why is "The Shot" so famous

[kennethgriffin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5WUOnTxwPw

theres so much mystique and awe/lore about this "historic" moment in nba history


but is it really that special? or is it hyped just because its michael jordan and he does a fist pump kick after the fact. ( we all know how jordan fans are more impressed by jordans body gestures... ) like "the shrug"


i mean. out of all shots in nba history. that one is probably LEAST deserving of being known as "the shot"

a) it was against the sh*t cavaliers ( the worst city full of chokers in sports history )
b) it was only a 5 game series
c) it was a first round with nothing on the line ( both teams had no chance at a title )
d) it wasnt in a year they made the finals.. he got smacked around by detroit



i could probably think of 10 shots just off the top of my head more worthy of being nicknamed "the shot"


1. ray allen finals saving shot for heat
2. robert horry finals saving shot for spurs
3. kobe nba finals age 21 game winner in game 4
4. kobe finals game 2 saving shot
5. kobe playoff game winner vs spurs 2002 playoffs
6. kobe wcf sealing shot/spank in suns
7. robert horry wcf game winner vs kings
8. derek fisher 0.4 shot
9. even jordans shot in 1998 is more deserving even though it was an offensive foul push off
10. magic hook shot in nba finals game winner



notice i didnt mention kobes game winner vs the suns in round 1 during a year he didnt even make the finals? cause its equally worthless as jordans one vs clevetown bums




any more suggestions for a new "THE SHOT" nomination?

[kennethgriffin]

steve kerrs championship winning shot is also more deserving

paxson also won a title for jordan with a game winner


its funny how many times jordans been bailed out... probly even more than lebron

[navy]

You could have made a valid point/thread had you not littered your post with agenda.

[Prometheus]

MJ > Kobe

[Rose'sACL]

Cavs were the higher seed and had swept the bulls 6-0 in regular season. Series was tied 2-2.

MJ and the Bulls were down 100-99 to the Cavaliers with 3 seconds left in Deciding Game 5 of the first round of the Eastern Conference playoffs in 1989. Then "The Shot" happened. MJ scored a total of 44 points in that game.

Thanks to media and nike, it got overhyped even though it was a great moment on its own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E9xKoQCO3k

[ShawkFactory]

Wow what a waste of time.

[SugarHill]

its funny how many times jordans been bailed out... probly even more than lebron

How do you say that while putting Horry and Fisher in the top 10 shots? :lol

[Young X]

- It was a series winning shot.

- It was a do or die game (series tied 2-2, basically a game 7 back then). If Jordan misses, they lose the series.

- It was a huge upset. The Cavs were the 2nd seed, won 57 games and were a legit contenders up to that point. Bulls were underdogs, only won 47 games and were the 7th seed.

- Bulls eventually went on to the ECF without HCA, almost beating the Pistons because of it.

- Bulls dynasty might not have happened if he would've missed.

- He hung in the air.

[Rose'sACL]

- It was a series winning shot.

- It was a do or die game (series tied 2-2, basically a game 7 back then). If Jordan misses, they lose the series.

- It was a huge upset. The Cavs were the 2nd seed, won 57 games and were a legit contenders up to that point. Bulls were underdogs, only won 47 games and were the 7th seed.

- Bulls eventually went on to the ECF without HCA, almost beating the Pistons.

- Bulls dynasty might not have happened if he misses.

- He hung in the air.
it wasn't a huge upset.

it was a big win by chicago. That is it. Chicago media already was sure that bulls would win and most of the country's media was sure that it would be a tight series even if bulls don't win.

[K Xerxes]

kobe shot 6/24 in a game 7 and this guy talks about Jordan being bailed out. :lol

6 rings, 6 FMVPs, no finals game 7.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

MJ > Kobe

Now and forever.

[kennethgriffin]

How do you say that while putting Horry and Fisher in the top 10 shots? :lol


cause fishers shot didnt win kobe sh*t ( nore was it in the finals )

and horrys shot wasnt a finals series winner. infact it wasnt even a wcf winner. it was just a game winner in a non do or die position


both kerr and paxson won jordan 2 rings

ray allen won lebron his 1st real title

[PistonsFan#21]

How do you say that while putting Horry and Fisher in the top 10 shots? :lol

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[OldSchoolBBall]

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a) it was against the sh*t cavaliers ( the worst city full of chokers in sports history )

They had the second best record in the entire league and were loaded with talent. :facepalm


b) it was only a 5 game series

Granted, but that has pros and cons. You're only looking at the cons.


c) it was a first round with nothing on the line ( both teams had no chance at a title )

Cleveland certainly had a chance at a title - many people felt they were the team best equipped to handle Detroit. Sounds dumb to say that a top 3 team in the league full of young talent has "no chance" at a title - then again, this whole thread is dumb.



i could probably think of 10 shots just off the top of my head more worthy of being nicknamed "the shot"


1. ray allen finals saving shot for heat
2. robert horry finals saving shot for spurs
3. kobe nba finals age 21 game winner in game 4
4. kobe finals game 2 saving shot
5. kobe playoff game winner vs spurs 2002 playoffs
6. kobe wcf sealing shot/spank in suns
7. robert horry wcf game winner vs kings
8. derek fisher 0.4 shot
9. even jordans shot in 1998 is more deserving even though it was an offensive foul push off
10. magic hook shot in nba finals game winner


No bias there at all in your Lakers/Kobe centric list. :oldlol: :hammerhead:

[IllegalD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5WUOnTxwPw

theres so much mystique and awe/lore about this "historic" moment in nba history


but is it really that special? or is it hyped just because its michael jordan and he does a fist pump kick after the fact. ( we all know how jordan fans are more impressed by jordans body gestures... ) like "the shrug"


i mean. out of all shots in nba history. that one is probably LEAST deserving of being known as "the shot"

a) it was against the sh*t cavaliers ( the worst city full of chokers in sports history )
b) it was only a 5 game series
c) it was a first round with nothing on the line ( both teams had no chance at a title )
d) it wasnt in a year they made the finals.. he got smacked around by detroit



i could probably think of 10 shots just off the top of my head more worthy of being nicknamed "the shot"


1. ray allen finals saving shot for heat
2. robert horry finals saving shot for spurs
3. kobe nba finals age 21 game winner in game 4
4. kobe finals game 2 saving shot
5. kobe playoff game winner vs spurs 2002 playoffs
6. kobe wcf sealing shot/spank in suns
7. robert horry wcf game winner vs kings
8. derek fisher 0.4 shot
9. even jordans shot in 1998 is more deserving even though it was an offensive foul push off
10. magic hook shot in nba finals game winner



notice i didnt mention kobes game winner vs the suns in round 1 during a year he didnt even make the finals? cause its equally worthless as jordans one vs clevetown bums




any more suggestions for a new "THE SHOT" nomination?

I'm a huge Kobe/Lakers fan but...

Kobe's shot against the Pacers in the Finals WASN'T a game winner. (they were already up 1)

[kennethgriffin]

kobe shot 6/24 in a game 7 and this guy talks about Jordan being bailed out. :lol

6 rings, 6 FMVPs, no finals game 7.


kobe helped win the game for LA though at the end with a key shot/assist with legendary defense/rebounding for a finals game

no 1 guy won that game 7. it was a collective effort and boston shooting themselves in the foot

[K Xerxes]

cause fishers shot didnt win kobe sh*t ( nore was it in the finals )

You're right. Since we're talking about finals, Shaq won Kobe 3 rings, and Artest won his last one.

The great Kobe Bryant with one ring and a lifetime achievement MVP to rule them all.

[kennethgriffin]

I'm a huge Kobe/Lakers fan but...

Kobe's shot against the Pacers in the Finals WASN'T a game winner. (they were already up 1)


it sealed the game... it basically was the winner. if not officially. it was theoretically

still a better/more impressive/more meaningful shot than jordans against the cavs

[Beastmode88]

Agenda thread... MJ > Kobe in the clutch.

[navy]

it sealed the game... it basically was the winner. if not officially. it was theoretically

still a better/more impressive/more meaningful shot than jordans against the cavs
Counting near game winners now? :biggums:

[kennethgriffin]

You're right. Since we're talking about finals, Shaq won Kobe 3 rings, and Artest won his last one.

The great Kobe Bryant with one ring and a lifetime achievement MVP to rule them all.


we're talking about making key shots. and kobe hit most of the key shots for shaq. not the other way around

when the pressure was on... shaq flopped more often than not in his career.

kobe had the better career without shaq than shaq had without kobe.

kobe was picked over shaq by LA

kobe won 1 more title than shaq

kobe saved the 2000 WCF and nba Finals for shaq

kobe averaged all time record stats for a non mvp in the 2001 playoffs



lets just agree that shaq needed kobe way more than kobe needed shaq. we get in this conversation every day

and it always ends with the same outcome.

shaq needed legends to win

kobe only needed pau ( a nobody as far as legendary status is concerned )

pau gasol is good. but hes one of the all time WORST rated 2nd options in title history

87th all time on bbreference

[Hey Yo]

- It was a series winning shot.

- It was a do or die game (series tied 2-2, basically a game 7 back then). If Jordan misses, they lose the series.

- It was a huge upset. The Cavs were the 2nd seed, won 57 games and were a legit contenders up to that point. Bulls were underdogs, only won 47 games and were the 7th seed.

- Bulls eventually went on to the ECF without HCA, almost beating the Pistons because of it.

- Bulls dynasty might not have happened if he would've missed.

- He hung in the air.
Cavs were the 3 seed, Chicago 6th.

[kennethgriffin]

Counting near game winners now? :biggums:


kobe has like 50 or 60 legit game winners.

probably 500 go ahead eventual winners

atleast 25 buzzer beater winners

a lifetime of clutch shots



talk all the sh*t you want about the ones hes missed. doesnt take away the ones hes made

and atleast 5-10 of them are more impressive than jordans vs cleveland


dont get me wrong. jordans was nice. but "the shot" of all "shots"

lol no

[Dr Hawk]

Game winner and a series closing shot.

a) Those shitty Cavs won 10 games more than the Bulls, 57 for 47.
b) It was a Playoff series and thanks to that shot, Bulls advanced instead of the Cavs
c) Both teams had no chance for the title, so let's not try to do well and advance right? Nice competitive mindset
d)The Bad Boys were a clearly superior team, still managed to win 2 games.

[K Xerxes]

we're talking about making key shots. and kobe hit most of the key shots for shaq. not the other way around

when the pressure was on... shaq flopped more often than not in his career.

kobe had the better career without shaq than shaq had without kobe.

kobe was picked over shaq by LA

kobe won 1 more title than shaq

kobe saved the 2000 WCF and nba Finals for shaq

kobe averaged all time record stats for a non mvp in the 2001 playoffs



lets just agree that shaq needed kobe way more than kobe needed shaq. we get in this conversation every day

and it always ends with the same outcome.

shaq needed legends to win

kobe only needed pau ( a nobody as far as legendary status is concerned )

pau gasol is good. but hes one of the all time WORST rated 2nd options in title history

87th all time on bbreference

2000 finals:
Shaq - 38/17/3 on 61%
Kobe - 16/5/4 on 37%

2001 finals:
Shaq - 33/16/5 on 57%
Kobe - 25/8/6 on 42%

2002 finals:
Shaq - 36/12/4 on 60%
Kobe - 27/6/5 on 51%%

You're the one that bought up finals, not me.

[Hey Yo]

we're talking about making key shots. and kobe hit most of the key shots for shaq. not the other way around

when the pressure was on... shaq flopped more often than not in his career.

kobe had the better career without shaq than shaq had without kobe.

kobe was picked over shaq by LA

kobe won 1 more title than shaq

kobe saved the 2000 WCF and nba Finals for shaq

kobe averaged all time record stats for a non mvp in the 2001 playoffs



lets just agree that shaq needed kobe way more than kobe needed shaq. we get in this conversation every day

and it always ends with the same outcome.

shaq needed legends to win

kobe only needed pau ( a nobody as far as legendary status is concerned )

pau gasol is good. but hes one of the all time WORST rated 2nd options in title history

87th all time on bbreference
Kobe without Shaq (say Rik Smits or Yao Ming) and Kobe doesn't even get to the Finals.

Kobe missed practically 2 games in the 2000 Finals yet he saved Shaq??

[Young X]

Cavs were the 3 seed, Chicago 6th.My bad, Cleveland had the 2nd best record in the east though. They won 10 more games than the Bulls and were 6-0 against them in the regular season. Chicago should not have won that series.

[Optimus Prime]

OP making real Kobe fans look bad. :kobe:

If LeBeta is 4/10 on the clutch scale, and Kobe is a 10/10, then MJ is probably like...Infinity/10.

That Cavs team back then was rather good, and Ehlo was no bum. He was a skilled player and a great defender.

MJ > Kobe and always will be unless Kobe wins like 2 more rings, which is not gonna happen. And there's nothing wrong with that.

[Hey Yo]

My bad, Cleveland had the 2nd best record in the east though. They won 10 more games than the Bulls and were 6-0 against them in the regular season. Chicago should not have won that series.
Definitely weren't the favorites.

[Rose'sACL]

My bad, Cleveland had the 2nd best record in the east though. They won 10 more games than the Bulls and were 6-0 against them in the regular season. Chicago should not have won that series.
Chicago weren't the favorites but it wasn't that huge of an upset.

[LosBulls]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5WUOnTxwPw

theres so much mystique and awe/lore about this "historic" moment in nba history


but is it really that special? or is it hyped just because its michael jordan and he does a fist pump kick after the fact. ( we all know how jordan fans are more impressed by jordans body gestures... ) like "the shrug"


i mean. out of all shots in nba history. that one is probably LEAST deserving of being known as "the shot"

a) it was against the sh*t cavaliers ( the worst city full of chokers in sports history )
b) it was only a 5 game series
c) it was a first round with nothing on the line ( both teams had no chance at a title )
d) it wasnt in a year they made the finals.. he got smacked around by detroit



i could probably think of 10 shots just off the top of my head more worthy of being nicknamed "the shot"


1. ray allen finals saving shot for heat
2. robert horry finals saving shot for spurs
3. kobe nba finals age 21 game winner in game 4
4. kobe finals game 2 saving shot
5. kobe playoff game winner vs spurs 2002 playoffs
6. kobe wcf sealing shot/spank in suns
7. robert horry wcf game winner vs kings
8. derek fisher 0.4 shot
9. even jordans shot in 1998 is more deserving even though it was an offensive foul push off
10. magic hook shot in nba finals game winner



notice i didnt mention kobes game winner vs the suns in round 1 during a year he didnt even make the finals? cause its equally worthless as jordans one vs clevetown bums




any more suggestions for a new "THE SHOT" nomination?
http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/assets/4398543/portland.gif

[jimmybball]

It isn't just that it was Jordan, but that helps. All I have to say is "0.4" and you know of another special thought that also did not lead to a championship. That shot was only the 2nd round.

[Rake2204]

Chicago weren't the favorites but it wasn't that huge of an upset.All things considered, Cleveland going down in the first round that year was a pretty big deal. The Cavs were loaded and were on pace for a 60+ win season before faulting a little near the finish line (I think they finished 9-8 and still ended up with 57 wins). They started off the season by going 24-5 and were also giving the Pistons the business before Detroit picked up Mark Aguirre.

All told, the Cavs were a team with the symptoms of a number one seed but the misfortune of ending up in the three spot. The Bulls were known to be dangerous, but it was still a pretty big deal to come out and drop a team that'd been running the narrative all year.

[Optimus Prime]

http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/assets/4398543/portland.gif

Posting a Lillard shot that isn't even in the Top 50 of clutch shots. He wasn't even defended (Parson's token late contest does not count), and it wasn't even an elimination game for Portland.

:biggums:

Edit: Oops meant Portland lol...it was an elimination game for Houston, which was awesome.

[jimmybball]

Posting a Lillard shot that isn't even in the Top 50 of clutch shots. He wasn't even defended (Parson's token late contest does not count), and it wasn't even an elimination game for Houston.

:biggums:

It was an elimination game for Houston. Did you mean it wasn't do or die for Portland?

[Optimus Prime]

It was an elimination game for Houston. Did you mean it wasn't do or die for Portland?

Yes, silly typo, considering I was marking out at the time seeing Fright Coward embarrassed in the first round. :facepalm

[KiiiiNG]

its everything...

the acrobatic shot, the celebration, the call...

kobe has nothing close as famous as that. never will.

[J Shuttlesworth]

These days, I think of my av when I hear "the shot"

[LosBulls]

Posting a Lillard shot that isn't even in the Top 50 of clutch shots. He wasn't even defended (Parson's token late contest does not count), and it wasn't even an elimination game for Portland.

:biggums:

Edit: Oops meant Portland lol...it was an elimination game for Houston, which was awesome.
If you think about it, Lillards shot was more difficult than Jordan.

Parsons contested the shot almost exactly the same as Ehlo did Jordan, and the shot was a long 3 pointer, and less time on the clock.

[Optimus Prime]

If you think about it, Lillards shot was more difficult than Jordan.

Parsons contested the shot almost exactly the same as Ehlo did Jordan, and the shot was a long 3 pointer, and less time on the clock.

:facepalm :banghead:

Just no. :no:

[3ball]

it wasn't a huge upset.


Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 59.8% TS.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 54.9% TS.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 64.6% TS.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 53.7% TS.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 59.8% TS.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 53.7% TS.. 44.9% FG)

[kennethgriffin]

These days, I think of my av when I hear "the shot"
easly the most meaningful shot in nba history

lebron owes his entire career to ray allen

without him he's basically 1 for 5 with the only 1 coming in a lockout year


it altered history greatly not just for lebron

but it also stopped duncan from going 6 for 6 in the finals


even if duncan isnt that great anymore and a role player these days.... thats still amazing.

[SuperPippen]

It's been extremely entertaining to watch kenneth progress further and further into his own world of delusion. :lol


The man literally has nothing to live for now that Kobe's washed up.

[3ball]

These days, I think of my av when I hear "the shot"


MJ is credited with TWO game winners in that game - none one else listed itt (lillard, ray allen) hit TWO game-saving shots - MJ hit the go ahead with 6 seconds left that appeared to be the game winner.. But the Cavs hit a would-be game winner with 2 seconds left, which left just enough time for the REAL game winner.. the shot

New fans don't realize that the Cavs were a 57-win team with 3 all-stars (Price, Nance, Daughtery) and a budding superstar in SG Ron Harper.. and the league's #2 defense.. It was a foregone conclusion that they would battle Detroit to make the Finals.

EVERY media outlet predicted the Cavs would easily beat the 47-win Bulls - that shot not only propelled the Bulls past the first round for the first time, but it propelled them to the conference finals and perennial contender status from that point forward.

Here's Sam Smith telling the story of how BEFORE Game 5, MJ predicted Bulls victory and told off each of the 3 newspaper reporters who predicted a Cavs series win:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=17m37s

[scm5]

Kobe without Shaq (say Rik Smits or Yao Ming) and Kobe doesn't even get to the Finals.

Kobe missed practically 2 games in the 2000 Finals yet he saved Shaq??

I'm pretty sure he meant reality, not theoretically. Pre-Kobe, Shaq didn't win shit. Post-Kobe, he won playing second fiddle to a Wade that was playing out of his mind.

Kobe won 2 titles as the man without Shaq.

Not saying Kobe is better than Shaq, just saying this is what he's saying.

[J Shuttlesworth]

MJ is credited with TWO game winners in that game - none one else listed itt (lillard, ray allen) hit TWO game-saving shots - MJ hit the go ahead with 6 seconds left that appeared to be the game winner.. But the Cavs hit a would-be game winner with 2 seconds left, which left just enough time for the REAL game winner.. the shot

New fans don't realize that the Cavs were a 57-win team with 3 all-stars (Price, Nance, Daughtery) and a budding superstar in SG Ron Harper.. and the league's #2 defense.. It was a foregone conclusion that they would battle Detroit to make the Finals.

EVERY media outlet predicted the Cavs would easily beat the 47-win Bulls - that shot not only propelled the Bulls past the first round for the first time, but it propelled them to the conference finals and perennial contender status from that point forward.

Here's Sam Smith telling the story of how BEFORE Game 5, MJ predicted Bulls victory and told off each of the 3 newspaper reporters who predicted a Cavs series win:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=17m37s
Dude come on.. There is no such thing as 2 game winners

Only one shot can win the game.

[3ball]

Dude come on.. There is no such thing as 2 game winners

Only one shot can win the game.


ESPN's list of clutch playoff shots (go-ahead shots with less than 10 seconds) shows MJ at #1 with 9-18, but that INCLUDES Jordan's would-be game-winner against the Cavs in 1989.

Here's the go-ahead shot that I'm talking about..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZWw-wfH0mo&t=6m16s

Everyone thought the game was over after this shot - it takes extra resolve to go out there and to it AGAIN - that's partly what made the shot so remarkable - for most guys, it's too much of a mental roller coaster to have their initial game-winner superceded..

But MJ got over it real quick, refocused and went out there and did it AGAIN.. That's kind of what he does in general.. The fact that he'd boasted so much to the media before hand only added to the pressure - no player today has it like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=17m37s

[Nick Young]

Horry vs the Kings and .4 seconds from Fish was better.

[KiiiiNG]

ESPN's list of clutch playoff shots (go-ahead shots with less than 10 seconds) shows MJ at #1 with 9-18, but that INCLUDES Jordan's would-be game-winner against the Cavs in 1989.

Here's the go-ahead shot that I'm talking about..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZWw-wfH0mo&t=6m16s

Everyone thought the game was over after this shot - it takes extra resolve to go out there and to it AGAIN - that's partly what made the shot so remarkable - for most guys, it's too much of a mental roller coaster to have their initial game-winner superceded..

But MJ got over it real quick, refocused and went out there and did it AGAIN.. That's kind of what he does in general.. The fact that he'd boasted so much to the media before hand only added to the pressure - no player today has it like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=17m37s
"phil jackson was never the coach of that team... michael jordan was the coach. jordan was the one that yelled at them.. jordan was the one they feared... jordan was the standard they had to live up to"

:applause:

[Wade's Rings]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5WUOnTxwPw

a) it was against the sh*t cavaliers ( the worst city full of chokers in sports history )
b) it was only a 5 game series
c) it was a first round with nothing on the line ( both teams had no chance at a title )
d) it wasnt in a year they made the finals.. he got smacked around by detroit

A. The Cavs were a Top 5 Defense that year(not 100% sure). The Cavs were also the Favorites in that series and IIRC predicted to sweep.
B. 5 Games was the max at the time. The equivalent to a 7 Game series today.
C. Still an excellent series.
D. His Bulls were the only team to beat Detroit that Postseason And they did it twice. They held a 2-1 lead IIRC.

[FKAri]

NBA/Nike hype machine. There's a "shot" of that caliber a couple times in every playoffs. MJ still played an incredible game tho.

[KG215]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5WUOnTxwPw

theres so much mystique and awe/lore about this "historic" moment in nba history


but is it really that special? or is it hyped just because its michael jordan and he does a fist pump kick after the fact. ( we all know how jordan fans are more impressed by jordans body gestures... ) like "the shrug"


i mean. out of all shots in nba history. that one is probably LEAST deserving of being known as "the shot"

a) it was against the sh*t cavaliers ( the worst city full of chokers in sports history )
b) it was only a 5 game series
c) it was a first round with nothing on the line ( both teams had no chance at a title )
d) it wasnt in a year they made the finals.. he got smacked around by detroit



i could probably think of 10 shots just off the top of my head more worthy of being nicknamed "the shot"


1. ray allen finals saving shot for heat
2. robert horry finals saving shot for spurs
3. kobe nba finals age 21 game winner in game 4
4. kobe finals game 2 saving shot
5. kobe playoff game winner vs spurs 2002 playoffs
6. kobe wcf sealing shot/spank in suns
7. robert horry wcf game winner vs kings
8. derek fisher 0.4 shot
9. even jordans shot in 1998 is more deserving even though it was an offensive foul push off
10. magic hook shot in nba finals game winner



notice i didnt mention kobes game winner vs the suns in round 1 during a year he didnt even make the finals? cause its equally worthless as jordans one vs clevetown bums




any more suggestions for a new "THE SHOT" nomination?
Had to read a little longer but, as usual, your agenda reared its ugly head.

[Rose'sACL]

Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan: CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 59.8% TS.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron: WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 54.9% TS.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan: NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 64.6% TS.. 55.0% FG)
2nd Round Lebron: NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 53.7% TS.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan: DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 59.8% TS.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron: DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 53.7% TS.. 44.9% FG)
what does that have to do with anything?

do you have some type of of mental illness?

MJ played a great game and that shot was pretty great but that shot is still overhyped. Calling it "the shot" is overhyping it in itself.

only shot that should be called "the shot" should be an NBA finals Game 7 game winner on the buzzer. I am not sure if that has happened before but that can only be the one worthy of being called "the shot". Calling a first round game winner as "the shot" is overhyping it no matter how good it was.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

what does that have to do with anything?

do you have some type of of mental illness?

I don't remember the last time 3ball posted anything original. He just copy+pastes garbage he's already posted.

[KG215]

it sealed the game... it basically was the winner. if not officially. it was theoretically

still a better/more impressive/more meaningful shot than jordans against the cavs
:oldlol:

For f**k's sake you have to be the most blinded, hypocritical stan on ISH. People throw your own shitty ass logic, cherry-picked criteria for determining something back in your face and you counter with nothing but excuses and moving the goalposts.

I know you're a troll and don't believe 90% of the bullshit you post, but it still amazes me that you've settled on this very juvenile, simple-minded way of arguing your "Kobe Gives me Erections" agenda.

[dreamwarrior]

Same reason why dikembe winning his first series was so memorable. Mj was dikembe at that point. Everyone wanted to see mj get closer to a ring

[6 for 24]

As usual, I agree with kenneth, who, in my most humble opinion, is the most knowledgeable poster here.

That said, at least here in Mozambique, we do not acknowledge this so-called meaningless first-round hoist by Jordan as "the shot". Nay, thanks to some heavy campaigning by myself and my fellow Kobe stans, "the shot" now refers to the Mamba's famous last-second game-winner in the 2010 NBA Finals, to cap off his signature 39 PER (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324201)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

IMO, its "famous" because of 2 things:

A) The artistry and subsequent celebration (all one in the same, tbh).
B) High stakes; not only a GW in an elimination, do or die game, but also against a team the Bulls going into that series were picked against (in their regular season matchups, Cleveland looked like juggernauts by comparison).

What I always get outta the shot, though, is PJax running to Doug Collins during the celebration. Guy ended up winning 6 rings chips w/ this team. :oldlol:

[hahaitme]

MJ is credited with TWO game winners in that game - none one else listed itt (lillard, ray allen) hit TWO game-saving shots - MJ hit the go ahead with 6 seconds left that appeared to be the game winner.. But the Cavs hit a would-be game winner with 2 seconds left, which left just enough time for the REAL game winner.. the shot

New fans don't realize that the Cavs were a 57-win team with 3 all-stars (Price, Nance, Daughtery) and a budding superstar in SG Ron Harper.. and the league's #2 defense.. It was a foregone conclusion that they would battle Detroit to make the Finals.

EVERY media outlet predicted the Cavs would easily beat the 47-win Bulls - that shot not only propelled the Bulls past the first round for the first time, but it propelled them to the conference finals and perennial contender status from that point forward.

Here's Sam Smith telling the story of how BEFORE Game 5, MJ predicted Bulls victory and told off each of the 3 newspaper reporters who predicted a Cavs series win:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIY_4vIxGEE&t=17m37s

Player A
- Received ball off inbounds (had time to think)
- Down by 1, hit a 2
- 1st round
- Went on to lose the ECF

Player B
- Received ball off an offensive board from teammate
- Backpedaled to the 3pt line, because they were down by 3, and he had to hit a 3
- Finals
- Went on to win championship

Obviously this player A, player B thing doesn't work here, but you can't tell me that if Player B's name was Michael Jordan you wouldn't think twice about saying B's shot shits on A's

[Roundball_Rock]

The answer to the OP is it was MJ's first--of many--iconic playoff moments. If MJ did nothing in the playoffs beyond that no one would care about it after a year or so.

[andgar923]

People forget that MJ guaranteed to win the series, even they're own city's reporters counted them out.

[tmacattack33]

OP usually makes no sense at all, but I was surprised to hear that this shot was in round 1.

That is pretty strange that this shot is so famous, it if was only the first round.

[sportjames23]

Because Cleveland was supposed to challenge Detroit for supremacy in the East and become the "Team of the 90s", a title Magic Johnson attributed to them.

Because they swept Chicago during the regular season 6-0.

Because Chicago regressed from the year before, when they won 50 games and beat Cleveland in the first round of the 1988 playoffs, the Bulls first playoff series win lead by MJ.

Because Chicago's own sportswriters literally wrote them off.

Because before the series began, MJ guaranteed them that the Bulls would win the series. He missed crucial free throws in Game 4 in Chicago, where the Cavs won in OT, sending the series back to Cleveland.

Because it was an epic, back and forth game, with MJ scoring 44 points on the road in hostile territory--finishing off with true game-winning shot (i.e. NO time left on the clock) that almost demolished one franchise while lifting another. Cleveland wouldn't be the same until the 1992 season, while Chicago went on to beat an up and coming Knicks team, who had the home court advantage, and then challenge Detroit for the next two seasons until they finally got over the hump and became champions.

That answer your question, OP?

[Rose'sACL]

People forget that MJ guaranteed to win the series, even they're own city's reporters counted them out.
No, they didn't . they were mad that it went to 5 and were questioning MJ's play style which was the reason MJ promised a win..
It wasn't a big upset like mj fans claim. It was always expected to be a tight series with national media favoring cavs a little and Chicago media favoring the bulls as they were biased. You can call it an upset but certainly not a big upset.
Most people got off the cavs bandwagon train after their poor ending to the regular season. Detroit was expected to win the east in 5/6 games no matter who they faced.

[sportjames23]

OP usually makes no sense at all, but I was surprised to hear that this shot was in round 1.

That is pretty strange that this shot is so famous, it if was only the first round.


You see how exciting this years Clippers vs Spurs series was? Bulls vs Cavs '89 was like that, only more exciting.

And back then, the first round was on a five-game series.

[sportjames23]

No, they didn't . they were mad that it went to 5 and were questioning MJ's play style which was the reason MJ promised a win..
It wasn't a big upset like mj fans claim. It was always expected to be a tight series with national media favoring cavs a little and Chicago media favoring the bulls as they were biased. You can call it an upset but certainly not a big upset.


You ****ing liar. I'll post a Sports Illustrated article from back then that says exactly what andgar said.

MJ told the Chicago beat writers the Bulls would win BEFORE the series began, and as the Bulls won each game, he went to each writer who said the Bulls would lose in 3, 4 or 5 games and checked their asses.

And it was a HUGE upset, because Cleveland was poised to challenge Detroit in the East for the next few years.

This ass calls himself a Bulls fan. :rolleyes:

[305Baller]

The shot is deserving of our respect and admiration due to the shot itself, the point in Jordan's career that it happened and Jordan's career overall.

[dubeta]

Because Cleveland was supposed to challenge Detroit for supremacy in the East and become the "Team of the 90s", a title Magic Johnson attributed to them.

Because they swept Chicago during the regular season 6-0.

Because Chicago regressed from the year before, when they won 50 games and beat Cleveland in the first round of the 1988 playoffs, the Bulls first playoff series win lead by MJ.

Because Chicago's own sportswriters literally wrote them off.

Because before the series began, MJ guaranteed them that the Bulls would win the series. He missed crucial free throws in Game 4 in Chicago, where the Cavs won in OT, sending the series back to Cleveland.

Because it was an epic, back and forth game, with MJ scoring 44 points on the road in hostile territory--finishing off with true game-winning shot (i.e. NO time left on the clock) that almost demolished one franchise while lifting another. Cleveland wouldn't be the same until the 1992 season, while Chicago went on to beat an up and coming Knicks team, who had the home court advantage, and then challenge Detroit for the next two seasons until they finally got over the hump and became champions.

That answer your question, OP?

Such a choker :oldlol:

[Rose'sACL]

You ****ing liar. I'll post a Sports Illustrated article from back then that says exactly what angar said.

MJ told the Chicago beat writers the Bulls would win BEFORE the series began, and as the Bulls won each game, he went to each writer who said the Bulls would lose in 3, 4 or 5 games and checked their asses.

And it was a HUGE upset, because Cleveland was poised to challenge Detroit in the East for the next few years.

This ass calls himself a Bulls fan. :rolleyes:
Became a bulls fan in 1930. You kids don't know shit.
As I said. It wasn't a big upset.you can call it an upset but not a big upset. Big upset would be this year's celtics beating the cavs.
A shot in first round of the playoffs doesn't deserve to be called "the shot" unless a 35 win team beats a 60 win team.

It was a great shot but it is over hyped because it is called "the shot".

[Prometheus]

Became a bulls fan in 1930

I beg your pardon?

[SpecialQue]

Why are you such a stupid asshole?

[Rose'sACL]

I beg your pardon?
What?

[305Baller]

I beg your pardon?

Yeah, 1930. When they played with actual bulls on the team.

[Prometheus]

What?

Tell me when you became a Bulls fan.

[Rose'sACL]

Tell me when you became a Bulls fan.
1931, I lied.

[Prometheus]

1931, I lied.

I'm gonna punch your f*cking teeth out.

[305Baller]

I'm gonna punch your f*cking teeth out.

:roll:

[Rose'sACL]

I'm gonna punch your f*cking teeth out.
They are already out. You kids can't even guess the age even after I tell u that I have been watching basketball since 1931.

[Prometheus]

They are already out. You kids can't even guess the age even after I tell u that I have been watching basketball since 1931.

Fine then I'll dump your bed pan into your breakfast porridge you gimpy weasel.

[305Baller]

They are already out. You kids can't even guess the age even after I tell u that I have been watching basketball since 1931.

:pimp:

[funnystuff]

every one of OPs posts are agenda driven, never rolled my eyes so much at a user :oldlol:

[305Baller]

Fine then I'll dump your bed pan into your breakfast porridge you gimpy weasel.

#witness :roll:

[305Baller]

every one of OPs posts are agenda driven, never rolled my eyes so much at a user :oldlol:

He's Isiah Thomas, what do you expect?

[Roundball_Rock]

Another factor is it happened against Cleveland--during the same period Cleveland suffered "The Fumble" and "The Drive" in football (I believe both were in the AFC championship game). Had this happened against any other team it would not have such a hyped moniker, although, in light of what happened subsequently in MJ's career it would have remained well-remembered.

Regarding CHI vs. CLE, it is true the Bulls were underdogs but they were no ordinary 47-35 win team. They started the year 13-12 but then went on a roll as soon as Pippen finally became a permanent starter (posting stats as a starter that were similar to his 90' stats, which made him an all-star), winning 9 of 11 games. The Bulls actually were 45-28 but went into a tailspin, triggered by consecutive losses to Detroit, to close the year and hence finished 47-35. Their talent level was not that of a generic 47 win team.

In the playoffs they beat the #2 seeded Knicks in 6 games in the ECSF and showed fairly well against Detroit in the ECF. The Bulls actually won Game 1 and also held a 2-1 series lead. One of their losses came in a game where Pippen got hurt and played only a minute. All of Chicago's losses were by single digits so it is not as if they were getting blown out.

The same group won 55 games and the #2 seed the following year. The "David vs. Goliath" story is great but misleading. The Bulls were underdogs but not as overmatched as the narrative suggests. Regarding MJ, excellent series, playoff run and legendary shot. I think the play was originally not even designed for him--MJ was to be a decoy (I think it was designed for Corzine? :lol ) but MJ, being MJ, demanded the ball. The rest is history. :pimp:

[305Baller]

Another factor is it happened against Cleveland--during the same period Cleveland suffered "The Fumble" and "The Drive" in football (I believe both were in the AFC championship game). Had this happened against any other team it would not have such a hyped moniker, although, in light of what happened subsequently in MJ's career it would have remained well-remembered.

Regarding CHI vs. CLE, it is true the Bulls were underdogs but they were no ordinary 47-35 win team. They started the year 13-12 but then went on a roll as soon as Pippen finally became a permanent starter (posting stats as a starter that were similar to his 90' stats, which made him an all-star), winning 9 of 11 games. The Bulls actually were 45-28 but went into a tailspin, triggered by consecutive losses to Detroit, to close the year and hence finished 47-35. Their talent level was not that of a generic 47 win team.

In the playoffs they beat the #2 seeded Knicks in 6 games in the ECSF and showed fairly well against Detroit in the ECF. The Bulls actually won Game 1 and also held a 2-1 series lead. One of their losses came in a game where Pippen got hurt and played only a minute. All of Chicago's losses were by single digits so it is not as if they were getting blown out.

The same group won 55 games and the #2 seed the following year. The "David vs. Goliath" story is great but misleading. The Bulls were underdogs but not as overmatched as the narrative suggests. Regarding MJ, excellent series, playoff run and legendary shot. I think the play was originally not even designed for him--MJ was to be a decoy (I think it was designed for Corzine? :lol ) but MJ, being MJ, demanded the ball. The rest is history. :pimp:

Cursed. LeBald voodoo has it's work cut out for it.

[Mr. Jabbar]

no idea