Idea: How to get rid of Hack-a-Shaq in NBA

[insidehoops]

Idea: How to get rid of Hack-a-Shaq in NBA

If contact is committed against any player, with or without the basketball, and it's determined by a game official to be unnecessary, the penalty is: one free throw and possession of the ball to the offended team. Furthermore, if the intentional foul is determined to be physically dangerous, the penalty becomes two free throws plus possession. Good riddance to ugly, cynical and boring basketball strategy. RIP, Hack-a-Shaq.

-- Denver Post

[justin43]

Idea: How to get rid of Hack-a-Shaq in NBA

If contact is committed against any player, with or without the basketball, and it's determined by a game official to be unnecessary, the penalty is: one free throw and possession of the ball to the offended team. Furthermore, if the intentional foul is determined to be physically dangerous, the penalty becomes two free throws plus possession. Good riddance to ugly, cynical and boring basketball strategy. RIP, Hack-a-Shaq.

-- Denver Post

Change "unnecessary" to "intentional" and allow any player to take the free throw like in a technical foul and then it will work.

[StephHamann]

Idea: How to get rid of Hack-a-Shaq in NBA

Learn to shoot free throws

-- Rent Free Mail

[Bernkastel]

Idea: How to get rid of Hack-a-Shaq in NBA

Learn to shoot free throws

-- Rent Free Mail
:applause:

[Pushxx]

I don't want game officials to determine anything. They have proven stupid enough over the decades.

[Derka]

I have zero interest in letting the refs determine anything more than they already do. Too many of them already think they should be the center of attention out there as it is and practically all of them can barely be trusted to make the right call most of the time.

Its cool that we're all rapping about it just in the context of discussing ideas, but I maintain that professional basketball players should be able to make the easiest shot in the game with a consistency that renders the strategy ineffective.

[ISHGoat]

How do we distinguish a hack a shaq move and the much more acceptable intentional foiling when trailing at the end of games, or are we going to remove that too? What does college/fiba do? I have no idea the actual rule, but I'm almost positive ncaa does not have hack a shaq because some of those kids shoot like 30%. Can't NBA implement something similar?

[KembaWalker]

Idea: How to get rid of Hack-a-Shaq in NBA

Learn to shoot free throws

-- Rent Free Mail

This

Hack-a-whoever doesn't effect me much, right now it's part of the game tactics

Simply learn to shoot free-throws and you won't get fouled intentionally

[sbw19]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10589244&postcount=12

Scenario where I'd like to see ft + possession implemented. About hacking, if you shoot way below 50% from FT might as well use backboard and try to bank the FT. No reason not to be able to hit 1/2 if you're a pro, really, which's usually good-enough to stop hacking.

[Maga_1]

Just use the FIBA ****ing rule, what a bunch of dumbasses in the NBA headquarters.

[ZenMaster]

How do we distinguish a hack a shaq move and the much more acceptable intentional foiling when trailing at the end of games, or are we going to remove that too? What does college/fiba do? I have no idea the actual rule, but I'm almost positive ncaa does not have hack a shaq because some of those kids shoot like 30%. Can't NBA implement something similar?

The sequence of fouling someone on purpose away from the ball is deemed an unsportsman like foul as it is not a basketball play, 2 shots and ball on the side IIRC. Like Maga mentions, it's a very easy fix and it works just fine in all the worlds basketball leagues except for the NBA.

[Optimus Prime]

Idea: Get in the gym and work on your free throws and stop whining for the league to bail out your poor play.

:kobe:

[Myth]

I don't want game officials to determine anything. They have proven stupid enough over the decades.

This. Coaches will just tell their players to play "physically" until a foul is called. It will likely increase the chances of a fight too.

[ZenMaster]

This. Coaches will just tell their players to play "physically" until a foul is called. It will likely increase the chances of a fight too.

Not true. If you want to foul a player away from the ball but not to make it a deliberate foul then you will have to time it to the flow of the game and where the ball is going. This would take up too much of the shot clock and you would still be risking the refs calling you for the unsportsman like foul.

As for increasing chances of fighting, good! A non basketball play like fouling someone on purpose away from the ball should warrant a slap or two.

[sd3035]

Shaq is retired

[salwan]

Idea: How to get rid of Hack-a-Shaq in NBA

Learn to shoot free throws

-- Rent Free Mail
:applause:

[Ariza4three]

The sequence of fouling someone on purpose away from the ball is deemed an unsportsman like foul as it is not a basketball play, 2 shots and ball on the side IIRC. Like Maga mentions, it's a very easy fix and it works just fine in all the worlds basketball leagues except for the NBA.
It's not unsportsmanlike when you are taking advantage of a player's weaknesses during the game. The goal of basketball is to win the games. And this strategy may help you win the game. Plus, this basically gives the team shooting FTs a chance to get FREE points. If a person is a terrible defender, the opposing team will exploit that and continue attacking when that said defender is guarding their best slasher/shooter. Same thing with FTs.

Part of the game is to shoot free throws. These are paid professionals getting paid millions of dollars. They either need to keep practicing or devise another method of improving FT% whether it's underhand maneuver ala Rick Barry or like someone else said, banking it.

[Nets fan 93]

They're NBA players. It's their job to play this sport. They should know how to make free throws

[Levity]

just make the hoop as big as a trashcan. duh.

[Eric Cartman]

What is the Clippers record when they hack Jordan?

[ZenMaster]

It's not unsportsmanlike when you are taking advantage of a player's weaknesses during the game. The goal of basketball is to win the games. And this strategy may help you win the game. Plus, this basically gives the team shooting FTs a chance to get FREE points. If a person is a terrible defender, the opposing team will exploit that and continue attacking when that said defender is guarding their best slasher/shooter. Same thing with FTs.

Part of the game is to shoot free throws. These are paid professionals getting paid millions of dollars. They either need to keep practicing or devise another method of improving FT% whether it's underhand maneuver ala Rick Barry or like someone else said, banking it.

I disagree, to me it is very much unsportsmanlike to commit a foul on purpose away from the ball, it's not a real basketball play as the game is supposed to be one team trying to score and the other team trying to stop them on defense.
The game was always meant to have free throws as a punishment when committing a foul on a player in the act of shooting, or after a team has committed too many fouls as a team, hence the negative word "foul". It was never meant as the strategy it is used now because the way defense is played, PPP calculated etc.
Like another poster mentioned, a golden rule of sports is that there should be a punishment committing acts outside the rule book of a given sport, when that is not the case anymore you need to change the rules.

[Nanners]

Idea: How to get rid of Hack-a-Shaq in NBA

Learn to shoot free throws

-- Rent Free Mail

This. The NBA should not be protecting bad free throw shooters.

[Eric Cartman]

there should be a punishment committing acts outside the rule book of a given sport

Dude, you are given them FREE POINTS, from 15 feet away, there is no one in front of you when shooting a free throw, it literally has the word "free" in there, hell there are players that go out of their way to get to the free throw line (Harden and Durant) cause it's such an effective and easy way to get points .

[Ariza4three]

I disagree, to me it is very much unsportsmanlike to commit a foul on purpose away from the ball, it's not a real basketball play as the game is supposed to be one team trying to score and the other team trying to stop them on defense.
The game was always meant to have free throws as a punishment when committing a foul on a player in the act of shooting, or after a team has committed too many fouls as a team, hence the negative word "foul". It was never meant as the strategy it is used now because the way defense is played, PPP calculated etc.
Like another poster mentioned, a golden rule of sports is that there should be a punishment committing acts outside the rule book of a given sport, when that is not the case anymore you need to change the rules.
But isn't giving the opposing team a CHANCE to get free points, punishment, which is what intentional fouling would do? I mean it's a low probability, but at least it limits any grey areas (subjectivity of intentional fouling)

All players have different FT% (of course). That still doesn't make giving the team chance for free points as punishment any different whether it's a 90% FT shooter, 75% FT shooter, 66% FT shooter, or a 38% FT shooter. Ball goes in or goes out. Shit happens.

[Eric Cartman]

We wouldn't be talking about this bullsh*t if these guys shot free throws underhanded. That way, the worse you can shoot is 75-80%. For confirmation, try it at your local basketball court.

[ZenMaster]

We wouldn't be talking about this bullsh*t if these guys shot free throws underhanded. That way, the worse you can shoot is 75-80%. For confirmation, try it at your local basketball court.


I see your arguments but they are circumstantial(not sure if correct word). Teams have calculated that it is to their own advantage committing fouls on purpose against certain players at certain times.

Like with the Clippers:

If you are behind and want to have as much time left in the game as possible you can foul D. Jordan on purpose because of the following factors:

1) You don't allow the Clippers to play offense for more than a few seconds = more possessions.

2) Jordans point per free throw is not higher or the amount higher it is than the Clippers overall PPP on offense is washed out by the fact that they can only play offense for a few secounds at a time.


If it was ok and within the rules to foul someone on purpose because he cannot make FTs, then why even have a 6 max foul limit on individual players? Why not just have complete games of players shooting free throws instead?

[Eric Cartman]

Why not just have complete games of players shooting free throws instead?

We already have those:

Thunder vs Rockets

[Mass Debator]

Allow the player to take 3 free throws :banana:

[Rooster]

Let the player who is intentionally fouled without the ball to shoot a technical free throw and his team to keep the possession.

[HomieWeMajor]

Idea: How to get rid of Hack-a-Shaq in NBA

Learn to shoot free throws

-- Rent Free Mail
Real spit.
Ni99as need to spend more time working on their free throws than linking up with chicks off instagram. Yes we know the lord blessed you down below but that ain't what's bringing home your bacon.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I feel bad rewarding poor ft-shooters

[zizozain]

I feel bad rewarding poor ft-shooters
you feel good rewarding players with unsportsmanlike fouls?

[Mr. Jabbar]

you feel good rewarding players with unsportsmanlike fouls?

there must be some middle ground

[TheReal Kendall]

I see your arguments but they are circumstantial(not sure if correct word). Teams have calculated that it is to their own advantage committing fouls on purpose against certain players at certain times.

Like with the Clippers:

If you are behind and want to have as much time left in the game as possible you can foul D. Jordan on purpose because of the following factors:

1) You don't allow the Clippers to play offense for more than a few seconds = more possessions.

2) Jordans point per free throw is not higher or the amount higher it is than the Clippers overall PPP on offense is washed out by the fact that they can only play offense for a few secounds at a time.


If it was ok and within the rules to foul someone on purpose because he cannot make FTs, then why even have a 6 max foul limit on individual players? Why not just have complete games of players shooting free throws instead?

I feel like this is on the coach. He should have DJ shooting fts all day long at every practice.

This is the NBA these guys should be able to hit 1 out of 2 at the line.

Wouldn't you say that this is a good strategy when playing the Clips? The goal is to win and using your opponents weakness to your advantage is a past of the game.

If they change the rule they are rewarding players for not being able to shoot.

Might as well lower the goal for players like IT.

[ZenMaster]

I feel like this is on the coach. He should have DJ shooting fts all day long at every practice.

This is the NBA these guys should be able to hit 1 out of 2 at the line.

Wouldn't you say that this is a good strategy when playing the Clips? The goal is to win and using your opponents weakness to your advantage is a past of the game.

If they change the rule they are rewarding players for not being able to shoot.

Might as well lower the goal for players like IT.


I'm a coach myself and I will be the first to stress good shooting mechanics.

But in the game of basketball a foul is supposed to be something you commit when you make a mistake. For me there is absolutely no debating this argument. So over time there has gone strategy in fouling on purpose at the end of games in order to extend it, I don't like that either but at least you can actually go after the ball and try to steal it very aggresively and thus commit a foul in the process.
You can foul a bad FT shooter on purpose if he's trying to gain position in the post or if he's setting a screen, but this hugging him right after HC is stupid and that is why you are not allowed to do it in every basketball league in the world except the NBA and it's minor league as well I suppose.

I agree that under the current rules fouling DJ on purpose is an excellent strategy.

DJ and players alike will still have to go to the FT line as long as they get fouled in the flow of the game, I don't feel like you are rewarding anyone doing this in the sense that you are talking about. Player simply can't do things equally, would the game be better if we asked all players to perform every technical part of the game an equal ammount of times? If some players are better at shooting FTs and other are better at posting up we could tell the better FTshooters that they HAVE to post up as well? How about forcing big men to dribble the ball up the floor up as well a certain amount of times? Why not? Because there is no main statistical category for these type of actions? Most players has one or more weaknesses they are able to hide in basketball as it's currently played.

If it's a good rule then why not argue that you should be able to do it in the last 2 minutes of NBA games? Why should you only be able to exploit someones FT weakness for 46 and not 48 minutes?

My theory is that the main reason you and others argue not to change it is because it's all you've ever seen.

[kshutts1]

I love that Jeff started this thread when we had literally two other threads devoted to this discussion already. On page 2 at the time.