Woj: Cavs Have 'Legitimate Fear' Of Kevin Love Leaving This Offseason

[HOoopCityJones]

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Kevin Love is out for the season following shoulder surgery and he could have already played his final game with the Cleveland Cavaliers.

The Cavaliers had been hoping that Love would have an opportunity to make his mark with the franchise during the playoffs.

"Love hasn't been super willing to play that (Chris Bosh) part," said Wojnarowski on the Dan Patrick Show.

"He's going to look at free agency. I think he's going to look at other teams."

Love also could opt-in for another season and become a free agent in 2016 when the cap increases.

"There's a legitimate fear with the Cavs that he will just walk."

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2015-05-05/boston-celtics-offseason-demarcus-cousins-chandler-parsons-greg-monroe-brad-stevens-marcus-smart-nba-draft?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

"If Love does leave the Cavs this year, he

[Trollsmasher]

Don't take anything Woj says that has any connection to LeBron seriously

[Derka]

If it was anybody but Woj, I wouldn't believe it.

What is going on in Kevin Love's mind to make him think he's anything more than a Chris Bosh-style role player? In what universe does he think he's the alpha on a championship team? Besides, he's crazy if he doesn't opt-in especially after the shitty break he got in this year's playoffs.

He has a terrific situation in Cleveland. So what if media types and haters want to give him shit for riding Lebron's coattails? Ride them coattails to rings if you can, homeboy.

[protox]

Anything Woj writes about LBJ is bias.

[DukeDelonte13]

Windy says he's opting in for sure.

[IncarceratedBob]

Windy says he's opting in for sure.
So one of the biggest idiots in US media history says something so it must be true. Stop slurping on his ***** you loser, Love is gone. Accept it

[HOoopCityJones]

Lmao at Woj has Lebron bias.

> Not hero worshiping LBJ

>Bias

He called him out about being a Pu$$y earlier in the year for quitting on his Team for weeks on end and showing no fight earlier in the year and suddenly he's bias against him? Woj just keeps it real in general.

[DukeDelonte13]

So one of the biggest idiots in US media history says something so it must be true. Stop slurping on his ***** you loser, Love is gone. Accept it






Just saying there are conflicting reports? :confusedshrug:

[ALBballer]

There really is no reason for him to leave financially speaking.

For one, he's coming off surgery and a bad year. Granted he would still get the max but he would have more options next year if/when he comes back with a stronger year and shows people he recovered well from the injury.

Secondly, he is going to make almost $17 million next year and if he stayed another year he would put himself in position for the new max.

Financially it doesn't make sense unless he wants to secure a new max now and he is scared he won't recover 100% from the injury.

Now if financials aren't an issue then an argument could be made that he could walk but there is too much money on stake.

[Mass Debator]

Good

[Kingwillball]

If love leaves Aldridge says he is interested in the Cavs so he can be replaced. Be careful what u wish for Kevin unless your ok with being a career loser stat padder on shit teams.

[IncarceratedBob]

Just saying there are conflicting reports? :confusedshrug:
**** you

[J Shuttlesworth]

If love leaves Aldridge says he is interested in the Cavs so he can be replaced. Be careful what u wish for Kevin unless your ok with being a career loser stat padder on shit teams.
"Maybe more interesting is that for the first time, word has surfaced that Aldridge would be interested in joining the Cavaliers if Kevin Love doesn't return.."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25170639/free-agency-rumors-knicks-after-lamarcus-aldridge

[DukeDelonte13]

If love leaves Aldridge says he is interested in the Cavs so he can be replaced. Be careful what u wish for Kevin unless your ok with being a career loser stat padder on shit teams.

Love has never given an indication that he wants out or isn't happy, something that he didn't seem shy of when he was in Minny.

It's Cleveland. No matter what sport or what star, anytime a big time player has FA decisions to make the national media will always try and say how player X wants out of town.

[Trollsmasher]

Lmao at Woj has Lebron bias.

> Not hero worshiping LBJ

>Bias

He called him out about being a Pu$$y earlier in the year for quitting on his Team for weeks on end and showing no fight earlier in the year and suddenly he's bias against him? Woj just keeps it real in general.
he has been making up baseless shit about him for far longer

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120572/adrian-wojnarowski-how-basketballs-reporting-machine-gets-his-scoops

[kurple]

"Maybe more interesting is that for the first time, word has surfaced that Aldridge would be interested in joining the Cavaliers if Kevin Love doesn't return.."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25170639/free-agency-rumors-knicks-after-lamarcus-aldridge
i dont see this working cap wise

[DukeDelonte13]

i dont see this working cap wise


if portland and cle do s&t's i think it could theoretically work, but IMO that's the only way it could happen, and its an extraordinarily unlikely scenario.

[navy]

Love will stay another year because the cap increase isnt until two years and he's returning from injury. Cavs shouldnt be worried yet.
But if he wants to leave they can probably replace him and not lose much.

[Derka]

I like how comments from Woj that had zero to do with Lebron...suddenly became about Lebron :oldlol: This site is crazy.

[Ancient Legend]

[QUOTE=J Shuttlesworth]"Maybe more interesting is that for the first time, word has surfaced that Aldridge would be interested in joining the Cavaliers if Kevin Love doesn't return.."


I dislike Aldridge but he would fit in way better for the Cavs than Love.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lmao at Woj has Lebron bias.

> Not hero worshiping LBJ

>Bias

He called him out about being a Pu$$y earlier in the year for quitting on his Team for weeks on end and showing no fight earlier in the year and suddenly he's bias against him? Woj just keeps it real in general.

You didn't read that article, detailing how LeBron wasn't forthcoming enough for Woj, which upset him and had him writing a bunch of anti Bron stuff from that point on?


I like how comments from Woj that had zero to do with Lebron...suddenly became about Lebron :oldlol: This site is crazy.

LeBron being the leader this is definitely on LeBron aswell.. you dont think he would be blamed if Love goes? Especially with more attention then being drawn to his comments about him, and his role? Thats crazy. He just stirring shit up.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm going to defer to Kevin Love on this subject.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2rcmk3l.jpg

That was from March, I believe... so a couple months ago and he was just really starting to play well toward the end of the regular season and in the playoffs.

Obviously, things can change. There is no absolute guarantee in this business. But, my god... can a guy be any clearer without actually signing an extension or picking up his option? Which he can't technically do until after the season anyway.

Every time he is asked, Love has been virtually unequivocal in his response. Woj wants some clicks and this is always a good way. I don't understand why the Cavs always seem to be at the center of these "he's going to leave" narratives.

Kyrie Irving was getting the same treatment last year. Irving said over and over that he wasn't going to leave. Windhorst went as far as to basically call him a liar. The guy signed a max deal literally minutes after it was allowed for teams/players to discuss new deals.

If he leaves, then it will be a real hit for the franchise. Even if the stuff about LMA wanting to come here is true, (1) he's a lot older than Love and (2) it would mean that we basically traded Wiggins for nothing. We could have had LMA and kept Wiggins.

But, it still seems like quite a stretch to me. Again, I'll defer to Kevin on the subject...


http://i61.tinypic.com/2qnm5xh.jpg

[gts]

I like how comments from Woj that had zero to do with Lebron...suddenly became about Lebron :oldlol: This site is crazy.I like how when Woj reports something that has nothing to do with the Cavs, Cavs fans are making threads titled "Woj Bomb"

When it's the Cavs being reported on he's suddenly not to be trusted:lol

[pegasus]

I'm going to defer to Kevin Love on this subject.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2rcmk3l.jpg

That was from March, I believe... so a couple months ago and he was just really starting to play well toward the end of the regular season and in the playoffs.

Obviously, things can change. There is no absolute guarantee in this business. But, my god... can a guy be any clearer without actually signing an extension or picking up his option? Which he can't technically do until after the season anyway.

Every time he is asked, Love has been virtually unequivocal in his response. Woj wants some clicks and this is always a good way. I don't understand why the Cavs always seem to be at the center of these "he's going to leave" narratives.

Kyrie Irving was getting the same treatment last year. Irving said over and over that he wasn't going to leave. Windhorst went as far as to basically call him a liar. The guy signed a max deal literally minutes after it was allowed for teams/players to discuss new deals.

If he leaves, then it will be a real hit for the franchise. Even if the stuff about LMA wanting to come here is true, (1) he's a lot older than Love and (2) it would mean that we basically traded Wiggins for nothing. We could have had LMA and kept Wiggins.

But, it still seems like quite a stretch to me. Again, I'll defer to Kevin on the subject...


http://i61.tinypic.com/2qnm5xh.jpg

Have you guys learned nothing from Lebron?

[Nick Young]

Love to LAL holy shit I cannot wait

[jimmybball]

They should.

[gts]

Have you guys learned nothing from Lebron?Not going to leave until we win a title

[navy]

I like how when Woj reports something that has nothing to do with the Cavs, Cavs fans are making threads titled "Woj Bomb"

When it's the Cavs being reported on he's suddenly not to be trusted:lol
Actually, it's well noted that Woj is terrible for articles on any subject and should only be trusted for draft picks and trades. Or at least it should be well known at this point.

[gts]

Actually, it's well noted that Woj is terrible for articles on any subject and should only be trusted for draft picks and trades. Or at least it should be well known at this point.


and this is veiled trade talk... this is the Cavs putting out feelers to move Love this summer

[RedBlackAttack]

i dont see this working cap wise
It would obviously be a S&T. But, if a guy really wants to go to a specific place and they can work it out from a salary/trade perspective, it can happen.

I mean, technically, the Cavs traded LeBron to the Heat back in 2010. Players really hold the power in impending free agency.



As for this Kevin Love thing, this article was posted on ESPN.com today:

[QUOTE]Kevin Love has not left the building
Dave McMenamin, ESPN.com

CLEVELAND -- It had been 15 days since Kevin Love last set foot in Quicken Loans Arena before Wednesday

[bigkingsfan]

More probable than not he stays.

[HOoopCityJones]

It would obviously be a S&T. But, if a guy really wants to go to a specific place and they can work it out from a salary/trade perspective, it can happen.

I mean, technically, the Cavs traded LeBron to the Heat back in 2010. Players really hold the power in impending free agency.



As for this Kevin Love thing, this article was posted on ESPN.com today:



http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/840/kevin-love-has-not-left-the-building


Here is video of Love being saluted by Cavs fans last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp2lNfd1owc


Dwight Howard in his exit interviews

"I'll make it up to you Laker fans"

*leaves for HOU*

What Love says means nothing RBA. Actions speak louder than words, we'll see what he does when it's all said and done.

[navy]

and this is veiled trade talk... this is the Cavs putting out feelers to move Love this summer
If you say so. I mean last year he wrote an article slandering the Cavs organization for missing out on a chance for lebron james to return so I im not sure he's the go to guy for their trade feelers.

[RedBlackAttack]

Have you guys learned nothing from Lebron?
LeBron was actually never even close to as clear as Love has been about staying. I always thought it was just because LeBron loves attention and the more coded he was in his language, the more articles would be written, the more attention he would get. But, no... he genuinely wasn't sure what he was going to do and/or already knew he was leaving years prior.

Love, on the other hand, has been pretty crystal clear. He said in that quote I posted, "I wish I could end all the speculation right now ... I want to be here long term."

Would it be a major downer if he left? Absolutely. Is it anything remotely close to James nearing the summer of 2010? Not even in the same stratosphere.

If he leaves, we'll pursue LMA. If that doesn't work, I trust Griff to put together some other plan. I think his roster moves have been incredibly good. How we got Mozgov, Shumpert and JR Smith for Waiters and a late-1st, I'm still trying to figure out.

So, I don't feel like I'm just being overly optimistic to make myself feel better. I'm trying to be a realist. Could he leave? Obviously. Will he leave? Everything that I've seen/heard indicates he won't. :confusedshrug:

[RedBlackAttack]

and this is veiled trade talk... this is the Cavs putting out feelers to move Love this summer
No way the Cavs would trade Love. They were going to hand out arm slings to the first 20,000 people at the Q last night in solidarity with KLove before someone realized that it was a horrible idea... but that was to show him how much the organization/fans care about him. They're desperate to show him he is wanted here.

You don't do that if you're working trades behind the scenes.

Like I said, it was Windhorst last year that had Kyrie Irving basically gone from the Cavaliers. He also said that any chance LeBron ever comes back would have to mean Kyrie is traded or walks, because James and Irving would never play together.

We go through this sh!t every year. It is the perennial Cavs fan scare tactics to get web clicks.

[HOoopCityJones]

RBA meltdown in progress? Holy shit.

[RedBlackAttack]

RBA meltdown in progress? Holy shit.
Meltdown?

How so? :confusedshrug:

[Hey Yo]

Dwight Howard in his exit interviews

"I'll make it up to you Laker fans"

*leaves for HOU*

What Love says means nothing RBA. Actions speak louder than words, we'll see what he does when it's all said and done.
But look how much shit he took from LA fans throughout the season and playoffs.

Much MUCH different situation with K. Love in Cleveland.

The article is nothing more than click bait.

[TylerOO]

Have you guys learned nothing from Lebron?

Seriously. Not even learning from LeBron, or Cleveland in general. This is what happens in sports. He's not gonna say he's leaving. THIS HAPPENS WITH 99% OF ATHLETES. Don't believe what, in this case Kevin Love, or anyone else says. Just let it play out.

[HOoopCityJones]

But look how much shit he took from LA fans throughout the season and playoffs.

Much MUCH different situation with K. Love in Cleveland.

The article is nothing more than click bait.


Are you kidding me? LBJ stans and Cav fans alike on this board have been shittin on Love all year outside of RBA, who isn't a LBJ stan. Now that he got hurt when they really need him ya'll wanna act like it's been a smooth marriage? :roll:

Likewise Lebron been throwing shade his way , all year.

This revisionism. :hammerhead:

[Hey Yo]

Are you kidding me? LBJ stans and Cav fans alike on this board have been shittin on Love all year outside of RBA, who isn't a LBJ stan. Now that he got hurt when they really need him ya'll wanna act like it's been a smooth marriage? :roll:

Likewise Lebron been throwing shade his way , all year.

This revisionism. :hammerhead:
You really think I was referring to what people were saying about Howard on message boards? If you want to take the message board route in backing what you'r saying that's fine, but it's pretty stupid to do so....no offense.

Howard played hurt all year and still got shit from local media and fans saying he wasn't playing up to the hype or wasn't trying hard enough.

Let's see, which fans are more spoiled Lakers or Cavs? Who's media opinions hold more grains of salt about personnel, LA or Cleveland? Dwight was tired of taking shit. Love hasn't even come close to getting the same amount.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Lmao at Woj has Lebron bias.

> Not hero worshiping LBJ

>Bias

He called him out about being a Pu$$y earlier in the year for quitting on his Team for weeks on end and showing no fight earlier in the year and suddenly he's bias against him? Woj just keeps it real in general.

Agreed. Just because he doesn't feel bullshit pressure to not call out LeBron for quitting on his team like that, doesn't mean he has bias against him

[NumberSix]

As much as I don't want to give Cleveland any credit......

He should stay in Cleveland. It's his best chance at winning chips, and money isn't a problem because Dan Gilbert is willing to spend.

[Rose'sACL]

i don't know if it is true or not but when it comes new about NBA on yahoo, this is how people should read articles:
Woj for breaking news in the off-season or near trade deadline.
Spears for everything else.

[HurricaneKid]

"Maybe more interesting is that for the first time, word has surfaced that Aldridge would be interested in joining the Cavaliers if Kevin Love doesn't return.."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25170639/free-agency-rumors-knicks-after-lamarcus-aldridge

Unless KLove wants to go to Portland (he doesn't) this isn't even close to a workable situation. Cle would gladly pay LMA as much as they can; sadly for LMA that is the league min. So unless Cle has enough to trade to not only offset the salary to bring LMA in, they would have to offer enough to Port to get them to trade away their cornerstone.

I have a low tolerance for absurd rumors based on nothing. Its not only horrific journalism, its essentially an impossibility.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Meltdown?

How so? :confusedshrug:

you do realize that if Love even began to hint that he might be leaving, and then eventually left they would be all over him for tampering

i know you cavs fans don't think tampering applies to you seeing as lebron was allowed to call another player who was under contract with another team to tell him he was coming back to Cleveland and that said player should tell his team to begin working trade negations with Cleveland.. but...

[navy]

you do realize that if Love even began to hint that he might be leaving, and then eventually left they would be all over him for tampering
Players cant tamper.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Players cant tamper.



“ARTICLE 35E OF THE NBA CONSTITUTION STATES THAT IT’S A VIOLATION OF THE LEAGUE’S ANTI-TAMPERING RULE FOR ANY PERSON AFFILIATED WITH AN NBA TEAM TO DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY (I) ENTICE, INDUCE, OR PERSUADE, OR ATTEMPT TO ENTICE, INDUCE OR PERSUADE, ANY PLAYER, COACH, GM OR OTHER PERSON UNDER CONTRACT TO ANY OTHER NBA TEAM TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS FOR OR RELATING TO THAT PERSON’S SERVICES OR TO NEGOTIATE OR CONTRACT FOR SUCH SERVICES, OR (II) OTHERWISE INTERFERE WITH THE EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THAT EMPLOYEE AND THE OTHER NBA TEAM.”

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/so-apparently-lebron-recruited-kevin-love-after-he-signed-with-the-cavs/


and I'm sure Joe Smith + the T'Wolves would disagree with you, they can't punish the player but they can punish the team he plays for

[navy]

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/so-apparently-lebron-recruited-kevin-love-after-he-signed-with-the-cavs/


and I'm sure Joe Smith + the T'Wolves would disagree with you, they can't punish the player but they can punish the team he plays for
Why would you post an article that you didnt even read? They gave a link to another espn article if you need more info.

[gts]

you do realize that if Love even began to hint that he might be leaving, and then eventually left they would be all over him for tampering

i know you cavs fans don't think tampering applies to you seeing as lebron was allowed to call another player who was under contract with another team to tell him he was coming back to Cleveland and that said player should tell his team to begin working trade negations with Cleveland.. but...
Players sre allowed to talk and recruit any time of the year It would have to be proven the player was acting strictly as an agent for the front office

[TheMarkMadsen]

Why would you post an article that you didnt even read?

you moron :facepalm :facepalm

David Stern isn't the commissioner anymore, what he said one time doesn't hold weight anymore unless he actually put that rule into the rule book

becaause the rules as they are written clearly lean towards the assumption that players can get in trouble with tampering

[TheMarkMadsen]

Players sre allowed to talk and recruit any time of the year It would have to be proven the player was acting strictly as an agent for the front office

I would say that calling love and asking him to join forces immediately after signing with the Cavs and then releasing a statement which conveniently leaves out the players who end up getting traded for love (weeks before the trade actually happened) is enough proof for anybody to see that Lebron was running that front office deal

[navy]

you moron :facepalm :facepalm

David Stern isn't the commissioner anymore, what he said one time doesn't hold weight anymore unless he actually put that rule into the rule book

becaause the rules as they are written clearly lean towards the assumption that players can get in trouble with tampering
Like I said, read the article that they posted where it says players cant tamper. Just because Stern isnt commissioner anymore doesnt mean that anything changed. Are you somehow ignorant to the fact that Silver was commissioner when the Cavs acquired love?

Do you think that the league would change an interpretation of a rule like that and not tell anyone? It was obvious that the rule was not put in place for players.

Players can do what they want. Tampering isnt the reason that Love hasnt mentioned leaving. We dont know what's in his heart. Players never say they are leaving during the season anyways. Just admit you were wrong.

Tampering though.

[dreamwarrior]

Not everyone wants to play for their home team. Kevin in his career has NEVER expressed any interest in joining the Lakers. He'd be more likely to go to PHO where his favorite player Steve Nash played

[navy]

Not everyone wants to play for their home team. Kevin in his career has NEVER expressed any interest in joining the Lakers. He'd be more likely to go to PHO where his favorite player Steve Nash played
Every free agent rumor involves players going home. You would think people would catch on by now.

Durant to Washington
Love to LA
Westbrook to LA
LMA to Texas
Dwight to Atlanta

Happens all the time. :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Like I said, read the article that they posted where it says players cant tamper. Just because Stern isnt commissioner anymore doesnt mean that anything changed. Are you somehow ignorant to the fact that Silver was commissioner when the Cavs acquired love?

Do you think that the league would change an interpretation of a rule like that and not tell anyone? It was obvious that the rule was not put in place for players.

Players can do what they want. Tampering isnt the reason that Love hasnt mentioned leaving. We dont know what's in his heart. Players never say they are leaving during the season anyways. Just admit you were wrong.

Tampering though.

umm they do this all the time..

from Stern not finding any tampering with Ewing and the Knicks to the Raptors getting fined for comments that Drake made at a concert

from mark cuban getting fined $100,000 for saying this

[QUOTE]"Come July 1, yeah, of course. Anybody would be interested in LeBron James and if he leaves via free agency, then it

[Nick Young]

The Prince of LA is coming home:bowdown: He'll look good in purple and gold.

[Nick Young]

Meltdown?

How so? :confusedshrug:
LOL. This kid is in denial just like he was the summer Lebron left Cleveland:roll:

Then he snapped and went insane XD

[navy]

umm they do this all the time..

from Stern not finding any tampering with Ewing and the Knicks to the Raptors getting fined for comments that Drake made at a concert

from mark cuban getting fined $100,000 for saying this



to Steve Kerry getting fined $10,000 for saying this



they clearly pick and choose what they consider to be tampering and what isn't, tell me the $90,000 difference from Cuban and Kerr's comments.. you can't.. because the NBA and especially Stern when he was around pick and choose when to bring the hammer down and when to not.

Mark Cuban has a deep history of fines. Of course he will get hit harder.
:lol

Like I said, if they decide to bring up player tampering in their next board meeting it will be a formal change or at least a memo to the players. Until then there is no reason to think that Love is personally worried about player tampering.

[Nick Young]

But look how much shit he took from LA fans throughout the season and playoffs.

Much MUCH different situation with K. Love in Cleveland.

The article is nothing more than click bait.
Howard did make it up to us by getting his scrub ass out of town:cheers:

[Nick Young]

LeBron was actually never even close to as clear as Love has been about staying. I always thought it was just because LeBron loves attention and the more coded he was in his language, the more articles would be written, the more attention he would get. But, no... he genuinely wasn't sure what he was going to do and/or already knew he was leaving years prior.

Love, on the other hand, has been pretty crystal clear. He said in that quote I posted, "I wish I could end all the speculation right now ... I want to be here long term."

Would it be a major downer if he left? Absolutely. Is it anything remotely close to James nearing the summer of 2010? Not even in the same stratosphere.

If he leaves, we'll pursue LMA. If that doesn't work, I trust Griff to put together some other plan. I think his roster moves have been incredibly good. How we got Mozgov, Shumpert and JR Smith for Waiters and a late-1st, I'm still trying to figure out.

So, I don't feel like I'm just being overly optimistic to make myself feel better. I'm trying to be a realist. Could he leave? Obviously. Will he leave? Everything that I've seen/heard indicates he won't. :confusedshrug:
LOL. They haven't learned anything from Lebron. This offseason gonna be good:banana: :banana: :banana:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Mark Cuban has a deep history of fines. Of course he will get hit harder.
:lol

ok so then what's the $15,000 difference between what Kerr said and what the Hawks owner at the time said


"If somebody came to us tomorrow and said you can have LeBron for max money and it puts you in the luxury tax, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

they just pick and choose when they want to enforce this rule, look at what happened to Joe Smith and the Wolves.. you really think that hadn't happened before and just went unpunished?

[RedBlackAttack]

you do realize that if Love even began to hint that he might be leaving, and then eventually left they would be all over him for tampering

i know you cavs fans don't think tampering applies to you seeing as lebron was allowed to call another player who was under contract with another team to tell him he was coming back to Cleveland and that said player should tell his team to begin working trade negations with Cleveland.. but...
...what does that have to do with having a "meltdown"? I don't understand it in the context of the post you quoted. Also, you're wrong. LeBron, Wade and Bosh openly talked about the discussions they had about all becoming free agents in the same offseason so they could join the same team in 2010.


The three played together for the first time that summer in Japan at the World Championships. For the first week, they were sequestered without family or friends in Sapporo, Japan, in an attempt to build chemistry. But it wasn't just the players. Working as an intern for Team USA and getting to know the players was Nick Arison, the son of Heat billionaire owner Micky Arison.

Now, Nick Arison is a rising executive with the Heat. He was part of the team that recruited all three players this summer.

Already close because they came from the same draft class, the Team USA experience strengthened the relationship. Even before the team gathered in Las Vegas to prepare for the World Championships that summer, the three had talked about playing for that team.

That same July, the co-op took on another role when all three decided to extend their contracts with their teams. They couldn't all become unrestricted free agents until 2007 under the rules, so the smart play was for them to extend with the respective teams.

But with some of the league's higher-profile older stars perceived as being stuck in long-term contracts with struggling teams, the three decided to go for shorter contracts.

After talking about it amongst themselves, James, Bosh and Wade decided to accept three-year extensions with their teams. It would make them all unrestricted free agents at the same time in 2010. For players on maximum contracts, becoming an unrestricted free agent after just seven years in the NBA is rare. But it would put them all in position to potentially team up that year as well.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/inside_the_decision_miamis_cou.html


Bosh and James were good friends dating back to the 2003 NBA draft when James was selected first overall and Bosh was fourth. The two joined forces on the 2008 Olympic team where they, along with Wade, first discussed how neat it would be for the three of them to play together in Miami.

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201410/chris-bosh-i-havent-spoke-lebron-james-he-left-miami

If this is collusion, what the hell was that? Players having internal discussions amongst themselves and putting statements out there through their mouthpieces in the media... none of that constitutes tampering. How are the Cavs supposed to stop LMA from saying he'd consider coming to Cleveland if Love were to leave? As long as they're not an active participant in the talks, there is nothing the league can do.

Kevin Love said basically exactly the same thing last offseason through his agent... "If LeBron goes back to Cleveland, I'd be willing to sign there longterm."

Not collusion.


LOL. They haven't learned anything from Lebron. This offseason gonna be good:banana: :banana: :banana:

What do you suppose is going to happen if Love leaves? I'm going to probably get on here and say... "Hey guys, sucks that Love is gone."

And proceed to analyze the situation. I'm not sure what you are expecting to see.

[El Gato Negro]

I'm sure actual cavs fans know this but there are only two good sources for cavs info. Jason Lloyd and Chris Parker. Anything else is just the usual we hate cleveland bs. Woj is good at breaking trades and drafts but is shit at speculation and always has been, and that's exactly what this is speculation and click bait. The delusion level of laker fans on this board is impressive.

[RedBlackAttack]

Unless KLove wants to go to Portland (he doesn't) this isn't even close to a workable situation. Cle would gladly pay LMA as much as they can; sadly for LMA that is the league min. So unless Cle has enough to trade to not only offset the salary to bring LMA in, they would have to offer enough to Port to get them to trade away their cornerstone.

I have a low tolerance for absurd rumors based on nothing. Its not only horrific journalism, its essentially an impossibility.
Like I said... obviously it would almost certainly have to be a S&T. Brendan Haywood's contract alone is an $11 million expirer next season. Coming up with the salary to make a S&T work wouldn't be much of an issue. And, Portland doesn't exactly have leverage to ask for much in that kind of situation.

They can either take some things back in a S&T or lose him and get nothing in the open market. Like I said, a lot of people forget that, once James made his decision to go to Miami, the Cavs and Heat actually worked out a S&T so that Cleveland would get something out of the deal, however meager.

It turned out to be a trade exception and a couple late-round draft picks. But, it was something.

[Droid101]

RBA Meltdown Confirmed.

:banana:

[RedBlackAttack]

RBA Meltdown Confirmed.

:banana:

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[Optimus Prime]

For Woj to say it means that it is legit.

Windhorst is a slobbering LeBeta stan...he might actually be Abbot in disguise.

Of course Love is saying all the right things. That's what you do as a professional. He's still under contract with the Cavs, so he still has to play the PR game. Coming out and publicly trashing LeBeta and/or the Cavs would be the absolute worst thing for him to do at this point in time for too many reasons to list.

Cavs fans and LeBeta stans are in full denial right now. Love wasn't just diminished into a 3 point shooting big man by LeBeta like Bosh was. LeBeta treated Love like garbage and deflected all the blame onto Love so everybody would still love Beta Bran. That has got to have Love seething inside, though whether it's enough for him to bolt town remains to be seen.

:kobe:

[Droid101]

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[gts]

I would say that calling love and asking him to join forces immediately after signing with the Cavs and then releasing a statement which conveniently leaves out the players who end up getting traded for love (weeks before the trade actually happened) is enough proof for anybody to see that Lebron was running that front office deal
nope...

you'd need a paper trail between the Cavs front office and Lebron asking him to contact Love...

Lebron, Wade and Bosh admitted to openly talking about joining forces during the olympics the summer before they actually did join forces.. reporters ask players all the time would you like to play with player XYZ and will you try and recruit him and they always answer the question, I've never once heard a player decline answering that question because it's against the rules or could result in a fine from the league office... Players can talk to each other players can talk to each other about teaming up, they do it all the time, in the open

[gts]

For Woj to say it means that it is legit.

Windhorst is a slobbering LeBeta stan...he might actually be Abbot in disguise.

Of course Love is saying all the right things. That's what you do as a professional. He's still under contract with the Cavs, so he still has to play the PR game. Coming out and publicly trashing LeBeta and/or the Cavs would be the absolute worst thing for him to do at this point in time for too many reasons to list.

Cavs fans and LeBeta stans are in full denial right now. Love wasn't just diminished into a 3 point shooting big man by LeBeta like Bosh was. LeBeta treated Love like garbage and deflected all the blame onto Love so everybody would still love Beta Bran. That has got to have Love seething inside, though whether it's enough for him to bolt town remains to be seen.

:kobe:

horrible disguise :lol

as for the rest, you nailed it.. of course he's going to say all the right things... it's part of negotiations with the Cavs and other teams, to commit to any position at this time is to weaken his bargaining power

[Droid101]

Windhorst is a slobbering LeBeta stan...he might actually be Abbot in disguise.

Get serious. We know who Windy is.












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[Doranku]

It's amusing watching RBA type novels to try and convince himself that there's nothing to worry about. :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

I didn't mention anything about Wade/Lebron/Bosh's ordeal..

But ok.. direct post at me like I did..

[RedBlackAttack]

It's amusing watching RBA type novels to try and convince himself that there's nothing to worry about. :lol
I thought I was melting down? Am I melting down or deluding myself into remaining calm, god dammit? Y'all need to make up your minds.

I think I've accepted meltdown status.


I'm ready to embrace it.






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[TheMarkMadsen]

It's amusing watching RBA type novels to try and convince himself that there's nothing to worry about. :lol


The same guy who told us in 2010 that he would be done with the nba if Lebron came back to Cleveland

:roll: :roll:

And like the rest of Cleveland has done his best to pull some Jedi mind trick on himself so that he can feel ok rooting for a cavs team that features Lebron.

These guys are sweating because they know if Love leaves they basically gave away Wiggins for nothing

[Optimus Prime]

horrible disguise :lol

as for the rest, you nailed it.. of course he's going to say all the right things... it's part of negotiations with the Cavs and other teams, to commit to any position at this time is to weaken his bargaining power

Not only negotiating position, but if Love were to come out right now and just unleash on LeBeta, other teams would look at him like, "OK, this guy is acting like an immature idiot and just trashed his current employer in the media. Maybe we don't want him on our team, or he isn't worth a max contract." And after he acts the fool, he burned his bridges in Cleveland, so he just shot himself in the foot big-time.

Love's saying and doing all the "right things" at the moment, but it's just all part of the game. There is a very real possibility that LeGM just traded away star-in-the-making Wiggins for a one-year rental of Love.

Ouch. No wonder Cavs fans and LeBeta stans are in full damage control mode right now.

:kobe:

[RedBlackAttack]

The same guy who told us in 2010 that he would be done with the nba if Lebron came back to Cleveland

:roll: :roll:

And like the rest of Cleveland has done his best to pull some Jedi mind trick on himself so that he can feel ok rooting for a cavs team that features Lebron.

These guys are sweating because they know if Love leaves they basically gave away Wiggins for nothing

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[Hey Yo]

For Woj to say it means that it is legit.

Windhorst is a slobbering LeBeta stan...he might actually be Abbot in disguise.

Of course Love is saying all the right things. That's what you do as a professional. He's still under contract with the Cavs, so he still has to play the PR game. Coming out and publicly trashing LeBeta and/or the Cavs would be the absolute worst thing for him to do at this point in time for too many reasons to list.

Cavs fans and LeBeta stans are in full denial right now. Love wasn't just diminished into a 3 point shooting big man by LeBeta like Bosh was. LeBeta treated Love like garbage and deflected all the blame onto Love so everybody would still love Beta Bran. That has got to have Love seething inside, though whether it's enough for him to bolt town remains to be seen.

:kobe:
Safe to say you're completely ruined by James. You probably say "LeBeta" in your sleep.

Have fun with your new Rondo jersey.

[HOoopCityJones]

Lmao.

[Droid101]

RBA embracing the darkness!

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[Nick Young]

It's amusing watching RBA type novels to try and convince himself that there's nothing to worry about. :lol
forreal:roll: :roll: :roll:

Setting himself up for more heartbreak.

These Cleveland hicks never learn:roll: :roll: :roll:

[gts]

I didn't mention anything about Wade/Lebron/Bosh's ordeal..

But ok.. direct post at me like I did..


you do realize that if Love even began to hint that he might be leaving, and then eventually left they would be all over him for tampering

i know you cavs fans don't think tampering applies to you seeing as lebron was allowed to call another player who was under contract with another team to tell him he was coming back to Cleveland and that said player should tell his team to begin working trade negations with Cleveland.. but...



:facepalm You The Mark Madesen are talking about players tampering and being fined, i gave you an recent example where players were openly discussing (while they were still under contract with 3 separate teams) to join forces, they admitted to the collusion and nobody was fined for tampering..

really try and keep up with your own talking points

[Optimus Prime]

:facepalm You The Mark Madesen are talking about players tampering and being fined, i gave you an recent example where players were openly discussing while they were still under contract with 3 separate teams to join forces, they admitted to the collusion and nobody was fined for tampering..

really try and keep up with your own talking points

Because LeBeta was involved. Duh. Use your brain. Stern wasn't going to punish his golden money printing media hype machine. Come on now.

:kobe:

[HurricaneKid]

Like I said... obviously it would almost certainly have to be a S&T. Brendan Haywood's contract alone is an $11 million expirer next season. Coming up with the salary to make a S&T work wouldn't be much of an issue. And, Portland doesn't exactly have leverage to ask for much in that kind of situation.

They can either take some things back in a S&T or lose him and get nothing in the open market. Like I said, a lot of people forget that, once James made his decision to go to Miami, the Cavs and Heat actually worked out a S&T so that Cleveland would get something out of the deal, however meager.

It turned out to be a trade exception and a couple late-round draft picks. But, it was something.

No, Miami gave the pick that ended up as Valanciunas and another 1 (later traded for James Johnson) for Bosh and two #1s and 2 2nds for LeBron (including the expected #11 pick this year). And that was when Miami had cap space and the other teams had no leverage. In this case, Cle CANNOT do it without Port signing on. So they will have to give up much more. And they don't have any more to give.

Sorry, there just aren't pieces there to get him. Haywood would help make the deal easier to work financially but the ability to waive a guy is not exactly worthy of a cornerstone player.

[Doranku]

Honestly, Love sucks anyway. If I were a Cavs fan, I'd want Love to walk so that the Cavs can purse LMA.

I would rather have LMA on my team over Love 11/10 times.

[HOoopCityJones]

Love will simply not tip his hand for negotiating purposes and that includes where The Cavs are concerned. He had a decent season, nothing spectacular like in Minne and they might try to low ball him because of it, so he'll say all the right things going into FA.

[Optimus Prime]

Honestly, Love sucks anyway. If I were a Cavs fan, I'd want Love to walk so that the Cavs can purse LMA.

I would rather have LMA on my team over Love 11/10 times.

:durantunimpressed:

Love is a beast in the right circumstances, not being relegated to a spot-up 3-point shooter. His only real weakness is defense.

LMA is turning 30 and has his own pretty serious injury too. I'd rather have Love.

Come home, Love! Kobe won't hate! :kobe:

[Droid101]

Love had an above .500 record in the games he actually played in his final season in Minnesota, with actually historic numbers. Anyone who says they don't want him is fooling themselves.

[RedBlackAttack]

No, Miami gave the pick that ended up as Valanciunas and another 1 (later traded for James Johnson) for Bosh and two #1s and 2 2nds for LeBron (including the expected #11 pick this year). And that was when Miami had cap space and the other teams had no leverage. In this case, Cle CANNOT do it without Port signing on. So they will have to give up much more. And they don't have any more to give.

Sorry, there just aren't pieces there to get him. Haywood would help make the deal easier to work financially but the ability to waive a guy is not exactly worthy of a cornerstone player.
I don't see how Portland is in a situation where they can bargain if he has decided to leave. He's an unrestricted free agent. What is stopping him from going to Portland and saying, "My two options are I either sign with this other team or you can S&T me to Cleveland for cap space and draft picks."

How would they have any leverage to demand a steeper price? Would Portland be willing to let him walk and get nothing over whatever it is that the Cavs have to offer?

[gts]

Love had an above .500 record in the games he actually played in his final season in Minnesota, with actually historic numbers. Anyone who says they don't want him is fooling themselves.

He's a solid addition to any roster... his value to a team is up for debate depending on how they use him but he's worth a big contract and he'll get a big contract...

I can understand somebody saying he might not fit in with a certain system with today's game edging more and more to a perimeter based game but even on such a roster he has a lot to give...

[TheMarkMadsen]

:facepalm You The Mark Madesen are talking about players tampering and being fined, i gave you an recent example where players were openly discussing (while they were still under contract with 3 separate teams) to join forces, they admitted to the collusion and nobody was fined for tampering..

really try and keep up with your own talking points


the entire "collusion" of the HEAT has nothing to do with them meeting up in the summer or in 2008 and talking, the whole "collusion" of the heat that people are talking about has everything with the way the all suspiciously structured their 2nd contracts to expire at the same time..

Wade had reportedly signed a 5 year contract

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2508809

a few days later Lebron signs this weird 3 year extension, and then immediately after Wade does the same

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2516735

and then Bosh days later..

that was the tampering and collusion that everybody was screaming about after 2010 happened because it became obvious what they were doing when they signed those contracts back in 2006

Phil Jackson can come out and say he would pick Dwight with the first pick in a nba fantasy draft like he did in 2010 and that's not tampering.. but if he were to take that any further and discuss how they would go about trying to sign him he would have been fined just like Kerr, Cuban and the other guy were for talking about contract specifics (no matter how vague their comments actually are)

that's why when Lebron/Wade/Bosh all influence each other to sign shorter contracts with the assumed promise of teaming up in 2010 it was a hot issue for tampering, but since it had happened 4 years prior what can the NBA really do. And even if Stern had 100% proof of what really happened back in 06 to lead to 2010 do you really think he would speak up? He seems to be the profit>morals type of guy

You can say you would enjoy to play with whoever, but you can't discuss how the team/organization would go about making that happen


Lebron James can tell everybody he wants to play with Love, that's no problem, but to call him while Love is still under contract and discuss how the organization would go about getting Love to Cle (considering Lebron somehow knew Wiggins and Bennett were getting traded weeks before it happeneed) that's where the possible tampering issues could arise

[gts]

I don't see how Portland is in a situation where they can bargain if he has decided to leave. He's an unrestricted free agent. What is stopping him from going to Portland and saying, "My two options are I either sign with this other team or you can S&T me to Cleveland for cap space and draft picks."

How would they have any leverage to demand a steeper price? Would Portland be willing to let him walk and get nothing over whatever it is that the Cavs have to offer?

yes they would.. that's a myth for the most part. Teams are not going to take on contracts they don't want just to get SOMETHING out of a player leaving...

Do teams sign and trade in that circumstance, of course they do but only because they see value coming in the sign and trade... It's not some sledge hammer the player holds over a franchise... if it were it would happen a hell of a lot more than it does

plus i'll add sign and trades are not as atractive to the player because he can't get more money or a longer contract like in the past.. they are limited to the exact same contract he'd get with the team as a free agent

[DukeDelonte13]

I'm sure actual cavs fans know this but there are only two good sources for cavs info. Jason Lloyd and Chris Parker. Anything else is just the usual we hate cleveland bs. Woj is good at breaking trades and drafts but is shit at speculation and always has been, and that's exactly what this is speculation and click bait. The delusion level of laker fans on this board is impressive.


llyod is worthless and has been blackballed ever since he threw kyrie under the bus.

Now he spends his time talking sh*t about David Blatt because Blatt won't give him the time of day.

[poido123]

Love was staying the moment he got injured.

He no longer has all the choices, he will accept cavs generous offer and be happy with it.

Damaged goods changes teams desire to chase hard for that player.

[RedBlackAttack]

llyod is worthless and has been blackballed ever since he threw kyrie under the bus.

Now he spends his time talking sh*t about David Blatt because Blatt won't give him the time of day.
Remind me... what did Lloyd say about Kyrie?

[ihatetimthomas]

Love was staying the moment he got injured.

He no longer has all the choices, he will accept cavs generous offer and be happy with it.

Damaged goods changes teams desire to chase hard for that player.

He will command same interst from the same teams. He is injured but it's not his shooting arm and not his knees. Top level players don't really need to worry about injury unless it's catastrophic because teams will still pay. Any team willing to throw max at him prior to injury will still be willing.

[DukeDelonte13]

Remind me... what did Lloyd say about Kyrie?


wasn't happy with cavs FO, wasn't happy with mike brown, kyrie's dad getting drunk screaming at the coaching staff during games, essentially the exact same stuff windhorst said that everybody now hates windhorst for.

[Hey Yo]

the entire "collusion" of the HEAT has nothing to do with them meeting up in the summer or in 2008 and talking, the whole "collusion" of the heat that people are talking about has everything with the way the all suspiciously structured their 2nd contracts to expire at the same time..

Wade had reportedly signed a 5 year contract

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2508809

a few days later Lebron signs this weird 3 year extension, and then immediately after Wade does the same

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2516735

and then Bosh days later..

that was the tampering and collusion that everybody was screaming about after 2010 happened because it became obvious what they were doing when they signed those contracts back in 2006

Phil Jackson can come out and say he would pick Dwight with the first pick in a nba fantasy draft like he did in 2010 and that's not tampering.. but if he were to take that any further and discuss how they would go about trying to sign him he would have been fined just like Kerr, Cuban and the other guy were for talking about contract specifics (no matter how vague their comments actually are)

that's why when Lebron/Wade/Bosh all influence each other to sign shorter contracts with the assumed promise of teaming up in 2010 it was a hot issue for tampering, but since it had happened 4 years prior what can the NBA really do. And even if Stern had 100% proof of what really happened back in 06 to lead to 2010 do you really think he would speak up? He seems to be the profit>morals type of guy

You can say you would enjoy to play with whoever, but you can't discuss how the team/organization would go about making that happen


Lebron James can tell everybody he wants to play with Love, that's no problem, but to call him while Love is still under contract and discuss how the organization would go about getting Love to Cle (considering Lebron somehow knew Wiggins and Bennett were getting traded weeks before it happeneed) that's where the possible tampering issues could arise
Or one could say James and Bosh were smart by doing what they did, because their contracts stated they could opt out for the 2010-11 season which would've been their 7th season in the league.

I'm pretty sure (not positive) that players had to have 7 seasons under their belts in order to qualify for a max contract. They could have been looking to get a future big raise at the time they signed.

[El Gato Negro]

llyod is worthless and has been blackballed ever since he threw kyrie under the bus.

Now he spends his time talking sh*t about David Blatt because Blatt won't give him the time of day.
When did this happen Lloyd been spot on in his reports this year. If this happens last year you may want to give him another shot. Llyod is Griffs boy.

[christian1923]

No way the Cavs would trade Love. They were going to hand out arm slings to the first 20,000 people at the Q last night in solidarity with KLove before someone realized that it was a horrible idea... but that was to show him how much the organization/fans care about him. They're desperate to show him he is wanted here.

You don't do that if you're working trades behind the scenes.

Like I said, it was Windhorst last year that had Kyrie Irving basically gone from the Cavaliers. He also said that any chance LeBron ever comes back would have to mean Kyrie is traded or walks, because James and Irving would never play together.

We go through this sh!t every year. It is the perennial Cavs fan scare tactics to get web clicks.

If the Cavs were thinking about doing something as silly as that to make Love feel wanted.... doesn't that kinda mean... They have "legitimate fear" of him leaving?

[Nick Young]

Cavs traded Wiggins for nothing. RBA in meltdown mode:banana: :banana: :banana:

[Nick Young]

I don't see how Portland is in a situation where they can bargain if he has decided to leave. He's an unrestricted free agent. What is stopping him from going to Portland and saying, "My two options are I either sign with this other team or you can S&T me to Cleveland for cap space and draft picks."

How would they have any leverage to demand a steeper price? Would Portland be willing to let him walk and get nothing over whatever it is that the Cavs have to offer?
Aldridge is not going to Cleveland. You are delusional for even thinking that. :roll: I hope you aren't still a mod here. We need people of sound mental mind in modship positions.

[Meticode]

Personally, I don't think he leaves. What I think is just all based on assumptions and based on what he's said, but I think the tipping point of him staying was that taste of the playoffs he got against Boston and what this team can be. Especially in game three against Boston in Boston when he was hitting big shots, skipping down the sideline after big shots and getting that feeling.

If he leaves it's all about the money (especially if he goes to the Lakers), which is a contradiction to what he's said he wants to do, which is win right now. The Cavaliers with this group are close.

[Meticode]

Aldridge is not going to Cleveland. You are delusional for even thinking that. :roll: I hope you aren't still a mod here. We need people of sound mental mind in modship positions.
It's possible he could go, I do think it's unlikely. Maybe he's getting tired of playing in the deep west and getting knocked out of the first or second round.

[RedBlackAttack]

Aldridge is not going to Cleveland. You are delusional for even thinking that. :roll: I hope you aren't still a mod here. We need people of sound mental mind in modship positions.
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[jbryan1984]

Until I hear it from Love himself I say its BS. He made it clear his goal was to make the playoffs for the first time. And he did, its just unfortunate how this year ended. He had surgery and joined the team the other day. If he was leaving why even do that? He didnt have to. Plus the cap situation others have pointed out. Love has nevee publicy said he wants out. We enjoy him in theland

[ctown4eva]

There really is no reason for him to leave financially speaking.

For one, he's coming off surgery and a bad year. Granted he would still get the max but he would have more options next year if/when he comes back with a stronger year and shows people he recovered well from the injury.

Secondly, he is going to make almost $17 million next year and if he stayed another year he would put himself in position for the new max.

Financially it doesn't make sense unless he wants to secure a new max now and he is scared he won't recover 100% from the injury.

Now if financials aren't an issue then an argument could be made that he could walk but there is too much money on stake.

16/10 is a "bad year."

I got news: if people are expecting Love to approach 26/13 in Cleveland, it will never, ever, ever happen. Sorry.

[jimmybball]

Well, Celtics likely aren't getting him. Love still won't call Kelly back to hear his apology.

[G-Funk]

There really is no reason for him to leave financially speaking.

For one, he's coming off surgery and a bad year. Granted he would still get the max but he would have more options next year if/when he comes back with a stronger year and shows people he recovered well from the injury.

Secondly, he is going to make almost $17 million next year and if he stayed another year he would put himself in position for the new max.

Financially it doesn't make sense unless he wants to secure a new max now and he is scared he won't recover 100% from the injury.

Now if financials aren't an issue then an argument could be made that he could walk but there is too much money on stake.

He can get a better deal if he signs with Lakers/Celtics for two years with a player option after his first. he would get paid 19 instead of the 17 he will make if he opts in.

[Rooster]

Until I hear it from Love himself I say its BS. He made it clear his goal was to make the playoffs for the first time. And he did, its just unfortunate how this year ended. He had surgery and joined the team the other day. If he was leaving why even do that? He didnt have to. Plus the cap situation others have pointed out. Love has nevee publicy said he wants out. We enjoy him in theland

I dunno if Love is willing to be that 3rd option though. He know that this contract is gonna be his time as he enters his prime. I'm just wondering if he promised something to Cleveland before the trade went down.

[G-Funk]

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[G-Funk]

http://www.sikids.com/sites/default/files/multimedia/photo_gallery/1201/kevin.love.rare.photos/images/kid.jpg

Dude wants his Jersey retired next to West, his dad played with the Lakers, his family grew up Lakers fans, his family lives in L.A, His girl friend lives in L.A. he's going to L.A




.

[Straight_Ballin]

So one of the biggest idiots in US media history says something so it must be true. Stop slurping on his ***** you loser, Love is gone. Accept it

No one cares. No one wants some ***** silent bob type that can't play defense that allows himself to have his shoulder pulled out of its socket by Jay from Clerks.

[JerrySeinfeld]

http://www.sikids.com/sites/default/files/multimedia/photo_gallery/1201/kevin.love.rare.photos/images/kid.jpg

Dude wants his Jersey retired next to West, his dad played with the Lakers, his family grew up Lakers fans, his family lives in L.A, His girl friend lives in L.A. he's going to L.A




.

it's so obvious at this point.

just wondering as a lakers fan what we are gonna do with him and randle?

[HOoopCityJones]

Randle will probably still play as many minutes as Tristian plays for The Cavs if Love does come to LA. Kid has to ease back in after the injury anyway.

[Optimus Prime]

He can get a better deal if he signs with Lakers/Celtics for two years with a player option after his first. he would get paid 19 instead of the 17 he will make if he opts in.

This is the reality that Cavs fans and LeBeta stans don't want to deal with. The salary cap is going to explode after next season and with it player salaries. For a star like Love, it makes the most financial sense to sign shorter deals now, wait for the cap to skyrocket, then sign a max deal for way more than he could make now. It's exactly what LeBeta did, unless of course, LeBeta bolts again if Love splits. :oldlol:

Why lock yourself in now for 4/5 years when you can play out 1/2 year contracts and sign a 4/5 year deal for 30% (from what I've been hearing) more money?

:kobe:

PS - No way Love will go to Boston now. :lol

[ImKobe]

it's so obvious at this point.

just wondering as a lakers fan what we are gonna do with him and randle?

Randle hasn't earned a starting spot on the roster...he saw his first minutes off the bench in the 2nd half in the season opener on that sorry ass team. I think Randle will be a bench player. He can play the 3 and the 4 so he'll get his minutes since Lakers probably won't have much talent at the 3 spot and Kobe's minutes need to be restricted so Young will probably get his SF minutes at the 2 on occasions.

Bigger question is how the hell are they going to find the right guys so that some form of defense would be played...Jordan Clarkson will be a perfect fit as a starting guard to me with Kobe out there, they can both run the offense and play off each other. Now they need to find or draft either a defensive big (maybe WCS if he's still on the board) or an athletic wing with some potential on D (Justice Winslow, maybe?)

[G-Funk]

^^^ Trade Randle for a guard or center., depending on who the team drafts. Leave the SF position available for KD or Batum.

The only thing Lakers need to focus on this summer is signing Love and as many great role players to long term deals cause ones the salary goes up these players will be asking for 9-12 million dollar deals.

[TheMarkMadsen]

i would love for Love to be the next big time Laker.

[dazzer87]

Rondo and Love max deal in LA!!!! Please Mitch do it!

[G-Funk]

Rondo and Love max deal in LA!!!! Please Mitch do it!
I don't think Rondo is getting a max deal in the near future

[gts]

I don't think Rondo is getting a max deal in the near future
Yep.. that ship has sailed

[Optimus Prime]

The Mavs abusing Rondo has actually been great for the Lakers, because it tanked Rondo's market value and they can probably get him for far less than the max. Thanks, Mavs! :banana:

It would also be amazing if all the obvious shockwaves coming from Love are true and he's coming home to LA. I saw a story today that the Lakers will pursue DeMarre Carroll this summer, who is a nice young-ish 3 & D wing.

Rondo
Kobe
Carroll
Love
??? (resign Ed Davis?)

Randle, Clarkson and Young off the bench if we can't trade him.

:kobe: :cheers:

PS - Cavs fans and LeBeta stans need to be prepared for the fact that there is a good chance Love is gone. It's not a slam dunk, but with how LeBeta abused him all season long and Cleveland maligned him and blamed him for everything, it would not surprise me to see Love bolt the first day of free agency. You can't treat a near-superstar like that and expect him to stick around to play third banana to an aging beta who is now off the juice. :lebronamazed:

Plus, LA >>> Cleveland and Lakers franchise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cavs franchise

[G-Funk]

Perhaps in China

[kamil]

Rondo and Love max deal in LA!!!! Please Mitch do it!

#lakersentitlement

[G-Funk]

Rondo
Kobe
Carroll
Love
Towns

Randle, Clarkson, Black, E. Davis, and Young off the bench if we can't trade him.

:kobe: :cheers:


Fixed bro

[G-Funk]

I think if he does leave the Cavs it will be to the Lakers an here's why:

Lakers beat writer for the L.A. Times, Mike Bresnahan joined Fred Roggin on Friday afternoon to talk about the long season ahead for the team and their chances of landing Cleveland Cavaliers PF Kevin Love in the upcoming offseason.

I could see Kevin Love playing for the Lakers in a year, but it depends on what happens with Cleveland. Had Miami won the championship a year ago, LeBron might have stayed in Miami. If Cleveland wins the championship, it’s going to be pretty hard for Kevin Love to walk away from that.
________________________________________

According to CBS Sports' Ken Berger.

The executive, who works for an Eastern Conference team, went a step further, saying it's a well-known fact Love wants to play for the Los Angeles Lakers:


"They should trade him," one Eastern Conference executive said. "No one thinks he's staying. Everyone knows he wants to go to the Lakers."

__________________________________________


An unnamed NBA general manager reportedly told ESPN’s Chris Broussard that he believes, with 100 percent certainty, that Love will be wearing purple and gold in the summer of 2015.

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Sam Smith of Bulls.com tells us that Love is considering the opt-out in his contract that would make him an unrestricted free agent this summer and could be looking to signing with the Lakers to return to Los Angeles, where he went to college.

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Steve Kyler of Basketball Insiders noted, “So real money, let’s peg the Lakers at $22.1 million to play with, that’s enough for one serious max contract to an established veteran like [Greg] Monroe, Rondo or Love – and all three are said to be willing to meet with Lakers.

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ALonzo Mourning: Then you’ve got Kevin Love, who’s not happy at all. He’s outta there.

Where do you think Kevin Love is going to go? LA?

AM: I think he’s probably going to go to LA. I could see that.


________________________________________

This scenario has remained on the table for the last several years because of Love’s linkage to Los Angeles, combined with the numerous reports during his time with the Minnesota Timberwolves that he told his inner circle that he desired to play for Los Angeles.

[Optimus Prime]

Fixed bro

That's right, I forgot we have a top draft pick this year unless we get totally screwed in the lottery.

:banana:

No links for those quotes? :kobe:

[Levity]

I saw a story today that the Lakers will pursue DeMarre Carroll this summer, who is a nice young-ish 3 & D wing.



best thing i read in this thread, thus far.

[TheMan]

I hope he stays, the Cavs with LMA would really be much better than with KLove.

[wakencdukest]

#lakersentitlement



More like Lakers hate. Maxing out those 2 guys would set the rebuilding process back for years. :facepalm

[HurricaneKid]

I don't see how Portland is in a situation where they can bargain if he has decided to leave. He's an unrestricted free agent. What is stopping him from going to Portland and saying, "My two options are I either sign with this other team or you can S&T me to Cleveland for cap space and draft picks."

How would they have any leverage to demand a steeper price? Would Portland be willing to let him walk and get nothing over whatever it is that the Cavs have to offer?

Because if LMA wants to go to Cle he cannot do so without Port allowing it. They have a magnificent amount of leverage. And saying NOPE actually makes it far more likely that he comes back to Port.

As I mentioned earlier, when Bosh and LeBron left to places that had ALL the leverage (they didn't need permission as they had the cap space) the Raptors STILL ended up with a top 5 pick and another 1 and Cle ended up with 2 1sts and 2 2nds. They would have to destroy their roster to make Port happy.

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=G-Funk]I think if he does leave the Cavs it will be to the Lakers an here's why:

Lakers beat writer for the L.A. Times, Mike Bresnahan joined Fred Roggin on Friday afternoon to talk about the long season ahead for the team and their chances of landing Cleveland Cavaliers PF Kevin Love in the upcoming offseason.

I could see Kevin Love playing for the Lakers in a year, but it depends on what happens with Cleveland. Had Miami won the championship a year ago, LeBron might have stayed in Miami. If Cleveland wins the championship, it

[stephanieg]

I like these LA fans talking about Kobe, Love, and Rondo. It's like you're trying to construct the moodiest team of all time. Cue up Evanescence.

[G-Funk]

That's right, I forgot we have a top draft pick this year unless we get totally screwed in the lottery.

:banana:

No links for those quotes? :kobe:
copy these quotes and paste them on Google, and the articles will pull up

[Optimus Prime]

More like Lakers hate. Maxing out those 2 guys would set the rebuilding process back for years. :facepalm

Hello, I don't think you've been paying attention to the NBA. The salary cap is set to explode after next season. Projections have it at over $100 million in only 3 years or so.

Rondo won't get the max after the Mavs trashed his reputation (thanks Dallas!). Love is deserving of a max contract. We'll still have our pick this year (unless we get lottery screwed), and we still have Randle and Clarkson.

Hardly setting the rebuilding process "back for years". :rolleyes:

Of course, this is all a big IF. I'd say it's about 50/50 that Love bolts for LA. Winning cures a lot of ills, no matter how poorly he was treated by LeBeta and Cleveland.

:kobe:

[jzek]

He's not that good anyway. LeBron can recruit a replacement no probs.

[oh the horror]

He's not that good anyway. LeBron can recruit a replacement no probs.



Like who? Replacements aren't falling out of the sky. At some point there's only so much talent in this league.

[HOoopCityJones]

Lol who the fucc negged me and called me Lebron23? This forum, smh.

[HurricaneKid]

LeBron can recruit a replacement no probs.

But they will be capped out and unable to spend more than the MLE. Is anyone as good as Love going to be willing to play for 5.3M?

[RedBlackAttack]

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[Optimus Prime]

RBA meltdown in this thread is epic because I remember him saying last summer that the Cavs should not trade Wiggins for Love. :lol :applause:

[dubeta]

But they will be capped out and unable to spend more than the MLE. Is anyone as good as Love going to be willing to play for 5.3M?


Basically any spot up shooter. Playing defense not required

[Meticode]

Rondo and Love max deal in LA!!!! Please Mitch do it!
I hope they would do that. Rondo is f*cking terrible and has been a shell for his former self for literally years now. He benefited from three hall of famers that fit perfectly together during his learning period.

[Meticode]

RBA meltdown in this thread is epic because I remember him saying last summer that the Cavs should not trade Wiggins for Love. :lol :applause:
He probably still feels this way, but what are you going to do? Be in denial the whole time? You just have to go with the flow.

[gts]

More like Lakers hate. Maxing out those 2 guys would set the rebuilding process back for years. :facepalm

not condoning the free agents idea that was mentioned but maxing out two players in the next two years is really nothing considering you have Kobe coming off the books and a cap that's expected to be growing towards 100 million within 3 to 4 years...

Lakers will make moves but so far they've done well protecting that cap space and have set themselves up to be in really great shape financially for several years to come

[gts]

He probably still feels this way, but what are you going to do? Be in denial the whole time? You just have to go with the flow.
That and things change from year to year... nobody in his right mind is going to sit on an opinion when circumstances change from season to season

[wakencdukest]

not condoning the free agents idea that was mentioned but maxing out two players in the next two years is really nothing considering you have Kobe coming off the books and a cap that's expected to be growing towards 100 million within 3 to 4 years...

Lakers will make moves but so far they've done well protecting that cap space and have set themselves up to be in really great shape financially for several years to come




I agree, I wouldn't be against maxing out the right 2 free agents I'm just not a fan of Rondo's terrible shooting and shit attitude, and I'm not sure Love is the answer at PF. I'd be much more receptive to throwing a little money at Aldridge. And, the way Clarkson has been playing, Id like to see what he can become as the starter.

[gts]

I agree, I wouldn't be against maxing out the right 2 free agents I'm just not a fan of Rondo's terrible shooting and shit attitude, and I'm not sure Love is the answer at PF. I'd be much more receptive to throwing a little money at Aldridge. And, the way Clarkson has been playing, Id like to see what he can become as the starter.

Obviously the draft will shape things... And like you say Clarkson's play this year changes things.. I can see the Lakers going for a guard/SF in the draft and going after a big man in free agency

Rondo isn't getting a max, his value has taken a serious hit...

but everything hinges on the draft...

[Optimus Prime]

I agree, I wouldn't be against maxing out the right 2 free agents I'm just not a fan of Rondo's terrible shooting and shit attitude, and I'm not sure Love is the answer at PF. I'd be much more receptive to throwing a little money at Aldridge. And, the way Clarkson has been playing, Id like to see what he can become as the starter.

Rondo won't get away with that attitude around Kobe, nor do I think he would pull any sort of shenanigans if he was playing with a living legend that he admires. He's not going to get the max anyway (thanks Mavs!), so I think Rondo is a good choice as long as the contract is right.

Love is definitely a stud at PF; don't let LeBeta diminishing him into a spot-up 3-point shooter fool you. Love was a flat-out beast on some terrible Wolves teams.

LMA is good, but he is going to be 30 and has a pretty serious injury as well. I'd rather give that money to a 26 year old Kevin Love, who also has strong ties to the LA area.

But, it's all speculation at this point. :cheers:

[Magic 32]

Learn from the past Kevin!

http://www.dailyinfographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/raptor-dinosaur.jpg

[wakencdukest]

Rondo won't get away with that attitude around Kobe, nor do I think he would pull any sort of shenanigans if he was playing with a living legend that he admires. He's not going to get the max anyway (thanks Mavs!), so I think Rondo is a good choice as long as the contract is right.

Love is definitely a stud at PF; don't let LeBeta diminishing him into a spot-up 3-point shooter fool you. Love was a flat-out beast on some terrible Wolves teams.

LMA is good, but he is going to be 30 and has a pretty serious injury as well. I'd rather give that money to a 26 year old Kevin Love, who also has strong ties to the LA area.

But, it's all speculation at this point. :cheers:



Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Love, I just think he's a bit of a liability on D. I would feel better with a defensive minded shot blocking center next to him. But like GTS said, a lot of things also hinge on the draft, if they get one of the top 2 picks they might have different needs.

[RedBlackAttack]

RBA Meltdown Confirmed.

:banana:

Meltdown avoided.


Crow is being served, btw. Do you like it steamed, boiled or fried?


LOL. They haven't learned anything from Lebron. This offseason gonna be good:banana: :banana: :banana:


It's amusing watching RBA type novels to try and convince himself that there's nothing to worry about. :lol


Cavs traded Wiggins for nothing. RBA in meltdown mode:banana: :banana: :banana:


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[Droid101]

New meltdown.

[J Shuttlesworth]

RBA got these kids shook af :roll:

[Fudge]

RBA :yaohappy:

Kobe stans forever holding the L.

[J Shuttlesworth]

RBA :yaohappy:

Kobe stans forever holding the L.
Hey bro, how are all these W's treating you today? Such a winning day for you, me, and the family :applause:

[Fudge]

Hey bro, how are all these W's treating you today? Such a winning day for you, me, and the family :applause:
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[oh the horror]

Hey bro, how are all these W's treating you today? Such a winning day for you, me, and the family :applause:



Congrats on "W's" on a messageboard bro :roll: :roll: :roll:



Man, the Internet is like the lowly nerds paradise.


Guys like this and Fudge are finally a "somebody"

[dubeta]

Congrats on "W's" on a messageboard bro :roll: :roll: :roll:



Man, the Internet is like the lowly nerds paradise.


Guys like this and Fudge are finally a "somebody"


And yet even on a message board you are nobody. Nothing going on, a complete failure in life, rejected in the real world, and worthless to this message board. Just Pathetic

[warriorfan]

Congrats on "W's" on a messageboard bro :roll: :roll: :roll:



Man, the Internet is like the lowly nerds paradise.


Guys like this and Fudge are finally a "somebody"


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[J Shuttlesworth]

And yet even on a message board you are nobody. Nothing going on, a complete failure in life, rejected in the real world, and worthless to this message board. Just Pathetic
RAT poison :applause: :applause:

[oh the horror]

And yet even on a message board you are nobody. Nothing going on, a complete failure in life, rejected in the real world, and worthless to this message board. Just Pathetic




And you? Dude you're the biggest fail on this board imaginable. You get clowned by nearly EVERYONE here dude. You can't even score points online when you're trying to recreate a f*cking decent image for yourself f*ggot :yaohappy:

[oh the horror]

RAT poison :applause: :applause:



Oh please. It would take you, fudge and three dubetas (since that kid isn't a whole person on his own) to even give my balls a chill loser :oldlol:

[red1]

my boy RBA going in :applause:


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[Lebron23]

RBA stays winning.

[Hey Yo]

So one of the biggest idiots in US media history says something so it must be true. Stop slurping on his ***** you loser, Love is gone. Accept it
sizzled and ruined

[Fudge]

And yet even on a message board you are nobody. Nothing going on, a complete failure in life, rejected in the real world, and worthless to this message board. Just Pathetic
http://replygif.net/i/573.gif

[J Shuttlesworth]

Oh please. It would take you, fudge and three dubetas (since that kid isn't a whole person on his own) to even give my balls a chill loser :oldlol:
I don't know why you want 5 guys touching your balls, but I want no part of it.

[HomieWeMajor]

Retards
Back
Away
:applause:

[Hey Yo]

Have you guys learned nothing from Lebron?
Rose smoker, ruined