does lebron have the weakest rival of all time

[kennethgriffin]

the battle for player of the decade

60's - russell vs wilt

70's - kareem vs dr J

80's - magic vs bird

90's - jordan vs hakeem

00's - kobe vs duncan

10's - lebron vs kawhi? stephanie? austin rivers? lol




maybe kyle korver can take the torch if the hawks win

[KobesFinger]

Durant?

[Trollsmasher]

Kobe is better than Dr J

[kennethgriffin]

http://thrivesports.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Kawhi-Leonard.jpg

slayed by a rookie

:oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

Durant?


that lasted about 5 minutes into the decade

hes finished.. 7 foot wing with foot problems

[pauk]

You calling Kobe weakest rival of all time? :no:

[Mr. Jabbar]

yes

old man kg and declinebe in the asg owned his soul, a real rival in his prime would have meant 0 rings for his beta self

[AintNoSunshine]

The Truth and Popovich were very respectable rivals.

Then there are bishes he made who is not worthy of the word rival:

Durant
Kobe
Rose
George?

[pauk]

Just because Lebron got the best of Kobe majority of the time they ever met doesnt mean he is weak tho....

[coin24]

Just because Lebron got the best of Kobe majority of the time they ever met doesnt mean he is weak tho....

Lebald quit in 2010 against the Cs so he wouldn't have to face Godbe in the finals..

[red1]

nah I wouldnt say kobe is a weak rival

[francesco totti]

I put 2000's Shaq vs Duncan. They were more of rivals, then kobe vs duncan.
more defending each other.

For lebron, his rival is paul pierce and the celtics.

[ralph_i_el]

or Durant who he beat in the finals:rolleyes:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OP puts Hakeem with Jordan despite them never meeting in the finals; Kobe with Duncan despite them never defending each other; and Kawhi over Durant who when healthy (this year being an anomaly) is arguably the best player in the game.

Weak era for bait

[tmacattack33]

the battle for player of the decade

60's - russell vs wilt

70's - kareem vs dr J

80's - magic vs bird

90's - jordan vs hakeem

00's - kobe vs duncan

10's - lebron vs kawhi? stephanie? austin rivers? lol




maybe kyle korver can take the torch if the hawks win

Jordan vs Hakeem? When the F did that happen?

And Kobe vs Duncan? It was Shaq vs Duncan

Wtf

[Optimus Prime]

LeBeta hasn't really had a rival until next year's mandatory HGH testing.

:kobe:

[HelterSkelter]

LOL at MJ and Hakeem.. 00s was Shaq vs Duncan vs Kobe

10's should've been Kobe vs LeBron... a lot of us think it is.. Too bad Kobe can't keep the Lakers relevant and his body healthy

how messed up are the L, E, B, R, O, and N in OP's keyboard?

[SexSymbol]

You can't call it rivalry if they never faced each other in the playoffs multiple times.
So it leaves us with Pierce, which was more of a 00s choise and then rose or kawhi, both kinda terrible all-stars

[imnew09]

He had potential good rivals on Pierce/KG/Allen but those big 3 made him cried and quit his team. The big 3 was alrdy too told when Lebron seek revenge with the Miami Heat

[pegasus]

LeBeta hasn't really had a rival until next year's mandatory HGH testing.

:kobe:
:roll:

[kennethgriffin]

nah I wouldnt say kobe is a weak rival

their legacies barely overlap


kobes run was 2001 to 2010

lebrons run was 2010 to now


for like one year there was a real argument who the better player was



kobe and lebron were never a rival.


1999 - spurs champs
2000 - lakers champs
2001 - lakers champs
2002 - lakers champs
2003 - spurs champs
2004 - lakers finals
2005 - spurs champs
2007 - spurs champs
2008 - lakers finals
2009 - lakers champs
2010 - lakers champs


6 playoff series vs each other
kobe winning 4
duncan winning 2



lebron was barely a blip during kobe and duncans primes/runs to the finals as their teams best players



lebron finally got the monkey off his back in 2012... 2 years after kobe/duncans best days were behind them

[kennethgriffin]

LOL at MJ and Hakeem.. 00s was Shaq vs Duncan vs Kobe

10's should've been Kobe vs LeBron... a lot of us think it is.. Too bad Kobe can't keep the Lakers relevant and his body healthy

how messed up are the L, E, B, R, O, and N in OP's keyboard?


shaq was a half decade player... he had more total elite years in the 90's if anything


and kobe gave lebron plenty of chances while he was still in his prime... its not kobes fault lebron couldnt get to the finals with a 65+ win team

[kennethgriffin]

Jordan vs Hakeem? When the F did that happen?

And Kobe vs Duncan? It was Shaq vs Duncan

Wtf


i'm not talking about specific players guys matched up with position wise or in a series

i'm talking about a rival in terms of decade supremacy

[sbw19]

Individually his rival would've been Howard, or maybe Wade. In that sense, I don't think he's had any.

[HelterSkelter]

shaq was a half decade player... he had more total elite years in the 90's if anything

They both solidified their status in the 00s :confusedshrug:



and kobe gave lebron plenty of chances while he was still in his prime... its not kobes fault lebron couldnt get to the finals with a 65+ win team

Not really, 08-11 were the only years that both were real championship contenders.

So... when LeBron started the streak of finals appearances, that's when Kobe ended his prime?

[jimmy77x]

LeBeta hasn't really had a rival until next year's mandatory HGH testing.

:kobe:

:lol true, but we all know baby back bitch bran doesn't have to abide by the rules, since he's still cuddled by the league. He will continue to do w/e the f**k he wants until he retires. Wouldn't be surprised soon after he retires we start hearing about his HGH/steroid use.

[kennethgriffin]

They both solidified their status in the 00s :confusedshrug:



Not really, 08-11 were the only years that both were real championship contenders.

So... when LeBron started the streak of finals appearances, that's when Kobe ended his prime?


kobes last prime year was 2010


2011 his knees were finished
2012 he was good again but gasol sucked
2013 he was great again. but howard/gasol/nash were always hurt or sucking

then he got hurt


if there ever would have been a good showdown it would had to of been in 2009 or 2010... and both years lebron had the best record and won league mvp. so he should have made the finals.

losing to the magic was inexcusable.. the lakers pushed their sh*t in

[kennethgriffin]

kobe won 5 titles all during a time when tim duncan was elite or near it... and hes another top 10 player all time

lebron won 2 titles. both during a time when no other top 30 legend all time was close to their prime ( except for his team mate dwyane wade )


wade was supposed to be lebrons rival

but he ran to team up with him

:lol

[ShawkFactory]

kobes last prime year was 2010


2011 his knees were finished
2012 he was good again but gasol sucked
2013 he was great again. but howard/gasol/nash were always hurt or sucking

then he got hurt


if there ever would have been a good showdown it would had to of been in 2009 or 2010... and both years lebron had the best record and won league mvp. so he should have made the finals.

losing to the magic was inexcusable.. the lakers pushed their sh*t in
The Cavs role players not stepping up WAS inexcusable. Such a dominant performance by Lebron wasted.

[coin24]

The Cavs role players not stepping up WAS inexcusable. Such a dominant performance by Lebron wasted.

What about 2010 when bran completely quit against the Celtics? Pathetic display then scurried off to the heat..

[ShawkFactory]

What about 2010 when bran completely quit against the Celtics? Pathetic display then scurried off to the heat..
If my ugly ass teammate was fvcking my mom I'd be off too.

[Poetry]

or maybe Wade.

Wade is one of his greatest regular season rivals, their head-to-head games are very close in W/L and productivity.

Head-to-head:

LBJ: 29/5.6/7.4/1.2/.06
.473/.357
14 wins

Wade 27.1/5.2/6.2/2.4/.09
.465/.333
11 wins

It's a shame they hooked up.

[sbw19]

Wade is one of his greatest regular season rivals, their head-to-head games are very close in W/L and productivity.
Think now Wade's got the team to compete against him. It's not too late, assuming LeBron stays put that is.

[kennethgriffin]

Wade is one of his greatest regular season rivals, their head-to-head games are very close in W/L and productivity.

Head-to-head:

LBJ: 29/5.6/7.4/1.2/.06
.473/.357
14 wins

Wade 27.1/5.2/6.2/2.4/.09
.465/.333
11 wins

It's a shame they hooked up.



its like the exact opposite of the kobe/shaq story

2 all time greats that couldnt stand each other. always wanting to outdo/1up the other. desperately trying to climb the all time greats ladder... winning unhappily... being tortured by fans and the media until they break up... both winning titles without each other. kobe creating his own legendary legacy without shaq. solidifying his greatness


then theres the lebron/wade story

2 all time greats that love each other. even when competing they suck each others c*cks. always wanting to team up and help each other out. sacrificing their own legacies and respect. given titles not earned. loving the media and the media loving them back for being sell outs. throwing away a possible GOAT level feud

[ShawkFactory]

Think now Wade's got the team to compete against him. It's not too late, assuming LeBron stays put that is.
The Lebron/Wade matchups were always more fun than Lebron and Kobe.

[Kvnzhangyay]

its like the exact opposite of the kobe/shaq story

2 all time greats that couldnt stand each other. always wanting to outdo/1up the other. desperately trying to climb the all time greats ladder... winning unhappily... being tortured by fans and the media until they break up... both winning titles without each other. kobe creating his own legendary legacy without shaq. solidifying his greatness


then theres the lebron/wade story

2 all time greats that love each other. even when competing they suck each others c*cks. always wanting to team up and help each other out. sacrificing their own legacies and respect. given titles not earned. loving the media and the media loving them back for being sell outs. throwing away a possible GOAT level feud

maybe to you, but not for anyone else

[kennethgriffin]

maybe to you, but not for anyone else


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo

[Kvnzhangyay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo

its not wrong

why else would people buy the jerseys/brand shit of people they don't respect?

[kennethgriffin]

its not wrong

why else would people buy the jerseys/brand shit of people they don't respect?


because for every 1 guy that did theres 10 million people in the word that didnt

http://i.imgur.com/I8CZK.gif

[Kvnzhangyay]

because for every 1 guy that did theres 10 million people in the word that didnt

http://i.imgur.com/I8CZK.gif

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

the same can be said for any player, so you have to look at relative sold compared to other players

[kennethgriffin]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

the same can be said for any player, so you have to look at relative sold compared to other players


popularity has nothing to do with greatness or respect

the kkk has a ton of fallowers and fans

that doesnt mean they were a legitimate organization or respectable



it just means theres allot of r*tards out there... like the ones who fallow lebron

[sbw19]

The Lebron/Wade matchups were always more fun than Lebron and Kobe.
Same could be said about Kobe/Wade. Most LeBron competed against Kobe was trying to outscore him at MSG after setting record.

[ninephive]

the battle for player of the decade

60's - russell vs wilt

70's - kareem vs dr J

80's - magic vs bird

90's - jordan vs hakeem

00's - kobe vs duncan

10's - lebron vs kawhi? stephanie? austin rivers? lol




maybe kyle korver can take the torch if the hawks win
The closest rival I would say would be Tony Parker. Parker is 2-1 against Lebron in the Finals (11-5 if you count games). Parker outplayed Lebron in 2007, but Lebron outplayed Parker in 2013 & 2014.

[HelterSkelter]

kobes last prime year was 2010


2011 his knees were finished
2012 he was good again but gasol sucked
2013 he was great again. but howard/gasol/nash were always hurt or sucking

then he got hurt


if there ever would have been a good showdown it would had to of been in 2009 or 2010... and both years lebron had the best record and won league mvp. so he should have made the finals.

losing to the magic was inexcusable.. the lakers pushed their sh*t in


I can agree that 09 or 10 were good years for their showdown..

But.. with regards with what you said...... it's as easy as saying that LeBron's teammates sucked in 09 and 10, just like Kobe's teammates "sucked" in 11-13.

By the way, we'll never know how bad Kobe's knees really were in 11, Lakers were 57-25, he averaged 25/5/5, and never missed a game... either he was still a championship level player or his teammates were that good.

[Bandito]

Kobe rivals were Iverson, Carter, TMac and the Truth for the best SG and he won the battle.

Lebron rivals was Melo. Melo owns his soul mostly everytime they play together but Lebron always has the better stacked teams.

[kennethgriffin]

I can agree that 09 or 10 were good years for their showdown..

But.. with regards with what you said...... it's as easy as saying that LeBron's teammates sucked in 09 and 10, just like Kobe's teammates "sucked" in 11-13.

By the way, we'll never know how bad Kobe's knees really were in 11, Lakers were 57-25, he averaged 25/5/5, and never missed a game... either he was still a championship level player or his teammates were that good.



Kobe didnt have the best record in the nba and league mvp in 11,12,13


Lebron did in 2009 and 2010


If theres anyone to blame for lebron never having a great rivalry in the 2000's... its lebron

[TheBigVeto]

Kobe is better than Dr J

No

[SouBeachTalents]

The closest rival I would say would be Tony Parker. Parker is 2-1 against Lebron in the Finals (11-5 if you count games). Parker outplayed Lebron in 2007, but Lebron outplayed Parker in 2013 & 2014.

One of the dumbest things I've ever seen on this site, which is really saying something

[mehyaM24]

lebron has a MASSIVE h2h advantage over kobe via stats and team w's

^^^ its not really a rivalry in such a lopsided comparison

[kennethgriffin]

One of the dumbest things I've ever seen on this site, which is really saying something


but hes right

:confusedshrug:

lebron vs finals mvp parker in 2007
lebron vs parker lead spurs in 2013
lebron vs parker lead spurs in 2014 ( fmvp kawhi.. but all year it was parkers team )



parker got the best of james so far.


and hes 4 for 5 in nba finals... if ray allen doesnt hit that shot then tony would more than likely be ranked ahead of james all time

[lilteapot]

Jordan vs Hakeem? When the F did that happen?

And Kobe vs Duncan? It was Shaq vs Duncan

Wtf
Big surprise, OP knows nothing about basketball.

[Bernkastel]

LeBeta hasn't really had a rival until next year's mandatory HGH testing.

:kobe:

:yaohappy:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Jordan vs Hakeem? When the F did that happen?

And Kobe vs Duncan? It was Shaq vs Duncan

Wtf

Kobe was the best player in the 01, 02, 04, 08 series

when he wasn't in 00 Duncan rolled us, and with a torn Labrum in 03, Spurs won.

get your facts straight moron

[Megabox!]

Kobe rivals were Iverson, Carter, TMac and the Truth for the best SG and he won the battle.

Lebron rivals was Melo. Melo owns his soul mostly everytime they play together but Lebron always has the better stacked teams.
Please.....never post again

[k0kakw0rld]

the battle for player of the decade

60's - russell vs wilt

70's - kareem vs dr J

80's - magic vs bird

90's - jordan vs hakeem

00's - kobe vs duncan

10's - lebron vs kawhi? stephanie? austin rivers? lol




maybe kyle korver can take the torch if the hawks win

LeBron vs Pierce
LeBron vs Durant

So it's LeBron's fault if his competition are betas?

When LeBron was waiting for Kobe he never showed up :confusedshrug:

[WorldWarriors]

LOL what kind of thread is this? Hawks were the number one team in East.

[sportjames23]

the battle for player of the decade

60's - russell vs wilt

70's - kareem vs dr J

80's - magic vs bird

90's - jordan vs hakeem

00's - kobe vs duncan

10's - lebron vs kawhi? stephanie? austin rivers? lol




maybe kyle korver can take the torch if the hawks win


Um, MJ had no rival for player of the 90s.

And where's Shaq for the 00s?

[Spurs5Rings2014]

6 playoff series vs each other
kobe winning 4
duncan winning 2



kobe won 5 titles all during a time when tim duncan was elite or near it... and hes another top 10 player all time


Kobe was the best player in the 01, 02, 04, 08 series

when he wasn't in 00 Duncan rolled us, and with a torn Labrum in 03, Spurs won.

Kobe & Shaq winning 3 of those 4*

Acting like PEAK Shaq made no difference in those match ups.

:kobe:

Kobe won 3 of those match ups with ANOTHER top 10 player all time vs. 1 top 10 of all time, and those 3 that they won were BEFORE Parker, Gino, etc were either on the team or were half decent.

What perimeter players did Kobe have to match up with when he faced us each of those years? Was it another top 10 all time great like Shaq had in Duncan? What would happen if it was? Someone like Jordan, for instance, the only other top 10 SG there is? Hmm? And was Duncan, Gino, etc injured for any of those series as well since you feel so willing to make excuses for Kobe in '03?

C'mon, Kobe stans. Speak up.

[PsychoBe]

Kobe & Shaq winning 3 of those 4*

Acting like PEAK Shaq made no difference in those match ups.

:kobe:

Kobe won 3 of those match ups with ANOTHER top 10 player all time vs. 1 top 10 of all time, and those 3 that they won were BEFORE Parker, Gino, etc were either on the team or were half decent.

What perimeter players did Kobe have to match up with when he faced us each of those years? Was it another top 10 all time great like Shaq had in Duncan? What would happen if it was? Someone like Jordan, for instance, the only other top 10 SG there is? Hmm? And was Duncan, Gino, etc injured for any of those series as well since you feel so willing to make excuses for Kobe in '03?

C'mon, Kobe stans. Speak up.

duncan played pf not center.

[Cleverness]

OP puts Hakeem with Jordan despite them never meeting in the finals; Kobe with Duncan despite them never defending each other; and Kawhi over Durant who when healthy (this year being an anomaly) is arguably the best player in the game.

Weak era for bait

:banana:

[I<3NBA]

it would have to be Duncan or Pierce. Duncan is pretty much Lebron's rival in the Finals. met 3x, with Duncan 2-1 over Lebron. Pierce is Lebron's rival in the East.

[sportjames23]

lebron has a MASSIVE h2h advantage over kobe via stats and team w's

^^^ its not really a rivalry in such a lopsided comparison


Kobe's got 5 vs Lebron's 2.

You're right--it IS lopsided.

[nzahir]

His same position; paul pierce. 2-2, lebron grew from those matchups.
Kd could be one if both teams meet a couple times in the finals.
Paul george as well but lebron is 3-0 vs him.

Besides his position there is probably 2.
Rose(but he is 0-4 vs lebron so idk if this is a rivalry tbh) and the spurs(duncan and parker)