Pau Gasol is PUS$Y

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Needs kobe to whoop his as$ & play games when he is 70%

he would have played last 2games if Kobe was his teammate

[Mr. Jabbar]

agreed

[Smoke117]

Kobe stans just can't help melting down can they? :lol #staylosing #stayirrelevant

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Kobe stans just can't help melting down can they? :lol #staylosing #stayirrelevant


Melting down for what?

Arent u the same mutha fcuka who made a thread about lebron better then kobe instead of enjoying rhe buzzer beater?

Send ur sister to suck my c0ck, b!tch

[TheBigVeto]

Lebron >>>>>>> Gasol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe

[tpols]

Welp.. he has no chance but to play thursday.. ice up big boy

[JebronLames]

He's played more games than kobe this year.

[Ca$H]

One of the worst 2nd options for a Championship team in NBA history.

[r15mohd]

One of the worst 2nd options for a Championship team in NBA history.

Let's fix this for you. Apart of the best front court tandem since the 80s celtics.

Bynum
Gasol
Odom

Just ask Phil

[JebronLames]

Let's fix this for you. Apart of the best front court tandem since the 80s celtics.

Bynum
Gasol
Odom

Just ask Phil
Ariza/artest

[Magic 32]

He's played more games than kobe this year.

Easy when you don't sacrifice your body for a playoff spot (2013).

And what did Pau do with this mighty gift?

0-4

[Magic 32]

Let's fix this for you. Apart of the best front court tandem since the 80s celtics.

Bynum
Gasol
Odom

Just ask Phil

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140228005102/degrassi/images/7/7a/Elena_throwing_up.gif

[FKAri]

Melting down for what?

Arent u the same mutha fcuka who made a thread about lebron better then kobe instead of enjoying rhe buzzer beater?

Send ur sister to suck my c0ck, b!tch

PM me your address then.....Bitch!!!

[Prime_Shaq]

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140228005102/degrassi/images/7/7a/Elena_throwing_up.gif
Please, even as a Kobe fan you must give credit to that frontcourt

[TMacYaoRockets]

He's played more games than kobe this year.
But Pau couldn't play through injuries in the playoffs. Pau needs to put on his big boy pants.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Let's fix this for you. Apart of the best front court tandem since the 80s celtics.

Bynum
Gasol
Odom

Just ask Phil
Bynum wasnt important for the Lakers 3 run finals, why do nikkas keep puttin him in the same place as Pau and Odom like he was at his 2012 level every year:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: dude barely played:facepalm

[Ca$H]

Bynum = injured both times. Luc Longley level impact.
Gasol= shareef abdur rahim caliber player.
Odom= Draymond Green with inferior defense.

Just ask Phil

Fixed.

[r15mohd]

Please, even as a Kobe fan you must give credit to that frontcourt


They can't, it diminishes his stature...to dismiss it is pretty idiotic. Front court was unmatched in the NBA, plain and simple

[Magic 32]

Fixed.

Indeed.

Bynum was Perkins minus defense.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Front court was unmatched in the NBA, plain and simple

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Utah, Houston, Spurs, Mavs, Orlando, Boston

[toxicxr6]

Kobe stans are the worst stans on this board.. All of you are dumb fkers... And I mean dubeta level dumb fkers

Without gasol there is no way lakers win either of those titles.. Have some damn respect.. He was as important to those championships as Kobe was.. Take either away and you have nothing

You would think the Kobe stan would be happy.. Without gasol Kobe never even gets a fmvp and probably would be borderline top 20 all time


And doesn't gasol have a torn hamstring??? I like to see any of you play with a torn hamstring.. It just doesn't happen no way he can play any meaningful minutes...


And how did Kobe play with his torn Achilles a couple of seasons ago?? What a fkn pussssssy knew his team would get stomped by the Spurs so sat on the bench nursing his Achilles.. What a pusssssssy.. What a beta.. Dude just quit on his team that season.. Fkn *****

[DirkLegend41]

Kobe stans are the worst stans on this board.. All of you are dumb fkers... And I mean dubeta level dumb fkers

Without gasol there is no way lakers win either of those titles.. Have some damn respect.. He was as important to those championships as Kobe was.. Take either away and you have nothing

You would think the Kobe stan would be happy.. Without gasol Kobe never even gets a fmvp and probably would be borderline top 20 all time


And doesn't gasol have a torn hamstring??? I like to see any of you play with a torn hamstring.. It just doesn't happen no way he can play any meaningful minutes...


And how did Kobe play with his torn Achilles a couple of seasons ago?? What a fkn pussssssy knew his team would get stomped by the Spurs so sat on the bench nursing his Achilles.. What a pusssssssy.. What a beta.. Dude just quit on his team that season.. Fkn *****
Pau's injury is minor. He's a *****.

[NBASTATMAN]

Needs kobe to whoop his as$ & play games when he is 70%

he would have played last 2games if Kobe was his teammate


I AGREE.. He would have carried Kobe like he did in 2010 :cheers:

[ILLsmak]

Nah NOah is a *****, Pau was doing work at least.

-Smak

[r15mohd]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Utah, Houston, Spurs, Mavs, Orlando, Boston

So you wanna ether yourself :wtf:

Didn't they beat them all to be 2-3 in the finals with this front court?:rolleyes:

[TheMarkMadsen]

So you wanna ether yourself :wtf:

Didn't they beat them all to be 2-3 in the finals with this front court?:rolleyes:

the lakers beat all those teams with Kobe averaging 30/6/6 and Pau putting up 18/10.. not 6 & 4 bynum and 11ppg Odom

Jazz had Milsap, Boozer and Okur who were both all stars during this stretch

and lets not even bring up what you morons would be saying if Kobe had Dirk or Duncan, or Yao or KG on his team.

09 & 10 Dwight + Lewis + Turk + Gortat


if you put Kobe on the nuggets, jazz, celtics, spurs, mavs, rockets or magic for those 3 years you morons would be claiming the exact same thing you do now "best front court in the league"

[Eric Cartman]

Pau is soft, no denying that, him making the finals would've been nice though.

Considering the Cavs injuries, Bulls have been a HUGE disappointment, Rose has played well, pretty much everyone else has sucked.

[r15mohd]

the lakers beat all those teams with Kobe averaging 30/6/6 and Pau putting up 18/10.. not 6 & 4 bynum and 11ppg Odom

Jazz had Milsap, Boozer and Okur who were both all stars during this stretch

and lets not even bring up what you morons would be saying if Kobe had Dirk or Duncan, or Yao or KG on his team.

09 & 10 Dwight + Lewis + Turk + Gortat


if you put Kobe on the nuggets, jazz, celtics, spurs, mavs, rockets or magic for those 3 years you morons would be claiming the exact same thing you do now "best front court in the league"


Just as in the other thread, stats never tell the full story. Bynum was never an offensive stronghold during the run, he was there, more times than not to solidify the paint for the Lakers. You can dismiss the presence of three 7ft players on the court at the same time, however how well did any of those front courts do against them?

[bluechox2]

pau has to play or the bulls are gone

[TheMarkMadsen]

Just as in the other thread, stats never tell the full story. Bynum was never an offensive stronghold during the run, he was there, more times than not to solidify the paint for the Lakers. You can dismiss the presence of three 7ft players on the court at the same time, however how well did any of those front courts do against them?


09: Boozer against the Lakers 21/13/2/2 on 53%

Milsap against the Lakers 12/8/2/1/1 on 51%


Yao: 20/11 51%

Scola: 13/10/2 43%

Landry: 10/5 on 60%



Dwight: 15/15/ 4 blocks on 49%

Hedo: 18/5/4 on 49%

Lewis: 17/8/4 on 40% 3pt

10: Boozer against the Lakers: 16/13 on 45%

Milsap against the Lakers: 19/7 on 53%


Amare against the Lakers: 25/6 on 53%


so to answer your question.. they did pretty well, put Kobe on those teams and they would "have the best front court in the league"

and this isn't even take into account what Dirk/Duncan was doing

[AirFederer]

http://media.giphy.com/media/afTPs2HHoUHOo/giphy.gif

[bitedez]

Who's Kobe? and how is he relevant to this years playoffs?

[bitedez]

Who's Kobe? and how is he relevant to this years playoffs?:confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

This is what Pau has been doing in the Playoffs since 2011. Disappear when you need him the most.

[ZenMaster]

Pau's injury is minor. He's a *****.

It's been nagging him for about 3 years, that's definitely not minor.

[Ca$H]

Just as in the other thread, stats never tell the full story. Bynum was never an offensive stronghold during the run, he was there, more times than not to solidify the paint for the Lakers. You can dismiss the presence of three 7ft players on the court at the same time, however how well did any of those front courts do against them?

:biggums:

1. Odom isn't 7 feet.

2. All three were never on the court at the same time. Odom played PF not SF. :facepalm

[Yoshi]

And another Kobe fan rooting against Pau. So insecure.

[HylianNightmare]

I really wanted him to win a ring this year

[Ne 1]

the best front court tandem since the 80s celtics.
Bynum
Gasol
Odom


You're delusional if you believe that.

Duncan/DRob
KG/Perk
Dirk/Tyson
Webber/Divac
Hakeem/Sampson
Shaq/Grant
Ewing/Oakley

Are all comfortably ahead. And there's many more that could be considered equal.. 00s Pistons, Pacers hell even the Warriors and Grizzles this year.

[riseagainst]

Let's fix this for you. Apart of the best front court tandem since the 80s celtics.

Bynum
Gasol
Odom

Just ask Phil


:roll:
:roll:

:biggums:

[Ne 1]

:biggums:

1. Odom isn't 7 feet.

2. All three were never on the court at the same time. Odom played PF not SF. :facepalm


I'd actually probably take the late '90s Bulls' front court trio of Longley, Rodman and (off the bench) Kukoc over injury riddled Bynum off the bench and Odom. They were perfect for the triangle.

[HOoopCityJones]

Let's fix this for you. Apart of the best front court tandem since the 80s celtics.

Bynum
Gasol
Odom

Just ask Phil

:facepalm

You clearly have no clue what the fucc you're talking about.

[r15mohd]

09: Boozer against the Lakers 21/13/2/2 on 53%

Milsap against the Lakers 12/8/2/1/1 on 51%


Yao: 20/11 51%

Scola: 13/10/2 43%

Landry: 10/5 on 60%



Dwight: 15/15/ 4 blocks on 49%

Hedo: 18/5/4 on 49%

Lewis: 17/8/4 on 40% 3pt

10: Boozer against the Lakers: 16/13 on 45%

Milsap against the Lakers: 19/7 on 53%


Amare against the Lakers: 25/6 on 53%


so to answer your question.. they did pretty well, put Kobe on those teams and they would "have the best front court in the league"

and this isn't even take into account what Dirk/Duncan was doing


again...only looking at the stats, no context.

have you looked at the shot charts to understand why the Gasol/Bynum front court is even brought up? take for instance the Jazz series. they barely shot in the paint throughout all the games. most of Boozers points were perimeter based, and which everyone knows Bynum/Gasol were lazy in tracking down and challenging those type of shots, and if the Lakers can force you to avoid penetration, they already won the game/series.

much of the same in the 09 Houston series too, Yao and Scola barely scored at the basket, yao even missed games. it doesn't take that much of a thought process to understand and realize this. anyone can throw out stats as a face-value front, look a little deeper next time. :rolleyes:

[HOoopCityJones]

What kind of context do you need when you just said Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom were apart of the best frontcourt since the 80's Celtics?

You do realize Bynum didn't peak for us til 2012 , right? He was averaging single digits in pts and rebounds during our title runs. As a center.

You're just full of shit and anyone who actually watches basketball can see it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Unless it's a tear, guy better play in game 6 or he'll be crucified.

[Bandito]

Bynum wasnt important for the Lakers 3 run finals, why do nikkas keep puttin him in the same place as Pau and Odom like he was at his 2012 level every year:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: dude barely played:facepalm
Because they are morons who want to discredit every player the can to put Lebron in a pedestal. The only thing you can do is fight against the current or let morons be morons. :lol

[Bandito]

By the way, Pau is a beast. He has been beasting since 01 or 02 when he was drafted with the Grizzlies. He has been playing over 10 years so it is obvious he will slow down and take it easy due to injuries accumulated since that time.

Pau is a key player in that offense and it has shown these games.

[r15mohd]

Bynum wasnt important for the Lakers 3 run finals, why do nikkas keep puttin him in the same place as Pau and Odom like he was at his 2012 level every year:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: dude barely played:facepalm


well for 2008, Bynum couldn't play because he was out due to injury

as for his impact in the 2009 Finals, and for comparison since you all tout Odom being at a significantly higher level than Bynum:
-Odom played 34mins, averaged 13pts, 8rebs and 1 ast.
-Bynum played half the time Odom did, 19mins, and had 6pts, 4rebs and 1blk. So the same impact over the relative course of time for the game. but i'm sure you're still not convinced, right? :rolleyes:

lets move to 2010 Finals. Odom logged 28mins, averaging 7.6pts, 7rebs and 1ast. And looking at Bynum, he played 25mins, had 7.4pts, 5 rebs and 1blk. pretty much the same exact impact for both players. hmmm :confusedshrug:

the claim is Odom was on such a greater level than was that to Bynum, and incomparable. you all love stats at face-value, so here it is. if you want to rant about the 2008 Finals and Odom going off like Gasol against Boston, go for it, also be sure to remember the Lakers lost so how much value did Bynum prove to be thereafter? :rolleyes:

[riseagainst]

i'm still laughing at the stupidity of this statement in this thread:
"odom/gasol/Bynum are the best front court since the 80s celtics."

:roll:

[Ne 1]

Honesty there were probably 8-10 teams in the league with front-courts that would have been contenders with Kobe, while there was only 1 SG on Kobe's level in 2009 and 2010 (Dwayne Wade)

The Lakers front-court is usually just overrated by idiotic Kobe detractors trying to diminish him. The "dominant" front-court and the Lakers didn't even finish top 5 in OREB%, DREB%, or rebounding differential. I especially like how they always bring up Bynum. I can understand Gasol/Odom, who were both key for the Lakers during the 3 consecutive Finals runs, but including Bynum?

Bynum-
2008 Regular season: Only played 35 games. Lakers won 57 games and finished with the #1 seed in a stacked Western Conference.
2008 Playoffs: Didn't play. Lakers still made the Finals without him.

2009 Regular season: Only played 50 games.
2009 Playoffs: Averaged 6/3. Lakers still win championship

2010 Playoffs: Averaged 9/7. Lakers win championship.

There were more teams that could pose front-courts on the Lakers level than guards that were on Kobe's level.

These front-courts would have been contenders with a Kobe Bryant...
Hawks: Horford/Pachulia/Josh Smith/Kobe
Magic: Dwight/Gortat/Rashard/Kobe
Jazz: Okur/Jefferson/Millsap/Kobe
Boston: Garnett/Perkins/Wallace/Kobe
Portland: Pryzvvilla/Camby/Aldridge/Kobe
Nuggets: Nene/Martin/Andersen
Mavs: Nowitzki/Marion/Chandler/Haywood/Kobe
Bulls: Noah/Boozer/Deng/Kobe

and that's just off the type of my head...

Now keep in mind Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in the playoffs during the Lakers 3 straight Finals runs.

2010 Championship run, Odom/Gasol/Bynum combined: 36 PPG/24 RPG/4 APG

Hawks: Horford/Pazchila/Josh Smith season: 34 PPG/23 RPG/6 APG

Dallas: Dirk/Haywood/Dampier: 39 PPG/22 RPG/4 APG

Orlando:Howard/Rashard/Gortat: 36 PPG/21 RPG/4 APG

Bulls: Boozer/Noah/Deng: 41 PPG/29 RPG/7 APG

That's at least 5 teams that can replace LA's front-court and still expect a ring. The Kobe Bryant's of the world are ridiculously hard to find. No SG could have replaced Kobe except perhaps Wade in 2009 and 2010. That goes without saying Wade's skill set isn't suited for the triangle as well as Kobe's. Not saying he wouldn't be good in it, just not as good as Kobe. Wade doesn't have the range, nor is he as good off the ball.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Honesty there were probably 8-10 teams in the league with front-courts that would have been contenders with Kobe, while there was only 1 SG on Kobe's level in 2009 and 2010 (Dwayne Wade)

The Lakers front-court is usually just overrated by idiotic Kobe detractors trying to diminish him. The "dominant" front-court and the Lakers didn't even finish top 5 in OREB%, DREB%, or rebounding differential. I especially like how they always bring up Bynum. I can understand Gasol/Odom, who were both key for the Lakers during the 3 consecutive Finals runs, but including Bynum?

Bynum-
2008 Regular season: Only played 35 games. Lakers won 57 games and finished with the #1 seed in a stacked Western Conference.
2008 Playoffs: Didn't play. Lakers still made the Finals without him.

2009 Regular season: Only played 50 games.
2009 Playoffs: Averaged 6/3. Lakers still win championship

2010 Playoffs: Averaged 9/7. Lakers win championship.

There were more teams that could pose front-courts on the Lakers level than guards that were on Kobe's level.

These front-courts would have been contenders with a Kobe Bryant...
Hawks: Horford/Pachulia/Josh Smith/Kobe
Magic: Dwight/Gortat/Rashard/Kobe
Jazz: Okur/Jefferson/Millsap/Kobe
Boston: Garnett/Perkins/Wallace/Kobe
Portland: Pryzvvilla/Camby/Aldridge/Kobe
Nuggets: Nene/Martin/Andersen
Mavs: Nowitzki/Marion/Chandler/Haywood/Kobe
Bulls: Noah/Boozer/Deng/Kobe

and that's just off the type of my head...

Now keep in mind Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in the playoffs during the Lakers 3 straight Finals runs.

2010 Championship run, Odom/Gasol/Bynum combined: 36 PPG/24 RPG/4 APG

Hawks: Horford/Pazchila/Josh Smith season: 34 PPG/23 RPG/6 APG

Dallas: Dirk/Haywood/Dampier: 39 PPG/22 RPG/4 APG

Orlando:Howard/Rashard/Gortat: 36 PPG/21 RPG/4 APG

Bulls: Boozer/Noah/Deng: 41 PPG/29 RPG/7 APG

That's at least 5 teams that can replace LA's front-court and still expect a ring. The Kobe Bryant's of the world are ridiculously hard to find. No SG could have replaced Kobe except perhaps Wade in 2009 and 2010. That goes without saying Wade's skill set isn't suited for the triangle as well as Kobe's. Not saying he wouldn't be good in it, just not as good as Kobe. Wade doesn't have the range, nor is he as good off the ball.


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[Showtime2001]

Let's fix this for you. Apart of the best front court tandem since the 80s celtics.

Bynum
Gasol
Odom

Just ask Phil
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6067/6081114162_eae14ba471_o.gif


Honesty there were probably 8-10 teams in the league with front-courts that would have been contenders with Kobe, while there was only 1 SG on Kobe's level in 2009 and 2010 (Dwayne Wade)

The Lakers front-court is usually just overrated by idiotic Kobe detractors trying to diminish him. The "dominant" front-court and the Lakers didn't even finish top 5 in OREB%, DREB%, or rebounding differential. I especially like how they always bring up Bynum. I can understand Gasol/Odom, who were both key for the Lakers during the 3 consecutive Finals runs, but including Bynum?

Bynum-
2008 Regular season: Only played 35 games. Lakers won 57 games and finished with the #1 seed in a stacked Western Conference.
2008 Playoffs: Didn't play. Lakers still made the Finals without him.

2009 Regular season: Only played 50 games.
2009 Playoffs: Averaged 6/3. Lakers still win championship

2010 Playoffs: Averaged 9/7. Lakers win championship.

There were more teams that could pose front-courts on the Lakers level than guards that were on Kobe's level.

These front-courts would have been contenders with a Kobe Bryant...
Hawks: Horford/Pachulia/Josh Smith/Kobe
Magic: Dwight/Gortat/Rashard/Kobe
Jazz: Okur/Jefferson/Millsap/Kobe
Boston: Garnett/Perkins/Wallace/Kobe
Portland: Pryzvvilla/Camby/Aldridge/Kobe
Nuggets: Nene/Martin/Andersen
Mavs: Nowitzki/Marion/Chandler/Haywood/Kobe
Bulls: Noah/Boozer/Deng/Kobe

and that's just off the type of my head...

Now keep in mind Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in the playoffs during the Lakers 3 straight Finals runs.

2010 Championship run, Odom/Gasol/Bynum combined: 36 PPG/24 RPG/4 APG

Hawks: Horford/Pazchila/Josh Smith season: 34 PPG/23 RPG/6 APG

Dallas: Dirk/Haywood/Dampier: 39 PPG/22 RPG/4 APG

Orlando:Howard/Rashard/Gortat: 36 PPG/21 RPG/4 APG

Bulls: Boozer/Noah/Deng: 41 PPG/29 RPG/7 APG

That's at least 5 teams that can replace LA's front-court and still expect a ring. The Kobe Bryant's of the world are ridiculously hard to find. No SG could have replaced Kobe except perhaps Wade in 2009 and 2010. That goes without saying Wade's skill set isn't suited for the triangle as well as Kobe's. Not saying he wouldn't be good in it, just not as good as Kobe. Wade doesn't have the range, nor is he as good off the ball.
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[r15mohd]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

:rolleyes:

not good enough to rebuttal on your own...expected it from the other thread

i like how you fair-weather your posts when you're called out on BS though...all the hypocrisy over Chandler in the other thread and you dont even respond in hopes it dies as it shows your true colors. Bynum and Chandler provided the same impact between 2010 and 2011 Finals, and one is the labeled a defensive stopper, irreplaceable anchor to the teams defense and one is dismissed as a non-impact player. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

the objectivity is in you, just look below on how you accurately describe Chandler...but once it comes to Kobe, the Kobe-fapping emerges and Bynum is a non impactful player. :facepalm and to that, he even had the same stats as Odom in the 2010 Finals, so that means Odom is non-impactful but wait, earlier in the threat you said Gasol and Odom were the impactful ones? :wtf: make up your mind :confusedshrug: nothing but complete BS from your end and disregarding Bynum's presence on the court


here's how hypocritical you are on Bynum. with basically the same output as Chandler during the Mavs run, Bynum was their defensive anchor in the paint for the Lakers, yet for all Kobe stans, they dismiss anyone who's put up anything to try and heighten Kobe as being the sole reason the Lakers were winning :rolleyes: :facepalm

Bynum - 9/7 in 24mins during the 2010 playoffs
Chandler - 8/9 in 33mins during the 2011 playoffs


"Tyson was the perfect compliment to Dirk and as we've seen before Dirk & the Mavs historically struggle in the playoffs without a defensive stopper." -TheMarkMadsen

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9468010&postcount=1

what was Kobe's struggle without relatively descent big upfront?



"I agree that Chandler is overpaid, but in the context of what he brought to the Mavs, and how he was a huge part in them winning a championship i'm genuinly surprised Cuban wasn't willing to shell out the dough" - TheMarkMadsen

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9468219&postcount=12

exactly the same scenario in what Bynum provided to the Lakers during their run



"An elite rim protector is the most important piece you can acquire when building around a player like Dirk." - TheMarkMadsen

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9469219&postcount=20

same goes for Kobe...he's proven without inside presence to help him, he's at best, a 1st round exit

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11346632&postcount=79

[Hey Yo]

NE 1 says:


Now keep in mind Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in the playoffs during the Lakers 3 straight Finals runs.
And there you have it. Always referencing the playoffs, but never just the most important part by itself............. the Finals.

[TheMarkMadsen]

ffs man i'm done with you

you're either an idiot or troll, probably both

do you really need the difference between 09/10 playoff Bynum and 2011 playoff Tyson Chandler explained to you?

well you're in this thread claiming Pau/Odom/Bynum is the best front court since the 80's Celtics.. so maybe you do..

One guy was playing DPOY level defense throughout the playoffs while playing 40 minutes a game in the finals, the other wasn't providing anything close to DPOY level defense and playing 24 mpg in the finals at best.

Lakers made the finals without Bynum, you would think that would be enough to stop these idiots from acting like he was anything special during those 3 years

i can't take you seriously

[Showtime2001]

NE 1 says:


And there you have it. Always referencing the playoffs, but never just the most important part by itself............. the Finals.
You do realize before the finals its the playoffs right?

[Hey Yo]

You do realize before the finals its the playoffs right?
Not when it comes to LeBron or any other player.

It's ALLLLLLLL about the Finals, remember?

[r15mohd]

Honesty there were probably 8-10 teams in the league with front-courts that would have been contenders with Kobe, while there was only 1 SG on Kobe's level in 2009 and 2010 (Dwayne Wade)

8-10 teams huh...well what happened when D12 and Gasol joined the Lakers, led by Kobe, only to be nothing but a COMPLETE FAILURE. isnt that the same as throwing Kobe on another front-court worthy team and something coming of it? and don't even resort to the injury scapegoat bcuz before that was even relevant, Kobe was throwing D12 under the bus, Gasol under the bus. so if you think just placing the egotistical maniac on a team with good front court players works, it does't. intangibles plays a HEAVY role to a teams success. the Lakers tried this and what happened? :confusedshrug:


The Lakers front-court is usually just overrated by idiotic Kobe detractors trying to diminish him. The "dominant" front-court and the Lakers didn't even finish top 5 in OREB%, DREB%, or rebounding differential. I especially like how they always bring up Bynum. I can understand Gasol/Odom, who were both key for the Lakers during the 3 consecutive Finals runs, but including Bynum?

2009 Regular season: Only played 50 games.
2009 Playoffs: Averaged 6/3. Lakers still win championship

2010 Playoffs: Averaged 9/7. Lakers win championship.

overrated huh? if Bynum is a non-factor, why couldnt the Gasol/Odom tandem complete the run against the Celtics in 2008? what was missing that soon came about the year after?

in 2009, both Bynum and Odom were on pace to match each others output when on the floor. in 2010, they EXACTLY matched each others output when on the floor. just refer to my post above...matter fact, read it below:

as for his impact in the 2009 Finals, and for comparison since you all tout Odom being at a significantly higher level than Bynum:
-Odom played 34mins, averaged 13pts, 8rebs and 1 ast.
-Bynum played half the time Odom did, 19mins, and had 6pts, 4rebs and 1blk. So the same impact over the relative course of time for the game. but i'm sure you're still not convinced, right?

lets move to 2010 Finals. Odom logged 28mins, averaging 7.6pts, 7rebs and 1ast. And looking at Bynum, he played 25mins, had 7.4pts, 5 rebs and 1blk. pretty much the same exact impact for both players. hmmm



There were more teams that could pose front-courts on the Lakers level than guards that were on Kobe's level.

These front-courts would have been contenders with a Kobe Bryant...
Hawks: Horford/Pachulia/Josh Smith/Kobe
Magic: Dwight/Gortat/Rashard/Kobe
Jazz: Okur/Jefferson/Millsap/Kobe
Boston: Garnett/Perkins/Wallace/Kobe
Portland: Pryzvvilla/Camby/Aldridge/Kobe
Nuggets: Nene/Martin/Andersen
Mavs: Nowitzki/Marion/Chandler/Haywood/Kobe
Bulls: Noah/Boozer/Deng/Kobe

and that's just off the type of my head...

Now keep in mind Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in the playoffs during the Lakers 3 straight Finals runs.

2010 Championship run, Odom/Gasol/Bynum combined: 36 PPG/24 RPG/4 APG

Hawks: Horford/Pazchila/Josh Smith season: 34 PPG/23 RPG/6 APG

Dallas: Dirk/Haywood/Dampier: 39 PPG/22 RPG/4 APG

Orlando:Howard/Rashard/Gortat: 36 PPG/21 RPG/4 APG

Bulls: Boozer/Noah/Deng: 41 PPG/29 RPG/7 APG

That's at least 5 teams that can replace LA's front-court and still expect a ring. The Kobe Bryant's of the world are ridiculously hard to find. No SG could have replaced Kobe except perhaps Wade in 2009 and 2010. That goes without saying Wade's skill set isn't suited for the triangle as well as Kobe's. Not saying he wouldn't be good in it, just not as good as Kobe. Wade doesn't have the range, nor is he as good off the ball.

so take Kobe and throw them on any of those 8-10 teams you like, then take the only player you say who's easily able to replace Kobe, Dwyane Wade, and pair him with Bynum/Gasol/Odom/Wade. It is GUARANTEED that Kobe's squad DOES NOT beat this team of Bynum/Gasol/Odom/Wade. I'll say it again, GUARANTEED GUARANTEED GUARANTEED! Wade and Kobe are a wash in the matchup, however the front court of Bynum/Gasol/Odom proves that they are superior and will outdo any of those 8-10 teams front courts you pair-up Kobe with. :no: this is really the tell all of this rant, Ne1. the logic of just throwing Kobe on another squad doesnt cut it, cuz when you match/compare the Bynum/Gasol/Odom trio with a like-term in Wade, it easily outweighs any notion/point/stance you're trying to make. :no: :no: :no:

matter fact, just to show how inept you guys are, lets take it even further and use your (Kobe-stans) same tactics on propping him up and show just how inferior these same 8-10 teams are when facing the better part of competition. we'll use the ever famous, 50+ wins opponent to play this devils advocate for you all:

during the same 2007-2010 seasons:

Lakers - 10
Celtics - 4
Spurs - 4
Orlando - 3
Suns - 2
Detroit, Hornets, Rockets, Nuggets, Mavs, Jazz - 1

thank Kenneth! :lol http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9982562&postcount=1

so as great as you'd like to say those front courts are, none of them, not even the stacked Celtics or Spurs, even meet half of what the Lakers were able to accomplish in just 3 yrs with the even more stacked and dominant front court. and this is by the Kobe-stans logic in rating dominance

[r15mohd]

ffs man i'm done with you

you're either an idiot or troll, probably both

do you really need the difference between 09/10 playoff Bynum and 2011 playoff Tyson Chandler explained to you?

well you're in this thread claiming Pau/Odom/Bynum is the best front court since the 80's Celtics.. so maybe you do..

One guy was playing DPOY level defense throughout the playoffs while playing 40 minutes a game in the finals, the other wasn't providing anything close to DPOY level defense and playing 24 mpg in the finals at best.

Lakers made the finals without Bynum, you would think that would be enough to stop these idiots from acting like he was anything special during those 3 years

i can't take you seriously

they made the finals and got stopped dead in their tracks with just Gasol and Odom alone, back comes Bynum and the front court is solidified and dominant right through in winning the Finals the same year after. from a 57 win team to a 65 win team...but by Kobe-stans, no impact right.

come the Finals verse the Magic, he's producing at the same rate Odom is, yet Odom is somehow significantly so much better than what Bynum provided? :facepalm

take it to 2010, they both produce exactly the same and win the title again. but by Kobe-stans, Odom is BY FAR GREATER than Bynum.

you wont get it because you choose NOT to look at the intangibles of two 7ft anchors in the paint...you tried posting how Boozer and Ming/Scola did so well against them, yet only looked at the face value stats. shot chart shows that both the Jazz and Rockets hard very little success with scoring in the paint against the Lakers in those respective years. and if you're a Laker fan, which I doubt, you would understand that those high outputs are and always has been the Lakers faults with the duo up front, they are lazy to chase the mid-range attempts and even of PnR defensively. PJ has commented on this right through his 2nd tenure there...but do you even acknowledge it. why would you, it degrades Kobe. :rolleyes:

[HOoopCityJones]

Honesty there were probably 8-10 teams in the league with front-courts that would have been contenders with Kobe, while there was only 1 SG on Kobe's level in 2009 and 2010 (Dwayne Wade)

The Lakers front-court is usually just overrated by idiotic Kobe detractors trying to diminish him. The "dominant" front-court and the Lakers didn't even finish top 5 in OREB%, DREB%, or rebounding differential. I especially like how they always bring up Bynum. I can understand Gasol/Odom, who were both key for the Lakers during the 3 consecutive Finals runs, but including Bynum?

Bynum-
2008 Regular season: Only played 35 games. Lakers won 57 games and finished with the #1 seed in a stacked Western Conference.
2008 Playoffs: Didn't play. Lakers still made the Finals without him.

2009 Regular season: Only played 50 games.
2009 Playoffs: Averaged 6/3. Lakers still win championship

2010 Playoffs: Averaged 9/7. Lakers win championship.

There were more teams that could pose front-courts on the Lakers level than guards that were on Kobe's level.

These front-courts would have been contenders with a Kobe Bryant...
Hawks: Horford/Pachulia/Josh Smith/Kobe
Magic: Dwight/Gortat/Rashard/Kobe
Jazz: Okur/Jefferson/Millsap/Kobe
Boston: Garnett/Perkins/Wallace/Kobe
Portland: Pryzvvilla/Camby/Aldridge/Kobe
Nuggets: Nene/Martin/Andersen
Mavs: Nowitzki/Marion/Chandler/Haywood/Kobe
Bulls: Noah/Boozer/Deng/Kobe

and that's just off the type of my head...

Now keep in mind Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in the playoffs during the Lakers 3 straight Finals runs.

2010 Championship run, Odom/Gasol/Bynum combined: 36 PPG/24 RPG/4 APG

Hawks: Horford/Pazchila/Josh Smith season: 34 PPG/23 RPG/6 APG

Dallas: Dirk/Haywood/Dampier: 39 PPG/22 RPG/4 APG

Orlando:Howard/Rashard/Gortat: 36 PPG/21 RPG/4 APG

Bulls: Boozer/Noah/Deng: 41 PPG/29 RPG/7 APG

That's at least 5 teams that can replace LA's front-court and still expect a ring. The Kobe Bryant's of the world are ridiculously hard to find. No SG could have replaced Kobe except perhaps Wade in 2009 and 2010. That goes without saying Wade's skill set isn't suited for the triangle as well as Kobe's. Not saying he wouldn't be good in it, just not as good as Kobe. Wade doesn't have the range, nor is he as good off the ball.

Ether.

[HOoopCityJones]

Not when it comes to LeBron or any other player.

It's ALLLLLLLL about the Finals, remember?

You sound like a straight bitch my ni99a, real talk. :roll:


You're in here catching feelings about some unrelated Lebron shit, hold this L pu$$y.

[r15mohd]

Ether.


right....debunked just before it. try and refute it, it you're capable.


so take Kobe and throw them on any of those 8-10 teams you like, then take the only player you say who's easily able to replace Kobe, Dwyane Wade, and pair him with Bynum/Gasol/Odom/Wade. It is GUARANTEED that Kobe's squad DOES NOT beat this team of Bynum/Gasol/Odom/Wade. I'll say it again, GUARANTEED GUARANTEED GUARANTEED! Wade and Kobe are a wash in the matchup, however the front court of Bynum/Gasol/Odom proves that they are superior and will outdo any of those 8-10 teams front courts you pair-up Kobe with. this is really the tell all of this rant, Ne1. the logic of just throwing Kobe on another squad doesnt cut it, cuz when you match/compare the Bynum/Gasol/Odom trio with a like-term in Wade, it easily outweighs any notion/point/stance you're trying to make.

[HOoopCityJones]

right....debunked just before it. try and refute it, it you're capable.

"Best frontcourt since the 80's Celtics" - Some Dumbass circa 2015


You lost this debate before it even really started home skillet.

[Magic 32]

Honesty there were probably 8-10 teams in the league with front-courts that would have been contenders with Kobe, while there was only 1 SG on Kobe's level in 2009 and 2010 (Dwayne Wade)

The Lakers front-court is usually just overrated by idiotic Kobe detractors trying to diminish him. The "dominant" front-court and the Lakers didn't even finish top 5 in OREB%, DREB%, or rebounding differential. I especially like how they always bring up Bynum. I can understand Gasol/Odom, who were both key for the Lakers during the 3 consecutive Finals runs, but including Bynum?

Bynum-
2008 Regular season: Only played 35 games. Lakers won 57 games and finished with the #1 seed in a stacked Western Conference.
2008 Playoffs: Didn't play. Lakers still made the Finals without him.

2009 Regular season: Only played 50 games.
2009 Playoffs: Averaged 6/3. Lakers still win championship

2010 Playoffs: Averaged 9/7. Lakers win championship.

There were more teams that could pose front-courts on the Lakers level than guards that were on Kobe's level.

These front-courts would have been contenders with a Kobe Bryant...
Hawks: Horford/Pachulia/Josh Smith/Kobe
Magic: Dwight/Gortat/Rashard/Kobe
Jazz: Okur/Jefferson/Millsap/Kobe
Boston: Garnett/Perkins/Wallace/Kobe
Portland: Pryzvvilla/Camby/Aldridge/Kobe
Nuggets: Nene/Martin/Andersen
Mavs: Nowitzki/Marion/Chandler/Haywood/Kobe
Bulls: Noah/Boozer/Deng/Kobe

and that's just off the type of my head...

Now keep in mind Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in the playoffs during the Lakers 3 straight Finals runs.

2010 Championship run, Odom/Gasol/Bynum combined: 36 PPG/24 RPG/4 APG

Hawks: Horford/Pazchila/Josh Smith season: 34 PPG/23 RPG/6 APG

Dallas: Dirk/Haywood/Dampier: 39 PPG/22 RPG/4 APG

Orlando:Howard/Rashard/Gortat: 36 PPG/21 RPG/4 APG

Bulls: Boozer/Noah/Deng: 41 PPG/29 RPG/7 APG

That's at least 5 teams that can replace LA's front-court and still expect a ring. The Kobe Bryant's of the world are ridiculously hard to find. No SG could have replaced Kobe except perhaps Wade in 2009 and 2010. That goes without saying Wade's skill set isn't suited for the triangle as well as Kobe's. Not saying he wouldn't be good in it, just not as good as Kobe. Wade doesn't have the range, nor is he as good off the ball.

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