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KyrieTheFuture

08-08-2016, 07:37 PM

That's what pisses me off about this. I was excited about the DCEU because Marvel needs some legit, healthy competition to keep from getting stagnant and I liked that DC was going for a different, director-driven vision. Instead they keep panicking and trying to copy Marvel while also saying that they're not Marvel because they're "darker" and "more serious."
We'll have the same problem comics did way before today. A severe lack of competition led to boring characters and horrible stories.

highwhey

08-08-2016, 07:49 PM

How do you not know if you've seen a movie? Did that one time you smoked weed destroy your memory?
:roll:

damn draz

Im Still Ballin

08-08-2016, 09:18 PM

Keep Snyder off Superman

Get someone like Sam Raimi to do him

red1

08-08-2016, 09:22 PM

suicide squad was a lot of fun. I don't know what these critics were on

SpecialQue

08-10-2016, 09:40 PM

Just saw it. I didn't think DC could possibly do worse than BvS, but they did. Jesus what a mess. Not only was the plot shit, but the action choreography and editing was fvcking trash. The opening half hour with nonstop "clever" music cues was embarrassing. As horrible as I found BvS, it at the very least had a consistent tone and some great shots. There is nothing to recommend about this film. It wasn't even dumb fun.

sammichoffate

08-10-2016, 10:35 PM

Wonder Woman pls save us

Nilocon165

08-10-2016, 10:41 PM

Aquaman, Wonder Women, and Flash are gonna save the DCEU.

Also I think there was a Harley Quinn solo movie announced?

KyrieTheFuture

08-10-2016, 10:43 PM

Nilocon165

08-10-2016, 10:46 PM

I loved the music :confusedshrug:
I think the problem people had with the music was that it sometimes distracting and used way too much over original score.

But yeah I loved all the music in it.

KyrieTheFuture

08-10-2016, 10:48 PM

I think the problem people had with the music was that it sometimes distracting and used way too much over original score.

But yeah I loved all the music in it.
I love when directors use music like that so I'm biased I guess.

If anything SS suffers from the problem all superhero movies have, bad/cartoonish villains. Except they might have the worst ever in Enchantress.

nightprowler10

08-11-2016, 12:02 AM

I love when directors use music like that so I'm biased I guess.

If anything SS suffers from the problem all superhero movies have, bad/cartoonish villains. Except they might have the worst ever in Enchantress.
Yeah I have always criticized MCU movies for their weak ass villains, but Enchantress is pretty high on the bad villains list. I think it was mostly bad casting though.

DC movies, while a mixed bag, usually has villains that are pretty fleshed out.

Nick Young

08-11-2016, 02:02 AM

I can't believe this shitty movie is making so much money. People are dumb.

SpecialQue

08-11-2016, 02:30 AM

Yeah I have always criticized MCU movies for their weak ass villains, but Enchantress is pretty high on the bad villains list. I think it was mostly bad casting though.

DC movies, while a mixed bag, usually has villains that are pretty fleshed out.

The "best" DCEU villain so far has been Eisenberg as Lex. At least he had a personality.

As for the Enchantress, casting was never going to save that poorly written role.

Im Still Ballin

08-11-2016, 03:31 AM

Can confirm: BvS Ultimate Cut bumps it above Age of Ultron

9erempiree

08-11-2016, 03:37 AM

So I'm hearing GOAT movie and hearing WOAT movie.

Interesting.

Is their at least nudity?

Lakers Legend#32

08-11-2016, 03:39 AM

Suicide Squad is absolute dreck. Not even Margo Robbie in hot pants can save it.

Im Still Ballin

08-11-2016, 03:45 AM

I'm hearing GOAT movie

nightprowler10

08-11-2016, 12:24 PM

The "best" DCEU villain so far has been Eisenberg as Lex. At least he had a personality.

Really? I thought Zod was the best one.

BTW, my comment had nothing to do with good, just that they are given more time and have better motivations than MCU villains in general. I know a lot of people have issues with Lex's motivations in BvS and Eisenberg's portrayal as Lex, but I thought it was still better than most MCU villains.

MintBerryCrunch

08-11-2016, 01:11 PM

I loved the music :confusedshrug:
They were good songs, but transitioning from song to song just made it feel like I was watching old school MTV rather than a movie.

Im Still Ballin

08-11-2016, 01:14 PM

nightprowler10

08-11-2016, 01:50 PM

If haven't done so already, watch the Ultimate Cut

Makes Lex much better
I watched it twice already. I liked him, but there was a lot of room for improvement in his performance and his story.

SpecialQue

08-11-2016, 01:53 PM

Really? I thought Zod was the best one.

BTW, my comment had nothing to do with good, just that they are given more time and have better motivations than MCU villains in general. I know a lot of people have issues with Lex's motivations in BvS and Eisenberg's portrayal as Lex, but I thought it was still better than most MCU villains.

Agreed that, for the most part, MCU villains aren't fleshed out. Weird thing is that Ultron was extremely fleshed out in my opinion, but that quippy nature of the character didn't make him seem like a real threat. Loki's the best they've got honestly because he's the closest to the Joker in terms of execution, since he's mainly a trickster god who likes to stir the shit. His sibling rivalry with Thor has also worked in the Thor movies which, strangely enough, are also the weakest in the MCU.

The best villains the MCU has put out aside from Loki are on Netflix. I'd love to see Kingpin return in a Spider-Man film.

SpecialQue

08-11-2016, 01:56 PM

I watched it twice already. I liked him, but there was a lot of room for improvement in his performance and his story.

I think I'm alone in really loving Lex in that film. Yeah, it's a horrible version of the character, but as an isolated thing, he single-handedly made each scene he was in enjoyable for me. And while his motivations in the theatrical cut may have been muddled, the rooftop scene that kicks off the Superman/Batman battle was really well done, and had more tension in it than anything in SS.

MintBerryCrunch

08-11-2016, 01:57 PM

Agreed that, for the most part, MCU villains aren't fleshed out. Weird thing is that Ultron was extremely fleshed out in my opinion, but that quippy nature of the character didn't make him seem like a real threat. Loki's the best they've got honestly because he's the closest to the Joker in terms of execution, since he's mainly a trickster god who likes to stir the shit. His sibling rivalry with Thor has also worked in the Thor movies which, strangely enough, are also the weakest in the MCU.

The best villains the MCU has put out aside from Loki are on Netflix. I'd love to see Kingpin return in a Spider-Man film.
In general, I think DC has better villains and Marvel has better heroes. I don't just mean movies either. Marvel's best villain IMO is Magneto, but Marvel doesn't have his movie rights. Batman is the coolest hero in DC IMO, but even then he frequently gets outshined by his own villains.

nightprowler10

08-11-2016, 01:58 PM

Agreed that, for the most part, MCU villains aren't fleshed out. Weird thing is that Ultron was extremely fleshed out in my opinion, but that quippy nature of the character didn't make him seem like a real threat. Loki's the best they've got honestly because he's the closest to the Joker in terms of execution, since he's mainly a trickster god who likes to stir the shit. His sibling rivalry with Thor has also worked in the Thor movies which, strangely enough, are also the weakest in the MCU.

The best villains the MCU has put out aside from Loki are on Netflix. I'd love to see Kingpin return in a Spider-Man film.
Yeah the contrast in the villains between their movies and shows is crazy. Both Kingpin and Kilgrave were amazing.

Loki definitely is their best and I was very disappointed with Ultron, he had huge potential. I don't think he's dead though and might return in a later film. Zimo wasn't too fleshed out but I really liked him as well. Solid performance with the screentime he was given.

I haven't seen Thor 2 yet. Worth it to see for Loki?

nightprowler10

08-11-2016, 02:03 PM

I think I'm alone in really loving Lex in that film. Yeah, it's a horrible version of the character, but as an isolated thing, he single-handedly made each scene he was in enjoyable for me. And while his motivations in the theatrical cut may have been muddled, the rooftop scene that kicks off the Superman/Batman battle was really well done, and had more tension in it than anything in SS.
I think he was portrayed as too eccentric for me, to the point that some scenes were cringeworthy the first time I watched it. Overall I liked him but there was some overacting IMO.

Completely agreed with the rooftop scene. I actually can't wait to see him develop Lex. I'm thinking he'll play a role in JL movie as he learned a lot from the Kryptonian ship. It would be awesome that the events of BvS slowly turn him into a more true-to-comics Lex.

MintBerryCrunch

08-11-2016, 02:43 PM

Yeah the contrast in the villains between their movies and shows is crazy. Both Kingpin and Kilgrave were amazing.

Loki definitely is their best and I was very disappointed with Ultron, he had huge potential. I don't think he's dead though and might return in a later film. Zimo wasn't too fleshed out but I really liked him as well. Solid performance with the screentime he was given.

I haven't seen Thor 2 yet. Worth it to see for Loki?
I'm still waiting for Red Skull to return.

SpecialQue

08-11-2016, 02:48 PM

In general, I think DC has better villains and Marvel has better heroes. I don't just mean movies either. Marvel's best villain IMO is Magneto, but Marvel doesn't have his movie rights. Batman is the coolest hero in DC IMO, but even then he frequently gets outshined by his own villains.

For me it's a toss up between Magneto and Doom, which makes the it that much more infuriating that we've yet to have a decent version of Doom in a film.

SpecialQue

08-11-2016, 02:52 PM

I think he was portrayed as too eccentric for me, to the point that some scenes were cringeworthy the first time I watched it. Overall I liked him but there was some overacting IMO.

Completely agreed with the rooftop scene. I actually can't wait to see him develop Lex. I'm thinking he'll play a role in JL movie as he learned a lot from the Kryptonian ship. It would be awesome that the events of BvS slowly turn him into a more true-to-comics Lex.

Another thing I liked about BvS is that the events from MoS had direct consequences and were responded to. I'd love to see them do something with Lex where he learned from BvS and becomes more cunning in JL.

Yeah the contrast in the villains between their movies and shows is crazy. Both Kingpin and Kilgrave were amazing.

Loki definitely is their best and I was very disappointed with Ultron, he had huge potential. I don't think he's dead though and might return in a later film. Zimo wasn't too fleshed out but I really liked him as well. Solid performance with the screentime he was given.

I haven't seen Thor 2 yet. Worth it to see for Loki?

Ugh...Thor 2 is the shittiest MCU film, but Loki is literally the only good thing about it. If you're a Loki fan, check it out, but just know that everytime he's not on screen the film turns to shit.

Nilocon165

08-11-2016, 03:02 PM

MintBerryCrunch

08-11-2016, 03:03 PM

Ugh...Thor 2 is the shittiest MCU film, but Loki is literally the only good thing about it. If you're a Loki fan, check it out, but just know that everytime he's not on screen the film turns to shit.
Fully agree.

SpecialQue

08-11-2016, 03:04 PM

What did you guys think about Letos joker despite barely being in the movie? I thought he was fine in some scenes but other moments were just weird like him yelling "Hunka Hunka!" Like wtf?

Some guy actually said he seemed like he was doing a Jim Carey impression and now I can't unsee that.

Seemed like he was doing a 30s-style gangster like James Cagney instead of the Joker. The script here was such a mess that I don't even know what to think of Leto's Joker, since he's barely in the movie. I guess he was alright?

MintBerryCrunch

08-11-2016, 03:05 PM

What did you guys think about Letos joker despite barely being in the movie? I thought he was fine in some scenes but other moments were just weird like him yelling "Hunka Hunka!" Like wtf?

Some guy actually said he seemed like he was doing a Jim Carey impression and now I can't unsee that.
He was fine. He was not better than Jack or Heath, but I don't think he was bad either. Most of his scenes were pointless and disrupted the flow of the movie, but that is not Leto's fault.

SpecialQue

08-11-2016, 03:11 PM

He was fine. He was not better than Jack or Heath, but I don't think he was bad either. Most of his scenes were pointless and disrupted the flow of the movie, but that is not Leto's fault.

According to Leto most of his performance was cut, which makes no fvcking sense. The Joker is easily the most popular supervillain of all time. Why the fvck did they remove his scenes?

Nilocon165

08-11-2016, 03:15 PM

According to Leto most of his performance was cut, which makes no fvcking sense. The Joker is easily the most popular supervillain of all time. Why the fvck did they remove his scenes?
The worst part is they cut his scenes where he actually seemed most like the joker

http://www.geekfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Jared-Leto-Joker-Suicide-Squad-Trailer-MTV.jpg

http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/03/1600x800/landscape-1453284445-screen-shot-2016-01-20-at-094613.jpg

And they also cut a scene where he slapped Harley Quinn because the test audiences didn't like their abusive relationship. Like that's what pretty much what their relationship is you fcking idiots :facepalm

MintBerryCrunch

08-11-2016, 03:30 PM

According to Leto most of his performance was cut, which makes no fvcking sense. The Joker is easily the most popular supervillain of all time. Why the fvck did they remove his scenes?
Margot Robbie believes they were cut because they detracted from the main story: the mission. They already did that with what was left in, so it would have been really random. Now that they are planning a Harley Quinn spin off, they should have saved the Joker completely for the Harley and Batman solo movies.

MintBerryCrunch

08-11-2016, 03:32 PM

And they also cut a scene where he slapped Harley Quinn because the test audiences didn't like their abusive relationship. Like that's what pretty much what their relationship is you fcking idiots :facepalm
Agreed. Apparently some were upset that Batman punched her under water. :facepalm

Nilocon165

08-11-2016, 03:34 PM

Agreed. Apparently some were upset that Batman punched her under water. :facepalm
My entire theater laughed at that part :lol

MintBerryCrunch

08-11-2016, 03:47 PM

My entire theater laughed at that part :lol
Same here. I think Batman should be an equal opportunity puncher.

nightprowler10

08-11-2016, 07:13 PM

Another thing I liked about BvS is that the events from MoS had direct consequences and were responded to. I'd love to see them do something with Lex where he learned from BvS and becomes more cunning in JL.
Despite its flaws, BvS (UC) was really solid until the Knightmare/Apokolypse sequence. It was so jarring and could've been done so much better. I mean, I really like Mad Max Batman and it was shot well, but it just didn't belong there at all, or at least not executed well. From that point on, the movie falters quite a few times.

I honestly got pretty excited when they shave Lex's head in prison, but then his overacting in the "ding ding ding" scene kind of overshadowed that scene. I don't know, maybe I'm being harsh, but his performance could've been a lot better.

nightprowler10

08-11-2016, 07:14 PM

What did you guys think about Letos joker despite barely being in the movie? I thought he was fine in some scenes but other moments were just weird like him yelling "Hunka Hunka!" Like wtf?

Some guy actually said he seemed like he was doing a Jim Carey impression and now I can't unsee that.

I don't get the Jim Carey comparison at all.

I don't think I can fairly judge his Joker tbh. There wasn't even 10 minutes worth in the movie. I need to see those deleted scenes.

rezznor

08-12-2016, 06:38 PM

[QUOTE] Standing by Snyder

Before

Im Still Ballin

08-13-2016, 03:27 AM

Spoiler: Leto Joker isn't the real Joker

It's Robin

jamal99

08-13-2016, 09:04 AM

Spoiler: Leto Joker isn't the real Joker

It's Robin
When they first introduced Harley it said "Accomplice to mured of Robin" among other things.

nightprowler10

08-13-2016, 12:05 PM

Not to mention Joker has a tattoo of a Robin with an arrow through it.

nightprowler10

08-13-2016, 12:08 PM

DC still doesn't get it
Not sure what they're supposed to say. Filming for JL had already begun by the time BvS came out. They gave Affleck a bigger role in having a say in the movie, and put Geoff Johns as the head instead of Snyder.

SpecialQue

08-13-2016, 12:19 PM

DC still doesn't get it

They're doubling down because they've committed to his vision for the franchise. BvS is selling well on DVD, so it's going to take JL being a major, historic flop (which it won't be) for Snyder to finally get the boot.

nightprowler10

08-13-2016, 11:16 PM

They're doubling down because they've committed to his vision for the franchise. BvS is selling well on DVD, so it's going to take JL being a major, historic flop (which it won't be) for Snyder to finally get the boot.
Hasn't he already been unofficially demoted, or am I misunderstanding Geoff Johns' role?

Also, isn't JL supposed to be his last movie as a director anyway?

jamal99

08-14-2016, 12:22 PM

Also, isn't JL supposed to be his last movie as a director anyway?
That would be great, they really need someone else than Snyder who just isn't good enough for the job imo.

Im Still Ballin

08-14-2016, 12:34 PM

Snyder's action scenes are epic though. All they need to do is slow things down a little... They jam packed a shitload of content in their last 2 films... At the detriment of critical quality... But now they've got their universe tree to start branching out... I am excited for Aquaman and WW.. Purely because I know they won't be overloaded with DC universe related "advertisements...

Just slow it down, keep the stories contained, and just produce a good result.. To me, less is always better than more. But not too less (Superman Returns)

Im Still Ballin

08-14-2016, 12:39 PM

I guess when you really think on it

They need more character driven stories.. Too much plot development focus at the expense of fleshing out the characters

MintBerryCrunch

08-15-2016, 08:42 AM

When they first introduced Harley it said "Accomplice to mured of Robin" among other things.
In the comics when Robin comes back, Joker killed him. Just because documents say he was killed, doesn't mean it to be true.

MintBerryCrunch

08-15-2016, 08:43 AM

I guess when you really think on it

They need more character driven stories.. Too much plot development focus at the expense of fleshing out the characters
This movie needed better plot development.

MintBerryCrunch

08-15-2016, 08:44 AM

In the comics when Robin comes back, Joker killed him. Just because documents say he was killed, doesn't mean it to be true.
On second hand, that wouldn't make much sense given the flashback scenes because of chronological order. Dang, I wanted him to be Robin.

Im Still Ballin

08-15-2016, 09:49 AM

This movie needed better plot development.
You think so? I thought a hell of a lot happened, especially in the Ultimate Edition

Well I guess every movie could do with "better plot development"

I was more speaking of there being too much going on... I think a higher quality plot could have been achieved, by refining, cutting out the filler and using more of that screen time to flesh out the characters, develop them so we can better appreciate them as characters and understand their motives

The Ultimate Edition Cut does a better job at this, but there was still so much unnecesary plots, like the forced JL moments, which should have been during the credits, and the whole Doomsday arc. Cut all that out, and perhaps reshape the plot resolution to involve Lex in some other devious way.. Maybe as Batman goes to save Martha, Lex goes and reevaluates, taking Lois hostage, along with the spear.... Lex kills Superman with the Spear.. Play out the whole "I killed God" moment, Batman returns, captures Lex, and wallah... Kind of makes WW redundant.. She could easily be cut from the film... This would work well if they really played up the Lois hostage moment...

Well that's my thoughts anyways... Just too much going on in one movie... There was quality there, but it was hidden from a pile of irrelevant storylines and theatrical cuts.

MintBerryCrunch

08-15-2016, 10:14 AM

You think so? I thought a hell of a lot happened, especially in the Ultimate Edition

Well I guess every movie could do with "better plot development"

I was more speaking of there being too much going on... I think a higher quality plot could have been achieved, by refining, cutting out the filler and using more of that screen time to flesh out the characters, develop them so we can better appreciate them as characters and understand their motives

The Ultimate Edition Cut does a better job at this, but there was still so much unnecesary plots, like the forced JL moments, which should have been during the credits, and the whole Doomsday arc. Cut all that out, and perhaps reshape the plot resolution to involve Lex in some other devious way.. Maybe as Batman goes to save Martha, Lex goes and reevaluates, taking Lois hostage, along with the spear.... Lex kills Superman with the Spear.. Play out the whole "I killed God" moment, Batman returns, captures Lex, and wallah... Kind of makes WW redundant.. She could easily be cut from the film... This would work well if they really played up the Lois hostage moment...

Well that's my thoughts anyways... Just too much going on in one movie... There was quality there, but it was hidden from a pile of irrelevant storylines and theatrical cuts.
Sorry, I thought we were still discussing Suicide Squad. BvS had plenty of plot (stupid, but didn't need more), while I agree they needed to flesh out characters more in that movie.

Facepalm

08-15-2016, 12:23 PM

[QUOTE]Even though Suicide Squad set a few box office records in its opening days, it dropped significantly over the weekend. In fact, it dropped almost as far as Batman v. Superman, the movie it was supposed to make up for.

You might recall that Suicide Squad set the wonderfully specific

Bobcats2013

08-15-2016, 01:02 PM

More bad news for DC

thgey deserve it for disrespkin jokers name and not recongizing him as one of their biggest draws. they rly thought nikkas was gonna tell other nikkas they GOT TO GO see this movie for 10 mins of joker and 3 mins of batman? this movie got no word of mouth

these dumass nikkas were banking on harley quinn and 50 yr old will smith to break 800mill with cara delidevine as the main villain. stupid ass nikkas.

good news is they have no choice but to relase the ultimate edition :rockon: we get to see how leto joker rly was.