w/o the superfriends, Lebron's efficiency in the PO is the same as Kobe's

[TheMarkMadsen]

Playoffs

Kobe FG%: 45%

TS%: 54%

Turnovers: 2.9



Lebron (with Cavs) FG%: 45%

TS%: 55%

turnovers: 3.9

acting like their scoring efficiency is separated by some large gap is silly, Lebrons, Bosh & Wade all saw an increase in their efficiency due to playing with eachother

[Hit_Em]

Meltdown...




















































http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/2003/0728_large.jpg

[plowking]

Sure if you look at just this season.

Then you have to take away Kobe's seasons without Shaq as well, which is more of a FG% raiser than either one of Wade or Bosh.

Also, you should probably wait until after the Bulls series is over, which will undoubtedly be his lowest FG% in the playoffs.

So yeah, not much aside from 5-6%.

[r15mohd]

What does pre-Miami look like?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Sure if you look at just this season.

Then you have to take away Kobe's seasons without Shaq as well, which is more of a FG% raiser than either one of Wade or Bosh.

no i'm looking at his entire playoff career with Cavs, his current FG% is 42% with a sub 50 TS this season..

and i would love to take away the Shaq years.. Kobe was more efficient without Shaq..

Kobe had 3 straight trips to the finals in 08-10 on better efficiency than he ever put up with Shaq, and in the 06 & 07 playoffs (which were obviously shorter) he shot 50% and 48%..

so try again dawg

[TheMarkMadsen]

What does pre-Miami look like?

these stats include lebrons entire playoff career with the cavs

[JZ600]

Jesus kobe fans are having meltdowns left and right its kinda funny

[k0kakw0rld]

Kobe played with arguably the greatest center ever...The most dominant player ever.

[r15mohd]

no i'm looking at his entire playoff career with Cavs, his current FG% is 42% with a sub 50 TS this season..

and i would love to take away the Shaq years.. Kobe was more efficient without Shaq..

Kobe had 3 straight trips to the finals in 08-10 on better efficiency than he ever put up with Shaq, and in the 06 & 07 playoffs (which were obviously shorter) he shot 50% and 48%..

so try again dawg

He also had a better front court in 08-10 than a Shaq-alone front court, something that can't be said since the 80s Celtics

Bynum
Gasol
Odom

So definitely understand why his efficiency was likely higher :rolleyes:

[r15mohd]

these stats include lebrons entire playoff career with the cavs


Interesting, especially knowing his efficiency went up every yr since coming into the league

[imnew09]

What does pre-Miami look like?


0 rings. 1 choke got swept in the Final

[plowking]

no i'm looking at his entire playoff career with Cavs, his current FG% is 42% with a sub 50 TS this season..

and i would love to take away the Shaq years.. Kobe was more efficient without Shaq..

Kobe had 3 straight trips to the finals in 08-10 on better efficiency than he ever put up with Shaq, and in the 06 & 07 playoffs (which were obviously shorter) he shot 50% and 48%..

so try again dawg

So he was actually shooting in the high 30% range instead of low 40's if Shaq wasn't there.

Then you factor in two 7 footers down low in Gasol and Bynum drawing doubles all day close to the basket, and you knock off another 5%, and Kobe hasn't ever really shot over 40%.

All his 40%+ shooting averages in the playoffs are extremely *.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe played with arguably the greatest center ever...The most dominant player ever.

Kobe's efficiency without Shaq in the playoffs in significantly higher than with Shaq in the playoffs

FG& in the PO by the year WITH SHAQ

97: 37%

98: 41%

99: 43%

00: 44%

01: 46%

02: 44%

03: 43%

04: 41%

Kobe FG% WITHOUT SHAQ

06: 50%

07: 46%

08: 48%

09: 46%

10: 46%

11: 45%

12: 44%

[DFish24]

He also had a better front court in 08-10 than a Shaq-alone front court, something that can't be said since the 80s Celtics

Bynum
Gasol
Odom

So definitely understand why his efficiency was likely higher :rolleyes:

:facepalm

[iamgine]

Kobe had prime Shaq who was triple teamed every night plus Phil Jackson who were one of the GOAT coach and still his efficiency's not that good. That's way better than having Wade, Bosh and Spoelstra.

[TheMarkMadsen]

So he was actually shooting in the high 30% range instead[/B] of low 40's if Shaq wasn't there.

Then you factor in two 7 footers down low in Gasol and Bynum drawing doubles all day close to the basket, and you knock off another 5%, and Kobe hasn't ever really shot over 40%.

All his 40%+ shooting averages in the playoffs are extremely *.

you got that L pretty hard :lol :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe had prime Shaq who was triple teamed every night plus Phil Jackson who were one of the GOAT coach and still his efficiency's not that good. That's way better than having Wade, Bosh and Spoelstra.


lol

...

FG% in the PO by the year WITH SHAQ

97: 37%

98: 41%

99: 43%

00: 44%

01: 46%

02: 44%

03: 43%

04: 41%

Kobe FG% WITHOUT SHAQ

06: 50%

07: 46%

08: 48%

09: 46%

10: 46%

11: 45%

12: 44%

yall gonna have to come with a different argument, if we took out the Shaq years.. Kobe's efficiency sky rockets

[plowking]

you got that L pretty hard :lol :lol

I know right. You make a stupid thread and expect decent answers. Crazy shit.

Your mom got the D.

[DFish24]

TheMarkMadsen destroying people left and right itt.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I know right. You make a stupid thread and expect decent answers. Crazy shit.

Your mom got the D.

you tried to make the excuse "but but Kobe had Shaq"

and then got owned when the facts show his efficiency was better without Shaq

:roll: :roll:

[r15mohd]

TheMarkMadsen destroying people left and right itt.


Don't be the CDNP from the NBA roles altered thread...:facepalm

[plowking]

you tried to make the excuse "but but Kobe had Shaq"

and then got owned when the facts show his efficiency was better without Shaq

:roll: :roll:

Exactly, he couldn't benefit off Shaq more than he should have. Shows how terrible he is. I don't even want to imagine what his FG% would have been without him. Even lower. Jason Kidd or Iverson type.

Take another L there, along with the one you got just by starting this thread.

[r15mohd]

you tried to make the excuse "but but Kobe had Shaq"

and then got owned when the facts show his efficiency was better without Shaq

:roll: :roll:


Please refer to the post about having a better front court than just Shaq with Bynum/Gasol/Odom

There's a reason he's still hitting higher when you have such a front court...also, what happened to the 2005 PO percentages? :lol

[Smoke117]

Homeboy is obsessed with Lebron.

[Showtime2001]

Homeboy is obsessed with Lebron.
You mean like you with Kobe stans?

[Cold soul]

Kobe haters are out in full force I see another typical day on ISH.

[plowking]

Look at Kobe's shooting as soon as Shaq leaves in the regular season... From consistently shooting just about 47%, down to 43%.

Look at it when Dwight leaves. 46% down to 37%.

I suspect right around 37% is where we would see Kobe's career numbers had it not been for all the talent he had on his team. This guy played on some of the most stacked teams of all time you have to remember. At times players on his team were being triple teamed, while he, was not even being guarded. He had free shots!
Remember the Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Kobe Bryant and Shaq Lakers? Can you believe they lost?
Same with the Dwight, Nash, Artest, Pau and Kobe Lakers... These were supposed to be title teams.

[plowking]

Kobe haters are out in full force I see another typical day on ISH.

No one would talk about him if it wasn't for OP bringing him up.

[Cold soul]

Homeboy is obsessed with Lebron.

Lol like you can talk majority of your post are Kobe related.

[SugarHill]

Lol like you can talk majority of your post are Kobe related.
that avy :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Look at Kobe's shooting as soon as Shaq leaves in the regular season... From consistently shooting just about 47%, down to 43%.

Look at it when Dwight leaves. 46% down to 37%.

I suspect right around 37% is where we would see Kobe's career numbers had it not been for all the talent he had on his team. This guy played on some of the most stacked teams of all time you have to remember. At times players on his team were being triple teamed, while he, was not even being guarded. He had free shots!
Remember the Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Kobe Bryant and Shaq Lakers? Can you believe they lost?
Same with the Dwight, Nash, Artest, Pau and Kobe Lakers... These were supposed to be title teams.

the meltdown begins doe :lol :lol

and just to knock out the only semi honest attempt you made at making a point


Look at Kobe's shooting as soon as Shaq leaves in the regular season... From consistently shooting just about 47%, down to 43%.

I see that you're moving this to the regular season.. i guess i'll go off topic for a second..

Kobe shot 43.8% his last year with Shaq, then in 05 he shot 43.3% during an injury riddled season..

the next season Kobe averaged 35 ppg on 45%, then 32 on 46% the next year.. all without Shaq


i would tell you to hold this L, but you already have a firm grasp on it in this thread

[BigBoss]

5 is a larger number than 2.

[Cold soul]

No one would talk about him if it wasn't for OP bringing him up.

Put yet here you are hating on Kobe the usual suspects are Lebron stans that click on Kobe threads just to nitpick and downplay his accomplishments it gets old and tired some after a while. If you don't like Kobe why respond to any of his threads just to troll ignore it just as I have with Lebron threads. I hate Lebron always have, always will but I respect the hell out of him and his game you won't ever see me on any Lebron threads hating on him his stans are flat out crazy.

[r15mohd]

5 is a larger number than 2.


So is 11 over 6, and another 5 over 2...and we not talking Lebron or Kobe related either. But that's what face value brings you...if it's possible, look into things in-depth. Much more beneficial than making yourself look like an ass :rolleyes:

[Cold soul]

that avy :oldlol:

Yup lost a AV bet for 30 days. I honor bets unlike some here who I shall not name.

[iamgine]

Lebron was already way more efficient than Kobe before Miami.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe's efficiency without Shaq in the playoffs in significantly higher than with Shaq in the playoffs

FG& in the PO by the year WITH SHAQ

97: 37%

98: 41%

99: 43%

00: 44%

01: 46%

02: 44%

03: 43%

04: 41%

Kobe FG% WITHOUT SHAQ

06: 50%

07: 46%

08: 48%

09: 46%

10: 46%

11: 45%

12: 44%


I don't care about this thread at all, but the reason for that increase was clearly the rules changes that basically made it impossible to guard the likes of Kobe and Wade...

[Smoke117]

Lol like you can talk majority of your post are Kobe related.

Kind of an unavoidable topic, no? I'm not making the threads.

[tpols]

lol

...

FG% in the PO by the year WITH SHAQ

97: 37%

98: 41%

99: 43%

00: 44%

01: 46%

02: 44%

03: 43%

04: 41%

Kobe FG% WITHOUT SHAQ

06: 50%

07: 46%

08: 48%

09: 46%

10: 46%

11: 45%

12: 44%

yall gonna have to come with a different argument, if we took out the Shaq years.. Kobe's efficiency sky rockets

Dat ether..

it went up a bit with the removal of physical play in the regular season.. but still, a 45+ proven shooter w/o shaq. And had more room to operate with pau Or odom.

Either way.. Lebron gained huge efficiency gains from having a wade to fall back on. Kobe never had a scorer/creator that level.. and often had to shoot all tough perimeter shots himself.

[JohnFreeman]

Meltinggg

[plowking]

Put yet here you are hating on Kobe the usual suspects are Lebron stans that click on Kobe threads just to nitpick and downplay his accomplishments it gets old and tired some after a while. If you don't like Kobe why respond to any of his threads just to troll ignore it just as I have with Lebron threads. I hate Lebron always have, always will but I respect the hell out of him and his game you won't ever see me on any Lebron threads hating on him his stans are flat out crazy.

Which bit of my posts did you find serious? Let me know.

Sure, I'm hating on Kobe by shining a mirror in OP's face and using his own retard logic against him.

[r15mohd]

Dat ether..

it went up a bit with the removal of physical play in the regular season.. but still, a 45+ proven shooter w/o shaq. And had more room to operate with pau Or odom.

Either way.. Lebron gained huge efficiency gains from having a wade to fall back on. Kobe never had a scorer/creator that level.. and often had to shoot all tough perimeter shots himself.


The length at which some people to to discredit Pau is ridiculous...he was an automatic 20/10 player with the Lakers these years. You'd be lucky to get 10 rebounds out of Bosh and Wade combined for most nights. Then there's Odom who's a guaranteed 10/10 off the bench, and Bynum 12/10 at Center.

Who really had more efficiency gains with all this talent around them? :rolleyes: :facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

The length at which some people to to discredit Pau is ridiculous...he was an automatic 20/10 player with the Lakers these years. You'd be lucky to get 10 rebounds out of Bosh and Wade combined for most nights. Then there's Odom who's a guaranteed 10/10 off the bench, and Bynum 12/10 at Center.

Who really had more efficiency gains with all this talent around them? :rolleyes: :facepalm

he literally averaged this once during the playoffs as a laker

and Bynum never averaged anything close to 12/10 during the lakers championship years

...

[tpols]

The length at which some people to to discredit Pau is ridiculous...he was an automatic 20/10 player with the Lakers these years. You'd be lucky to get 10 rebounds out of Bosh and Wade combined for most nights. Then there's Odom who's a guaranteed 10/10 off the bench, and Bynum 12/10 at Center.

Who really had more efficiency gains with all this talent around them? :rolleyes: :facepalm

I said "creator/scorer".. ..:facepalm

[r15mohd]

he literally averaged this once during the playoffs as a laker

and Bynum never averaged anything close to 12/10 during the lakers championship years

...

That's my fault, I referenced altogether stats...pau did have a 20/10 in 2010 and a 19/11 in 2009 during the playoffs however....basically the same. Odom was the same, as for Bynum, Offense wasn't his need in the playoffs, it was his inside presence in keeping the lane clear of attackers.

Stats never tell the full story...don't dismiss the intangibles on why this Laker team had such a run

[r15mohd]

I said "creator/scorer".. ..:facepalm

Wow, these points by these other players not named Kobe must have all been alley-oops or the famous hockey assists from Kobe :rolleyes:

[tpols]

Wow, these points by these other players not named Kobe must have all been alley-oops or the famous hockey assists from Kobe :rolleyes:

Wut.....

Wade was a 25+ppg scorer first year with bran.. 23+ next. 30 before. paus never been that level. wade was on another level scoring and creating with the ball than pau. Stop being A reetard.

[TheMarkMadsen]

That's my fault, I referenced altogether stats...pau did have a 20/10 in 2010 and a 19/11 in 2009 during the playoffs however....basically the same. Odom was the same, as for Bynum, Offense wasn't his need in the playoffs, it was his inside presence in keeping the lane clear of attackers.

Stats never tell the full story...don't dismiss the intangibles on why this Laker team had such a run

**tries to use stats to back up his claim**

post wrong stats

"stats never tell the full story"

:lol :lol

Bynum averaged 20 mpg during the 2 peat.. put up 7 & 5 combined average for both seasons.. that's Chris Anderson numbers..

Odom at the most inconsistent 10/9 you'll ever see in your life, and since when was 10/9 the type of stats used to show how much help somebody supposedly had..

the highest ppg Kobe ever got out of his 3rd option during those championship years was 12ppg..

Bosh put up 19ppg in the playoffs as the 3rd option in 11 and then 14 & 15 the other years.. the one year he put up 12ppg you bran stans were screaming "no help"

but now all of a sudden that 12 ppg is supposed to be some elite help for Kobe..?

ok gtfo

[J Shuttlesworth]

Curious, what are the reb/assist numbers?

[Smoke117]

**tries to use stats to back up his claim**

post wrong stats

"stats never tell the full story"

:lol :lol

Bynum averaged 20 mpg during the 2 peat.. put up 7 & 5 combined average for both seasons.. that's Chris Anderson numbers..

Odom at the most inconsistent 10/9 you'll ever see in your life, and since when was 10/9 the type of stats used to show how much help somebody supposedly had..

the highest ppg Kobe ever got out of his 3rd option during those championship years was 12ppg..

Bosh put up 19ppg in the playoffs as the 3rd option in 11 and then 14 & 15 the other years.. the one year he put up 12ppg you bran stans were screaming "no help"

but now all of a sudden that 12 ppg is supposed to be some elite help for Kobe..?

ok gtfo

Odom was BY FAR the best defensive player with the biggest impact in that regard on those 09, 10 championships. Why do all you kobe stans go out of your way to diminish his contributions? Not only that, but you also go out of your way to belittle the man for his poor life choices. How big of you all...

[r15mohd]

**tries to use stats to back up his claim**

post wrong stats

"stats never tell the full story"

:lol :lol

Bynum averaged 20 mpg during the 2 peat.. put up 7 & 5 combined average for both seasons.. that's Chris Anderson numbers..

Odom at the most inconsistent 10/9 you'll ever see in your life, and since when was 10/9 the type of stats used to show how much help somebody supposedly had..

the highest ppg Kobe ever got out of his 3rd option during those championship years was 12ppg..

Bosh put up 19ppg in the playoffs as the 3rd option in 11 and then 14 & 15 the other years.. the one year he put up 12ppg you bran stans were screaming "no help"

but now all of a sudden that 12 ppg is supposed to be some elite help for Kobe..?

ok gtfo


Let's play the devils advocate a bit...you said pau didn't put up 20/10, yet he did on both title runs. 10/10 from odom playing 30 mins off the bench is pretty Fcking good as the 6th man.and again, three 7ft players did what to the opposition as far as penetrating? Yes, that is something stats don't tell you.

As for bosh and Wade...outside of 2011, Wade has been missing for the most part and bosh is still yet to be found. Do u really want to compare the playoffs of the 08-10 lakers to front court to Wade/Bosh of 10-14? Let's just put it out their, the Lakers are better by a pretty ridiculous margin :facepalm:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Odom was BY FAR the best defensive player with the biggest impact in that regard on those 09, 10 championships. Why do all you kobe stans go out of your way to diminish his contributions? Not only that, but you also go out of your way to belittle the man for his poor life choices. How big of you all...


http://i4.minus.com/ibratAlAduLc5G.jpg

[TheMarkMadsen]

Let's play the devils advocate a bit...you said pau didn't put up 20/10, yet he did on both title runs. 10/10 from odom playing 30 mins off the bench is pretty Fcking good as the 6th man.and again, three 7ft players did what to the opposition as far as penetrating? Yes, that is something stats don't tell you.

As for bosh and Wade...outside of 2011, Wade has been missing for the most part and bosh is still yet to be found. Do u really want to compare the playoffs of the 08-10 lakers to front court to Wade/Bosh of 10-14? Let's just put it out their, the Lakers are better by a pretty ridiculous margin :facepalm:

2012 Wade playoffs: 23/5/4/2/1... finals: 23/6/5/2


2012 Bosh playoffs

14/8/.... finals: 15/9



2013 finals Wade: 20/4/5/2/1

you literally have been caught lying in almost every post you've made in this thread

[Smoke117]

See this how delusional you Kobe stans are...you seriously think Kobe was the best and most impactful defensive player on those Laker teams? :wtf: I don't think it's even possible to be more full of shit than you lot are. He wasn't even top 3 as far as impact and worth defensively.

[PJR]

As for bosh and Wade...outside of 2011, Wade has been missing for the most part and bosh is still yet to be found. Do u really want to compare the playoffs of the 08-10 lakers to front court to Wade/Bosh of 10-14? Let's just put it out their, the Lakers are better by a pretty ridiculous margin :facepalm:

Yeah...you're an idiot.

[r15mohd]

2012 Wade playoffs: 23/5/4/2/1... finals: 23/6/5/2


2012 Bosh playoffs

14/8/.... finals: 15/9



2013 finals Wade: 20/4/5/2/1

you literally have been caught lying in almost every post you've made in this thread


Lmao at lying...it's no secret both Wade and Bosh were completely inconsistent during their run, and to a degree missing games from the run as well. Wade in that 2013 finals had 1 really good game, marginal another and missing the rest. bosh had a 0pt 7th game (funny how that 2013 stat line was omitted for Bosh :rolleyes:)

Underlying fact...no one is choosing the 2010-14 Wade/Bosh over the 2008-10 Laker front court. You can lie to yourself in thinking they're better, but reality is reality...we don't work with the Stan-world.

[oh the horror]

http://i4.minus.com/ibratAlAduLc5G.jpg




Apparently dudes forgot about how inconsistent odom was back then. You'd be thanking him one game and wanting to kill his ass the next game

[DFish24]

Someone should add Smoke117 and r15mohd's posts to the dumbest things ever said on ISH thread. Odom was by far the Lakers best defender and Odom/Gasol>Wade/Bosh now? :roll: Where do you guys come up with this stuff.

[TheMarkMadsen]

See this how delusional you Kobe stans are...you seriously think Kobe was the best and most impactful defensive player on those Laker teams? :wtf: I don't think it's even possible to be more full of shit than you lot are. He wasn't even top 3 as far as impact and worth defensively.

it must suck to be stupid, angry and delusional

you expect to be taken seriously saying shit like this??

I haven't said shit about Kobe having the most defensive impact, stop PMSing little boy

it's so obvious you weren't watching during these runs


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/pv7JXGslhYQ/hqdefault.jpg

[Nash]

so you remove lebrons years with miami yet you leave kobe's years as 2nd option playing with the most dominant force and a guy who always had to be double teamed which left Kobe with the privilege of not being double teamed?

cool stats yo

[Smoke117]

I don't even know why I bother...I give up. You win. I'm done posting in any thread that has anything to do with Kobe or Lebron. (which is going to severely limit the amount of threads I can post in lol)

[TheMarkMadsen]

so you remove lebrons years with miami yet you leave kobe's years as 2nd option playing with the most dominant force and a guy who always had to be double teamed which left Kobe with the privilege of not being double teamed?

cool stats yo


its like you just ignore the ether's that everybody else who tried to bring up this point received

[chazzy]

so you remove lebrons years with miami yet you leave kobe's years as 2nd option playing with the most dominant force and a guy who always had to be double teamed which left Kobe with the privilege of not being double teamed?

cool stats yo
Read the thread yo. His efficiency was worse without Shaq yo. So it doesn't artificially boost his stats yo.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I don't even know why I bother...I give up. You win. I'm done posting in any thread that has anything to do with Kobe or Lebron. (which is going to severely limit the amount of threads I post in lol)

i know that i do

anybody trying to claim Odom was the best defensive player on the Lakers is going to take an L

[Smoke117]

i know that i do

anybody trying to claim Odom was the best defensive player on the Lakers is going to take an L

He was easily the best defensive player from the two championship era. If you ever took your head out of kobe's ass you might have seen that.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He was easily the best defensive player from the two championship era. If you ever took your head out of kobe's ass you might have seen that.

after I post Ariza's picture you still say shit like this, you have nothing.. :facepalm :facepalm

please take your own advice and get out of this thread

[TheMarkMadsen]

Apparently dudes forgot about how inconsistent odom was back then. You'd be thanking him one game and wanting to kill his ass the next game

yeah the fact that he was terribly inconsistent was pretty well known, i remember when they tried attributing it to his candy eating habits :lol :lol

[Droid101]

He was easily the best defensive player from the two championship era. If you ever took your head out of kobe's ass you might have seen that.
:roll:

[buddha]

all the LeBron stans saying Kobe was never doubled or tripled team seriously makes me wonder if you guys have ever seen him play..

go watch any of his highlights from the playoffs and you'll see that he is double/triple teamed most of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyCysXZnahk&hd=1

watch him destroy the suns in '10 despite constantly facing doubles and triples..

I've watched every LeBron playoff game for the past 5 years and he rarely gets double teamed.

[ArbitraryWater]

OP once again making so much sense..

[MP.Trey]

Two great players... Is this supposed to be a diss?

[VengefulAngel]

So Kobe isn't better than Lebron at his primary focus and scoring is one of the worst facets of Lebron's game.

Idiot just proved Lebron is far better than Kobe.

[Ca$H]

TheMarkMadsen destroying delusional Kobe haters with facts. :bowdown:

[ISHGoat]

all the LeBron stans saying Kobe was never doubled or tripled team seriously makes me wonder if you guys have ever seen him play..

go watch any of his highlights from the playoffs and you'll see that he is double/triple teamed most of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyCysXZnahk&hd=1

watch him destroy the suns in '10 despite constantly facing doubles and triples..

I've watched every LeBron playoff game for the past 5 years and he rarely gets double teamed.

He does get double teamed, he just doesn't chuck fadeaway 22 footers over double teams like your boy kobrick cos he passes

[Velocirap31]

They don't double team Lebron because he is too good of a passer and will find the open player almost immediately. Teams have learned this.

However, you double team Kobe and he doesn't have the passing skills to find the open guy like Lebron does.

[r15mohd]

Someone should add Smoke117 and r15mohd's posts to the dumbest things ever said on ISH thread. Odom was by far the Lakers best defender and Odom/Gasol>Wade/Bosh now? :roll: Where do you guys come up with this stuff.


it's actually Bynum/Odom/Gasol...:rolleyes:

and I'd love to see a poll where knowing what we know during their respective years, who is going to take Wade/Bosh for 2010-14 vs 2008-10 Lakers front court.

[Velocirap31]

Bynum/Odom/Gasol >>> Wade/Bosh

Wade was 1/2 a man and Bosh was a spot up shooter and not even a very good one, certainly not consistent.

[Quickening]

Yes lets take out Lebrons peak years when for the first time in his career he was surrounded by good players... :facepalm

[r15mohd]

here's how hypocritical you are on Bynum. with basically the same output as Chandler during the Mavs run, Bynum was their defensive anchor in the paint for the Lakers, yet for all Kobe stans, they dismiss anyone who's put up anything to try and heighten Kobe as being the sole reason the Lakers were winning :rolleyes: :facepalm

Bynum - 9/7 in 24mins during the 2010 playoffs
Chandler - 8/9 in 33mins during the 2011 playoffs


"Tyson was the perfect compliment to Dirk and as we've seen before Dirk & the Mavs historically struggle in the playoffs without a defensive stopper." -TheMarkMadsen

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9468010&postcount=1

what was Kobe's struggle without relatively descent big upfront?



"I agree that Chandler is overpaid, but in the context of what he brought to the Mavs, and how he was a huge part in them winning a championship i'm genuinly surprised Cuban wasn't willing to shell out the dough" - TheMarkMadsen

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9468219&postcount=12

exactly the same scenario in what Bynum provided to the Lakers during their run



"An elite rim protector is the most important piece you can acquire when building around a player like Dirk." - TheMarkMadsen

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9469219&postcount=20

same goes for Kobe...he's proven without inside presence to help him, he's at best, a 1st round exit

[bingo123]

I like it how all the stats are rounded to fit your agenda... Great job.

[r15mohd]

I like it how all the stats are rounded to fit your agenda... Great job.

Playoffs per game:
Andrew Bynum - 24.4mins 8.6pts 6.9rebs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html


Tyson Chandler - 32.4mins 8.0pts 9.2reb
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2011.html

[bingo123]

Playoffs per game:
Andrew Bynum - 24.4mins 8.6pts 6.9rebs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html


Tyson Chandler - 32.4mins 8.0pts 9.2reb
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2011.html




hold this L for being an idiot :rolleyes: :facepalm

I should of made it clear, I was referring to OP.

[r15mohd]

I should of made it clear, I was referring to OP.



:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :cheers: