The truth about LBJ making teammates better

[Solefade]

He will make the average/above average players better (JR smith, iman shumpert, delly) but he doesn't make all-stars/other superstars better statistically (wade, bosh, irving, love). However...he does improve their efficiency and is solely responsible for more wins..


agree or nah?

[Doranku]

nah

[TheMarkMadsen]

He will make the average/above average player better (JR smith, iman shumpert, delly) but he doesn't make all-stars/other superstars better statistically (wade, bosh, irving, love). However...he does improve their efficiency and is solely responsible for more wins..


agree or nah?

those cavs teams were b2b 60 win teams, Lebron left to go join 2 other all stars and the Heat won 58 games that year so how do you make that correlation?

if Lebron was soley responsible for more wins than you would think wherever he went he'd continue winning 60 games per year? especially with better teammates

[Solefade]

those cavs teams were b2b 60 win teams, Lebron left to go join 2 other all stars and the Heat won 58 games that year so how do you make that correlation?


they made it to the finals taking turns playing 1v1 between wade/bron/bosh lmao wtf are you talking about?

they became way more efficient and was a much better team in 2012 once their "system" was implemented...aren't you on ISH everyday since like 2010 or some shit and you still don't know this? you're in every lebron thread too

[Nash]

He will make the average/above average players better (JR smith, iman shumpert, delly) but he doesn't make all-stars/other superstars better statistically (wade, bosh, irving, love). However...he does improve their efficiency and is solely responsible for more wins..


agree or nah?
impossible to make their stats better when they go from 1st option to 2nd and 3rd. lesser FGA, it speaks for itself. what you can measure though is how their fg% changes.

[Quickening]

those cavs teams were b2b 60 win teams, Lebron left to go join 2 other all stars and the Heat won 58 games that year so how do you make that correlation?

if Lebron was soley responsible for more wins than you would think wherever he went he'd continue winning 60 games per year? especially with better teammates

Its called being older and pacing yourself for playoffs.... look what happened to Cleveland and Miami after Lebron left, fell to pieces.

[TheMarkMadsen]

they made it to the finals taking turns playing 1v1 between wade/bron/bosh lmao wtf are you talking about?

they became way more efficient and was a much better team in 2012 once their "system" was implemented...aren't you on ISH everyday since like 2010 or some shit and you still don't know this? you're in every lebron thread too

this response totally contradicts your claim in the OP that "Lebron is soley responsible for more wins"

[Solefade]

impossible to make their stats better when they go from 1st option to 2nd and 3rd. lesser FGA, it speaks for itself. what you can measure though is how their fg% changes.


well there's the example of how kevin love became a marginalized player just like how bosh was..i'm not speaking solely on stats i guess

[Solefade]

this response totally contradicts your claim in the OP that "Lebron is soley responsible for more wins"


it wasn't efficient basketball, that just speaks more to how great they were individually..if they were to play that way in 2012 with all of their health issues it wouldn't have worked

[LBJ 23]

He does make them better. Look at Mo Wiliams when he was with the Cavs and when Lebron left. He was still young so age couldn't be the factor.

Look at Chalmers and Cole on the Heat, all I saw this year was Heat fans bitching about them, when Lebron was there they were certainly better. Again age not a factor both pretty young players. Look at Rashard Lewis last year, dude should have been retired already but he was heaving very decent year with the Heat. Look at James Jones, similarly to Lewis I doubt he would get any minutes on any other team but he's still playing pretty good with James not to mention the great chemistry they have.

Look at Cavs this year, JR considered cancer for a long time, now having really decent season, Shumpert and Mozgov nothing more than average role players, both playing great this year, Thompson the same, it goes on and on....

But if we listen to haters Lebron is a cancer who makes his team worse with his Lebron ball.......ok:oldlol:

[Asukal]

Don't know about making his teammates better, but he is the sole reason kyrie gets 0 assists after a game. :oldlol:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Isn't Kyrie having a better statistical season this year than last?

[Solefade]

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LBJ turned these losers into winners :bowdown:

[plowking]

Anyone pointing to stats as a way to define if someone played better or worse given a clear change in roles in a team, clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.

Did the Dream team all make each other worse due to playing with each other? No one averaged close to their numbers. Clearly they made each other worse.

Bron makes it easier to play the game of basketball when he is on the court. He draws defenders, makes the right passes, and generally trusts in his teammates.