Where Does CP3 Rank if Clippers Win?

[DFish24]

Where would CP3 rank on your GOAT list if the Clippers win the title and he wins FMVP?

[bigkingsfan]

Past Kobe, so 26.

[SpecialQue]

Way above Lebron, but several places under Kobe.

[Mr. Jabbar]

with 1 real ring he passes lebald 30ish spot and ends somewhere in the 15-23 category. a couple more rings with only 1 star teammate and he could enter the top 10. if he has a 80+ pt game he might as well enter the top 5

f lebald and his gifted nba memorabilia

[L.Kizzle]

Probably around the Payton-Kidd-Nash trio. Wherever that is.

[ClipperRevival]

I would rank him the 2nd best pg ever. As for all time, that's tough because I never really thought about his place on that list because it was missing a ring. But assuming he adds a ring and fmvp, his career would be complete. I know that few players have so positively impacted the game like him. He is the most complete pg ever. He really didn't have a weakness except for his height and possibly being too passive at times.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

It would be undeniable that hes top 3 PG ever along w/ Magic and Oscar. He would be top 20 over Wade and Bran:applause: :applause:

[kennethgriffin]

this would be my new top 30


1A. Kareem Abdul Jabbar

1B. Michael Jordan

3. Bill Russell

4A. Kobe Bryant

4B. Magic Johnson

6. Wilt Chamberlain

7. Larry Bird

8. Tim Duncan

9. Shaquille O'Neal

10. Hakeem Olajuwon

11. Lebron James

12. Oscar Robertson

13. Moses Malone

14. Jerry West

15. Julius Erving

16. George Mikan

17. Bob Pettit

18. Karl Malone

19. Kevin Garnett

20. Elgin Baylor

21. John Havlicek

22. Dirk Nowitzki

23. Dwyane Wade

24. Charles Barkley

25. David Robinson

26. Scottie Pippen

27. Rick Barry

28. Isiah Thomas

29. Chris Paul

30. John Stockton

[bizil]

GOAT wise, u would have to start thinking about CP3 in the top 10 PG's. He still has a lot of his career to play. And its inevitable that's he's gonna rise up the top 10 GOAT charts and shake shit around. But I couldn't rank him ahead guys like Kidd, Stockton, Nash, Frazier, or Payton yet.

Numbers wise, he's got 13,060 points and 6,950 dimes at age 30. People don't realize it, but he has a GREAT SHOT to be the first PG ever to have 20,000 points and 10,000 assists.

Peak wise, I think u could argue CP3 a top 5 of all time PG RIGHT NOW!! And in the two way sense, I think CP3, Payton, and Frazier are the top three PG's ever.

[L.Kizzle]

GOAT wise, u would have to start thinking about CP3 in the top 10 PG's.
He's there already. In ten seasons he has 8 all-star games, six all-nba teams (four 1st teams) and four all-d first teams (six total.) Four assist titles. Playoffs seven seasons.

He's passed up people like Tiny.

[Beastmode88]

this would be my new top 30


1A. Kareem Abdul Jabbar

1B. Michael Jordan

3. Bill Russell

4A. Kobe Bryant

4B. Magic Johnson

6. Wilt Chamberlain

7. Larry Bird

8. Tim Duncan

9. Shaquille O'Neal

10. Hakeem Olajuwon

11. Lebron James

12. Oscar Robertson

13. Moses Malone

14. Jerry West

15. Julius Erving

16. George Mikan

17. Bob Pettit

18. Karl Malone

19. Kevin Garnett

20. Elgin Baylor

21. John Havlicek

22. Dirk Nowitzki

23. Dwyane Wade

24. Charles Barkley

25. David Robinson

26. Scottie Pippen

27. Rick Barry

28. Isiah Thomas

29. Chris Paul

30. John Stockton

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Kobe 4.

[thefatmiral]

not much then he was before. he should have been exited the first but the spurs just didnt show up

[yobore]

not much then he was before.
I agree because he's already #2 at his position and people aren't going to rank him higher than Magic.

Statistically he's got it all, #1 career offensive rating, #3 WS/48, #6 PER, consistantly great game log based numbers like +/-, RPM, etc. A ring takes away the weakness on his resume which is team playoff success.

[bizil]

He's there already. In ten seasons he has 8 all-star games, six all-nba teams (four 1st teams) and four all-d first teams (six total.) Four assist titles. Playoffs seven seasons.

He's passed up people like Tiny.

I think he's arguably up there too already. But what about a guy like Tony Parker? People sleep on Tony but dude has four rings, six all star games, a Finals MVP, over 17,000 career points, and four All NBA teams. As great as Tiny was, I can see CP3 over him. But THE MAIN GUY I'm talking about was Parker:

Magic
Big O
Isiah
Stockton
Frazier
Kidd
Cousy
Payton
Nash
Parker

People shit on Tony at times, but for me he's a top 10 GOAT PG. 17,000 points, four rings, and Finals MVP. Right now I got CP3 at #11. But its inevitable that he's gonna be a top 3-4 GOAT PG if he stays healthy.

[L.Kizzle]

I think he's arguably up there too. But what about a guy like Tony Parker? People sleep on Tony but dude has 4 rings, six all star games, a Finals MVP, four All NBA teams, over 17,000 career points, and four All NBA teams. As great as Tiny was, I can see CP3 over him. But THE MAIN GUY I'm talking about was Parker:

Magic
Big O
Isiah
Stockton
Frazier
Kidd
Cousy
Payton
Nash
Parker

People shit on Tony at times, but for me he's a top 10 GOAT PG. 17,000 points, four rings, and Finals MVP. I got CP3 at #11. But its inevitable that he's a top 3-4 GOAT PG if he stays healthy.
CP3 over Parker, no contest. I like Parker, but he's not in those guys league.

That's like putting Robert Parish in the top ten centers list because he has four rings and 9 All-Star games and over 23,000 points and over 14,000 rebounds.

[kennethgriffin]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Kobe 4.


why is that funny

7 NBA finals
5 NBA championships
2 Finals MVP's
1 Season MVP
2 Olympics Gold Medals
1 Olympic Gold medal game MVP
beat 25 playoff teams with 50+ wins in the playoffs (nba record)
35ppg peak average (only 3 players had higher averages)
28ppg career average as a starter (3rd all time)
30+ point games: 425 ( 2nd most all time )
40+ point games: 119 ( 3rd most all time )
50+ point games: 24 ( 3rd most all time )
60+ point games: 5 ( 2nd most all time )
70+ point games: 1 ( 2nd most all time )
80+ point games: 1 ( 2nd most all time )
11 time first team all NBA ( nba record )
9 time first team all NBA ( nba record )
17 consecutive allstar games ( nba record )
17 consecutive allstar starts ( nba record )
4 time allstar game MVP ( nba record )
most allstar game points scored
all time regular season Guard scoring leader
3rd most points ever scored
3rd most playoff points ever scored
Dime Magazine Player of the decade ( 2000's )
Slam Magazine Player of the decade ( 2000's )
TNT player of the decade ( 2000's )
most game winning shots in nba history



:confusedshrug:

[SpecialQue]

While I agree he seems like a sack of shit, some people here are really exposing the fact they know zero about how the law works.

[kennethgriffin]

only 3 guys have hard clear cut better careers than kobe

period

[LoneyROY7]

High. Really f*cking high.

[bizil]

CP3 over Parker, no contest. I like Parker, but he's not in those guys league.

That's like putting Robert Parish in the top ten centers list because he has four rings and 9 All-Star games and over 23,000 points and over 14,000 rebounds.

Peak wise, CP3 for sure. GOAT wise, Parker's case at PG is MUCH MORE SOLID than Parish at center. For starters, the Finals MVP carries a lot of weight. Secondly, Parker is known as one of the best slashing PG's of all time.

He was always among the NBA's best when it came to points in the paint. Scoring wise, Parker was just as good or better than CP3. The difference was defense and passing.

I've ALSO heard many analysts in the past say that Tony was ARUGABLY the best PG in basketball. I'm not saying I agree with that cause I've thought CP3 has been the best PG for a long time. BUT Parish was never EVEN ARGUED as the best center in the league. Over time, Parker became the best player on the Spurs. Parish WAS NEVER CONSIDERED THE BEST PLAYER ON ANY TEAM HE'S PLAYED ON!!

AT LEAST Parker has been argued as the best PG in basketball. For you to compare Parish to Tony Parker is shaky as hell. That's a bad comparison. Parker was more feared at his position than Parish ever was.

[ClipperRevival]

Prime Parker was pretty devastating offensively but to me, he is class below CP3. Paul is the most complete pg ever. He really had no weaknesses in his game. What he brought to the table for your team in the positive department was matched by few in history. He almost always makes the right basketball decision and never turns the ball over. He gives your offense a good shot on almost every possession and played lights out D. All of the advanced analytics only back up my points.

There are few guys in history who can positively impact a team like him. I really think you could put him on any team in history and he automatically makes them playoff contenders and will get you to 45ish wins. Parker just didn't have that overall game or impact.

[L.Kizzle]

Peak wise, CP3 for sure. GOAT wise, Parker's case at PG is MUCH MORE SOLID than Parish at center. For starters, the Finals MVP carries a lot of weight. Secondly, Parker is known as one of the best slashing PG's of all time.

He was always among the NBA's best when it came to points in the paint. Scoring wise, Parker was just as good or better than CP3. The difference was defense and passing.

I've ALSO heard many analysts in the past say that Tony was ARUGABLY the best PG in basketball. I'm not saying I agree with that cause I've thought CP3 has been the best PG for a long time. BUT Parish was never EVEN ARGUED as the best center in the league. Over time, Parker became the best player on the Spurs. Parish WAS NEVER CONSIDERED THE BEST PLAYER ON ANY TEAM HE'S PLAYED ON!!

AT LEAST Parker has been argued as the best PG in basketball. For you to compare Parish to Tony Parker is shaky as hell. That's a bad comparison. Parker was more feared at his position than Parish ever was.
Worthy might be a better comparison.

[PsychoBe]

Prime Parker was pretty devastating offensively but to me, he is class below CP3. Paul is the most complete pg ever. He really had no weaknesses in his game. What he brought to the table for your team in the positive department was matched by few in history. He almost always makes the right basketball decision and never turns the ball over. He gives your offense a good shot on almost every possession and played lights out D. All of the advanced analytics only back up my points.

There are few guys in history who can positively impact a team like him. I really think you could put him on any team in history and he automatically makes them playoff contenders and will get you to 45ish wins. Parker just didn't have that overall game or impact.

:facepalm

scoring less than 8 points en-route to a first round exit against memphis and being outplayed by mike conley makes you the most complete pg ever?

stop with the hyperbole. for every great cp3 moment in the post-season there's a god-awful performance that makes you realize why he never made it to the wcf, let alone the finals.

[ClipperRevival]

Really, if you break down his game, who was a more complete pg than Paul? Name me one weakness he had besides his short height? At his peak, he could get to anywhere on the court with his dribble with ease. He could literally get to the rack anytime he wanted too. Paul is playing at a high level right now because his midrange and 3 point shooting is amazing but this isn't peak Paul. Peak Paul could get to the rack anytime. He does that less now, evidenced by his lower ft attempts. So in terms of his skills, he's probably at his peak because he has lost half a step, even from a few years ago.

Amazing passer, never turned it over, deadly midrange, solid 3 pt shooter, amazing defense, one of the best ball stealers in history and could post up guys who aren't towering over him. No weakness in his game.

[ChrisConley]

How many players have led the league in assists and steals in the same season while scoring over 20 ppg?

Only one. CP3 in '08 and again in '09.

[ChrisConley]

If he wins a ring and finals MVP, I bump Paul up to 25th all-time about even with Wade. Sick stats (slightly better than Wade overall, not peak of course). Respectable share of MVP votes (twice as many as Wade). Ring would be a solid boost.

[PsychoBe]

Really, if you break down his game, who was a more complete pg than Paul? Name me one weakness he had besides his short height? At his peak, he could get to anywhere on the court with his dribble with ease. He could literally get to the rack anytime he wanted too. Paul is playing at a high level right now because his midrange and 3 point shooting is amazing but this isn't peak Paul. Peak Paul could get to the rack anytime. He does that less now, evidenced by his lower ft attempts. So in terms of his skills, he's probably at his peak because he has lost half a step, even from a few years ago.

Amazing passer, never turned it over, deadly midrange, solid 3 pt shooter, amazing defense, one of the best ball stealers in history and could post up guys who aren't towering over him. No weakness in his game.

so much hyperbole in one post. paul has rarely ever risen his game to the next level in the post-season, ever. the post-season is what makes or break a player's legacy. swept by the spurs, lost by over 30 points to the grizzlies at home in the first round, got outplayed by mike conley, lost again to the spurs with hca while on the hornets, he has very little versatility on the court. if his teammates are in a slump and he can't pad his assists then he's forced to act and the defense just funnels in on him.

magic was way more complete. he could literally play every position and defend every position. in his rookie year he had the greatest single game finals performance in the history of the sport. he could post up at an all-time level, had a reliable mid-range, could drive, and obviously has the best passing skills out of any pg ever.

then we can get into the fierceness of isiah, the all-time passing expertise and game management of john stockton, the all-time defensive presence of gary payton, the all-around length, passing, and athleticism of kevin johnson, etc, etc.

cp3 is a great pg but this hyperbole needs to stop. he's not "the most complete". he has flashes of brilliance then he shrivels up when it matters the most. i don't care if you've seen his finest regular season wins, that doesn't tell the entire narrative. and it's that he's an underachiever.

[ClipperRevival]

so much hyperbole in one post. paul has rarely ever risen his game to the next level in the post-season, ever. the post-season is what makes or break a player's legacy. swept by the spurs, lost by over 30 points to the grizzlies at home in the first round, got outplayed by mike conley, lost again to the spurs with hca while on the hornets, he has very little versatility on the court. if his teammates are in a slump and he can't pad his assists then he's forced to act and the defense just funnels in on him.

magic was way more complete. he could literally play every position and defend every position. in his rookie year he had the greatest single game finals performance in the history of the sport. he could post up at an all-time level, had a reliable mid-range, could drive, and obviously has the best passing skills out of any pg ever.

then we can get into the fierceness of isiah, the all-time passing expertise and game management of john stockton, the all-time defensive presence of gary payton, the all-around length, passing, and athleticism of kevin johnson, etc, etc.

cp3 is a great pg but this hyperbole needs to stop. he's not "the most complete". he has flashes of brilliance then he shrivels up when it matters the most. i don't care if you've seen his finest regular season wins, that doesn't tell the entire narrative. and it's that he's an underachiever.

You are mistaking accomplishments with skills. You are talking about the former. I am talking about the latter. When you look at their games, no way was Magic more complete because he was a weak defender while Paul is one of the best defenders EVER at the pg position. Basketball is a two way sport. When you are lacking on one end, that has to be considered.

Yes, Magic did certain things better than Paul. Like run the break a bit better and post up game due to his height. But if you break down their games, Paul was more complete. Meaning he had less weaknesses. Show me one basketball weakness he had on the court in terms of lacking a particular skill. I can tell you Magic's. He wasn't that good of a defender, he could be somewhat contained by long, athletic wing defenders (see Pip 1991 Finals) and he lacked athleticism. What skills or attribute did Paul lack on the basketball court? I am not talking about intangibles because he's had some clutch issues. I am talking strictly about his game. I am waiting.

[buddha]

Clippers defend the 3 poorly and have a weak bench. GS will beat them in a series.

[bizil]

Prime Parker was pretty devastating offensively but to me, he is class below CP3. Paul is the most complete pg ever. He really had no weaknesses in his game. What he brought to the table for your team in the positive department was matched by few in history. He almost always makes the right basketball decision and never turns the ball over. He gives your offense a good shot on almost every possession and played lights out D. All of the advanced analytics only back up my points.

There are few guys in history who can positively impact a team like him. I really think you could put him on any team in history and he automatically makes them playoff contenders and will get you to 45ish wins. Parker just didn't have that overall game or impact.

Peak wise or better player wise I agree 100% that CP3 is better! In my post, I was talking about GOAT status. So it's two different criteria And as of today, I have Parker a bit ahead of CP3.

If CP3 wins a Finals MVP and ring THEN that's a different story. Parker's 4 rings, Finals MVP, and 17,000 points are enough to rank him over CP3 GOAT wise at this point. I have Parker 10th GOAT wise at PG and CP3 at 11th. But it's only a matter of time before CP3 passes Tony and many of the other great PG's. Peak wise or better player wise, I already think CP3 is in the top 5 PG's ever.