Jordan couldn't lift this Cavs team over the Warriors

[Lensanity]

First of all, let me start this thread off by saying that Michael Jordan is hands down the GOAT and I don't think LeBron will ever reach him. However, as great as MJ is, there is no way he could carry this mediocre Cavs team over the Warriors. The Warriors are ****ing unbeatable. Greatest shooting backcourt in basketball history, great coach, #1 offense and defense, incredible spacing, rebounding, interior and perimeter defense, you name it. There I'd simply nothing this team does not have and that is how good you have to be to win 67 games. The Cavs would have to be stacked and loaded to beat a team with no weaknesses.

There's no way the Cavs beat GS. LeBron will fall to 2/6 but there won't really be any shame in that because it's unrealistic to ask ANYONE to beat this Warriors team all by themselves. Still much more impressive than 2/7 and 6/24.

[lilteapot]

3ball in 3..2..1...

[imdaman99]

Do not feed the troll. Troll is dumb and his posting skills are borderline retarded.
The End.

[J Shuttlesworth]

No shit. You can't beat a team like the Warriors without a loaded team. Some of Jordan's old teams would be able to get it done, but not Jordan on the current Cavs in place of LeBron. Warriors are top to bottom one of the best teams in history

[JZ600]

No shit

[Kvnzhangyay]

no shit :facepalm

[coin24]

Op has a 2" lepeepee.. Virgin

[Cocaine80s]

I think the Cavs can beat them
Dont fall for the hype, this is 2012 all over again

[Bobcats2013]

I think the Cavs can beat them
Dont fall for the hype, this is 2012 all over again

no its not lol warriors were a Cinderella story then, no one expected anything from them they were too young

nikkas were saying denver would make them their bish :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

nikkas were saying denver would make them their bish :oldlol:

That series was kind of sad to me just because I'm a huge Iguodala fan..but I was all in on the bandwagon when they brought him into the fold.

[Cocaine80s]

no its not lol warriors were a Cinderella story then, no one expected anything from them they were too young

nikkas were saying denver would make them their bish :oldlol:
Lol i was talking about the Thunder who were the overhyped new team but lost in the finals

[bballnoob1192]

whos gddamn alt is this lol.

[ImKobe]

I agree, DeAndre wouldn't be able to get carried the same way Bran did.

[warriorfan]

Alpha Male Curry

[K Xerxes]

Excuses already.

Jordan was 6/6.

The chosen one will be 2/6. :biggums:

[JellyBean]

But wait. I thought LeBrick made his teammates better, like Jordan? Oh I see. If the Cavs make it to the Finals and lose, the excuse will be "LeBrick's teammates could not keep up with the Warriors." If the Cavs win it all, the head lines will be "LeBrick leads cast-offs to NBA title" :facepalm

[3ball]

First of all, let me start this thread off by saying that Michael Jordan is hands down the GOAT and I don't think LeBron will ever reach him. However, as great as MJ is, there is no way he could carry this mediocre Cavs team over the Warriors. The Warriors are ****ing unbeatable. Greatest shooting backcourt in basketball history, great coach, #1 offense and defense, incredible spacing, rebounding, interior and perimeter defense, you name it. There I'd simply nothing this team does not have and that is how good you have to be to win 67 games. The Cavs would have to be stacked and loaded to beat a team with no weaknesses.

There's no way the Cavs beat GS. LeBron will fall to 2/6 but there won't really be any shand in that because it's unrealistic to ask ANYONE to beat this Warriors team all by themselves. Still much more impressive than 2/7 and 6/24.
who's going to guard mj?

[JellyBean]

And to answer the question, Jordan would have been able to lead these Cavs over the Warriors.

[Cocaine80s]

who's going to guard mj?
Klay would shut Jordan down with ease

[Rondo]

Lol i was talking about the Thunder who were the overhyped new team but lost in the finals

Yeah but GSW actually run plays, have more than two guys that can score and are better defensively.

GSW are a lot better than OKC were and the Cavs aren't as good as the cHeat were.

[Cocaine80s]

Yeah but GSW actually run plays, have more than two guys that can score and are better defensively.

GSW are a lot better than OKC were and the Cavs aren't as good as the cHeat were.
That Thunder team was beast. Destroyed the Lakers, Mavs, and Spurs

They would beat this current Warriors team. Shit, i think a healthy Thunder this year would beat them too

[ballin33]

Yes, the warriors are very good and the Cavs will be underdogs, but the notion they are unbeatable is silly. Remember they where down 2-1 in their series and had questions about their coach and star player. But they are definitely the favorites.

[ralph_i_el]

But wait. I thought LeBrick made his teammates better, like Jordan? Oh I see. If the Cavs make it to the Finals and lose, the excuse will be "LeBrick's teammates could not keep up with the Warriors." If the Cavs win it all, the head lines will be "LeBrick leads cast-offs to NBA title" :facepalm

Well if they lose because LeBron plays like shit, then he'll catch the blame.

This Cavs team is really banged up and in their first season together. Beating a healthy Warriors squad in a 7 game series would require a couple of miracles.

[ralph_i_el]

who's going to guard mj?
Klay and Iggy:wtf:

MJ could average 35 a game against these Warriors and the Cavs still would probably lose.

[3ball]

Klay would shut Jordan down with ease


I know you're trolling, but.... :oldlol: .... Klay isn't physically strong enough to prevent isolations from being a huge mismatch.

He'd be several dimensions below the vastly superior, stronger athletes MJ was accustomed to such as Reggie Lewis (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=373989), Clyde Drexler (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8), Derrick McKey (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10536861&postcount=264), or Dennis Rodman (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858).

Klay is more of a ball-denier - he's never been known for strong defense in iso situations like many guys that guarded MJ such as Michael Cooper (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376404), Eddie Jones, Latrell Sprewell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvquD3ktNbQ), or Bobby Phills.. I like John Starks' chances more vs. MJ too - again, he's a better athlete than Klay, and much stronger.
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[pauk]

Exactly.

[Straight_Ballin]

First of all, let me start this thread off by saying that Michael Jordan is hands down the GOAT and I don't think LeBron will ever reach him. However, as great as MJ is, there is no way he could carry this mediocre Cavs team over the Warriors. The Warriors are ****ing unbeatable. Greatest shooting backcourt in basketball history, great coach, #1 offense and defense, incredible spacing, rebounding, interior and perimeter defense, you name it. There I'd simply nothing this team does not have and that is how good you have to be to win 67 games. The Cavs would have to be stacked and loaded to beat a team with no weaknesses.

There's no way the Cavs beat GS. LeBron will fall to 2/6 but there won't really be any shand in that because it's unrealistic to ask ANYONE to beat this Warriors team all by themselves. Still much more impressive than 2/7 and 6/24.

Curry would be absolutely destroyed. Jordan would talk so much trash to that poor yung fella that he would feel like Muggsy Bogues. Cripple their leader and the rest fall like dominos. Cavs in 5 with prime Jordan at the helm.

[3ball]

y'all crazy

[3ball]

Exactly.
:biggums:

[Lensanity]

Excuses already.

Jordan was 6/6.

The chosen one will be 2/6. :biggums:

Cool. I agree that Jordan > Lebron so what's your point?

[3ball]

Klay would shut Jordan down with ease


:biggums: ... Klay would get destroyed worse than DPOY Michael Cooper did (8-time All-Defense):


All Games of MJ vs. Michael Cooper, both 30+ MPG


.........................Date............MP....... ...FG%....REB....AST......PTS

Michael Jordan... 11/28/86... 45:00:00.......0.44.......10........3.........41
Michael Cooper.. 11/28/86... 32:00:00.......0.50........3.........4.........11

Michael Jordan... 12/20/88.. 39:00:00.......0.48........7.........8.........42
Michael Cooper.. 12/20/88.. 30:00:00.......0.50........4.........4..........9

Michael Jordan.... 3/21/89... 41:00:00.......0.35........8........16........21
Michael Cooper... 3/21/89... 31:00:00.......0.67........4.........8..........9

Michael Jordan... 12/19/89.. 44:00:00.......0.52........7.........5.........37
Michael Cooper.. 12/19/89... 33:00:00.......0.22........4.........3.........5


MJ's Averages: 35.1 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 8.0 APG, 45.2% FG

Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jordami01&p2=coopemi01



Footage of MJ vs. Cooper:

OFF-BALL (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11297486&postcount=42)

ISOLATIONS (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11296029&postcount=30)
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[PsychoBe]

why is your username 3ball

[3ball]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/5fc6dca027a5fa3d988b5de4b9e1eaa7.gif


Klay would shut Jordan down with ease


I know you're trolling, but.... :oldlol: .... Klay isn't physically strong enough to prevent isolations from being a huge mismatch.

He'd be several dimensions below the vastly superior, stronger athletes that MJ was accustomed to such as Reggie Lewis (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=373989), Clyde Drexler (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8), Derrick McKey (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10536861&postcount=264), or Dennis Rodman (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858).

Klay is more of a ball-denier - he's never been known for strong defense in iso situations like the guys that guarded MJ such as Michael Cooper (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376404), Latrell Sprewell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvquD3ktNbQ), Eddie Jones or Bobby Phills.. I like John Starks' chances more vs. MJ too - again, he's a better athlete than Klay, and much stronger.

Of course, Klay can't defend the non-stop, off-ball aggression seen in the GIF above, in addition MJ's primary ballhandler and post games - Klay would become hesitant in the face of the GOAT repertoire (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11188520&postcount=37).
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[livinglegend]

Warriors in 5.
Jordan is 1-9 in the playoffs without an all-time stacked team around him.

[DJ Leon Smith]

Wrong.

Jason Terry doesn't play for the Warriors.
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[OldSchoolBBall]

Lebron stans already setting up GS as some incredible force so that when the Cavs win (and I believe they will), they can start in with the "Lebron = GOAT" nonsense. :oldlol: Memphis wins this series with Tony Allen healthy, yet all of a sudden GS is a juggernaut. Right. :hammerhead:

[MJ23forever]

Lebron stans already setting up GS as some incredible force so that when the Cavs win (and I believe they will), they can't start in with the "Lebron = GOAT" nonsense. :oldlol: Memphis wins this series with Tony Allen healthy, yet all of a sudden GS is a juggernaut. Right. :hammerhead:
It was pretty much the same excuse after San Antonio destroyed Miami last year. Apparently they were an unstoppable force that not even Jordan could have beaten. :lol

[Indian guy]

Lebron stans already setting up GS as some incredible force so that when the Cavs win (and I believe they will), they can't start in with the "Lebron = GOAT" nonsense.

Nobody has to set-up GS as some incredible force. Their own play this season does that.

[Straight_Ballin]

Wrong.

Jason Terry doesn't play for the Warriors.
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Jason Terry dominated bron in the finals and made him his beta bitch because he could. Bron has played on stacked teams his entire life save for his first 2 seasons.

Ish idiots thinking that a 6/6 GOAT can't outperform a 2/5 fraud and overcome the Warriors in a watered down non hand checking league. Stay mad and hold the L boyz! :lol

[OldSchoolBBall]

Nobody has to set-up GS as some incredible force. Their own play this season does that.

They looked ENTIRELY beatable this series until Allen went down. That's no accident. They are a pretty boy, jumpshooting team that can be beat by teams with good interior play and strong defense and tempo control. They are not an all-time level team regardless of whatever the metrics say.

[Heavincent]

They looked ENTIRELY beatable this series until Allen went down. That's no accident. They are a pretty boy, jumpshooting team that can be beat by teams with good interior play and strong defense and tempo control. They are not an all-time level team regardless of whatever the metrics say.

"Pretty boy jump shooting" team that ranks first in the league in defense and top 10 in points in paint.

It's a defense first team. Only people who say otherwise haven't watched them enough.

[Heavincent]

Memphis wins this series with Tony Allen healthy, yet all of a sudden GS is a juggernaut. Right. :hammerhead:

LOL

Memphis got wrecked in all 4 losses. They're not winning this series regardless. That's just ridiculous.

[nba_55]

"Pretty boy jump shooting" team that ranks first in the league in defense and top 10 in points in paint.

It's a defense first team. Only people who say otherwise haven't watched them enough.

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[Indian guy]

They looked ENTIRELY beatable this series until Allen went down.

Oh come on. GS is not the first #1 seed to struggle a little before figuring things out. There's a reason why all 4 of their wins in the series were blowouts. When they were on their game, Memphis had no hope. And a wing defender with 0 offensive game wasn't going to change that. Steve Kerr figured him out anyway by Game 4 by basically not guarding him. Memphis couldn't score and couldn't afford to keep him on the court.


They are a pretty boy, jumpshooting team

Pretty boy teams aren't #1 on defense.


that can be beat by teams with good interior play and strong defense and tempo control.

How does Cleveland have that?


They are not an all-time level team regardless of whatever the metrics say.

Well, of course, a championship is what cements a team's all-time status and there are still 2 more rounds to go. We can only judge 'em by what they've accomplished so far, and few teams in NBA history have dominated their competition as much as they have to this point of the season. And it's not like they aren't absolutely loaded or anything. Why undermine a team with that much talent to push an agenda? League MVP. Best 2-way SG. Multiple DPOY caliber big men. Best depth. Excellent coaching staff. Of course they're obliterating their competition. It's not like we are talking about the 2015 Atlanta Hawks here.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron stans already setting up GS as some incredible force so that when the Cavs win (and I believe they will), they can start in with the "Lebron = GOAT" nonsense. :oldlol: Memphis wins this series with Tony Allen healthy, yet all of a sudden GS is a juggernaut. Right. :hammerhead:


They looked ENTIRELY beatable this series until Allen went down. That's no accident. They are a pretty boy, jumpshooting team that can be beat by teams with good interior play and strong defense and tempo control. They are not an all-time level team regardless of whatever the metrics say.

MJ fasns are so insecure lmao...

"we dont care if this is an ATG Team... no, ITS NOT!!"

Love is out anyway. GSW should whoop that ass, even the things you listed you need to beat them, Cavs have no interior forces lol.

[OldSchoolBBall]

So when the Cavs beat GS - which I have little doubt that they'll do - with Lebron having an average (for him) or below average series, I won't have to hear insufferable fools chanting GOAT? If Lebron averages like 34/8/7/52% FG to beat GS that's one thing, and I'll certainly give him credit if that happened, but that's not gonna happen. But the Cavs will win.

[Doranku]

So when the Cavs beat GS - which I have little doubt that they'll do - with Lebron having an average (for him) or below average series, I won't have to hear insufferable fools chanting GOAT? If Lebron averages like 34/8/7/52% FG to beat GS that's one thing, and I'll certainly give him credit if that happened, but that's not gonna happen. But the Cavs will win.
:biggums: The Cavs with a hobbled Kyrie and no Love have no chance against Golden State. Stop doing damage control on the off chance LeBron is able to somehow lead the Cavs to a title.

[Kvnzhangyay]

I know you're trolling, but.... :oldlol: .... Klay isn't physically strong enough to prevent isolations from being a huge mismatch.

He'd be several dimensions below the vastly superior, stronger athletes MJ was accustomed to such as Reggie Lewis (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=373989), Clyde Drexler (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8), Derrick McKey (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10536861&postcount=264), or Dennis Rodman (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858).

Klay is more of a ball-denier - he's never been known for strong defense in iso situations like many guys that guarded MJ such as Michael Cooper (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376404), Eddie Jones, Latrell Sprewell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvquD3ktNbQ), or Bobby Phills.. I like John Starks' chances more vs. MJ too - again, he's a better athlete than Klay, and much stronger.
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Unlike before, current defenses are okay with superstars going off- they focus more on preventing the superstars' teammates from going off. MJ can go and score 40+, but if the GSW shut down his teammates, it won't matter. No single player can defeat a team

[Optimus Prime]

:kobe:

Jordan could average his age TODAY in this namby-pamby watered down NBA.

Thing is though, he'd probably be ejected before halftime for flagrant fouls or technicals due to excessive trash talking and making LeBeta cry.

:lebroncry:

[Kvnzhangyay]

:kobe:

Jordan could average his age TODAY in this namby-pamby watered down NBA.

Thing is though, he'd probably be ejected before halftime for flagrant fouls or technicals due to excessive trash talking and making LeBeta cry.

:lebroncry:

which means jordan would only average like 15 ppg :coleman:

[3ball]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/5364b011e31f368b6b4bc6edc6e05d34.gif


Today's defender would be so unaccustomed to guarding a super-athlete that plays off-ball that could SHOOT like MJ - they'd never get used to the best athlete in the game being able to get 40, 50, or 60 points on all JUMPSHOTS.. That's a pretty stark contrast from what they get in Lebron.

Of course, today's game bans hand checking, various physicality and paint-camping.. Also, there's spacing, which means defenders are more spread out and must help from further distances.. The spacing also creates bigger lanes while weakside floor-spreaders take defenders away from the strongside - so MJ would have a field day in today's spaced-out, porous defense..

He'd do even better than he did against the 2-way players and defensive specialists he faced in previous eras, such as Reggie Lewis (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=373989), Clyde Drexler (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10695321&postcount=8), Derrick McKey (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10536861&postcount=264), or Dennis Rodman (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858), Michael Cooper (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376404), Latrell Sprewell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvquD3ktNbQ), Eddie Jones or Bobby Phills.

Today's player would have no idea how to handle the GOAT repertoire (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11188520&postcount=37).
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[Inferno]

:biggums: The Cavs with a hobbled Kyrie and no Love have no chance against Golden State. Stop doing damage control on the off chance LeBron is able to somehow lead the Cavs to a title.

Not gonna get cocky. LeBron always performs well in the Finals (last 3)...anything can happen.

[3ball]

Unlike before, current defenses are okay with superstars going off- they focus more on preventing the superstars' teammates from going off. MJ can go and score 40+, but if the GSW shut down his teammates, it won't matter. No single player can defeat a team


Your post makes no sense - we don't know if 40+ PPG gets the job done in today's game, BECAUSE NO ONE HAS DONE IT..

There is no one in today's game to put up MJ numbers to see if those numbers would work - everyone else's numbers and performance are materially worse than MJ's.

Show me someone that puts up MJ numbers and then come back with the same argument.. Otherwise, your argument doesn't work.
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[Kvnzhangyay]

Your post makes no sense - the reason no one does what MJ did is because no one has ever put up stats or dominance before or since.

Show me someone that puts up MJ numbers and then come back with the same argument.. Otherwise, until someone performs at MJ's level and puts up MJ numbers, your argument holds zero water.

it doesn't matter what MJ does if his teammates can't do good...

if you want #s look at MJ without a good supporting cast (as in without pippen and co.)

Again, my bottom line is that no one person can beat a team...

[3ball]

it doesn't matter what MJ does if his teammates can't do good...

if you want #s look at MJ without a good supporting cast (as in without pippen and co.)

Again, my bottom line is that no one person can beat a team...


you said "teams are okay with superstars going off".

but no superstar today puts up MJ's stats when they go off - they put up something less than what MJ would do.

so we don't know if 40 PPG wins in today's game because no one in today's game has that capability, so we don't get to see that theory tested.. people thought the same thing before MJ came along - then he proved that 40 PPG CAN win.. MJ's stats are one-of-a-kind.

"oh, you can't win without a big man... oh, you can't win with a team built around a guard.."... all these things MJ proved you CAN do.
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[Elosha]

you said "teams are okay with superstars going off".

but no superstar today puts up MJ's stats when they go off - they put up something less than what MJ would do.

so we don't know if 40 PPG wins in today's game because no one in today's game has that capability, so we don't get to see that theory tested.. people thought the same thing before MJ came along - then he proved that 40 PPG CAN win.. MJ's stats are one-of-a-kind.

"oh, you can't win without a big man... oh, you can't win with a team built around a guard.."... all these things MJ proved you CAN do.
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Look, I'm a huge Bulls fan and a huge Jordan fan. Been watching him since UNC won in 1982 against Georgetown. So I appreciate - to an extent - your ardor and dedication to lauding MJ, but there is such thing as a bridge too far. In other words, you're reaching. Jordan never averaged 40 ppg in a season, and never averaged 40 ppg in any entire playoffs. He obviously had individual series in which he averaged over 40 ppg, but the only playoffs in which he did that and won the title was in 1993 against the Suns.

Just say that Jordan's stats are one of a kind, not that "he proved that 40 ppg CAN win" because the latter statement really isn't accurate. If you want to be completely accurate, state he proved that he could score over 40 ppg and still beat Phoenix.

[3ball]

He obviously had individual series in which he averaged over 40 ppg, but the only playoffs in which he did that and won the title was in 1993 against the Suns.

Just say that Jordan's stats are one of a kind, not that "he proved that 40 ppg CAN win" because the latter statement really isn't accurate. If you want to be completely accurate, state he proved that he could score over 40 ppg and still beat Phoenix.


When i said MJ proved 40 PPG can win - it's true - he's the only player to average 40 PPG in a playoff series on his way to the championship... And considering he did it IN THE FINALS, my statement couldn't be more true.

Also, thru MJ's first 3-peat, he averaged 35 PPG and 7 APG in the playoffs and 36 PPG and 8 APG in the Finals (on 50% FG) - no one has ever averaged these numbers and won championships, ONLY JORDAN.

Until someone duplicates these stats and performance, then it makes no sense to say 35+ PPG can't win, because the only guy that's ever done that DID win.

So don't come on here and act like I'm posting some BS - just accept the fact that MJ had VASTLY better playoffs and Finals numbers than any player in history - and until someone comes along to duplicate his stats or performance, no one can say anything like "teams are okay with superstars going off", because no superstar has ever gone off like MJ.

[Rose'sACL]

When i said MJ proved 40 PPG can win - it's true - he's the only player to average 40 PPG in a playoff series on his way to the championship... And considering he did it IN THE FINALS, my statement couldn't be more true.

Also, thru MJ's first 3-peat, he averaged 35 PPG and 7 APG in the playoffs and 36 PPG and 8 APG in the Finals (on 50% FG) - no one has ever averaged these numbers and won championships, ONLY JORDAN.

Until someone duplicates these stats and performance, then it makes no sense to say 35+ PPG can't win, because the only guy that's ever done that DID win.

So don't come on here and act like I'm posting some BS - just accept the fact that MJ had VASTLY better playoffs and Finals numbers than any player in history - and until someone comes along to duplicate his stats or performance, no one can say anything like "teams are okay with superstars going off", because no superstar has ever gone off like MJ.


lebron did that in 2009. You are proven wrong. don't come up with a BS excuse again. Given that everyone shits on the east, it should have been an easy road to the finals going by your logic.

LeBron vs Magic(ECF 2009): 38-8-8
LeBron in 2009 playoffs: 35-7-9

Go eat shit you idiot.

[3ball]

lebron did that in 2009. You are proven wrong. don't come up with a BS excuse again. Given that everyone shits on the east, it should have been an easy road to the finals going by your logic.

LeBron vs Magic(ECF 2009): 38-8-8
LeBron in 2009 playoffs: 35-7-9

Go eat shit you idiot.
You can't read - through the same age Lebron is now (30), Jordan AVERAGED those numbers FOR HIS CAREER.

More importantly, MJ was the only player to WIN averaging those numbers for an entire playoffs.

And remember, he's the ONLY PLAYER EVER to average 40+ in a playoff series more than once (he did it 6 times, 3 times against top 5 defense, and once in Finals).. there's simply no comparison
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[Rose'sACL]

You can't read - through the same age Lebron is now (30), Jordan AVERAGED those numbers FOR HIS CAREER.

More importantly, MJ was the only player to WIN averaging those numbers for an entire playoffs.

And remember, he's the ONLY PLAYER EVER to average 40+ in a playoff series more than once (he did it 6 times, 3 times against top 5 defense, and once in Finals).. there's simply no comparison
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keep editing your posts. i hope a mod sees your edits and bans you.

[Lebron23]

lebron did that in 2009. You are proven wrong. don't come up with a BS excuse again. Given that everyone shits on the east, it should have been an easy road to the finals going by your logic.

LeBron vs Magic(ECF 2009): 38-8-8
LeBron in 2009 playoffs: 35-7-9

Go eat shit you idiot.


Just put this troll in your ignore lists. This guy doesn't know $hit about the NBA.

[3ball]

keep editing your posts. i hope a mod sees your edits and bans you.



:yaohappy: .. No editing needed on this one.. Just copy and paste... :pimp:


PLAYOFF AVERAGES THRU 30 YRS OLD:

Jordan: 35 PPG / 7 APG / 50% FG
Lebron: 28 PPG / 6 APG / 48% FG


FINALS AVERAGES THRU 30 YRS OLD:

Jordan: 36 PPG / 8 APG / 50% FG
Lebron: 24 PPG / 6 APG / 46% FG

Source: basketball-reference.com


Jordan averaged more assists despite carrying 25% more scoring burden in the playoffs and a massive 50% more in the Finals.. Indeed, Lebron needs 1.5 Finals games to match 1 from MJ.. and MJ did all this on better efficiency and less TO's.

[Eric Cartman]

:yaohappy: .. No editing needed on this one.. Just copy and paste... :pimp:


PLAYOFF AVERAGES THRU 30 YRS OLD:

Jordan: 35 PPG / 7 APG / 50% FG
Lebron: 28 PPG / 6 APG / 48% FG


FINALS AVERAGES THRU 30 YRS OLD:

Jordan: 36 PPG / 8 APG / 50% FG
Lebron: 24 PPG / 6 APG / 46% FG

Source: basketball-reference.com


Jordan averaged more assists despite carrying 25% more scoring burden in the playoffs and a massive 50% more in the Finals.. Indeed, Lebron needs 1.5 Finals games to match 1 from MJ.. and MJ did all this on better efficiency and less TO's.
Fascinating how Jordan averages more assists than Lebron being an off ball player while Lebron dominates the ball 18 seconds each shot clock.

[NumberSix]

Fascinating how Jordan averages more assists than Lebron being an off ball player while Lebron dominates the ball 18 seconds each shot clock.
:wtf:

Someone clearly only saw the 2nd 3-peat part of Jordan's career.

[ILLsmak]

Lebron stans already setting up GS as some incredible force so that when the Cavs win (and I believe they will), they can start in with the "Lebron = GOAT" nonsense. :oldlol: Memphis wins this series with Tony Allen healthy, yet all of a sudden GS is a juggernaut. Right. :hammerhead:

The Warriors are very good, but they are young. They have potential to lose just because. They aren't a dynasty level team that you become GOAT by beating.

I mean, think about the fact that the Mavs and Spurs beat the Dynasty level Heat. Crushed em.

If dudes wanna really think that LeBron is GOAT, that's cool with me. He can be someone's favorite player ever. It's when people start saying stupid shit that I get bothered. It's funny that I even come to message boards because whenever someone says some dumb ass shit I have to log in and reply. haha. I mean, not trolls but people who actually believe what they are saying.

-Smak

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euDPsuykAZ8

LeBron James 42 Points Highlights vs. Warriors

[Elosha]

When i said MJ proved 40 PPG can win - it's true - he's the only player to average 40 PPG in a playoff series on his way to the championship... And considering he did it IN THE FINALS, my statement couldn't be more true.

Also, thru MJ's first 3-peat, he averaged 35 PPG and 7 APG in the playoffs and 36 PPG and 8 APG in the Finals (on 50% FG) - no one has ever averaged these numbers and won championships, ONLY JORDAN.

Until someone duplicates these stats and performance, then it makes no sense to say 35+ PPG can't win, because the only guy that's ever done that DID win.

So don't come on here and act like I'm posting some BS - just accept the fact that MJ had VASTLY better playoffs and Finals numbers than any player in history - and until someone comes along to duplicate his stats or performance, no one can say anything like "teams are okay with superstars going off", because no superstar has ever gone off like MJ.

You're preaching to the choir. I already know Jordan has better playoff numbers overall than any other player. I'm not stating you're posting BS, I'm stating you posted inaccurate, or at best, ambiguous statements. Just cite Jordan's actual stats, not a claim that he's the only player to average 40 ppg and prove he can win. Or, you could have just qualified your post to make it clear that you were referring to his multiple series averaging 40+ppg. That would have made your point much stronger because it's actually true. And since you cite to his 40+ ppg Finals performance in 1993, I'll remind you that I already pointed that out to you in my first post. You make good points overall, just don't reach with your facts, and your arguments will be better supported.