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chairman
05-14-2015, 01:56 PM
Jumper yet?

We see all sorts of players improving their range year after year.

We have Lebron on the other hand who hasn't improved his shot. You would think since he's getting older he would at least work on his jumper. :confusedshrug:

SourSamCassell
05-14-2015, 01:57 PM
Why hasn't Derrick improved his IQ?

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chairman
05-14-2015, 02:02 PM
Why hasn't Derrick improved his IQ?

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumb,

Not a D Rose fan but nice try:applause:

Everyone knows Rose has low IQ

nba_55
05-14-2015, 02:03 PM
Why are you so insecure?

- Kobald 2/7

chairman
05-14-2015, 02:04 PM
Why are you so insecure?

- Kobald 2/7

Why are you so insecure?

- Kobald 2/7

nba_55
05-14-2015, 02:04 PM
Why are you so insecure?

- Kobald 2/7

Why are you so insecure?

- Kobald 2/7

Nuff Said
05-14-2015, 02:04 PM
He's not a natural jumpshooter. He should focus more on post play and bulldozing drives.

JerrySeinfeld
05-14-2015, 02:04 PM
They asked him about this when Durant went 50/40/90 one year and LeBron basically said that he could shoot 50/40/90, but doesn't "want to."

So there's your answer OP, he could do it if he wanted to, but he doesn't.

chairman
05-14-2015, 02:05 PM
They asked him about this when Durant went 50/40/90 one year and LeBron basically said that he could shoot 50/40/90, but doesn't "want to."

So there's your answer OP, he could do it if he wanted to, but he doesn't.

Well if he had a shot, this series would be over by now

k0kakw0rld
05-14-2015, 02:29 PM
Jumper yet?

We see all sorts of players improving their range year after year.

We have Lebron on the other hand who hasn't improved his shot. You would think since he's getting older he would at least work on his jumper. :confusedshrug:
You'd think ater all those years facing LeBron, Rose will learn how to win against him, yet it does not look like he has learned anything. :confusedshrug:

chairman
05-14-2015, 02:31 PM
You'd think ater all those years facing LeBron, Rose will learn how to win against him, yet it does not look like he has learned anything. :confusedshrug:
After all these years, Rose taught himself to shoot. On the other hand, you have lebron working on flopping

RRR3
05-14-2015, 02:38 PM
He did. See 2014 LeBron. For whatever reason he forgot how to shoot again.

k0kakw0rld
05-14-2015, 02:39 PM
After all these years, Rose taught himself to shoot. On the other hand, you have lebron working on flopping
Rose was never able to shoot til this day...

3ball
05-14-2015, 02:42 PM
We have Lebron on the other hand who hasn't improved his shot. You would think since he's getting older he would at least work on his jumper. :confusedshrug:


Lebron can't be an all-time great shooter like Bird or Miller because he just doesn't have their shooting touch...

Other all-time great shooters like MJ or Ray Allen had touch as well, but they also had flawless form, so obviously, Lebron has no chance of reaching that level.. Jerry West (of all people) called MJ the greatest jumpshooter in the game (last sentence, 2nd paragraph):

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-05-12/magazine/tm-3107_1_michael-jordan/4

AintNoSunshine
05-14-2015, 02:44 PM
After all these years, Rose taught himself to shoot. On the other hand, you have lebron working on flopping
How many rings or mvps has his laser guided sharp shooting win him?

StrongLurk
05-14-2015, 02:49 PM
Jumper yet?

We see all sorts of players improving their range year after year.

We have Lebron on the other hand who hasn't improved his shot. You would think since he's getting older he would at least work on his jumper. :confusedshrug:

He did improve his jumper. Did you watch his last two years in Miami?

He is just in a cold streak now.

choppermagic
05-14-2015, 02:53 PM
They asked him about this when Durant went 50/40/90 one year and LeBron basically said that he could shoot 50/40/90, but doesn't "want to."

So there's your answer OP, he could do it if he wanted to, but he doesn't.

Yeah, he also said he could win the scoring title each year but he doesnt want to either.

I guess it's like I could be dating Kate Upton but I just dont want to :)

Le Shaqtus
05-14-2015, 02:57 PM
He's a fantastic 3 point shooter.

Mid Range has always been lacking, but he's always a threat from 3.

Relinquish
05-14-2015, 03:05 PM
He's a fantastic 3 point shooter.

Mid Range has always been lacking, but he's always a threat from 3.

Not in the postseason so far this year.

3ball
05-14-2015, 03:21 PM
He's a fantastic 3 point shooter.

Mid Range has always been lacking


he's definitely not "fantastic" from 3.. that would be a guy like curry or klay.. he's not near their level.

also, it hurts Lebron's game bigtime that he isn't a good mid-range shooter - mid-range are the toughest shots for a defense to prevent completely.

i.e. penetration can be prevented.. 3-pointers can be heavily contested to prevent the shot or plummet the percentage.. But good mid-range shooters are willing to face heavy contests and they can still hit a high percentage, which makes the shot less preventable than any other scoring method and more effective in 2nd halves or 4th quarters when the defense is tightest.

VengefulAngel
05-14-2015, 03:32 PM
Some of you are dismissing what he has done in 3 years (over 1000 3s) over a 10 game shooting stretch of being ice cold. It's called variability.

ImKobe
05-14-2015, 03:50 PM
lebron either bricks every jumper he takes or he goes super hot

Kvnzhangyay
05-14-2015, 03:52 PM
he's definitely not "fantastic" from 3.. that would be a guy like curry or klay.. he's not near their level.

also, it hurts Lebron's game bigtime that he isn't a good mid-range shooter - mid-range are the toughest shots for a defense to prevent completely.

i.e. penetration can be prevented.. 3-pointers can be heavily contested to prevent the shot or plummet the percentage.. But good mid-range shooters are willing to face heavy contests and they can still hit a high percentage, which makes the shot less preventable than any other scoring method and more effective in 2nd halves or 4th quarters when the defense is tightest.

why is it easier to contest a three than a midrange?

nzahir
05-14-2015, 04:33 PM
In 2013 and 2013 he was actually an elite mid range shooter and in 2013 was shooting 40% from 3. Hes an average 3 point shooter in career, a bit better actually and when he gets hot from anywhere he can shoot with the best of them

ISHGoat
05-14-2015, 04:37 PM
why is it easier to contest a three than a midrange?

cos you can close out on a 3 pt shooter by sprinting at them, but once you get taken off the dribble and the attacker pulls up for a midrange shot, theres going to be a lot of space between defender and his man

HurricaneKid
05-14-2015, 04:39 PM
After all these years, Rose taught himself to shoot. On the other hand, you have lebron working on flopping

D Rose 3pt % the last 2 years = 29.2%

Take any two seasons in LBJs career and avg them and its >>>>>>> D Rose.

In other words: NO.

MP.Trey
05-14-2015, 04:39 PM
His jumper is super improved, he's just in a slump.

His free throws, on the other hand, have always needed to get better. Especially for how high volume of a FT shooter he is.

J Shuttlesworth
05-14-2015, 06:23 PM
Rose is a God awful shooter. His jumper has not improved. He shot 28% from 3 on high volume and. 493 TS over the entire season. He's also only shot over .500 TS once in the playoffs

04mzwach
05-14-2015, 06:28 PM
He knows that shooting well takes a lot of hard work but didn't want to practice that much. He needed a break this summer and most likely he will be better next season.

Black and White
05-14-2015, 06:28 PM
LeBron has always been a streaky shooter, when the shot is falling, hes impossible to stop, I thought people knew this?

chairman
05-14-2015, 07:10 PM
LeBron has always been a streaky shooter, when the shot is falling, hes impossible to stop, I thought people knew this?
There's a difference between streaky shooter and shooting 15% from 3 in the playoffs

ILLsmak
05-14-2015, 07:22 PM
He's a fantastic 3 point shooter.

Mid Range has always been lacking, but he's always a threat from 3.

He's pretty good at wide open 3s and sometimes makes crazy 3s, but generally not.

The issue is if someone is guarding him. If he's open, he is pretty wet.

-Smak

fragokota
05-14-2015, 07:26 PM
He's pretty good at wide open 3s and sometimes makes crazy 3s, but generally not.

The issue is if someone is guarding him. If he's open, he is pretty wet.

-Smak

He's handling the ball way too much in Cleveland (at least in the playoffs that i've seen), very few "catch and shoot" unlike MIA

KungFuJoe
05-14-2015, 07:27 PM
Lebron's jumper is kinda broke. Mechanics just aren't smooth. Neither is his game.

plowking
05-14-2015, 07:30 PM
He's pretty good at wide open 3s and sometimes makes crazy 3s, but generally not.

The issue is if someone is guarding him. If he's open, he is pretty wet.

-Smak

The stats show otherwise over the last 5 years. He shoots better when guarded in fact. Your opinion doesn't really hold any merit over facts.

Big Cheese
05-14-2015, 07:37 PM
he shot 40% from 3 last year in the playoffs his shot has improved...

part of the reason why his 3 point percentage is so shit is because for whatever, he isnt shooting in rhythm anymore and has gone back to his old habits jab stepping 5 times before shooting in someone's face.

ILLsmak
05-14-2015, 07:43 PM
The stats show otherwise over the last 5 years. He shoots better when guarded in fact. Your opinion doesn't really hold any merit over facts.

I guess I'd have to know what the definition of guarded is.

I mean someone in his face. Not a defender backed off him, where he still has his dribble.

Like I said, he can make some pretty crazy 3s from time to time, but in general, if he's gotta work too hard for any shot he's not a good shooter. Which is why he's 'good at 3s but not at midrange.'

I've seen him jack some crazy 1 inch of space 3s. He can get a shot up vs anyone at any time, but I disagree that he's better at shooting contested jumpers than non-contested. I'd like to see those stats as well as their criteria.

Postm.

Edit: Also this is what I'm talking about...


He's handling the ball way too much in Cleveland (at least in the playoffs that i've seen), very few "catch and shoot" unlike MIA

Bron makes the good looks I've seen him shoot. Maybe they're not 'wide open' like if they make wide open mean with 10 feet of space or something vs 3 feet. I guess I should have said 'uncontested' instead of wide open because dude is not very often wide open.


-Smak

Leftimage
05-14-2015, 09:31 PM
Jumper yet?

We see all sorts of players improving their range year after year.

We have Lebron on the other hand who hasn't improved his shot. You would think since he's getting older he would at least work on his jumper. :confusedshrug:

He improved it dramatically, but now as his athleticism slowly declines I'd imagine it is getting harder to create separation like he used to. Probably just needs to change his approach and take more open shots.
From what I recall he's still an excellent spot-up shooter too. How many of those shots has he gotten in CLE this season? Practically none...

In any case, I'd imagine if he remains a wing player his FG% will drop as he progresses through his 30s, as we have seen with MJ and Kobe.

MJ: consistent 52-53% range until 2nd Chip at 30, then down to 50% til 1st retirement, down to 48% during second 3peat.. Kobe started hitting new lows around 32 yrsold

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