hackascrub doesnt even work.. 50%ft shooting = 50% fgs

[kennethgriffin]

... which is good enough to win/sustain a lead


1 out of 2 from a shaq/deandre/howard/wilt each time up the is the same as making a field goal 1 out of every 2 times up the floor



Who thought of this dumb strategy

[navy]

True, but it has other factors such as taking the crowd out the game or disrupting an opponents offense. If the big misses enough they usually come out the game as well.

[Random_Guy]

... which is good enough to win/sustain a lead


1 out of 2 from a shaq/deandre/howard/wilt each time up the is the same as making a field goal 1 out of every 2 times up the floor



Who thought of this dumb strategy
its not only about points lol. its about
1. messing up the opponents defence
2. not letting them run the shot clock out
3. in pressure bad shooters can miss both
4. even if they make both usually hack a shaq is used when team needs to catch back when they are behind, so they want to shoot a fast three. you dont win if you dont make the three anyway, so its gambling on a off chance that you will make a three

[kennethgriffin]

If anything youre giving that scrub free throw shooter more confidence and rhythm by sending him there every time


Like how shaq used to shoot free throws better when they did hackashaq

Its cause he was going there every time up the floor. Easier for a dumb gorilla to remember what to do when its consistent

[Random_Guy]

If anything youre giving that scrub free throw shooter more confidence and rhythm by sending him there every time


Like how shaq used to shoot free throws better when they did hackashaq

Its cause he was going there every time up the floor. Easier for a dumb gorilla to remember what to do when its consistent
made me chuckly for some reason, repped

[Theoo]

but 1 ft are only 1 point and 1 fg are 2 point so it are more like 25% fg

[kennethgriffin]

but 1 ft are only 1 point and 1 fg are 2 point so it are more like 25% fg


No

Hackasnack means 2 guaranteed shots to get 2 points each time up the floor. 50% fts equals 1 point every time up the floor


1 point each time up the floor equals 2 points every 2 times up the floor. Which is 50% fgs

[Mrofir]

Strategy is viable for reasons mentioned above, however:

From a purely numbers based standpoint you have to factor in that the chance of an offensive rebound is severely limited on free throw attempts, especially by a big man.

50% with reduced or literally zero (if they make the 2nd) chance of offensive rebound is less valuable than 50% with a typical chance at an offensive rebound. I'm sure number crunchers for teams have quantified exactly what the difference is.


On a completely different side -- for older teams it is a chance to rest. They are playing 0 defense for a few possessions while the other team has to defend.

There is no excuse for a professional shooting 50% from the free throw line, period.

[JerrySeinfeld]

but 1 ft are only 1 point and 1 fg are 2 point so it are more like 25% fg

This.

[jimmybball]

Yeah, but you eliminate all the 3s counted in that 50% fgs.

[Theoo]

No

Hackasnack means 2 guaranteed shots to get 2 points each time up the floor. 50% fts equals 1 point every time up the floor


1 point each time up the floor equals 2 points every 2 times up the floor. Which is 50% fgs
idk doesnt make sense to my that your saying 50% chance to make 1 point are the same as 50% chance to make 2 point , you have 50%^2 = 25% chance to make 2 points if your 50% free throw shoting and if your 50% field goal shoting you have 50% chance to make 2 point.. makes sense to me you have better odds with field goal shoting but im not that good to math

[Crimsonrain777]

idk doesnt make sense to my that your saying 50% chance to make 1 point are the same as 50% chance to make 2 point , you have 50%^2 = 25% chance to make 2 points if your 50% free throw shoting and if your 50% field goal shoting you have 50% chance to make 2 point.. makes sense to me you have better odds with field goal shoting but im not that good to math
:applause: :applause:



also, why are we speaking in this theoretical world where these hackachump candidates shoot 50% freethrow. the players that get hackachumped shoot well below that.

[nba_55]

No

Hackasnack means 2 guaranteed shots to get 2 points each time up the floor. 50% fts equals 1 point every time up the floor


1 point each time up the floor equals 2 points every 2 times up the floor. Which is 50% fgs

What about 3s? And free throws? The FG might be 50%, but the TS% is probably much higher.

[kennethgriffin]

Yeah, but you eliminate all the 3s counted in that 50% fgs.

the average three point % for a team each game is in the mid to low 30% region

which is yet again... a 50% output in terms of 2pt fg% or 50% ft's

[RoundMoundOfReb]

OP is right: 50% FT = 50% FG, however both = 50% TS which is not good. TS is the true measure of efficiency.(i know technically 1 out of 2 FTs by the current TS formula is more than that)

[buddha]

against a team like the rockets who play horrible defense you can catch up if they are only hitting 50% of their shots. but you hope for a 30-50% range of hitting free throws.

[cranincu]

imagine not understanding points per possession

[chips93]

the average three point % for a team each game is in the mid to low 30% region

which is yet again... a 50% output in terms of 2pt fg% or 50% ft's

the average team shoots 35% from 3.

the clippers have the best offense in the league, scoring 112 points per 100 possessions, so they effectively shoot 56% from the field, which is much better than hacking a guy and him shooting 50% from the line.

[VengefulAngel]

Its 50 TS%, which is awful. Half of you are retarded.

[ralph_i_el]

No, it's 50% TS.....only a Kobe fan would think that's efficient.

[Nick Young]

If they miss 3 or 4 in a row it can kill their confidence. I've seen it happen to Howard before where he misses loads of FTs and then he visibly gets depressed and the rest of his game gets worse too.

[kells333]

Its 50 TS%, which is awful. Half of you are retarded.

Op only specified fg% which is correct it does equal 50fg% the others that said it equals 25% failed 8th grade math

[ISHGoat]

50% ft shooting = 25% fg

no wonder its a kobe stan that thinks this is efficient offense

[EwingMan]

it reduces variance you ****ing twit.

[ILLsmak]

If they miss 3 or 4 in a row it can kill their confidence. I've seen it happen to Howard before where he misses loads of FTs and then he visibly gets depressed and the rest of his game gets worse too.

It's about pitting a player against his team. Pressuring someone to do something they are uncomfortable doing while they wonder if their team is like damn bro. Then a coach takes them out too, it's over.

Dude's are like damn coach doesn't believe in me either. It kind of plays on insecurities as you said.

Which is why imo its unsportsmanlike.

-Smak

[Droid101]

Hollinger did the math once. It does depend on your team's average offensive efficiency, but the "hacked" player needs to shoot something like 40% or worse on his free throws to make the strategy actually result in fewer points scored.

[Droid101]

I found it. That season, the shooter needs to shoot 48.5% or worse on FT to make the strategy work.

[quote=Hollinger]Here's the thing about Hack-a-Dwight, or Hack-an-anybody: The player has to be an exceptionally bad foul shooter for this strategy to have much merit. Emphasis on exceptionally. It works with Ben Wallace or DeAndre Jordan. With just about anyone else, it's highly questionable.

Take Thursday night, for instance. Dwight Howard is a career 59.5 percent foul shooter and has done slightly better than that each of the past three seasons. But let's take 59.5 percent as his chances of converting any given free throw. Sending him to the line for two shots produces an expected return of 1.19 points from the foul shots, a scoring rate better than that of any offensive team in the history of basketball. Just sending him to the line time after time is one of the worst percentage moves a team could possibly make.

It gets worse, though. Howard will miss 40.5 percent of those foul shots, and 20.25 percent of those misses will be on the back end of the pair. It's nice to assume that all 20.25 percent will end up with the defense, but it's also unrealistic. The offense rebounds about 1 in 10 missed free throws, and that mark tends to go up for a bad foul shooter. Simple observation backs up this point -- offensive players waste little effort pushing for position when Chauncey Billups is at the stripe, but they fight like mad when Andris Biedrins steps up.

But let's say 1 in 10 of those boards goes back to Orlando, giving the Magic a new possession. That means 2.025 percent of Howard's misses still generate points; assume league-average efficiency on the new trip and that's another .021 points for the offense.

So now you're giving up an average of 1.211 points -- a breathtaking offensive efficiency level -- for the privilege of piling up fouls on your players. That's compared with a normal offensive season, but remember, too, that this year has been anything but normal. Offensive efficiency is down across the league, as noted below, so the points surrendered by this strategy are even more than normal.

Once you factor in offensive rebounding, the break-even point for this strategy in the 2011-12 season is about 48.5 percent -- slightly less for a team with a rebounding disadvantage, slightly more for one with a rebounding advantage. And that doesn't include the attrition factor from having players accumulate fouls.

Howard, at 59.5 percent, was far too proficient for this strategy to be likely to benefit Golden State. Instead it foiled a pretty good effort at the offensive end. The Warriors scored 109 points on just 99 trips against one of the league's better defensive teams

[Nastradamus]

Hollinger did the math once. It does depend on your team's average offensive efficiency, but the "hacked" player needs to shoot something like 40% or worse on his free throws to make the strategy actually result in fewer points scored.

The Clippers score 1.084 points per possession(best in the league) and shooting FTs at 50% or less gets you 1 point per possession, or less.

[kennethgriffin]

the average team shoots 35% from 3.

the clippers have the best offense in the league, scoring 112 points per 100 possessions, so they effectively shoot 56% from the field, which is much better than hacking a guy and him shooting 50% from the line.

so the only way to overcome a hackashaq strategy you impliment yourself on the other team is to get great looks at three pointers every single time up the floor?

[Mass Debator]

I always thought it was dumb. The only thing I see good in it is to disrupt the flow or to frustrate the fans.

[ralph_i_el]

Op only specified fg% which is correct it does equal 50fg% the others that said it equals 25% failed 8th grade math
All that proves is that we have a handful of posters even less intelligent than Kenneth

[nba_55]

Anyone have the average points per possession for the league and for all the playoffs teams?

[chips93]

so the only way to overcome a hackashaq strategy you impliment yourself on the other team is to get great looks at three pointers every single time up the floor?

no, just keep getting the average ones you always get

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

... which is good enough to win/sustain a lead


1 out of 2 from a shaq/deandre/howard/wilt each time up the is the same as making a field goal 1 out of every 2 times up the floor



Who thought of this dumb strategy


And guess what.....1 out of 2 free throws is 100 points per 100 possessions....which is an anemic offensive output. That's 50% TS.

[04mzwach]

... which is good enough to win/sustain a lead


1 out of 2 from a shaq/deandre/howard/wilt each time up the is the same as making a field goal 1 out of every 2 times up the floor



Who thought of this dumb strategy
If you take notice of the people that use this strategy then you realize they're older teams playing younger teams. The Spurs and Mavs did it for rest I believe. Then Josh Smith can be so bad that it works, plus it seems like pressure situations can make certain players rise to the occasion and other fall flat on their face. If you know Josh Smith shoots such and such free throw percentage and is bothered by the pressure of the game then you know if you're fouling him that it draws attention to him and the pressure to make those free throws will cause him to miss more likely than not. Sure, if he's fouled in the 1st quarter, then he's more likely to make them. The 3rd and 4th might be different though.