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fandarko
05-15-2015, 02:09 PM
...against arguably Europe's best team CSKA Moscow.

I mean, I can't remember a tougher game in terms of defensive pressure and physical intensity.

It was ugly, you couldn't get a clean look to save your life.

Spanoulis sucked for 20 minutes or so. Coach takes him out and brings him back in the 4th, with CSKA up a couple of points (they were up by 8 at most).

In a rythm where each point feels like you scored 5, he sinks three contested three pointers (including the last one that seals the game) and one in your face rainbow jumper (13 points in total, 11 in the last quarter).

He played stonefaced the whole game, including this last quarter, no emotions whatsoever. He is 7-0 in final four games in his career.

One of the most incredible performances I have ever seen, hands down.

Nick Young
05-15-2015, 02:11 PM
2.8 ppg 19% 3 point shooting scrub is Lebron James in Euroleague:roll: :roll: :roll:

Says everything you need to know about the quality of basketball being played over there.:lol

Marchesk
05-15-2015, 02:11 PM
Wilt Chamberlain

Taller than CP3
05-15-2015, 02:12 PM
wtf are you talking about

MP.Trey
05-15-2015, 02:13 PM
Did Real Madrid win their game? Can't wait for them to rip Vagisillis Spoonless a new one and have Euroleague crying that the game was rigged.

jamal99
05-15-2015, 02:14 PM
He was so bad in the first half, but won the game for Oly as per usual...


Did Real Madrid win their game? Can't wait for them to rip Vagisillis Spoonless a new one and have Euroleague crying that the game was rigged.
They start in about 45 minutes, but Fener got that on lock :D

Euroleague
05-15-2015, 02:14 PM
2.8 ppg 19% 3 point shooting scrub is Lebron James in Euroleague:roll: :roll: :roll:

Says everything you need to know about the quality of basketball being played over there.:lol

He's Michael Jordan of Euroleague at minimum. Same effect Jordan had, only with vastly inferior team, with much harder defense rules, much more strict refs, and against other teams that are much better than his team by comparison.

inclinerator
05-15-2015, 02:16 PM
replace his team with the cavs against the bulls and i dont think they'd put up 20 points

Milbuck
05-15-2015, 02:16 PM
He's Michael Jordan of Euroleague at minimum. Same effect Jordan had, only with vastly inferior team, with much harder defense rules, much more strict refs, and against other teams that are much better than his team by comparison.
Right, and also in a league with high school JV level competition.

fandarko
05-15-2015, 02:17 PM
2.8 ppg 19% 3 point shooting scrub is Lebron James in Euroleague:roll: :roll: :roll:

Says everything you need to know about the quality of basketball being played over there.:lol

You don't have a clue, it's a completely different game.

It's too tight and physical, the paint is crowded (no defensive 3 seconds), they should make some changes to the rules.

No NBA team would have an easy time against these 4 Euroleague teams under such rules.

24-Inch_Chrome
05-15-2015, 02:19 PM
He's Kwame Brown of Euroleague at maximum. Same effect Kwame had, only playing with vastly inferior teams, with much weaker defenses, and against other teams that are much better than his team by comparison but are still equivalent to low tier D-League squads.

I agree.

Nick Young
05-15-2015, 02:19 PM
He's Michael Jordan of Euroleague at minimum. Same effect Jordan had, only with vastly inferior team, with much harder defense rules, much more strict refs, and against other teams that are much better than his team by comparison.
Let's check out some exciting Spanoulis highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JqiaYG-TVk

Eric Cartman
05-15-2015, 02:20 PM
Olimpiakos would beat the Cavs.

Euroleague
05-15-2015, 02:21 PM
You don't have a clue, it's a completely different game.

It's too tight and physical, the paint is crowded (no defensive 3 seconds), they should make some changes to the rules.

No NBA team would have an easy time against these 4 Euroleague teams under such rules.

Euroleague has actually been lobbying to change to the NBA court and 3 point line, but FIBA won't allow it because that would affect all of the national leagues and federations. It is interesting though that in FIBA's new premiere league proposal, they suggested that the rules should be made uniform with the NBA by 2017.

However, both FIBA and Euroleague are 100% against the true zone defense being removed, because that would turn their game into an entertainment show like the NBA.

I agree that they need to open up the floor a little bit and make the court dimensions and 3 point shot the same though. The spacing is too crowded. A huge and very athletic team like CSKA (which is huge and extremely athletic compared to any NBA team) just wreaks havoc under the FIBA court and rules.

Mr. Jabbar
05-15-2015, 02:21 PM
this is the michael jordan of the euroleague guys:













































http://www.scouting4u.com/upload/scout2win/players/18406/SPANOULIS.jpg


:applause: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

fandarko
05-15-2015, 02:22 PM
He's Michael Jordan of Euroleague at minimum. Same effect Jordan had, only with vastly inferior team, with much harder defense rules, much more strict refs, and against other teams that are much better than his team by comparison.

Let's be real, Spanoulis is past his prime.

He brought his A game in the last quarter alone and it was enough to decide the winner.

The way Euroleague basketball is played is that you simply can't have dominant scorers. It's soo different than the NBA.

The rotations are tighter, star players don't have nearly as much freedom as in the NBA. It's awfully difficult to score.

It's not only the physicality and the rules, it's the fact that you don't have the requisite number of touches or the freedom to create and try.

I honestly think Kentucky or Duke wouldn't score more than 30 points in such a setting. With the defensive intensity these two teams played tonight, they would beat the top NCAA teams by 50.

It's like comparing oranges to apples.

Nick Young
05-15-2015, 02:22 PM
You don't have a clue, it's a completely different game.

It's too tight and physical, the paint is crowded (no defensive 3 seconds), they should make some changes to the rules.

No NBA team would have an easy time against these 4 Euroleague teams under such rules.
So in a league where there is more spacing and worse defense Spanoulis could only average 2.8 ppg a game and couldn't even beat out Rafer Alston for a starting guard spot? :confusedshrug:

24-Inch_Chrome
05-15-2015, 02:23 PM
Euroleague is a ****ing joke. I'd rather watch the WNBA, much higher level of basketball.

Nick Young
05-15-2015, 02:25 PM
Is he better than the other Euroleague Michael Jordan aka Anthony Parker?
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0430/nba_g_aparkereuro_200.jpg

Euroleague
05-15-2015, 02:28 PM
Right, and also in a league with high school JV level competition.

CSKA

SF Sonny Weems/Andrei Kirilenko
PF Andrei Vorontsevich/Victor Khryapa

When healthy, 3 of 4 players are better than Nikola Mirotic, and the one that is not (Weems) is 10 times less of a pu$$y than Mirotic is and is also better than him on defense. Which means he could actually be more useful than him in serious basketball.

Yet, Mirotic was out there in the Bulls - Cavs playoffs series quite a bit, and people are claiming the Bulls want to fire Thibodeau for not playing him more....

Yeah, that is some "high school JV level competition".....

Lay off the crack pipe.

:biggums:

Milbuck
05-15-2015, 02:31 PM
CSKA

SF Sonny Weems/Andrei Kirilenko
PF Andrei Vorontsevich/Victor Khryapa

When healthy, 3 of 4 players are better than Nikola Mirotic, and the one that is not (Weems) is 10 times less of a pu$$y than Mirotic is and is also better than him on defense. Which means he could actually be more useful than him in serious basketball.

Yet, Mirotic was out there in the Bulls - Cavs playoffs series quite a bit, and people are claiming the Bulls want to fire Thibodeau for not playing him more....

Yeah, that is some "high school JV level competition".....

Lay off the crack pipe.

:biggums:
Mirotic is the 2nd greatest Euroleague player of all time just behind Giannis. Show some respect.

Euroleague
05-15-2015, 02:32 PM
Let's be real, Spanoulis is past his prime.

He brought his A game in the last quarter alone and it was enough to decide the winner.

The way Euroleague basketball is played is that you simply can't have dominant scorers. It's soo different than the NBA.

The rotations are tighter, star players don't have nearly as much freedom as in the NBA. It's awfully difficult to score.

It's not only the physicality and the rules, it's the fact that you don't have the requisite number of touches or the freedom to create and try.

I honestly think Kentucky or Duke wouldn't score more than 30 points in such a setting. With the defensive intensity these two teams played tonight, they would beat the top NCAA teams by 50.

It's like comparing oranges to apples.

I meant by impact.

Spanoulis is not past his prime. He actually gets better every year, similar to players like Nash and Olajuwon.

CSKA simply put huge and extremely athletic defenders on him and stacked the paint (not even allowed under NBA rules) and then if he made a drive, they sent 2 weak side shot blockers at him.

It just took him awhile to figure out tactically what their defense was, which was quite smart by Itoudis, who knows him extremely well, since he coached him for 4 years in a club and also several years in national team play.

Once he figured out what they were doing, he took his time and picked the hell out of them, by taking Vorontsevich and De Colo out on the elbow in ISO where they could not get help on switches and no weak side help either. Then he destroyed them.

24-Inch_Chrome
05-15-2015, 02:33 PM
A sophomore NBA player is better than the Euroleague GOAT. Let that sink in.

Mr. Jabbar
05-15-2015, 02:34 PM
A sophomore NBA player is better than the Euroleague GOAT. Let that sink in.

:oldlol:

seriously, who watches that shit? and why does op feel devotion?

Eric Cartman
05-15-2015, 02:34 PM
Spanoulis was 4/15 shooting the ball (26%) if anyone cares.

fandarko
05-15-2015, 02:35 PM
Euroleague is a ****ing joke. I'd rather watch the WNBA, much higher level of basketball.

You clearly don't have a clue, any debate is pointless.

Like I said, it's a completely different game.

You should ask any US player who plays there how hard it is to score the ball.

How complicated it is to get minutes.

A child would say "Harden would average 30 there".

But Harden wouldn't play more than 27-28 minutes in a top Euroleague team.

He would have to play defense.

He wouldn't get nearly as many touches.

He would have to rely more on his outside scoring, forget about driving to the basket as much as he does.

Forget about having the green light to shoot it every time you want.

It's team first.

Granted, the top 20-40 players would be equally successful (thought their numbers would probably be slightly down).

But for everybody else - it would be a complicated process to adjust, if ever.

Because IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAME.

24-Inch_Chrome
05-15-2015, 02:35 PM
:oldlol:

seriously, who watches that shit? and why does op feel devotion?

Hicks from Arkansas and people in Europe who don't get the NBA on TV. :lol

fandarko
05-15-2015, 02:36 PM
Spanoulis was 4/15 shooting the ball (26%) if anyone cares.

He scored these four field goals in the clutch (3-3 from three and 1-1 from two).

Without having watched the game you can't grasp the level of intensity and pressure. It was point for point.

Eric Cartman
05-15-2015, 02:38 PM
Spanoulis shot 26%, Printezis carried him once again (just like he did vs Barca hitting the game winner).

4-15, 26%.

24-Inch_Chrome
05-15-2015, 02:38 PM
http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/funny%20gifs/grand/retard-funny-gifs-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-804.gif

:sleeping

NBA > NCAA > WNBA > High School basketball > Euroleague.

fandarko
05-15-2015, 02:39 PM
A sophomore NBA player is better than the Euroleague GOAT. Let that sink in.

It's like saying that the Harison twins are better than the late Drazen Petrovic ever was.

I can't think of anything more clueless.

Euroleague
05-15-2015, 02:39 PM
He scored these four field goals in the clutch (3-3 from three and 1-1 from two).

Without having watched the game you can't grasp the level of intensity and pressure. It was point for point.

Coach Nick will probably soon do a breakdown of the game, and claim that "an average mid major college team in the US can beat either one of those teams"...........

:rolleyes:

Eric Cartman
05-15-2015, 02:41 PM
Player Index Rating vs CSKA Moscow:

Printezis = 22

Spanoulos = 3

Carried :coleman:

Not to mention 54% shooting vs 26% :coleman: :coleman:

24-Inch_Chrome
05-15-2015, 02:42 PM
It's like saying that the Harison twins are better than the late Drazen Petrovic ever was.

I can't think of anything more clueless.

No, it isn't.

Petrovic put up 22.3 PPG on near 50-40-90 shooting in the NBA during the 1992-1993 season. Spanoulis was shit in the NBA.

fandarko
05-15-2015, 02:42 PM
:sleeping

NBA > NCAA > WNBA > High School basketball > Euroleague.

It's actually NBA>Euroleague>Eurocup>European national leagues>NCAA.

NCAA should not even be in the discussion, since it's manned by kids and not grown men.

Andrew Wiggins
05-15-2015, 02:46 PM
amazing performance in the clutch. hit some insane shots

fandarko
05-15-2015, 02:47 PM
No, it isn't.

Petrovic put up 22.3 PPG on near 50-40-90 shooting in the NBA during the 1992-1993 season. Spanoulis was shit in the NBA.


It was a situational thing. It wasn't meant to be, he didn't really wanted it, they didn't give him a chance.

Petrovic was benched by Adelman in 1989 in Portland and averaged 7 ppg (the year before in Madrid he averaged 30) while he could have averaged 20 for a different team easily.

I for one don't believe that Spanoulis' game is suited for the NBA.

The former European great Zarko Paspalj was shit for the Spurs in the late 80s due to a complicated set of circumstances (played for Larry Brown in a forward-stacked Spurs team) and he was one of the best forwards that has ever played the game.

It's difficult to compare. But you put any NBA sophomore in the situation Spanoulis was tonight and they produce a blank sheet.

Eric Cartman
05-15-2015, 02:52 PM
Player Index Rating vs CSKA Moscow:

Printezis = 22

Spanoulos = 3

Carried :coleman:

Not to mention 54% shooting vs 26% :coleman: :coleman:

http://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/ii538/Mongol_Magpie/crickets-humping.gif (http://s1258.photobucket.com/user/Mongol_Magpie/media/crickets-humping.gif.html)

24-Inch_Chrome
05-15-2015, 03:30 PM
Excuses.

Spanoulis is crap.

fandarko
05-15-2015, 04:43 PM
Coach Nick will probably soon do a breakdown of the game, and claim that "an average mid major college team in the US can beat either one of those teams"...........

:rolleyes:

CSKA-Kentucky 112-59

Real Madrid Duke 121-47.

I reckon it's a fair estimate.


The same would happen to these colleges against NBA teams, if they'd really try.

Rooster
05-15-2015, 04:45 PM
It's actually NBA>Euroleague>Eurocup>European national leagues>NCAA.

NCAA should not even be in the discussion, since it's manned by kids and not grown men.

Kentucky mopped the floor on those grown men.:roll: :roll:

Rooster
05-15-2015, 04:49 PM
It was a situational thing. It wasn't meant to be, he didn't really wanted, they didn't give him a chance.

Petrovic was benched by Adelman in 1989 in Portland and averaged 7 ppg (the year before in Madrid he averaged 30) while he could have averaged 20 for a different team easily.

I for one don't believe that Spanoulis' game is suited for the NBA.

The former European great Zarko Paspalj was shit for the Spurs in the late 90s due to a complicated set of circumstances (played for Larry Brown in a forward-stacked Spurs team) and he was one of the best forwards that has ever played the game.

It's difficult to compare. But you put any NBA sophomore in the situation Spanoulis was tonight and they produce a blank sheet.

Minor league is not the best indicator of players ability.:no:

It's easy to look like an eagle when you are guarded by those pigeons:oldlol:

Euroleague
05-15-2015, 05:56 PM
Player Index Rating vs CSKA Moscow:

Printezis = 22

Spanoulos = 3

Carried :coleman:

Not to mention 54% shooting vs 26% :coleman: :coleman:

That's funny, because if they based things in the NBA on that stat, Kobe would have been considered one of the worst players of all time.

STOP TROLLING

oarabbus
05-15-2015, 06:00 PM
Right, and also in a league with high school JV level competition.


:biggums: some high schools are pretty good man

Euroleague
05-15-2015, 06:00 PM
Kentucky mopped the floor on those grown men.:roll: :roll:

I hope to God you really are trolling. Because if you really believe Kentucky could stay within 30-40 points of CSKA or Olympiacos, you are without any doubt the biggest moron of all time in this forum.

oarabbus
05-15-2015, 06:03 PM
I hope to God you really are trolling. Because if you really believe Kentucky could stay within 30-40 points of CSKA or Olympiacos, you are without any doubt the biggest moron of all time in this forum.


OK being 100% realistic, Kentucky would obviously get destroyed by any pro EU team.

But an NBA bench would shit on any EU team so hard, they'd be ****ing buried

fragokota
05-15-2015, 06:06 PM
He hit some really big shots down the end to take his team to the final. 2013 all over again.

Optimus Prime
05-15-2015, 09:08 PM
Let's be real. Kentucky would have completed a perfect season if they played in the Euroleague and won each game by double digits.

:kobe:

ISHGoat
05-15-2015, 09:10 PM
That's funny, because if they based things in the NBA on that stat, Kobe would have been considered one of the worst players of all time.

STOP TROLLING

***** please, kobe is clearly a top 15 player of all time

fandarko
05-15-2015, 11:43 PM
OK being 100% realistic, Kentucky would obviously get destroyed by any pro EU team.

But an NBA bench would shit on any EU team so hard, they'd be ****ing buried

The four teams (Real, Oly, CSKA and Fener) are playoff teams in the NBA. Under Euroleague rules, they would have a shot at the conference finals.

Under NBA rules they are still playoff teams.

CSKA beat the Wolves last year I believe.

Granted, NBA teams are better, nobody contests that.

But Euroleague teams are right behind.

Euroleague
05-15-2015, 11:58 PM
Let's be real. Kentucky would have completed a perfect season if they played in the Euroleague and won each game by double digits.

:kobe:

Kentucky would have been lucky to win 2 games in the season, even being put in the worst group of the whole league.

And most likely, they would have went 0-10.

Every single team in the Euroleague, even the very worst team, would have easily went through the NCAA tournament and won it.

Stop being stupid.

Euroleague
05-16-2015, 12:04 AM
***** please, kobe is clearly a top 15 player of all time

Kobe is much better than top 15. What is your point?

He was using the Larry Bird plus minus hockey stat they use in the Spanish League all the time.

The only people that actually really care about that stat are idiots. That was my point. I've honestly never heard of a player or coach even think of it during a game.

It's just some kind of trivial stupid stat that some people in Europe are obsessed with. Point being, the way it is configured, players like Kobe would be considered hot trash of all time.

It's a nonsense stat and really only people that know jack about basketball even care about it.

outbreak
05-16-2015, 12:04 AM
The four teams (Real, Oly, CSKA and Fener) are playoff teams in the NBA. Under Euroleague rules, they would have a shot at the conference finals.

Under NBA rules they are still playoff teams.

CSKA beat the Wolves last year I believe.

Granted, NBA teams are better, nobody contests that.

But Euroleague teams are right behind.


Probably right, it's still a very talented and highly rated professional league.

Euroleague
05-16-2015, 12:11 AM
The four teams (Real, Oly, CSKA and Fener) are playoff teams in the NBA. Under Euroleague rules, they would have a shot at the conference finals.

Under NBA rules they are still playoff teams.

CSKA beat the Wolves last year I believe.

Granted, NBA teams are better, nobody contests that.

But Euroleague teams are right behind.

I know Fener beat the Celtics (when they were still decent) and almost beat the Spurs, but I'm not sold on them making NBA playoffs. I think it would depend on them being in the Eastern conference.

I think in Western conference they would be in same level as teams like Suns, Pelicans, Mavs after they got Rondo, etc. So no sure thing for them if they were in that good conference. They simply are a terrible team on defense. If they were in the East? Sure.

But they are not at the same level at all as a team like Barca, which just did not make the final four because they got matched with Olympiacos in the playoffs. Barca is much more typical Euroleague elite level team like Real, Olympiacos, CSKA than Fener is. And would be more the kind of team that would for sure make NBA playoffs, because they know how to play real defense.

Dr.J4ever
05-16-2015, 12:38 AM
Okay, so Spanoulis could be intriguing. You just don't lead teams this many times to the EL Finals and win FMVP without being a good player.

So the question is--when is Vspan coming over to the NBA? What is his contract status?

Rooster
05-16-2015, 12:44 AM
The four teams (Real, Oly, CSKA and Fener) are playoff teams in the NBA. Under Euroleague rules, they would have a shot at the conference finals.

Under NBA rules they are still playoff teams.

CSKA beat the Wolves last year I believe.

Granted, NBA teams are better, nobody contests that.

But Euroleague teams are right behind.

In a league where Goudeluck is a GREAT player:oldlol: :roll:

Wake up Bruh:eek:

Kentucky will mopped those Final Four teams:cheers:

dannywpt
05-16-2015, 06:02 AM
He's Michael Jordan of Euroleague at minimum. Same effect Jordan had, only with vastly inferior team, with much harder defense rules, much more strict refs, and against other teams that are much better than his team by comparison.

:roll:

You really didn't think this through, did you. If a 3ppg NBA bench warmer is the MJ of Euroleague at minimum, what does that say about the level of competition over there? Your arguments have as many holes as swiss cheese.

Ray22
05-16-2015, 06:09 AM
Player Index Rating vs CSKA Moscow:

Printezis = 22

Spanoulos = 3

Carried :coleman:

Not to mention 54% shooting vs 26% :coleman: :coleman:


:oldlol:

The same Printezis would laugh at this.


Stats never tell the whole story.

Stats do not show that CSKA double/triple teamed Spanoulis the whole game, taking off defensive pressure, and allowing open looks for his teammates.

Stats do not show the confidence boost that Spanoulis gave to teammates and crowd, when he started hitting every single shot he took in the last 4 minutes. When the pressure was at max. When it mattered most.

Stats do not show the terror in the eyes of CSKA players, when Spanoulis started hitting those shots. They knew better than anyone else what was going to happen. Besides, it was the third time in the last 4 years that they lost to the same team, the same player, in the same way.

Watch the game, not the stats.

Ray22
05-16-2015, 06:13 AM
Okay, so Spanoulis could be intriguing. You just don't lead teams this many times to the EL Finals and win FMVP without being a good player.

So the question is--when is Vspan coming over to the NBA? What is his contract status?


Nah, he is not coming.

Too old now. And even if he was not, after the terrible experience at Houston (but also for his own faults), he would never try it again.

SpanishACB
05-16-2015, 07:03 AM
the nba is my favorite league but living in spain i watch plenty of EL.
if youre a basket fan you should try the same, its much funner than trolling, unless youre mostly an internet fan and basketball is just a mean for social interactiob you otherwise lack in day to day.

theres 3-4 teams every year in europe that could make the PO in the NBA, providing they could automatically adapt to the difference in rules there is no question about it, one could even make it as 8th in the west. Every team in the top 16 in EL has a Spurs mentality, thats why Spurs get called european, said system doesnt rely on individual talent but basketball execution. Spurs beat Miami everyone forgot suddenly?

after that there is a quality step. Theres about 10 teams in the nba that would have notable winning records if they played against EL sides, rarelly losing and most definetely dominating the opposition.

EL teams might not have the talent but talent doesnt win championships. And Im not talking about PO teams in the nba, those are the best teams in the world, but theres plenty of EL sides that would make it in this year's east no question.

ncaa and dleague comparisons are out
of the equation. It wasnt long ago Barcelona beat Lakers, albeit in a friendly, but no college kids would accomplish anything remotely close.

fragokota
05-16-2015, 08:34 AM
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https://twitter.com/rickyrubio9/status/599273069140582401

https://twitter.com/GigiDatome/status/599277855890079744

sd3035
05-16-2015, 09:19 AM
You clearly don't have a clue, any debate is pointless.

Like I said, it's a completely different game.

You should ask any US player who plays there how hard it is to score the ball.

How complicated it is to get minutes.

A child would say "Harden would average 30 there".

But Harden wouldn't play more than 27-28 minutes in a top Euroleague team.

He would have to play defense.

He wouldn't get nearly as many touches.

He would have to rely more on his outside scoring, forget about driving to the basket as much as he does.

Forget about having the green light to shoot it every time you want.

It's team first.

Granted, the top 20-40 players would be equally successful (thought their numbers would probably be slightly down).

But for everybody else - it would be a complicated process to adjust, if ever.

Because IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAME.

One where people who can't make it in the NBA go to become superstars

Jon_Koncak
05-16-2015, 09:43 AM
Let's be real, Spanoulis is past his prime.

He brought his A game in the last quarter alone and it was enough to decide the winner.

The way Euroleague basketball is played is that you simply can't have dominant scorers. It's soo different than the NBA.

The rotations are tighter, star players don't have nearly as much freedom as in the NBA. It's awfully difficult to score.

It's not only the physicality and the rules, it's the fact that you don't have the requisite number of touches or the freedom to create and try.

I honestly think Kentucky or Duke wouldn't score more than 30 points in such a setting. With the defensive intensity these two teams played tonight, they would beat the top NCAA teams by 50.

It's like comparing oranges to apples.

yeah NBA stars had so much trouble under these international rules they only scored 129 points in that final against Serbia.129 points,in 40 minutes..let that sink in..

Euroleague
05-16-2015, 02:39 PM
yeah NBA stars had so much trouble under these international rules they only scored 129 points in that final against Serbia.129 points,in 40 minutes..let that sink in..

First of all, you know very well that Serbia's team from last year did not have much in the way of Euroleague players.

Second, you also know that Team USA plays by NBA rules. That the refs call them under NBA rules, as has been done ever since the 2008 Olympics.

Team USA does not play under "FIBA rules" other than having a 10 minute quarter or the court dimensions. Those are basically meaningless, when they are allowed to play all the important rules (ball handling, defense rules, foul rules) under NBA rules.

I get it when NBA only fans say this kind of nonsense trolling. But when you say it, it's a bit ridiculous. There is no reason at all for you to even bring it up, or for you to be trolling like that. Never mind the fact that it has absolutely nothing at all to with the Euroleague or the NBA.

Especially since there isn't a single NBA team that could stay within 30 points of any Team USA selection. Yet, somehow these stupid comments come out like that means something, when Team USA would annihilate every NBA team. And with the addition that non USA teams from the FIBA World Cup were basically other than Spain or France, a lot weaker than a good Euroleague team. Serbia that you mention, of 2014, would be crushed by any of these 4 teams in Euroleague final four.

It's one thing this kind of ludicrous nonsense trolling from NBA only fans, but it's another thing coming from you, when you follow European basketball.

T_L_P
05-16-2015, 02:44 PM
:roll:

You really didn't think this through, did you. If a 3ppg NBA bench warmer is the MJ of Euroleague at minimum, what does that say about the level of competition over there? Your arguments have as many holes as swiss cheese.

Can we have a response, Euroleague?

Euroleague
05-16-2015, 02:47 PM
Can we have a response, Euroleague?

No. Because he is trolling. I have already explained many times here why Spanoulis did not get playing time in Houston. And anyone that has any basketball knowledge knows he can play in the NBA.

He's trolling. I'm not answering ridiculous trolls like that, because they are trying to derail the thread. If you are trying to also, then I will ignore you as well.

24-Inch_Chrome
05-16-2015, 02:49 PM
The Euroleague GOAT is one of the WOAT in the NBA. Case closed, Euroleague is like a poor man's NCAA at best.

Eric Cartman
05-16-2015, 03:26 PM
https://twitter.com/manuginobili/status/599273930390507520

https://twitter.com/rickyrubio9/status/599273069140582401

https://twitter.com/GigiDatome/status/599277855890079744

Ginobili and Rubio are Spanoulis stans :lol

Maybe there is something there after all...