Curry is the only scorer today I respect

[3ball]

Defensive contests hurt the efficiency of 3-pointers more than mid-range or paint shots, which is why teams generally try to get open 3-point looks, while settling for better contests on 2-pointers.

Said another way, mid-range and paint shots face superior defensive contests than 3-pointers.

This is why a 25 PPG scorer who gets a material portion from 3-pointers (say, 4-12 PPG) is worse at scoring ON defenders than a guy who scores all 25 PPG on better-contested 2-pointers.

The better-contested 2-point scoring of SG's and SF's in previous eras is why they compare so favorably (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374797&page=6) to today's wings.. Guys like Dumars, Ron Harper, or Dantley were better at scoring ON defenders than today's 3-and-D wings like a Klay Thompson, who gets half his offense from 3-pointers.

For me, if you can't get 25 PPG on all 2-pointers, than you aren't a great scorer.. period.. So for the last 15 years, that's only like a prime Carmelo, Kobe, maybe a couple other guys.. but actually, that might be it.

Curry is the only scorer I respect in today's game.. He's ahead of his time with his ability to make CONTESTED 3-pointers like it's mid-range.. That's why he's the best offensive player in today's game, and that's why he'll win his first MVP this season.
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[BigNBAfan]

no one gives a fck who you respect

[theaussieguy]

no one gives a fck who you respect

3ball actually knows his sh1t, he is only deep in the red because of his constant jordan threads but otherwise he is one of the best posters on the forum

[Ca$H]

Defensive contests hurt the efficiency of 3-pointers more than mid-range or paint shots, which is why teams generally try to get open 3-point looks, while settling for better contests on 2-pointers.

Said another way, mid-range and paint shots face superior defensive contests than 3-pointers.

This is why a 25 PPG scorer who gets a material portion from 3-pointers (say, 4-12 PPG) is worse at scoring ON defenders than a guy who scores all 25 PPG on better-contested 2-pointers.

The better-contested 2-point scoring of SG's and SF's in previous eras is why they compare so favorably (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374797&page=6) to today's wings.. Guys like Dumars, Ron Harper, or Dantley were better at scoring ON defenders than today's 3-and-D wings like a Klay Thompson, who gets half his offense from 3-pointers.

For me, if you can't get 25 PPG on all 2-pointers, than you aren't a great scorer.. period.. So for the last 15 years, that's only like a prime Carmelo, Kobe, maybe a couple other guys.. but actually, that might be it.

Curry is the only scorer I respect in today's game.. He's ahead of his time with his ability to make CONTESTED 3-pointers like it's mid-range.. That's why he's the best offensive player in today's game, and that's why he'll win his first MVP this season.
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Agreed. Clowns like Bran and Harden deserve no respect.

[BlakFrankWhite]

KD

2012-13 28 ppg on 51/40/91
2013/14 32 ppg on 50/39/88

:bowdown:

[SugarHill]

Defensive contests hurt the efficiency of 3-pointers more than mid-range or paint shots, which is why teams generally try to get open 3-point looks, while settling for better contests on 2-pointers.

Said another way, mid-range and paint shots face superior defensive contests than 3-pointers.

This is why a 25 PPG scorer who gets a material portion from 3-pointers (say, 4-12 PPG) is worse at scoring ON defenders than a guy who scores all 25 PPG on better-contested 2-pointers.

The better-contested 2-point scoring of SG's and SF's in previous eras is why they compare so favorably (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374797&page=6) to today's wings.. Guys like Dumars, Ron Harper, or Dantley were better at scoring ON defenders than today's 3-and-D wings like a Klay Thompson, who gets half his offense from 3-pointers.

For me, if you can't get 25 PPG on all 2-pointers, than you aren't a great scorer.. period.. So for the last 15 years, that's only like a prime Carmelo, Kobe, maybe a couple other guys.. but actually, that might be it.

Curry is the only scorer I respect in today's game.. He's ahead of his time with his ability to make CONTESTED 3-pointers like it's mid-range.. That's why he's the best offensive player in today's game, and that's why he'll win his first MVP this season.
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What seasons did Melo and Kobe score 25 PPG off 2-pointers alone?

Also, how is Curry better than Durant on offense? Is Durant out of the picture or are you including healthy Durant?

[warriorfan]

Defensive contests hurt the efficiency of 3-pointers more than mid-range or paint shots, which is why teams generally try to get open 3-point looks, while settling for better contests on 2-pointers.

Said another way, mid-range and paint shots face superior defensive contests than 3-pointers.

This is why a 25 PPG scorer who gets a material portion from 3-pointers (say, 4-12 PPG) is worse at scoring ON defenders than a guy who scores all 25 PPG on better-contested 2-pointers.

The better-contested 2-point scoring of SG's and SF's in previous eras is why they compare so favorably (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374797&page=6) to today's wings.. Guys like Dumars, Ron Harper, or Dantley were better at scoring ON defenders than today's 3-and-D wings like a Klay Thompson, who gets half his offense from 3-pointers.

For me, if you can't get 25 PPG on all 2-pointers, than you aren't a great scorer.. period.. So for the last 15 years, that's only like a prime Carmelo, Kobe, maybe a couple other guys.. but actually, that might be it.

Curry is the only scorer I respect in today's game.. He's ahead of his time with his ability to make CONTESTED 3-pointers like it's mid-range.. That's why he's the best offensive player in today's game, and that's why he'll win his first MVP this season.
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3ball dropping truth as usual. :applause:

[LeBird]

This moron has actually tried to devise an argument to say it is better to just stick to 2 pointers, rather than mixing it up and being good at scoring both 2 and 3 pointers.

This is obviously to preempt discussions where Jordan's crap 3-point shooting would be held against him.

[Kvnzhangyay]

This moron has actually tried to devise an argument to say it is better to just stick to 2 pointers, rather than mixing it up and being good at scoring both 2 and 3 pointers.

This is obviously to preempt discussions where Jordan's crap 3-point shooting would be held against him.

This lol

[lilteapot]

Nobody cares about your respect, you insect. You know nothing about basketball.

[red1]

Durant and lebron are better scorers than all of the players you mentioned except for kobe who is similar. Do you really think that curry is a better scorer than any of these guys?

[ShawkFactory]

Can you explain rule 2b for me again? I've only seen you mention it once or so and I'm still confused as to how it can be applied in the determination that this era is weaker than the one Jordan played in.

[3ball]

This moron has actually tried to devise an argument to say it is better to just stick to 2 pointers, rather than mixing it up and being good at scoring both 2 and 3 pointers.


:biggums:

The argument isn't that it's better to stick to 2-pointers, just that the players who actually did (previous eras), were much better AT THEM, and therefore better at contested shots in general, since 2PA face superior defensive contests than 3PA.

Obviously, there were plenty of guys in previous eras who were good to great at both - Bird, Kiki Vandeweghe (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360034), Richmond, Mullin, Schrempf, Glen Rice, Glenn Robinson, Jamaal Mashburn, Sean Elliot.

The superior 2-point ability of previous era SG's and frontcourt players is why they compare so favorably (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374797&page=6) to today's wings.

[VengefulAngel]

This actually makes me respect Curry's game less, thanks 3ball.....

[3ball]

What seasons did Melo and Kobe score 25 PPG off 2-pointers alone?

Also, how is Curry better than Durant on offense? Is Durant out of the picture or are you including healthy Durant?


If you removed the 3-point line, Kobe and Melo COULD average 25 PPG.

But maybe not for guys like Harden and Lebron, who rely on the 3-pointers and the resulting spacing for their 3-and-D game..

As for Curry maybe not him either, since he relies on 3-pointers so much and might not hold up as well with the higher physicality of no-threes/no-spacing.

Durant would still average 25+ PPG though, and his game should be respected with Curry's.. But Durant underachieves imo - other than at the rim when he has momentum, Durant actually isn't that good at contested 2-pointers such as pull-ups or turnarounds.. Whereas Curry has the advantage over EVERYONE at contested shots behind the 3-point line.
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[3ball]

This actually makes me respect Curry's game less, thanks 3ball.....


:biggums:

The thread gives props to Curry's ability by pointing out that contested 3-pointers are not the norm.

In this way (Curry's contested threes), he's like previous era players who were ALSO better at contested shots because they only shot better-contested paint and mid-range 2-pointers.. I guess it's a weird connection.

The superior 2-point ability of previous era SG's and frontcourt players, and thus their superior ability to hit contested shots ON defenders, is why they compare so favorably (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374797&page=6) to today's wings.

Obviously, there were plenty of guys in previous eras who were good to great at both two's and threes - Bird, Kiki Vandeweghe (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360034), Richmond, Mullin, Schrempf, Glen Rice, Glenn Robinson, Jamaal Mashburn, Sean Elliot, Allan Houston and more.

[BigNBAfan]

:biggums:

The thread gives props to Curry's ability by pointing out that contested 3-pointers are not the norm.

In this way (Curry's contested threes), he's like previous era players who were ALSO better at contested shots because they only shot better-contested paint and mid-range 2-pointers.. I guess it's a weird connection.

The superior 2-point ability of previous era SG's and frontcourt players, and thus their superior ability to hit contested shots ON defenders, is why they compare so favorably (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374797&page=6) to today's wings.

Obviously, there were plenty of guys in previous eras who were good to great at both two's and threes - Bird, Kiki Vandeweghe (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360034), Richmond, Mullin, Schrempf, Glen Rice, Glenn Robinson, Jamaal Mashburn, Sean Elliot, Allan Houston and more.

but you're a mouth breather

[pauk]

Ofcourse... there is nothing for you to be insecure about with him...

[3ball]

This is obviously to preempt discussions where Jordan's crap 3-point shooting would be held against him.


Someone else brought up MJ, and it happened to be relevant that MJ's career scoring average in the Finals was 36 PPG > Lebron's 24 PPG.. It literally takes 1.5 Finals games from Lebron to equal 1 from MJ.

MJ's 50% higher scoring in the Finals happens to be relevant because despite his 3.3 longball attempts per game for his career in the Finals (at 37%), that's a ton more 2-point scoring, and therefore a ton more contested shots.

The superior 2-point ability of previous era SG's and frontcourt players, and thus their superior ability to hit contested shots ON defenders, is why they compare so favorably (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374797&page=6) to today's wings.
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[BigNBAfan]

MJ shot 36.8% in 35 Finals games, on 3.3 attempts per game (42/114)..

That's far better than Lebron's 31.1% on 4.9 attemtps (42/135).. Keep in mind that MJ's scoring average in the Finals was 36 PPG to Lebron's 24 PPG, so that's A LOT more 2-point scoring, and therefore contested shots.

MJ had perfect form and the capacity to shoot 3-pointers at an elite level if that was the optimal way to exploit a defense and/or his team needed it - the vastly superior Finals stats prove that.

Btw, everyone knows MJ's rim attack both off-ball and as the ballhandler was so devastating (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11188520&postcount=37), that it made no sense for him to hang out behind the 3-point line - MJ says so himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU&t=0m11s

aaaand here it goes, agena shown. this is why this fakkit is wack

[BigNBAfan]

I didn't bring up MJ, someone else did.. I was just correcting them..

No agenda.. This threads about Curry.. :lol

are you not further derailing this thread by responding to his 15 word reply with a paragraph and multiple videos? his 2 second reply resulted in your 5min one...

[Ca$H]

Ofcourse... there is nothing for you to be insecure about with him...

This includes Bran as well.

[3ball]

This is obviously to preempt discussions where Jordan's crap 3-point shooting would be held against him.


MJ shot 36.8% in 35 Finals games, on 3.3 attempts per game (42/114)..

That's far better than Lebron's 31.1% on 4.9 attemtps (42/135).. Keep in mind that MJ's scoring average in the Finals was 36 PPG to Lebron's 24 PPG, so that's A LOT more 2-point scoring, and therefore a lot more contested shots.. Lebron has needed 1.5 Finals games to match 1 Finals game of MJ's scoring.

MJ had perfect form and the capacity to shoot 3-pointers at an elite level if that was the optimal way to exploit a defense and/or his team needed it - the vastly superior Finals stats prove that.

Btw, everyone knows MJ's rim attack both off-ball and as the ballhandler was so devastating (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11188520&postcount=37), that it made no sense for him to hang out behind the 3-point line - MJ says so himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2CyJdCq-zU&t=0m11s

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[BigNBAfan]

more agenda :rolleyes:

when i see more numbers than words i dont even bother reading your shit

[3ball]

aaaand here it goes, agena shown. this is why this fakkit is wack


I didn't bring up MJ, someone else did.. I was just correcting them..

No agenda.. This thread is about Curry.

[Fudge]

Kevin Durant.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

MJ shot 36.8% in 35 Finals games, on 3.3 attempts per game (42/114)..

How many of those came from the shortened 3 point line?

[3ball]

MJ shot 36.8% in 35 Finals games, on 3.3 attempts per game (42/114).

How many of those came from the shortened 3 point line?




Playoff 3-Point % EXCLUDING 1995-1997 Shortened Line Seasons:

Jordan: 34.5% > Lebron: 33.3%.. :confusedshrug:

Source: basketball-reference.com



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[Nuff Said]

my b

[SugarHill]

If you removed the 3-point line, Kobe and Melo COULD average 25 PPG.

But maybe not for guys like Harden and Lebron, who rely on the 3-pointers and the resulting spacing for their 3-and-D game..

As for Curry maybe not him either, since he relies on 3-pointers so much and might not hold up as well with the higher physicality of no-threes/no-spacing.

Durant would still average 25+ PPG though, and his game should be respected with Curry's.. But Durant underachieves imo - other than at the rim when he has momentum, Durant actually isn't that good at contested 2-pointers such as pull-ups or turnarounds.. Whereas Curry has the advantage over EVERYONE at contested shots behind the 3-point line.
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LeBron and Melo both get the same amount of points off 3s for their career yet LeBron has scored more than Melo. What are you basing any of this on? It's also irrelevant because it's a hypothetical. You're also delusional if you think LeBron wouldn't easily average 25+ without the 3.

[PsychoBe]

LeBron and Melo both get the same amount of points off 3s for their career yet LeBron has scored more than Melo. What are you basing any of this on? It's also irrelevant because it's a hypothetical. You're also delusional if you think LeBron wouldn't easily average 25+ without the 3.

he's going over your head.

he's saying that bran can't shoot the long contested 2, he relies on the 3-point line spacing in order to slash to the basket. meanwhile melo, curry, kd, and others are elite scorers and shooters who can make the defense pay whether it's a 3, or a contested 17 footer.

bran gets most of his points in the paint and he relies heavily on 3-pt spacing. that's just a fact.

[warriorfan]

http://www.ostrichheadinsand.com/images/ostrich-head-in-sand.jpg

[3ball]

You're also delusional if you think LeBron wouldn't easily average 25+ without the 3.


Kobe and Melo have the skills to get 25 PPG on all twos, specifically because they have elite post and mid-range games - in no-spacing environments, post and mid-range is what is needed to be a great 2-point scorer.

But with Lebron, his post and mid-range game are the weakest parts of his game.. Yet that's what he would need to be a big scorer in no spacing - a list (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374797&page=6) of each era's wings side by side shows that almost every wing from previous eras had great post and mid-range.. And historically, the greatest scorers in history all had great post and/or mid-range.

Lebron has never scored much via post or mid-range - instead, he scores mainly off dribble penetration, screen-roll style, which needs spacing to be optimally effective.. Otoh, post and mid-range is the solution to NOT having spacing.. It's pretty clear to see which one requires more ability - even Austin Rivers (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374490) can dominate via dribble penetration in today's spacing.
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