRun Reggie]

Not going to repeat my story in full here, its very well known. But ill recap for you. My people were slaves to the Muslims for 600 years. We won our freedom. We participated on the same side as America in two World Wars and had 3 million people murdered fighting Nazis and their Muslim friends. Then in 1991-1999 those same Americans turned their backs on us and supported Islamic terrorists murder and butcher us again and break my country up into 6 pieces. You then helped them murder and ethnically cleanse us from our most sacred land so you could built a NATO base. Two years later your country was attacked by the exact same kind of Islamic Terrorists you helped destroy our country. I loved the irony. To me America and Islamic Terrorists are both as bad as eachother. But at the moment it is you guys who are the greater threat to world peace and stability.


You could have just said, Serb.....

[CavaliersFTW]

Not going to repeat my story in full here, its very well known. But ill recap for you. My people were slaves to the Muslims for 600 years. We won our freedom. We participated on the same side as America in two World Wars and had 3 million people murdered fighting Nazis and their Muslim friends. Then in 1991-1999 those same Americans turned their backs on us and supported Islamic terrorists murder and butcher us again and break my country up into 6 pieces. You then helped them murder and ethnically cleanse us from our most sacred land so you could built a NATO base. Two years later your country was attacked by the exact same kind of Islamic Terrorists you helped destroy our country. I loved the irony. To me America and Islamic Terrorists are both as bad as eachother. But at the moment it is you guys who are the greater threat to world peace and stability.
You were asked to describe yourself and all you mention is hundreds of years of war, slavery and vengeance. Got it.

This explains a lot. Pro tip, never put that shit on your resume bro or you'll never get a job :oldlol:

[BigNBAfan]

You were asked to describe yourself and all you mention is hundreds of years of war, slavery and vengeance. Got it.

This explains a lot. Pro tip, never put that shit on your resume bro or you'll never get a job :oldlol:

He should put "I believe that murder can be acceptable legally if they are trolling because the US hurt my family"

[~primetime~]

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[CavaliersFTW]

Assumed he was an average American with no knowledge of the rest of the world so i gave him information. Shoot me for trying to educate.
No dude, I been trying to say since I entered this thread this is not how a functional member of society reacts :lol

There's a million things you could have tried to educate someone about instead you picked the deep dark and heavy topics about war, slavery and vengeance. Why not just live a fun life and fill it with fun hobbies and passions now, instead of dwelling on that angry shit? You said you're from Australia? There's plenty to do there to live a good life that has nothing to do with war.

[~primetime~]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEII2bdUEAAEW9T.jpg:large

[BigNBAfan]

http://i1.wp.com/www.ambrosekane.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Mohammed-7.jpg

omg this justifies my murder now

[imdaman99]

I support freedom of speech, not freedom to offend. If these people want to make martyrs out of their security guards, more power to them. It's pretty obvious you can't reason with terrorists, so no I am not defending them. I realize they are scum, the world would be a better place without these irrational angry morons...but I don't understand why they feel an outrage over someone else taking a bullet for them. They survived. It's not as if they thought it was going to be a peaceful demonstration in front of the event.

It's OK to be a coward, letting someone else die for something you believe in. But just admit you are one. If you're willing to die for something you believe in, step up and be the martyr. Don't let innocent security guards die for your beliefs.

[CavaliersFTW]

I support freedom of speech, not freedom to offend. If these people want to make martyrs out of their security guards, more power to them. It's pretty obvious you can't reason with terrorists, so no I am not defending them. I realize they are scum, the world would be a better place without these irrational angry morons...but I don't understand why they feel an outrage over someone else taking a bullet for them. They survived. It's not as if they thought it was going to be a peaceful demonstration in front of the event.

It's OK to be a coward, letting someone else die for something you believe in. But just admit you are one. If you're willing to die for something you believe in, step up and be the martyr. Don't let innocent security guards die for your beliefs.
So radical terrorists are immune from criticism/jest? No. Not even North Korean leaders are immune to being teased/joked/discussed by our citizens and in pop culture. We shouldn't draw the line for anyone. We have security police and military to protect the rights of our citizens. The system works as is.

[BigNBAfan]

I support freedom of speech, not freedom to offend. If these people want to make martyrs out of their security guards, more power to them. It's pretty obvious you can't reason with terrorists, so no I am not defending them. I realize they are scum, the world would be a better place without these irrational angry morons...but I don't understand why they feel an outrage over someone else taking a bullet for them. They survived. It's not as if they thought it was going to be a peaceful demonstration in front of the event.

It's OK to be a coward, letting someone else die for something you believe in. But just admit you are one. If you're willing to die for something you believe in, step up and be the martyr. Don't let innocent security guards die for your beliefs.

Umm last i checked those officers were there by their own will, no one forced them.

[Nick Young]

I support freedom of speech, not freedom to offend. If these people want to make martyrs out of their security guards, more power to them. It's pretty obvious you can't reason with terrorists, so no I am not defending them. I realize they are scum, the world would be a better place without these irrational angry morons...but I don't understand why they feel an outrage over someone else taking a bullet for them. They survived. It's not as if they thought it was going to be a peaceful demonstration in front of the event.

It's OK to be a coward, letting someone else die for something you believe in. But just admit you are one. If you're willing to die for something you believe in, step up and be the martyr. Don't let innocent security guards die for your beliefs.
"I'm not gonna justify terrorism, but here's some justification for terrorism."

[HitandRun Reggie]

"I'm not gonna justify terrorism, but here's some justification for terrorism."

Yep, and that's why extremism thrives so well in Islam. It has so many supporters and people apathetic to it's extremism, if that's even a qualifying term any more.

If Christianity, Judaism, or Hinduism even had 1% of terrorism, discrimination towards women and persecution of homosexuals, that's being committed in the name of Islam, the world would be falling over themselves to crush them.

But because the majority of the Islamic world is uneducated, poor, and just plain dumb, people feel almost sorry for them. Especially since we are accustomed, to what's generally accepted as bad behavior in modern society, being perpetuated in Islamic society since the dawn of the religion.

[imdaman99]

Umm last i checked those officers were there by their own will, no one forced them.
I'm sure all security guards sign up to die.

[BigNBAfan]

I'm sure all security guards sign up to die.

Why do you manipulate words like that?

Those "security guards" were majority ex and current cops. They know exactly what they've risked going to these events and serving law enforcement. They didn't sign up to die, but they signed up knowing that their life is what they've sacrificed.

[Nick Young]

I'm sure all security guards sign up to die.
Why are you constantly justifying terrorism and violence?:confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

Are these cops or military or just dudes?

I'm not comfortable with cops being able to strap up like this let alone just dudes

Actually I'm a lot more comfortable with just dudes strapped like that than cops, but not cool with either. And military only on bases or if there's some sort of Godzilla type monster attack
Another instance of bad guys with ILLEGAL guns being stopped by good guys with LEGAL guns.

[BlakFrankWhite]

People saying "just send the muslims back".....or "isolate the Arabs" y'all have no idea about the economy if Saudi or OPEC blocks its oil exports to europe.....the economies would collapse...

Y'all need them just as much as they need you

[Nick Young]

People saying "just send the muslims back".....or "isolate the Arabs" y'all have no idea about the economy if Saudi or OPEC blocks its oil exports to europe.....the economies would collapse...

Y'all need them just as much as they need you
I don't think anyone has a problem with Arabs and hopefully must people don't have a problem with muslims.

What I have a problem with is muslim terrorists who do ridiculous shit like eat human hearts, and kill cartoonists for making drawings that hurt their feelings.

[imdaman99]

Why are you constantly justifying terrorism and violence?:confusedshrug:
Why are you constantly justifying offending every religion? I'll tell you this, I am supposed to get offended by these drawings, but everyone reacts to things in their own ways. I will never do something violent to act against this because I know these bigots in Texas are baiting. They had no intentions of offending anyone other than Muslims with those drawings, so you can quit your holier than thou attitude.

Nobody is justifying terrorism. There is no black and white on this. I am supporting dying for a cause. Because that is what this is right? You die for a cause, no wait you hire someone to die for your cause.

#NotAllTexansAreCowards

[NumberSix]

People saying "just send the muslims back".....or "isolate the Arabs" y'all have no idea about the economy if Saudi or OPEC blocks its oil exports to europe.....the economies would collapse...

Y'all need them just as much as they need you
Lol @ OPEC countries blocking oil exports to Europe. :roll:

Where are these OPEC countries going to get cars, planes..... Everything from? Even those things the Saudis wear on there heads are made in Britain.


Second..... Who's saying "send them all back"? What makes you think westerners would do that?

[BigNBAfan]

Lol @ OPEC countries blocking oil exports to Europe. :roll:

Where are these OPEC countries going to get cars, planes..... Everything from? Even those things the Saudis wear on there heads are made in Britain.


Second..... Who's saying "send them all back"? What makes you think westerners would do that?

Besides didnt US hit record oil production?

[BigNBAfan]

First these NY liberals argue they need more security now they say they shouldnt have any.... cant have it both ways

[BlakFrankWhite]

Lol @ OPEC countries blocking oil exports to Europe. :roll:

Where are these OPEC countries going to get cars, planes..... Everything from? Even those things the Saudis wear on there heads are made in Britain.


Second..... Who's saying "send them all back"? What makes you think westerners would do that?


Saudi make 30 billion a year from the hajj industry.

Anyway,there are the south east aian countries,india,china all buy oil from the middle east/opec.....demand for oil never ends

[DonDadda59]

Why are you constantly justifying offending every religion? I'll tell you this, I am supposed to get offended by these drawings, but everyone reacts to things in their own ways. I will never do something violent to act against this because I know these bigots in Texas are baiting. They had no intentions of offending anyone other than Muslims with those drawings, so you can quit your holier than thou attitude.

Nobody is justifying terrorism. There is no black and white on this. I am supporting dying for a cause. Because that is what this is right? You die for a cause, no wait you hire someone to die for your cause.

#NotAllTexansAreCowards

Simple question, do you condone or condemn a violent response to cartoons?

[~primetime~]

Why are you constantly justifying offending every religion? I'll tell you this, I am supposed to get offended by these drawings, but everyone reacts to things in their own ways. I will never do something violent to act against this because I know these bigots in Texas are baiting. They had no intentions of offending anyone other than Muslims with those drawings, so you can quit your holier than thou attitude.

Nobody is justifying terrorism. There is no black and white on this. I am supporting dying for a cause. Because that is what this is right? You die for a cause, no wait you hire someone to die for your cause.

#NotAllTexansAreCowards
So Texans are cowards for hiring security/police?

that's genius

[BigNBAfan]

Saudi make 30 billion a year from the hajj industry.

Anyway,there are the south east aian countries,india,china all buy oil from the middle east/opec.....demand for oil never ends

demand doesnt but where it comes from does. what is this post even about?

[BlakFrankWhite]

Just see the rise of the ultra rightists in europe Le pen,Farage....who're saying to deport muslims..

[imdaman99]

Simple question, do you condone or condemn a violent response to cartoons?
I would prefer civil non-violent protests to the cartoons. No one deserves to die over that, why do people somehow think I am pro-irrational retarded terrorists? I am not defending them, I simply said that you CANNOT REASON WITH THESE IGNORANT FKS. Yet people want to continue provoking them and let their security guards die over it. I know it's not the same thing, but you can't yell BOMB on an airplane.

[NumberSix]

Saudi make 30 billion a year from the hajj industry.

Anyway,there are the south east aian countries,india,china all buy oil from the middle east/opec.....demand for oil never ends
Saudi Arabia would give all the oil away for free before they would let go of the protection that America gives them.

[Patrick Chewing]

First these NY liberals argue they need more security now they say they shouldnt have any.... cant have it both ways


And so many people crying out to "disarm the police". :oldlol:


LOL what a joke. All that ghetto trash running amok in Baltimore and the NYC need to be put out of their misery.

[BlakFrankWhite]

demand doesnt but where it comes from does. what is this post even about?

Sorry bruh am a bit drunk and its only 2.30 pm..lol

[NumberSix]

Just see the rise of the ultra rightists in europe Le pen,Farage....who're saying to deport muslims..
Well, Farage never said to deport a single person.

Le Pen, however is almost certainly going to be elected in 2017. I doubt she will actually deport anybody.

[Derka]

Gotta pick your fights better next time, chumps. Texas ain't the place to go jihadin'

[Nick Young]

Why are you constantly justifying offending every religion? I'll tell you this, I am supposed to get offended by these drawings, but everyone reacts to things in their own ways. I will never do something violent to act against this because I know these bigots in Texas are baiting. They had no intentions of offending anyone other than Muslims with those drawings, so you can quit your holier than thou attitude.

Nobody is justifying terrorism. There is no black and white on this. I am supporting dying for a cause. Because that is what this is right? You die for a cause, no wait you hire someone to die for your cause.

#NotAllTexansAreCowards
US has no blasphemy laws. All religions are free to be criticized and questioned. Criticizing and questioning a religious ideology NEVER deserves a violent response. Deal with it. If you want to live in a country with blasphemy laws, move to Saudi Arabia or Bhutan.

[DonDadda59]

I would prefer civil non-violent protests to the cartoons. No one deserves to die over that, why do people somehow think I am pro-irrational retarded terrorists? I am not defending them, I simply said that you CANNOT REASON WITH THESE IGNORANT FKS. Yet people want to continue provoking them and let their security guards die over it. I know it's not the same thing, but you can't yell BOMB on an airplane.

You kind of skirted around the issue.

Do you condone or condemn the violent response to cartoons? You said you 'prefer' non-violent protests but... kind of lukewarm on the AK-47 response. :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

I would prefer civil non-violent protests to the cartoons. No one deserves to die over that, why do people somehow think I am pro-irrational retarded terrorists? I am not defending them, I simply said that you CANNOT REASON WITH THESE IGNORANT FKS. Yet people want to continue provoking them and let their security guards die over it. I know it's not the same thing, but you can't yell BOMB on an airplane.
So you promote the censorship of art?:confusedshrug:

[BlakFrankWhite]

Imdaman99

Nsa Is Tracking You....be Careful Of What You Say,brodie

[imdaman99]

Imdaman99

Nsa Is Tracking You....be Careful Of What You Say,brodie
:lol I am Muslim, I know I'm being tracked even though I have grown up here and been anti-terrorism all my life :cheers:

Comes with the territory I guess, I love living here and I would never jeopardize my well-being here.

[NumberSix]

:lol I am Muslim, I know I'm being tracked even though I have grown up here and been anti-terrorism all my life :cheers:

Comes with the territory I guess, I love living here and I would never jeopardize my well-being here.
Legit question. You're a Muslim and I'm asking because I don't know.

There's constantly cartoons that are insulting towards Jesus. Why don't Muslims ever get outraged about them? Isn't Jesus just as important to Muslims as Mohammed?

[imdaman99]

Reasonable people like yourself don't get offended over things like this

And people draw shit like this not to offend people they draw it because they fvking can and they should be allowed to draw anything they want and fvk people who say they shouldn't and want to harm them for doing so that only makes them want to draw it more. Thinking it's about trying to offend people is silly.

Also saying you're "supposed to be offended" by that is ridiculous. Why should a religion tell you how to feel about something. How you feel about something is in your own head.
I am supposed to be offended by it, and I am a little. I can't change my thinking on that. But I know in my heart of hearts, it's about big picture. They can draw it and they will. I am not trying to outlaw that. You don't think religious people (no matter what faith) get offended over people mocking something from their faith? They do, but like I said everyone reacts differently. I can't help that there are savages with the stone age thinking of non tolerance and that DEATH TO ALL THOSE WHO OFFEND, is everywhere now because of brain washing. I went to school to educate myself, and I fast for 30 days a year. I am taught self control. I show self control all year long. But these terrorists simply cannot. I can't control them. There are too many.

I don't find cartoons offending any race or faith to be funny though. It is in my rights to be offended by anything I want. It is not within my rights to do anything violent about it :cheers:

[imdaman99]

Legit question. You're a Muslim and I'm asking because I don't know.

There's constantly cartoons that are insulting towards Jesus. Why don't Muslims ever get outraged about them? Isn't Jesus just as important to Muslims as Mohammed?
Lol np. Jesus is a prophet in Islam and he is very important in our religion but he is not THE most. The uneducated folk overseas have brainwashed people enough to only react to offensive drawings post-Mohammed era.

[~primetime~]

which of the cartoons offended you the most imdaman?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

NPR released a piece on the group behind the cartoons (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/05/04/404158281/5-things-to-know-about-the-organizers-of-mohammed-cartoon-contest?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150504) today.

[NumberSix]

I just don't understand "supposed" to be offended

Ok, we don't need to pick on imdaman. He has the right to have any opinion he has. People have the right to insult people's beliefs, but that doesn't mean people don't have the right to find it offensive.

That's the beauty of freedom. Nobody decides for us. We all decide for ourselves.

[BigNBAfan]

No one has to justify anything that is clearly within the law. If someone wants to put the swastica on their forehead, go for it. Its not illegal... freedom of expression, well within the law and does not need to be justified. If they want it, go for it. Same goes for art or anything else.

[Nanners]

pam gellar is a real life troll, and trolls should be ignored.

[imdaman99]

which of the cartoons offended you the most imdaman?
Any drawings with Mohammed are offensive to me. There are not supposed to be any drawings of him with someone's own interpretation of him. He was born in a weak era, what can I say? :confusedshrug: Camera phones were not invented yet.

[DonDadda59]

I just don't understand "supposed" to be offended

People feel/think the way someone else tells them they're supposed to feel/think.

A rational person, even if they were genuinely offended by a cartoon, would not think the proper response would be grabbing an assault rifle and shooting indiscriminately at a crowd of people.

[Derka]

Legit question. You're a Muslim and I'm asking because I don't know.

There's constantly cartoons that are insulting towards Jesus. Why don't Muslims ever get outraged about them? Isn't Jesus just as important to Muslims as Mohammed?

Jesus is considered a lesser prophet in Islam. They acknowledge he was born of a virgin and that he worked miracles under God's influence but they don't acknowledge him as the Son of God, nor do they acknowledge the Crucifixion and Resurrection as legitimate.

There's no one more important to Islam than Muhammad, who is God's own voice to them.

[BigNBAfan]

There's people that do worse shit, above making fun of some fictional character. Like that American group that protests American soldier funerals... but guess what, they're within their right to do so regardless of how much it angers people. It's freedom.

[NumberSix]

Jesus is considered a lesser prophet in Islam. They acknowledge he was born of a virgin and that he worked miracles under God's influence but they don't acknowledge him as the Son of God, nor do they acknowledge the Crucifixion and Resurrection as legitimate.

There's no one more important to Islam than Muhammad, who is God's own voice to them.
I'm not sure that's true. I think Muslims believe that on "judgement day", it's Jesus who will come back, not Mohammed. I could be wrong though.

[DonDadda59]

Any drawings with Mohammed are offensive to me. There are not supposed to be any drawings of him with someone's own interpretation of him. He was born in a weak era, what can I say? :confusedshrug: Camera phones were not invented yet.

Probably was ugly as f*ck. Bet he had a wicked overbite.

But seriously... what's the actual reason pictures of him can't be created? I've never actually heard anyone explain it. Like I know why Historically certain practices were banned by religious officials. A lot of time it was a practical reason, ie banning the consumption of pork because of the health risks that posed to ancient peoples. But the drawing... what logical possible reason or otherwise is there for the ban? :confusedshrug:

[BigNBAfan]

I dont care what religion people are as long as they use deodorant... cmon muslims, you are affecting my quality of life with this stench.

[NumberSix]

Probably was ugly as f*ck. Bet he had a wicked overbite.

But seriously... what's the actual reason pictures of him can't be created? I've never actually heard anyone explain it. Like I know why Historically certain practices were banned by religious officials. A lot of time it was a practical reason, ie banning the consumption of pork because of the health risks that posed to ancient peoples. But the drawing... what logical possible reason or otherwise is there for the ban? :confusedshrug:
I think the reason is to not turn him into idolatry.

[DonDadda59]

Jesus is considered a lesser prophet in Islam. They acknowledge he was born of a virgin and that he worked miracles under God's influence but they don't acknowledge him as the Son of God, nor do they acknowledge the Crucifixion and Resurrection as legitimate.

There's no one more important to Islam than Muhammad, who is God's own voice to them.

Even if he's not regarded as highly as Muhammad, Jesus is still an extremely important figure in Islam, yes? He's a prophet.

So why is drawing one prophet akin to a death sentence but Muslims don't bat an eye when Jesus appears on the Simpsons, South Park, etc?

[Nick Young]

:lol I am Muslim, I know I'm being tracked even though I have grown up here and been anti-terrorism all my life :cheers:

Comes with the territory I guess, I love living here and I would never jeopardize my well-being here.
You sure constantly defend and justify terrorism alot for someone who claims to be "anti-terrorism"

[HitandRun Reggie]

I am supporting dying for a cause. Because that is what this is right? You die for a cause, no wait you hire someone to die for your cause.

#NotAllTexansAreCowards


:oldlol:

This guy is actually sympathizing with the terrorists and all butthurt that some Texans killed his Muslim brothers, even though they were in the process of trying to kill innocent people.

I think it's a very good possibility that you are in the beginning stages of becoming radicalized, hell you may already have reached that point. The NSA should be curious about you. Time to check yourself bro....

[Derka]

I'm not sure that's true. I think Muslims believe that on "judgement day", it's Jesus who will come back, not Mohammed. I could be wrong though.

Lesser was probably the wrong word to use, but it was the first one that came to mind in the context. Muhammad is considered, and imdaman is welcome to correct any of this if I'm wrong, the FINAL prophet of God. His word is still considered THE word they go by.

The whole judgment day thing gets weird. They don't believe he's dead; I think they believe he was just taken body and all into heaven and that yeah, he'll be the one who comes back on judgment day. But at some point, I'm pretty sure they think he will die for real after that.

[Nick Young]

It is not even all muslims that are restricted from drawing Mohammad. It happens all the time in Iran and pictures of Mohammad are all over the place in that country. Here's one now.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/760_-_Jeune_arabe.jpg/640px-760_-_Jeune_arabe.jpg

Why aren't these terrorist nutcases bombing Tehran?:confusedshrug:

[~primetime~]

Any drawings with Mohammed are offensive to me. There are not supposed to be any drawings of him with someone's own interpretation of him. He was born in a weak era, what can I say? :confusedshrug: Camera phones were not invented yet.
it's "Muhammad"

you're personally offended at ANY drawing of him but can't spell his name?

[BigNBAfan]

NSA keywords so they keep an eye out here




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[Derka]

Even if he's not regarded as highly as Muhammad, Jesus is still an extremely important figure in Islam, yes? He's a prophet.

So why is drawing one prophet akin to a death sentence but Muslims don't bat an eye when Jesus appears on the Simpsons, South Park, etc?

Couldn't tell you on that one. As with the other monotheistic religions, parts of the group aren't always playing by the same playbook.

[Nick Young]

Any drawings with Mohammed are offensive to me. There are not supposed to be any drawings of him with someone's own interpretation of him. He was born in a weak era, what can I say? :confusedshrug: Camera phones were not invented yet.
Do Shi'ite Muslims who draw Mohammed offend you too? Why don't terrorists kill these artists?:confusedshrug:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4159/384/1600/Muhammed_Persian_Icon.jpg
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/images_muslimbrotherhood/muslimbrother10_01.jpg
http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embedded_full/public/2015/01/09/0109islamart03.jpg
http://tarekfatah.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/0123_001.jpg

The Koran doesn't even forbid drawing Mohammad.

[DonDadda59]

You're supposed to like eating booty

My religion strictly forbids it. I call for Jihad against all salad tossers. Infidels.

[Nick Young]

:oldlol:

This guy is actually sympathizing with the terrorists and all butthurt that some Texans killed his Muslim brothers, even though they were in the process of trying to kill innocent people.

I think it's a very good possibility that you are in the beginning stages of becoming radicalized, hell you may already have reached that point. The NSA should be curious about you. Time to check yourself bro....
Imdaman has been talking about this shit for years on here, constantly justifying terrorism. He has definitely gotten worse in recent times.

[BigNBAfan]

i wonder if he smiled on 911

[bdreason]

People saying "just send the muslims back".....or "isolate the Arabs" y'all have no idea about the economy if Saudi or OPEC blocks its oil exports to europe.....the economies would collapse...

Y'all need them just as much as they need you


And Saudi Arabia would collapse as well. The difference is they would never recover, because their country is funded by oil production. OPEC needs the World more than the World needs OPEC. The World operated just fine before Saudi oil was founded in the 30's.

[imdaman99]

it's "Muhammad"

you're personally offended at ANY drawing of him but can't spell his name?
:lol sheesh, so salty. I clearly made an attempt at a joke and you didn't even smirk. Lighten up dude. I said not all texans are cowards :cheers:

[imdaman99]

Lesser was probably the wrong word to use, but it was the first one that came to mind in the context. Muhammad is considered, and imdaman is welcome to correct any of this if I'm wrong, the FINAL prophet of God. His word is still considered THE word they go by.

The whole judgment day thing gets weird. They don't believe he's dead; I think they believe he was just taken body and all into heaven and that yeah, he'll be the one who comes back on judgment day. But at some point, I'm pretty sure they think he will die for real after that.
This is accurate on all accounts, at least according to my beliefs. I appreciate an educated person, it's so refreshing :cheers:

[Nick Young]

Do these drawings of Mohammad offend you? Should they be censored?:confusedshrug:

Do Shi'ite Muslims who draw Mohammed offend you too? Why don't terrorists kill these artists?:confusedshrug:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4159/384/1600/Muhammed_Persian_Icon.jpg
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/images_muslimbrotherhood/muslimbrother10_01.jpg
http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embedded_full/public/2015/01/09/0109islamart03.jpg
http://tarekfatah.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/0123_001.jpg

The Koran doesn't even forbid drawing Mohammad.

[imdaman99]

:oldlol:

This guy is actually sympathizing with the terrorists and all butthurt that some Texans killed his Muslim brothers, even though they were in the process of trying to kill innocent people.

I think it's a very good possibility that you are in the beginning stages of becoming radicalized, hell you may already have reached that point. The NSA should be curious about you. Time to check yourself bro....
Why don't you get a personality instead of making terrible threads? Islam unleashes it's terror? Absolutely not, a few retards that think they are jihadists unleashed their 'terror'. Islam does not promote something like this. You have it all wrong.

[Derka]

I'm offended by that first drawing because that looks like if Muhammad fronted Poison in the 80s. Eyeliner overdose.

[KingBeasley08]

Of course there's people defending the terrorists here. Where's Left4Dead at? You know he was pissed the guys failed

Besides, I'm pretty sure people were allowed to draw Mohammed until recent Wahabbi shit.

[Nick Young]

Why don't you get a personality instead of making terrible threads? Islam unleashes it's terror? Absolutely not, a few retards that think they are jihadists unleashed their 'terror'. Islam does not promote something like this. You have it all wrong.
It is not "a few."

How many people do you think are in IS? Boko Haram? :confusedshrug:

[imdaman99]

Do these drawings of Mohammad offend you? Should they be censored?:confusedshrug:
Yes. I have texted every one of those artists who has drawn those and told them they should stop, or I will make threads about about them on Insidehoops making fun of them :cheers:

[HitandRun Reggie]

Why don't you get a personality instead of making terrible threads? Islam unleashes it's terror? Absolutely not, a few retards that think they are jihadists unleashed their 'terror'. Islam does not promote something like this. You have it all wrong.

Yeah ok.......just don't bomb my house please

[Patrick Chewing]

Why don't you get a personality instead of making terrible threads? Islam unleashes it's terror? Absolutely not, a few retards that think they are jihadists unleashed their 'terror'. Islam does not promote something like this. You have it all wrong.


Only 19 terrorists were responsible for carrying out 9/11 where 3000 people died. So your argument that only a "few" are doing this and we shouldn't worry about it is all smoke and mirrors. All it takes is a few to kill thousands.

[CavaliersFTW]

Yeah ok.......just don't bomb my house please
To be fair he's right your headline is stupid and not truthful. What happened in Texas is no more an "Islam" attack than KKK's historic acts of violence were "Christian" attacks.

Extremists and radical groups and individuals are the problem. Not Muslims.

[Nick Young]

Why don't you get a personality instead of making terrible threads? Islam unleashes it's terror? Absolutely not, a few retards that think they are jihadists unleashed their 'terror'. Islam does not promote something like this. You have it all wrong.
Really? These are the words of your boy Mohammad, taken from the holy book of Islam the Koran.

"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun "

"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them""I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

"Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."

“Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.” (Koran 9:5)

Mohammad isn't promoting and encouraging terrorism here?
:confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

"And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers,"(Quran 2:191)

"Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak,"(Quran 4:76)

"When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. 13That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment," (Quran 8:12).

"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful," (Quran 9:5)

"Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure,"
Wow, it's almost like these words from Mohammad himself are encouraging violence and terrorism in his name!

[CavaliersFTW]

Wow, it's almost like these words from Mohammad himself are encouraging violence and terrorism in his name!
The bible has a ton of ****ed up violent messages in it too. Does that mean Christians aren't peaceful or capable of being peaceful? Should they all be lumped together with Christian groups like the KKK?

I don't think there are any/many religions that don't have violent militant text written somewhere in their scripture. That doesn't mean a majority of people in the world that choose to follow any one of the options of religion they've got can't turn a blind eye to that and be peaceful. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is a Muslim. He's a good person as far as I can see.

[qrich]

Damn, dude lived off 19th Ave & T-Bird, only about 3 miles from where I lived. Wonder if I ever saw him anywhere.


Really? These are the words of your boy Mohammad, taken from the holy book of Islam the Koran.

Mohammad isn't promoting and encouraging terrorism here?
:confusedshrug:

Thoughts on the Bible stating that a rape victim must marry her rapist?

[HitandRun Reggie]

To be fair he's right your headline is stupid and not truthful. What happened in Texas is no more an "Islam" attack than KKK's historic acts of violence were "Christian" attacks.

Extremists and radical groups and individuals are the problem. Not Muslims.

And how many KKK apologists have you found on here? The KKK was shut down and shamed by other Christians. They are a joke, and hold no sway with American Christians or power in politics. There was former KKK member David Duke in the 80s, but the Republican congress refused to work with him and he was out in 2 years. Robert Byrd, was a clan leader, and put into power as the Senate Majority leader for the Democrats, but he certainly didn't evoke any hate in the name of Christianity for the last 40 years at least, and Obama considered him a friend apparently.

The thing is, the most powerful voices in Islam invoke violence, discrimination, and terrorism in the name of their religion. They climb to power because Muslims, are apathetic to the hate at the very least, and outright support it at the worst. Islam's most powerful voices are absolutely an indication of a problem in their religion. The KKK? C'mon, that straw man argument is a joke.

Post a KKK induced tragedy on this forum. How many people here do you honestly think will say, "Uhhh I don't agree with what they did, but I UNDERSTAND why they did it". The KKK has no power with Christians or anyone else, because we will not tolerate it. The same cannot be said about Islam and terrorism.

[MavsSuperFan]

Nice happy ending to this event.

Muslims need to realize that their religion only prevents them from depicting their prophet.

Everyone else is allowed to.

[LJJ]

Thoughts on the Bible stating that a rape victim must marry her rapist?

Fundamental difference is that none of this is part of the doctrine if any significant Christian group.

You go to any Islamic cleric and ask if it's wrong to marry and rape a 9 year old girl and they will tell you it depends on the situation.

Nobody really cares what is in some book dictated by an illiterate savage. And nobody should care. Only care about what is taught and what is part of religious doctrine today.

[KevinNYC]

Just because someone enjoys free-speech protection doesn't make the free-speech heroes.


A group like Westboro Baptist Church gets to engage in their protests because of the first Ammendment, however if it was up to them they would gladly prohibit the speech of others.

You know how people are always talking about the moderate Muslims should step up.....? Well when one tried to open a community center in New York based on the model of the Jewish 92nd Street Y, a place to bring people together for lectures and discussions among other things. Pam Geller lied and screamed and smeared him. He was going to name it after a tolerant time in Islamic history and she accused his of celebrating terrorism. I worked down the street the building the guy bought, a ****ing Burlington coat factory, it was not part of ground zero, but she knew people not in NY wouldn't know that. She was and is 100% dishonest about that episode.

So do I wish her killed? No. Is she the same as the shooters? No.

Is she some sort of free speech heroine or champion of the first amendment? **** no.

[CavaliersFTW]

Fundamental difference is that none of this is part of the doctrine if any significant Christian group.

You go to any Islamic cleric and ask if it's wrong to marry and rape a 9 year old girl and they will tell you it depends on the situation.

Nobody really cares what is in some book dictated by an illiterate savage. And nobody should care. Only care about what is taught today.
It's in the bible though.

"Muslims" don't all kill people in the name of their prophet. In fact, the overwhelming majority don't.

There's a bunch of hypocrites in this thread if they think otherwise. As a non-religious person, I can see there's just as much retarded violent shit in the Christian faith and Bible as there is in the Muslim faith and the Quran. You're in denial if you think otherwise, they're both equally archaic and militant. And both "faiths" have been claimed by equally disgusting types of extremists so calling all these acts of terrorism "Muslim" acts of terrorism is stupid.

[MavsSuperFan]

Just because someone enjoys free-speech protection doesn't make the free-speech heroes.


A group like Westboro Baptist Church gets to engage in their protests because of the first Ammendment, however if it was up to them they would gladly prohibit the speech of others.

You know how people are always talking about the moderate Muslims should step up.....? Well when one tried to open a community center in New York based on the model of the Jewish 92nd Street Y, a place to bring people together for lectures and discussions among other things. Pam Geller lied and screamed and smeared him. He was going to name it after a tolerant time in Islamic history and she accused his of celebrating terrorism. I worked down the street the building the guy bought, a ****ing Burlington coat factory, it was not part of ground zero, but she knew people not in NY wouldn't know that. She was and is 100% dishonest about that episode.

So do I wish her killed? No. Is she the same as the shooters? No.

Is she some sort of free speech heroine or champion of the first amendment? **** no.

Its amazing how so many posters refuse to criticize the people that are trying to kill others for drawing offensive cartoons.

[CavaliersFTW]

And how many KKK apologists have you found on here? The KKK was shut down and shamed by other Christians. They are a joke, and hold no sway with American Christians or power in politics. There was former KKK member David Duke in the 80s, but the Republican congress refused to work with him and he was out in 2 years. Robert Byrd, was a clan leader, and put into power as the Senate Majority leader for the Democrats, but he certainly didn't evoke any hate in the name of Christianity for the last 40 years at least, and Obama considered him a friend apparently.

The thing is, the most powerful voices in Islam invoke violence, discrimination, and terrorism in the name of their religion. They climb to power because Muslims, are apathetic to the hate at the very least, and outright support it at the worst. Islam's most powerful voices are absolutely an indication of a problem in their religion. The KKK? C'mon, that straw man argument is a joke.

Post a KKK induced tragedy on this forum. How many people here do you honestly think will say, "Uhhh I don't agree with what they did, but I UNDERSTAND why they did it". The KKK has no power with Christians or anyone else, because we will not tolerate it. The same cannot be said about Islam and terrorism.
Uh, no "Christians" did not shut down the KKK the U.S. Federal government is what did all the work to break it up and reduce it's size, and the crimes they committed. And yes many Christians did not agree with the KKK, but the same thing is going on with with Muslims.

Seriously, some of you are in total denial if you don't see the virtually perfect parallel between Muslims, and Muslim extremists, and Christians, and Christian extremists.

Extremists are the problem. The religions these extreme groups claim to be a part of are completely irrelevant. These aren't any more Muslim acts of terrorism than KKK members lynching a black person was a "Christian" act of terrorism.

[LJJ]

It's in the bible though.

"Muslims" don't all kill people in the name of their prophet. In fact, the overwhelming majority don't.

There's a bunch of hypocrites in this thread if they think otherwise. As a non-religious person, I can see there's just as much retarded violent shit in the Christian faith and Bible as there is in the Muslim faith and the Quran. You're in denial if you think otherwise, they're both equally archaic and militant. And both "faiths" have produce equally disgusting types of extremists so calling all these acts of terrorism "Muslim" acts of terrorism is stupid.

The books are both equally violent and archaic. The current religious doctrines are very different. You are incredibly naive if you think every religion is the same.

[CavaliersFTW]

The books are both equally violent and archaic. The current religious doctrines are very different. You are incredibly naive if you think every religion is the same.
I don't think every religion is the same don't put words in my mouth. Every religion is actually as individual as the people themselves trying to "practice" them. Because religion is just a social construct, it's all individuals and every individual on this planet does not think exactly like another.

[LJJ]

I don't think every religion is the same don't put words in my mouth.

Well, the comparison you make between the Bible and the Quran, when these books are interpreted by their religions in completely different ways, shows that your grasp of this subject is very weak and shallow. The comparison is utterly irrelevant.

[CavaliersFTW]

Well, the comparison you make between the Bible and the Quran, when these books are interpreted by their religions in completely different ways, shows that your grasp of this subject is very weak and shallow. The comparison is utterly irrelevant.
No, re-read my post. "Very weak and shallow" come on. I must have upset you I bet you are Christian. A lot of horrible people have done horrible things in the name of Christ. Even in recent times. Should I make threads about them and call them Christian acts of terrorism?

[CavaliersFTW]

It's simple odds.

You get a billion people attempting to practice a "faith" surrounding some book, with questionable/vague/confusing/sometimes millitant sounding content in it (Christian Bible, or Islamic Quran) that means you've got a billion INDIVIDUALS all with their own opinions and agendas.

They will gravitate towards other like-minded individuals and thus you get these different groups, like in Christian faith Catholics etc, and though most will be good (if we are at all to have faith in humanity) there will be some inevitably bad/horrible groups that stem from ANY of these globally widespread books/faiths. It's simple odds based on the prolific numbers.

It's not the books/faiths fault. It's the individuals.

Thus - making threads like "Islam unleashes it's terror against ___" is retarded. No less retarded than "Christians unleash their terror against black people" and posting some lynching event.

It's the Same. Damn. Thing.

[LJJ]

No, re-read my post. "Very weak and shallow" come on. I must have upset you I bet you are Christian. A lot of horrible people have done horrible things in the name of Christ. Even in recent times. Should I make threads about them and call them Christian acts of terrorism?

Please! That would be great. We can compare the numbers directly and see which is more of a major global issue.

[KevinNYC]

Its amazing how so many posters refuse to criticize the people that are trying to kill others for drawing offensive cartoons.

yeah.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Uh, no "Christians" did not shut down the KKK the U.S. Federal government is what did all the work to break it up and reduce it's size, and the crimes they committed. And yes many Christians did not agree with the KKK, but the same thing is going on with with Muslims.

.

Exactly. And who put the federal government in power? Any guesses to the religious beliefs of the overwhelming majority of the voter base in the 60s? You think they were atheist or Muslim? Which also dovetails perfectly with my follow up point that the most powerful voices in Islam support terrorism because that's what their people want. No people behind you, no power.

[jongib369]

No, re-read my post. "Very weak and shallow" come on. I must have upset you I bet you are Christian. A lot of horrible people have done horrible things in the name of Christ. Even in recent times. Should I make threads about them and call them Christian acts of terrorism?
This might be a bad example, but I think of it like the Manson murders. Mind you I don't know much about it, and the ones who actually did the killings are the ones to blame....But as you already know so is Manson. He had friends who never listened, but his craziness also was able to influence some. We shouldn't attack people who are Muslim or Christian, most are definitely good people with their heart/morals in the right place nit bugging people of different beliefs...But, something needs to change, and IMO the religions themselves should be held accountable in someway. A lot of whats in these books just don't fly today, and religious leaders should be pushed to change the text within them, just like whats in the bible is a mash of a bunch of selectively chosen stories with some left out. I'm sure it's been done, I'm sure leaders lIke the pope have spoken out. But I do happen to to think it's important when these types of people lash out for people within the Faith to speak up. Speak to their chidlren, tell them that these passages are incorrect etc. This is a really complicated issue, that probably won't be solved for hundreds of years when there are few believers. But even then, assholes will find some reason to be jackasses. So I really don't know.

[jongib369]

It's simple odds.

You get a billion people attempting to practice a "faith" surrounding some book, with questionable/vague/confusing/sometimes millitant sounding content in it (Christian Bible, or Islamic Quran) that means you've got a billion INDIVIDUALS all with their own opinions and agendas.

They will gravitate towards other like-minded individuals and thus you get these different groups, like in Christian faith Catholics etc, and though most will be good (if we are at all to have faith in humanity) there will be some inevitably bad/horrible groups that stem from ANY of these globally widespread books/faiths. It's simple odds based on the prolific numbers.

It's not the books/faiths fault. It's the individuals.

Thus - making threads like "Islam unleashes it's terror against ___" is retarded. No less retarded than "Christians unleash their terror against black people" and posting some lynching event.

It's the Same. Damn. Thing.
I agree with this, but I do think something should be done...But what you could do I really don't know. Not afraid to say that.

I'm just sick of hearing about people killing over this, though they'll find reasons no matter what I guess

[gigantes]

...You know how people are always talking about the moderate Muslims should step up.....? Well when one tried to open a community center in New York based on the model of the Jewish 92nd Street Y, a place to bring people together for lectures and discussions among other things. Pam Geller lied and screamed and smeared him. He was going to name it after a tolerant time in Islamic history and she accused his of celebrating terrorism. I worked down the street the building the guy bought, a ****ing Burlington coat factory, it was not part of ground zero, but she knew people not in NY wouldn't know that. She was and is 100% dishonest about that episode...
damn, she is one scary-looking (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22pam+geller%22&iax=1&ia=images) thing.

so apparently she's a jewish gal who went apeshit over 9/11 and got all fired up to strike back against muslims.

free speech, my ass.

i wouldn't be surprised if she trolled american muslim groups online, hoping to get some kind of reaction for this event. the response was almost too good... enough to make national headlines, but far too incompetent to actually get her people hurt. actually i bet she wouldn't have minded if some poor artist fool became a martyr to advance her crazy agenda.

[bluechox2]

may they get their virgins

[imdaman99]

damn, she is one scary-looking (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22pam+geller%22&iax=1&ia=images) thing.

so apparently she's a jewish gal who went apeshit over 9/11 and got all fired up to strike back against muslims.

free speech, my ass.

i wouldn't be surprised if she trolled american muslim groups online, hoping to get some kind of reaction for this event. the response was almost too good... enough to make national headlines, but far too incompetent to actually get her people hurt. actually i bet she wouldn't have minded if some poor artist fool became a martyr to advance her crazy agenda.
It's funny but I think there at least a couple of Islamophobes on here who consider her their hero :oldlol:

[qrich]

Fundamental difference is that none of this is part of the doctrine if any significant Christian group.

You go to any Islamic cleric and ask if it's wrong to marry and rape a 9 year old girl and they will tell you it depends on the situation.

Nobody really cares what is in some book dictated by an illiterate savage. And nobody should care. Only care about what is taught and what is part of religious doctrine today.

Is it still in the Bible? Yes. Are extremist Christians as idiotic as extremist Muslims? Yes. Also, look at Brian David Mitchell, who kidnapped Elizabeth Smart in order to force her to marry him, was going to get her cousin as well. Look at the Vatican protecting pedo's.

Plus you can't judge many for the actions of an iota. I mean, Buddhism is supposed to be the ultimate form of peace, yet, you had these same people attempt to systematically destroy all Muslims in Myanmar.

And no, the latter is idiotically incorrect as well. Please go ahead and do that, record it and show me the result.

[imdaman99]

Is it still in the Bible? Yes. Are extremist Christians as idiotic as extremist Muslims? Yes. Also, look at Brian David Mitchell, who kidnapped Elizabeth Smart in order to force her to marry him, was going to get her cousin as well. Look at the Vatican protecting pedo's.

Plus you can't judge many for the actions of an iota. I mean, Buddhism is supposed to be the ultimate form of peace, yet, you had these same people attempt to systematically destroy all Muslims in Myanmar.

And no, the latter is idiotically incorrect as well. Please go ahead and do that, record it and show me the result.
I wonder how many Islamic clerics the guy has went into, to ask about his theory :oldlol: Guy loves to make stuff up

Dude has nothing new to say. It's the same old broken record. Finding verses from the Quran taken out of context. It's like what a 7 year old would do, and it's what the terrorists do when they justify their acts of violence. OH IT SAYS IN THE BOOK I CAN DO THIS AND THAT!!!!!!!!!! No, there is such a thing as taking out of context.

[CavaliersFTW]

I wonder how many Islamic clerics the guy has went into, to ask about his theory :oldlol: Guy loves to make stuff up

Dude has nothing new to say. It's the same old broken record. Finding verses from the Quran taken out of context. It's like what a 7 year old would do, and it's what the terrorists do when they justify their acts of violence. OH IT SAYS IN THE BOOK I CAN DO THIS AND THAT!!!!!!!!!! No, there is such a thing as taking out of context.
And there's also legitimately bad shit in religious texts... Things that were perhaps at one time acceptable in ancient societies that are no longer acceptable in the modern world.

Some of that stuff can't be written off as just being out of context some of it's legit bad stuff with little room for misinterpretation. Where a quote miner can get themselves in trouble however, is if they think the same tactic can't be applied to their own religion with similar results. The Christian bible for example, is filled with similar content that an outsider looking in is going to raise an eyebrow at.

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all pretty much the same shit to a non religious person they are all like 3 members of the same family particularly when compared with other religions like that of a Native American or Australian whose ancient beliefs have no ties with "one" god and a bunch of overlapping prophets and disciples.

It's all the same stuff with only subtle tweaks you can tell it all originated at around the same time in the same region. So it makes me laugh when a Christian or Jew or Muslim tries to look righteous in the presence of a person with one of those other two nearly identical religions. To me it's like a classic pot meet kettle conflict.

Everyone needs to learn how to get along, or were ****ed. As far as I can tell, it's still individuals that do bad things. Not collective religions.

[longtime lurker]

Can't believe that some Muslims fell for this shit. They're looking for a reason to basically hate them and violate their rights and they fell for the bait. Why give this hateful pieces of shit like Pam Geller what they want. The fvcked up thing is that her and the typical FOX news types are happy something like this happened. I'm sure they're disappointed one of their people didn't get kill. How fvcking stupid are these people to pull a stunt like this

[~primetime~]

Can't believe that some Muslims fell for this shit. They're looking for a reason to basically hate them and violate their rights and they fell for the bait. Why give this hateful pieces of shit like Pam Geller what they want. The fvcked up thing is that her and the typical FOX news types are happy something like this happened. I'm sure they're disappointed one of their people didn't get kill. How fvcking stupid are these people to pull a stunt like this
I'm not a "FOX News Type" in the least but I LOVE that this happened.

These two guys drove all the way from Arizona, brought their AKs, brought suit cases full of ammo planning to do a shit ton of damage, got all decked out in bullet proof armour...stepped out their car and got their fckin heads blown off.

Absolutely beautiful :applause:



It's about time that a shoot up massacre went down like this, this should make everyone happy.

[Patrick Chewing]

The bible has a ton of ****ed up violent messages in it too. Does that mean Christians aren't peaceful or capable of being peaceful? Should they all be lumped together with Christian groups like the KKK?

I don't think there are any/many religions that don't have violent militant text written somewhere in their scripture. That doesn't mean a majority of people in the world that choose to follow any one of the options of religion they've got can't turn a blind eye to that and be peaceful. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is a Muslim. He's a good person as far as I can see.


Christians are more civilized and that is an indisputable fact. Look at the most hardline of Christians today. None of them commit atrocities the likes that radical Islam does.

It's a tired argument comparing Christians and Muslims and one book or the other. Islam was a violent religion then, and is a violent religion now.

[~primetime~]

Yeah I mean you can argue that the two religions are similar, but the people practicing the religions are not similar. There is no Christian version of ISIS/Al Queda/etc

The worst shit that Christians do is declaring gays can't marry lol

[CavaliersFTW]

Yeah I mean you can argue that the two religions are similar, but the people practicing the religions are not similar. There is no Christian version of ISIS/Al Queda/etc

The worst shit that Christians do is declaring gays can't marry lol
No, the worst shit in the U.S. that you hear Christians doing might be saying that. But then again, you live a sheltered life here in the U.S. and probably haven't had that good of a history lesson on Christianity and all that people who've identified as Christians have done in the name of Christianity throughout world history.

Historically, and globally, people who identify themselves as Christians have gotten away with horrific shit on a massive scale in the name of their religion.

The crusades, the dark ages, KKK, Nazi's, Catholic pedophilia. Christianity is not a righteous religion any more so than Judaism or Islam. Currently a lot of negative attention might be on Islam, but historically like I said on sheer statistics alone due to the popularity and size of religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, there have been a lot of periods in history where really bad groups have tainted the names of all these sister religions.

Those three religions historically speaking, are basically identical to an outsider looking in. I'm an outsider looking in. They're all the ****ing same, you're either not very well schooled on the topic or in total denial to think one is any more righteous than the other. History is written by the victors, you live in the U.S. a country that is (or at least was founded on) predominately Christian beliefs as such your education, upbringing is predominately going to paint Christians and Christianity in a positive light. You've been given a filtered education and are presented filtered news on the religion. Historically, people identifying as Christians were pretty successful in their destruction of sciences and education, assassinations, corruption, slavery and complete smiting/destruction of entire cultures and peoples that got in their way. There have been groups of Christians that in your eyes would look like complete savages if you weren't aware they were doing what they did in the name of Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christofascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion#Christianity

I'm not defending Islamic extremists here I think as individuals they are committing horrific things and need to be punished accordingly. I'm just trying to point out, any person in this thread trying to paint "Islam" as a whole (blanketing the entire religion not just the extremists) as being any less righteous or more violent than "Christianity" is pot calling out kettle as far as I can see.

[CavaliersFTW]

Christians are more civilized and that is an indisputable fact. Look at the most hardline of Christians today. None of them commit atrocities the likes that radical Islam does.

It's a tired argument comparing Christians and Muslims and one book or the other. Islam was a violent religion then, and is a violent religion now.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/06/jungle-horror-survivor-uganda-lord-resistance-army-tells-his-story/

Notice how fox news fails to headline lord resistance army what it is... a Christian terrorist group.

This is part of the reason why you and others don't think Christian terrorist groups/violent Christians exist yet you do think terrorists and violent people are a Muslim thing. Because if that group was based on Islam, it would be headlined as Islamic terrorists. Convenient how your top news sources filter that stuff out for you.

[Patrick Chewing]

Why can't some of you get that Christians are not stuck in the Middle Ages, but Muslims are?

Once again someone is bringing up the Crusades, the Inquisition, blah blah blah.

And lol the Nazi's weren't Christians.

[CavaliersFTW]

Why can't some of you get that Christians are not stuck in the Middle Ages, but Muslims are?

Once again someone is bringing up the Crusades, the Inquisition, blah blah blah.

And lol the Nazi's weren't Christians.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-1985-0109-502%2C_Kirchenwahl.-_Propaganda_der_%22Deutschen_Christen%22_in_Berlin .jpg

Christian terrorists cut this womans lips off:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01828/uganda-marie_1828772c.jpg

And this woman's nose off:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/04/18/international/18uganda2_184.jpg

Recently.

You don't hear about it on the news because the U.S. doesn't really give a shit. And painting Christians as enemies is not on their agenda.

[HitandRun Reggie]

No, the worst shit in the U.S. that you hear Christians doing might be saying that. But then again, you live a sheltered life here in the U.S. and probably haven't had that good of a history lesson on Christianity and all that people who've identified as Christians have done in the name of Christianity throughout world history.

Historically, and globally, people who identify themselves as Christians have gotten away with horrific shit on a massive scale in the name of their religion.

The crusades, the dark ages, KKK, Nazi's, Catholic pedophilia. Christianity is not a righteous religion any more so than Judaism or Islam. Currently a lot of negative attention might be on Islam, but historically like I said on sheer statistics alone due to the popularity and size of religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, there have been a lot of periods in history where really bad groups have tainted the names of all these sister religions.

Those three religions historically speaking, are basically identical to an outsider looking in. I'm an outsider looking in. They're all the ****ing same, you're either not very well schooled on the topic or in total denial to think one is any more righteous than the other. History is written by the victors, you live in the U.S. a country that is (or at least was founded on) predominately Christian beliefs as such your education, upbringing is predominately going to paint Christians and Christianity in a positive light. You've been given a filtered education and are presented filtered news on the religion. Historically, people identifying as Christians were pretty successful in their destruction of sciences and education, assassinations, corruption, slavery and complete smiting/destruction of entire cultures and peoples that got in their way. There have been groups of Christians that in your eyes would look like complete savages if you weren't aware they were doing what they did in the name of Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christofascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion#Christianity

I'm not defending Islamic extremists here I think as individuals they are committing horrific things and need to be punished accordingly. I'm just trying to point out, any person in this thread trying to paint "Islam" as a whole (blanketing the entire religion not just the extremists) as being any less righteous or more violent than "Christianity" is pot calling out kettle as far as I can see.


This post is actually pretty insulting to Islam. It basically states that Islam is so primitive and backwards, it hasn't evolved with Christianity and the world's other religions. Almost as if you're saying Islam is Christianity's retarded younger brother that's so stupid he keeps getting held back a grade.

[Patrick Chewing]

Read up on Hitler and his opinion on Christianity. He was no friend to Christians.


Oh damn, they cut her nose off??? Oh poor lady. She's still alive though, right? I mean her eyes are open.

Here's a list of Islamic terrorism since the 80's where they actually killed people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks


Sit down, it'll take a while.


Don't come on here trying to lump radical Christians with these Muslim pigs.

[CavaliersFTW]

Read up on Hitler and his opinion on Christianity. He was no friend to Christians.


Oh damn, they cut her nose off??? Oh poor lady. She's still alive though, right? I mean her eyes are open.

Here's a list of Islamic terrorism since the 80's where they actually killed people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks


Sit down, it'll take a while.


Don't come on here trying to lump radical Christians with these Muslim pigs.
Hitler is one man.

Most Nazi's were Christians.

History is written by the victors, do you think the Western World, a predominately Christian one, is going to go into detail about Christian terrorist groups and identify them appropriately and detail every single attack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPbExwBJiwY

This dude, in the eyes of a non-christian, is a militant violent christian. In the eyes of your typical Christian, he's just the "Boer leader" and his God fearing Christianity stipulations are completely glossed over and omitted. Because in our society Christianity is considered a positive trait not a negative one, and we mention only things we deem bad when we paint bad guys in the news.

He isn't painted that way by our Western Christian idealized news/wiki pages. To them he's just a bigot. But to me for example, a non-christian, his God fearing Christian statement stands out and he most definitely is a Christian militant no different than someone doing what he does in the name of Allah.

He's one example among countless.

How many attacks made by the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda are on the Christian wiki page again? There have been countless thousands of attacks made by that group alone in recent years. They should be all over the Christian terrorist page. Instead they get a brief paragraph. History is written by the victors. We live in a Western civilization where Christian's are a majority and/or idealized, so we don't paint Christian terrorists as Christian terrorists. Yet we call Muslims who are terrorists Muslim terrorists.

[~primetime~]

No, the worst shit in the U.S. that you hear Christians doing might be saying that. But then again, you live a sheltered life here in the U.S. and probably haven't had that good of a history lesson on Christianity and all that people who've identified as Christians have done in the name of Christianity throughout world history.

Historically, and globally, people who identify themselves as Christians have gotten away with horrific shit on a massive scale in the name of their religion.

The crusades, the dark ages, KKK, Nazi's, Catholic pedophilia. Christianity is not a righteous religion any more so than Judaism or Islam. Currently a lot of negative attention might be on Islam, but historically like I said on sheer statistics alone due to the popularity and size of religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, there have been a lot of periods in history where really bad groups have tainted the names of all these sister religions.

Those three religions historically speaking, are basically identical to an outsider looking in. I'm an outsider looking in. They're all the ****ing same, you're either not very well schooled on the topic or in total denial to think one is any more righteous than the other. History is written by the victors, you live in the U.S. a country that is (or at least was founded on) predominately Christian beliefs as such your education, upbringing is predominately going to paint Christians and Christianity in a positive light. You've been given a filtered education and are presented filtered news on the religion. Historically, people identifying as Christians were pretty successful in their destruction of sciences and education, assassinations, corruption, slavery and complete smiting/destruction of entire cultures and peoples that got in their way. There have been groups of Christians that in your eyes would look like complete savages if you weren't aware they were doing what they did in the name of Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christofascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion#Christianity

I'm not defending Islamic extremists here I think as individuals they are committing horrific things and need to be punished accordingly. I'm just trying to point out, any person in this thread trying to paint "Islam" as a whole (blanketing the entire religion not just the extremists) as being any less righteous or more violent than "Christianity" is pot calling out kettle as far as I can see.
I'm talking about TODAY dum dum

Not the fcking crusades...:facepalm

[qrich]

Muslims came here to trade in the early 19th century and made up 15% of the CAR's population a year ago, but since then untold thousands have been killed or displaced or have fled to neighbouring countries. The UN said last week that while 130,000 to 145,000 Muslims normally lived in the capital, Bangui, the population had been reduced to around 10,000 in December and now stood at just 900.

Christianity committing ethnic cleansing since December, wiping out 9,100.

[QUOTE]Maronite Christian militias perpetrated the Karantina and Tel al-Zaatar massacres of Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims during Lebanon's 1975

[ace23]

I'm talking about TODAY dum dum

Not the fcking crusades...:facepalm
Exactly ****** always wanna bring up the Crusades. :lol

[CavaliersFTW]

I'm talking about TODAY dum dum

Not the fcking crusades...:facepalm
Look at some of my other posts before you jump the gun and assume I've mentioned nothing recent, dum dum.

[CavaliersFTW]

Exactly ****** always wanna bring up the Crusades. :lol
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01828/uganda-marie_1828772c.jpg

She would love to tell you about Christians engaging in violent acts of terrorism. Except that the Christians she would tell you about cut off her lips.

[~primetime~]

People trying to point the finger at Christians citing ww2 and the crusades :facepalm

Stay in this century ffs... In this decade even

Today in 2015 Muslims are more violent

[qrich]

People trying to point the finger at Christians citing ww2 and the crusades :facepalm

Stay in this century ffs... In this decade even

Today in 2015 Muslims are more violent

WW2 occurred from Dec, 2013 - March, 2014?

:eek:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Muslim and Christian extremists can both **** off. :confusedshrug:

Everyone happy? :cheers:

[qrich]

Muslim and Christian extremists can both **** off. :confusedshrug:

Everyone happy? :cheers:

Holy shit, I agree with a Canadian :eek:

:bowdown:

[~primetime~]

WW2 occurred from Dec, 2013 - March, 2014?

:eek:
Whaaaa?

[qrich]

Whaaaa?

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11310314&postcount=221


Bangui neighbourhoods such as PK5, once thriving with Muslim businesses, now resemble ghost towns. On a recent Tuesday afternoon, hundreds of market stalls and small shops were empty and deserted as a body lay in the road and gun-toting African peacekeepers patrolled in an armoured vehicle. Down side streets there were vehicles piled high with personal belongings. It is estimated that the Muslim population has dropped from around 7,000 to just 1,000 here.

At the mosque where the five bodies lay, there was rage, coupled with confusion over whether the anti-balaka or Burundian peacekeepers were responsible for the deaths. "It is happening every day," said Abdouraman Saudi, 45, who has lost numerous businesses. "If you're Muslim and you try to leave PK5, you're a dead man. It's a prison."

He vowed: "For me, it's finished. From today, we will not be the victims because we will attack the Christians. We are going to defend ourselves. From today with the international community, we don't care. We are not protected by them so we will attack them also."

In another largely Muslim neighbourhood, PK12, families camp out in grass and mud with buckets, carpets, mattresses, discarded rubbish, cooking pots over charcoal fires and a constant fear of lobbed grenades. Convoys that try to get out of here must run the gauntlet of taunting Christian mobs. In one incident, a Muslim who fell from a vehicle was summarily lynched. In another, five children suffocated in an overcrowded truck and were found dead when the convoy arrived at Bangui's military airport.

Ibrahim Alawad, 55, a lawyer, pointed to a trench and fresh burial mounds and said he had buried a 22-year-old student hours earlier. The area's population had shrunk from 25,000 people six months ago to 2,700 today, he said, while four mosques had been destroyed. "They're not killing the Muslims, they're sweeping them. Imagine someone wants to kill you, roast you on the fire and eat you. It's the hell of the hell. There are no living conditions here."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge

[Patrick Chewing]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01828/uganda-marie_1828772c.jpg

She would love to tell you about Christians engaging in violent acts of terrorism. Except that the Christians she would tell you about cut off her lips.


Let me know when Christians start doing this...

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/isis-islamic-state-beheads-21-christians-egypt-bombs-them-in-retaliation.jpg


In the meantime, the lip-less African woman will never have to worry about chapped f'n lips.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Muslim and Christian extremists can both **** off. :confusedshrug:

Everyone happy? :cheers:

Why isn't everyone happy. :(

[Nick Young]

The bible has a ton of ****ed up violent messages in it too. Does that mean Christians aren't peaceful or capable of being peaceful? Should they all be lumped together with Christian groups like the KKK?

I don't think there are any/many religions that don't have violent militant text written somewhere in their scripture. That doesn't mean a majority of people in the world that choose to follow any one of the options of religion they've got can't turn a blind eye to that and be peaceful. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is a Muslim. He's a good person as far as I can see.
Yes I agree with you. But also I don't think people can say Mohammad didn't encourage violence and terror, when clearly he did. It is all right there in the holy book that is apparently his own words.

Of course most people have a peaceful interpretation of his words. But many also have a violent interpretation. That makes sense considering in the Koran he blatantly calls for violence in his followers many times. Mohammad himself was also a violent warlord, if you go by history.

I am never claiming "Christianity is a peaceful religion", bringing that up is deflection from the main point.

[Nick Young]

Damn, dude lived off 19th Ave & T-Bird, only about 3 miles from where I lived. Wonder if I ever saw him anywhere.



Thoughts on the Bible stating that a rape victim must marry her rapist?
That's pretty shit, I'm glad that the USA law does not follow the bible word for word. Interesting you bring that up though.

In many Muslim countries today, BY LAW a rape victim does have to marry their rapist.

FACT.

[Nick Young]

Nice happy ending to this event.

Muslims need to realize that their religion only prevents them from depicting their prophet.

Everyone else is allowed to.
The words of the Koran don't even say anything about preventing anyone from depicting or drawing the prophet.

[Nick Young]

It's in the bible though.

"Muslims" don't all kill people in the name of their prophet. In fact, the overwhelming majority don't.

There's a bunch of hypocrites in this thread if they think otherwise. As a non-religious person, I can see there's just as much retarded violent shit in the Christian faith and Bible as there is in the Muslim faith and the Quran. You're in denial if you think otherwise, they're both equally archaic and militant. And both "faiths" have been claimed by equally disgusting types of extremists so calling all these acts of terrorism "Muslim" acts of terrorism is stupid.
It doesn't matter what it says in the bible or any holy book if those words aren't being acted on today.


In the Koran, there are many verses encouraging violence and terror. Sure enough, there are many acts of violence and terror now committed by muslims, inspired by these verses in the Koran.

There are many wars going on right now, inspired by these verses-see the atrocities committed by ISIS and during the Syrian Civil war for example, or these two idiot terrorists who tried to shoot people up for drawing cartoons.

[Nick Young]

It's simple odds.

You get a billion people attempting to practice a "faith" surrounding some book, with questionable/vague/confusing/sometimes millitant sounding content in it (Christian Bible, or Islamic Quran) that means you've got a billion INDIVIDUALS all with their own opinions and agendas.

They will gravitate towards other like-minded individuals and thus you get these different groups, like in Christian faith Catholics etc, and though most will be good (if we are at all to have faith in humanity) there will be some inevitably bad/horrible groups that stem from ANY of these globally widespread books/faiths. It's simple odds based on the prolific numbers.

It's not the books/faiths fault. It's the individuals.

Thus - making threads like "Islam unleashes it's terror against ___" is retarded. No less retarded than "Christians unleash their terror against black people" and posting some lynching event.

It's the Same. Damn. Thing.
Let's talk about today. Not history. Not crusades that happened thousands of years ago.


Where is the Christian version of IS? Where are the Christian suicide bombers? Where are the Christians who hijack planes and fly them in to buildings? :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

No, the worst shit in the U.S. that you hear Christians doing might be saying that. But then again, you live a sheltered life here in the U.S. and probably haven't had that good of a history lesson on Christianity and all that people who've identified as Christians have done in the name of Christianity throughout world history.

Historically, and globally, people who identify themselves as Christians have gotten away with horrific shit on a massive scale in the name of their religion.

The crusades, the dark ages, KKK, Nazi's, Catholic pedophilia. Christianity is not a righteous religion any more so than Judaism or Islam. Currently a lot of negative attention might be on Islam, but historically like I said on sheer statistics alone due to the popularity and size of religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, there have been a lot of periods in history where really bad groups have tainted the names of all these sister religions.

Those three religions historically speaking, are basically identical to an outsider looking in. I'm an outsider looking in. They're all the ****ing same, you're either not very well schooled on the topic or in total denial to think one is any more righteous than the other. History is written by the victors, you live in the U.S. a country that is (or at least was founded on) predominately Christian beliefs as such your education, upbringing is predominately going to paint Christians and Christianity in a positive light. You've been given a filtered education and are presented filtered news on the religion. Historically, people identifying as Christians were pretty successful in their destruction of sciences and education, assassinations, corruption, slavery and complete smiting/destruction of entire cultures and peoples that got in their way. There have been groups of Christians that in your eyes would look like complete savages if you weren't aware they were doing what they did in the name of Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christofascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion#Christianity

I'm not defending Islamic extremists here I think as individuals they are committing horrific things and need to be punished accordingly. I'm just trying to point out, any person in this thread trying to paint "Islam" as a whole (blanketing the entire religion not just the extremists) as being any less righteous or more violent than "Christianity" is pot calling out kettle as far as I can see.
Ok good for you. This thread is about Islam however. We aren't talking about historical events that happened hundreds of years ago. We are talking about today. Stop deflecting and changing the subject from the point at hand here: Muslims who want to kill cartoonists for drawing cartoons.

If you want to start a discussion about the history of Christian inspired violence, please make a new thread.

[Nick Young]

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11310314&postcount=221



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/central-african-republic-christian-militias-revenge
Ok nice example. If you want to go by deathcount however-and it seems that's what you're after, let's look at the Muslims killed so far in the Syrian civil war-by other muslims.

Oh, it's over 210,000 people, primarily Muslims, killed primarily by other muslims! Don't forget about the coptic Christians and kurds that they are doing their best to wipe out :O

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/07/us-mideast-crisis-toll-idUSKBN0LB0DY20150207

Here's an image of a Muslim holy warrior eating the heart of a dead enemy!
http://www.thewire.com/static/img/upload/2013/05/14/syria2.jpg

[qrich]

Ok nice example. If you want to go by deathcount however-and it seems that's what you're after, let's look at the Muslims killed so far in the Syrian civil war-by other muslims.

Oh, it's over 210,000 people, primarily Muslims, killed primarily by other muslims! Don't forget about the coptic Christians and kurds that they are doing their best to wipe out :O

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/07/us-mideast-crisis-toll-idUSKBN0LB0DY20150207

Here's an image of a Muslim holy warrior eating the heart of a dead enemy!
http://www.thewire.com/static/img/upload/2013/05/14/syria2.jpg

Not going after deathcount, just pointing it out to show the extremeness. My point is simply that radicals are idiots, despite religion.

**** the Kurds tho

[Nick Young]

Not going after deathcount, just pointing it out to show the extremeness. My point is simply that radicals are idiots, despite religion.

**** the Kurds tho
Why do you hate an entire ethnic group?:confusedshrug:

In terms of "extremeness" don't you agree that 210,000 killed is much more "extreme" than 8,000? I agree all radicals are idiots. Some are more idiotic and deadly than others though. Surely you agree with that?

[qrich]

Why do you hate an entire ethnic group?:confusedshrug:

In terms of "extremeness" don't you agree that 210,000 killed is much more "extreme" than 8,000?

Because the Kurds were vital in aiding the Ottomans/Turks in the Genocide of the Assyrians, Armenians and Greeks.

Don't really hate them though, just **** them.

And yes, 210,000 is a higher toll than 8,000. But the difference from 25k to 2,700 is nearly 90% is quite extreme in itself, is it not? I mean, that is as near as completing a Genocide as done since the 20th century, even in 1915, the percent was 75% with 1,500,000ish.

[Nick Young]

Because the Kurds were vital in aiding the Ottomans/Turks in the Genocide of the Assyrians, Armenians and Greeks.


Weird that now the Turks have turned on them.

F*ck the Turks!:mad:

[NumberSix]

Why do people always bring up things Christian people did that were in no way advocated by the founder of Christianity?

[Nick Young]

Why do people always bring up things Christian people did that were in no way advocated by the founder of Christianity?
It's a typical deflection tactic, when they want to ignore and avoid answering direct questions. It is also a logical fallacy.

They bring up the crusades when the last one occurred about 600 years ago now. They will ignore it when you bring up things that certain other cultures were doing 600+ years ago.

Example: Who started the slave trade and were practicing it for a thousand years before Christians picked it up again? Hint-it wasn't Christians. Who introduced the slave trade to Christians? Hint-it wasn't Christians.

Which cultures in the world today are currently the biggest practitioners of human slavery? Hint-they aren't Christian cultures.

Which cultures kill and punish women for the crime of getting raped? Hint-not Christian cultures.


"B-b-b-b-b-but the crusades doe!"

Typical strategy-if you can't or don't want to answer a question, deflect, deflect, deflect and change the subject.

[dunksby]

Drew them out, killed them: good job.

:applause:
http://40.media.tumblr.com/b26d95be1a54597023cfbe3f261e135a/tumblr_nmuqa2Ci2Z1tuwbfjo1_500.jpg

[Dresta]

"People on the left" don't hate private schools, the **** are you talking about?

People on the left DO hate school voucher programs that go toward "private schools" that are nothing more than bible schools that teach math is a perversion of god and other such nonsense.
Seriously, where do morons like you get this bullshit from? All you do is moan about things that are demonstrably untrue, while thinking you have a right to legislate from on high, and demand people teach their kids what you want them to be taught. All you want to do is take choices away from families and parents, because you think you know best, for everyone. Fact is, schools that simply indoctrinate kids in bible stories, are never going to be competitive, and very few people are going to want to send their kids to schools that are heavily disrespected (as such a school would be). Nor does any school (as far as i'm aware) teach Math as a perversion of God. I do know, however, that the standard of Math most Americans reach is woeful, and largely a consequence of their bog-standard public education system, which cares more about telling kids the right way to live, then teaching them rigorous academic disciplines.

Some of the best schools in the UK (the education system i know best) are faith schools for this very reason, and non-religious parents are fighting to get their kids into such schools. Religious schools are very often the best schools (Harvard, Yale, etc. - these are academic institutions founded by the religious). From my experience, religious people have far more respect for the education of the young than Federal bureaucrats and administrators do.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Wow, the Texas cop took out both terrorists wielding assault rifles with just his Glock .45 pistol. What a badass. :cheers: Glock 21(.45) sales are going to go through the roof after this. :oldlol:

Props to the Elton Simpson family for not even remotely trying to defend their son's actions by blaming America or society. The father:

"We are Americans and we believe in America,

[Dresta]

No, the worst shit in the U.S. that you hear Christians doing might be saying that. But then again, you live a sheltered life here in the U.S. and probably haven't had that good of a history lesson on Christianity and all that people who've identified as Christians have done in the name of Christianity throughout world history.

Historically, and globally, people who identify themselves as Christians have gotten away with horrific shit on a massive scale in the name of their religion.

The crusades, the dark ages, KKK, Nazi's, Catholic pedophilia. Christianity is not a righteous religion any more so than Judaism or Islam. Currently a lot of negative attention might be on Islam, but historically like I said on sheer statistics alone due to the popularity and size of religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, there have been a lot of periods in history where really bad groups have tainted the names of all these sister religions.

Those three religions historically speaking, are basically identical to an outsider looking in. I'm an outsider looking in. They're all the ****ing same, you're either not very well schooled on the topic or in total denial to think one is any more righteous than the other. History is written by the victors, you live in the U.S. a country that is (or at least was founded on) predominately Christian beliefs as such your education, upbringing is predominately going to paint Christians and Christianity in a positive light. You've been given a filtered education and are presented filtered news on the religion. Historically, people identifying as Christians were pretty successful in their destruction of sciences and education, assassinations, corruption, slavery and complete smiting/destruction of entire cultures and peoples that got in their way. There have been groups of Christians that in your eyes would look like complete savages if you weren't aware they were doing what they did in the name of Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christofascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_conversion#Christianity

I'm not defending Islamic extremists here I think as individuals they are committing horrific things and need to be punished accordingly. I'm just trying to point out, any person in this thread trying to paint "Islam" as a whole (blanketing the entire religion not just the extremists) as being any less righteous or more violent than "Christianity" is pot calling out kettle as far as I can see.
I am also an 'outsider looking in' (though tbh, neither of us are this, we are both heavily indebted to Christianity, whether we like it or not) and no, they most certainly are not all the same. Judaism is the most obviously different, because it is not a proselytising religion; it is a history, a culture, heritage and way of life more than a straight faith. Christianity, also, is not like Islam, and it's not hard to recognise why. One fits well with secularism because it accepts that 'God's kingdom is not of this world' whereas Islam comes with a pre-set group of laws that they think will rectify all the modern problems of secular decadence - this is why Islam conflicts! It is incompatible with modern secular culture.

On the other hand, Christianity and secularism go hand in hand; to put it more accurately: secularism grew on top of a Christian foundation. Whether you like it or not, your moral responses, your instinctive wants, and many other aspects of your personality, would be completely different if not for Christianity. The national religions of Western states, even when they claim to be secular, are clearly Christian; Christianity was the religion of pity and sympathy, and now we have a secular culture of incessant pity and sympathy. Coincidence? I think not.

Anyway, read this (to save me writing it all out myself):

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/features/the-separation-of-church-and-state-itself-has-christian-roots

[QUOTE]Ever since the Italian Renaissance, many historians have been inclined to minimise the moral and intellectual distance between the modern and ancient worlds, while at the same time maximising the distance separating modern Europe from the Middle Ages. In the 18th century, this attitude developed, especially among the French philosophes, into a passionate anti-clerical feeling that would reshape the understanding of European history.

When the role of the church and of the clergy was being contested and redefined in the 18th century, an understanding of the ancient world as secular

[Nick Young]

http://countercurrentnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Untitled-821.jpg

Americans taking the moral high ground :oldlol: :oldlol:
John McCain speaks for all Americans:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Also, I didn't know John McCain eats his enemies hearts and films it.

[NumberSix]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

This is so true and something that idiots like Nick Young have no idea about. Ive met so many people from the Middle East and the Kurds are EASILY the most religious/nationalistic/backwards out of them all. Just go to any areas of Turkey and youll see that theyre usually the biggest proponents of strict Islam in secular society (Just as they were in Saddams Iraq). Doesnt it tell you something when they were on the side of Crazy religious Islamic Iran against their own neighbours? The only reason America (and morons like Nick Young) are in love with them is because CNN is showing them propaganda videos of "female fighters" every broadcast :oldlol: :oldlol:

Nick Young acting like these Kurds arent murdering and beheading Sunni and Shia Arabs just like their ISIS and Hezbollah enemies. Its a civil war, everyones getting theirs.
True. Kurds are generally more active in practicing things like female circumcision and honour killing.

[Velocirap31]

True. Kurds are generally more active in practicing things like female circumcision and honour killing.

I didn't know this existed so I had to research it :( Oh my god, it sounds like the most horrible thing one could imagine. Any culture that does this is horribly anti-women and insane. There are no health benefits and it's done typically before 5 years old and sometimes into puberty with likely no anesthetic.

[Nick Young]

Kurds>ISIS.


Deal with it
:bowdown:

I dream of Kurdistan one day coming to fruition

[Dresta]

I didn't know this existed so I had to research it :( Oh my god, it sounds like the most horrible thing one could imagine. Any culture that does this is horribly anti-women and insane. There are no health benefits and it's done typically before 5 years old and sometimes into puberty with likely no anesthetic.
Ah, there were many cases of it in the UK, and these were generally went uninvestigated by the authorities because, as i heard a police chief explain it, FGM is a 'sensitive cultural issue.'

:rolleyes:

[Velocirap31]

Dresta makin the uk sound like a big pile of shit

Crossing this place off my list of places to go

I have three friends from the UK that I talk to on facebook. They are very racist towards certain races of immigrants that they say are flooding their country in huge numbers and ruining it. They say their opinions are the norm over there to.

[rufuspaul]

Dresta makin the uk sound like a big pile of shit

Crossing this place off my list of places to go


You should go just to see British teeth.


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/Jumbalaya696969/online/um.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

"B-b-b-b-b-but the crusades doe!"




The sad reality is that none of these people do their research and learn the history behind the Crusades. All they have to do is look up the Umayyad Caliphate and then put that into context into what ISIS is trying to do today.

[Godzuki]

they need to keep provoking muslim extremists with stings like this. you know it infuriates them where even if they know its some suicide setup with swat waiting for them, they can't handle anyone against their beliefs and will go anyways.

the other good it does is it desensitizes muslims to our freedom of speech to clown them or anyone we want :pimp:

[Patrick Chewing]

Yeah because the Western Europeans during the Crusades were so much better :oldlol: :oldlol:


And that applies to clowns using the Crusades as an excuse, how exactly??

Are we talking about life from a thousand years ago or are we talking about religious extremism and how the only prevalent one still in existence today is Islam?

[Nick Young]

And that applies to clowns using the Crusades as an excuse, how exactly??

Are we talking about life from a thousand years ago or are we talking about religious extremism and how the only prevalent one still in existence today is Islam?
No bro. The crusades though bro! THE CRUSADES.

[Nick Young]

Camel jockeys from the Middle East are using their religion as an excuse to murder and gain control of the land in the same way that Americans are using the guise of "freedom and democracy" to do the same.

How the fukc you gonna explain the vast majority of ISIS leaders being former Secular Socialists from Saddams Baath regime? Theyre just using Islam as a front to gain support locally and internationally from fellow Muslims. The Americans are doing the same. You really think theyre fighting for democracy and freedom in the Middle East? Yet thats the line that their leaders feed the public to gain support. You really think theres any difference between that towel head chopping of someones head and a US drone attack that hits a school? You think the people that America kills all die peacefuly in their sleep?

PS. Islam still sucks. But claiming it sucks because of groups like ISIS is like claiming democracy sucks because of American foreign policy.
I don't think anyone still believes USA is fighting for freedom and democracy in the middle east, bra.

[HitandRun Reggie]

I like Texas. The rest of the world is so paranoid about offending others/getting sued, but Texas is like f*ck it.

The lady who organized the event is from New York.

[Derka]

Camel jockeys from the Middle East are using their religion as an excuse to murder and gain control of the land in the same way that Americans are using the guise of "freedom and democracy" to do the same.

How the fukc you gonna explain the vast majority of ISIS leaders being former Secular Socialists from Saddams Baath regime? Theyre just using Islam as a front to gain support locally and internationally from fellow Muslims. The Americans are doing the same. You really think theyre fighting for democracy and freedom in the Middle East? Yet thats the line that their leaders feed the public to gain support. You really think theres any difference between that towel head chopping of someones head and a US drone attack that hits a school? You think the people that America kills all die peacefuly in their sleep?

PS. Islam still sucks. But claiming it sucks because of groups like ISIS is like claiming democracy sucks because of American foreign policy.

Only the real blowhards over here believe that what we've been doing over there (or anywhere else for that matter) has anything at all do with spreading freedom and democracy. Most of us have figured out the truth: a slew of business interests own both houses of our legislature and the presidency and those guys, not the actors and actresses we vote for in our little public displays of election, are the ones who make foreign and domestic policy. The politicians just provide lip service to the rest of the world on freedom and democracy and blah blah blah and don't really offer much else.

I love my country and wouldn't want to live anywhere else...but one of the major psychosis-inducing hatreds I have with the level of discourse here right now is when I hear someone say "the troops over there fighting for our freedoms." People here don't take a moment to think about what they're saying when they let that one out and it drives me insane.

[Nick Young]

Only the real blowhards over here believe that what we've been doing over there (or anywhere else for that matter) has anything at all do with spreading freedom and democracy. Most of us have figured out the truth: a slew of business interests own both houses of our legislature and the presidency and those guys, not the actors and actresses we vote for in our little public displays of election, are the ones who make foreign and domestic policy. The politicians just provide lip service to the rest of the world on freedom and democracy and blah blah blah and don't really offer much else.

I love my country and wouldn't want to live anywhere else...but one of the major psychosis-inducing hatreds I have with the level of discourse here right now is when I hear someone say "the troops over there fighting for our freedoms." People here don't take a moment to think about what they're saying when they let that one out and it drives me insane.
As a country, we wouldn't have the freedom and world power that we do without a massive supply of oil to fuel our shit.

So in a way, the troops are over there fighting for our freedom, and those people who say that are right.

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't care who gets offended by this, but I do think that Muslims here in America, even the most moderate of Muslims are just plain dumb. They severely lack the ability to understand the enormous faults of their religion or it's just a conspiracy to flat out lie to everyone who is non-Muslim (which is in the Koran by the way).

Here's a young female Muslim trying to debate Alan Dershowitz and failing quite miserably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EhLH-ZuLSQ

[pauk]

[quote]According to mainstream Islamic tradition, any physical depiction of the Prophet Muhammad

[Nick Young]

Yes but according to Islam/Koran/God himself its also 500 x more blasphemous to massacre/terrorize/kill etc. especially for something as stupid as a cartoon depiction... which deems you Kafir (unbeliever) to say the very least.... especially if you are doing that by indoctrinating the religion to suit your excuse of a barbaric loony agenda....

This is the difference between a muslim terrorist & say a christian terrorist.... where as a christian terrorist is most likely an atheist/secular/agnostic/not religious he is doing his evil deeds for mostly likely money or **** pleasure or his murder fetishes or whatever it may be, its for himself only.....
But a muslim terrorist most likely knows how great the religion is/acknowledges it & would rather take the religion with them/him to the grave, but only to suit their psycho agendas, they indoctrinate it to suit them, makes them feel better knowing they at least did something which retaliates an islamophob.... Even if it completely disregards every single Islamic principle.........
How are they ignoring Islamic principles when there are verses in the Koran promoting and encouraging terror and violence vs infidels?:confusedshrug:

[pauk]

In Islam its just as "blasphemous" to depict:

God ("Allah", same fellow, arabic translation, just like there is arabic translations for all these guys downstairs)
Jesus
Abraham
Moses
Adam
Ishmael
Noah
Isaac
Ezekiel
David
Solomon
Elias
Zachariah
John the baptist
Jethro
Jacob
Joseph
Aaron
Enoch
Jonah
and so on......

I wonder why psychos never unleash when those guys are depicted... they are just as important as muhammad was to Islam in every single way... :confusedshrug:

[pauk]

How are they ignoring Islamic principles when there are verses in the Koran promoting and encouraging terror and violence vs infidels?:confusedshrug:

The Koran does not promote/encourage terror and violence vs "infidels"... i think you need to stop learning about Islam to much from your American media & friends....

The Koran however does promote/encourage SELF DEFENSE as an extremly last resort in very reasonable context... and when that self defense ocurrs, you are not allowed to go around beheading, raping, terrorizing and hell, recording that and posting it on the Twitter, like Art... its kill or be killed....

& most importantly:

The Koran is very strict in promoting FORGIVENESS/PEACE before the above (self defense/war etc.) happens....

According to Koran if say you have your entire family killed by a guy.... you are obligated to forgive him if he seeks forgiveness....

As i said numerous times before, its very few actual muslims on this planet...... there are many "muslims"..... but very few MUSLIMS.....

[Patrick Chewing]

The Koran does not promote/encourage terror and violence vs "infidels"... i think you need to stop learning about Islam to much from your American media & friends....

The Koran however does promote/encourage SELF DEFENSE as an extremly last resort in very reasonable context...

& most importantly:

The Koran is very strict in promoting FORGIVENESS/PEACE before the above (self defense/war etc.) happens....

According to Koran if say you have your entire family killed by a guy.... you are obligated to forgive him if he seeks forgiveness....

As i said numerous times before, its very few actual muslims on this planet...... there are many "muslims"..... but very few MUSLIMS.....

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"


I will give you another chance.