Derrick "Mr. Humble" Rose Upset About Having to Share the Spotlight with Jimmy Butler

[NumberSix]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/05/18/bernstein-derrick-rosejimmy-butler-tension-marred-game-6/

[Im Still Ballin]

In before Jimmy leaves for LA

[NumberSix]

In before Jimmy leaves for LA
He probably should. This Bulls team is going nowhere and Rose is a pouty little child who doesn't want to share his "the man" role, despite not being a "the man" type of player.

[kamil]

Article regards the two as 'alpha dogs'

Neither of them are that. Especially Rose with two crippled knees.

[scm5]

In before Jimmy leaves for LA

I hope that every exaggeration of Chicago's stinginess is true and that they refuse to match the max contract that the Lakers are supposedly preparing to offer.

[kamil]

In before Jimmy leaves for LA

LA needs to stay completely irrelevant another 10 years. You've had enough success.

Kindly leave and impregnate yourself.

[scm5]

He probably should. This Bulls team is going nowhere and Rose is a pouty little child who doesn't want to share his "the man" role, despite not being a "the man" type of player.

He should, but he can't. He's a restricted free agent and the Bulls will for sure match any offer he gets.

[Optimus Prime]

Rose's "humility" is a media-manufactured myth, just like LeBeta's legendary status.

:facepalm

[ISHGoat]

That bulls team isnt going anywhere paying an injury prone, overrated chucker 20m for the next handful of years

[Im Still Ballin]

I'm a Kings fan kamil

I'd just like to see the Lakers get on the right track because they are undoubtedly one of the most, if not liked teams... Controversial... Universally hated by many...

The league is more interesting when the Lakers are a top team, not Memphis/Portland

[Bernkastel]

AF move by Rose.

[NumberSix]

AF move by Rose.
What does AF mean?

[Im Still Ballin]

AF usually means 'As ****'

A black inner city slang

Bern didn't really use it right

[ZMonkey11]

Wow, not one word from Rose this whole article and you are saying "Mr. Humble" is upset about having to share the spotlight. Because of "sources." Say hi to Chris Broussard for me.

[clipps]

In before Jimmy leaves for LA

Trade DJ and Hawes for Butler and Noah. Won't happen. Doc hates athletic 2 way players. He'd rather settle for slow footed spot up shooters.

[Prometheus]

AF move by Rose.

Are you okay?

[Lensanity]

What a ****ing loser. He will never win anything yet all of his pathetic high school dropout loser fans will support him to death because he is their thug loser idol who failed the ACT 3 times because he is practically a ****ing 6 year old with downs syndrome and then cheated on his SAT.

Derrick Rose will never be better than Jimmy Butler ever again. The Bulls should trade his retarded ass.

[NumberSix]

What a ****ing loser. He will never win anything yet all of his pathetic high school dropout loser fans will support him to death because he is their thug loser idol who failed the ACT 3 times because he is practically a ****ing 6 year old with downs syndrome and then cheated on his SAT.

Derrick Rose will never be better than Jimmy Butler ever again. The Bulls should trade his retarded ass.
To who? What team wants to pay his $20 million a year contract?

[Bernkastel]

AF usually means 'As ****'

A black inner city slang

Bern didn't really use it right
I can't think when hungry.

Alpha af

[Bernkastel]

Are you okay?
no, I'm hungry right now. :(

[Dro]

Rose's "humility" is a media-manufactured myth, just like LeBeta's legendary status.

:facepalm
What does this thread have to do with Lebron? Some of you are really obsessed with that man.....

[Lensanity]

To who? What team wants to pay his $20 million a year contract?

There are plenty of teams that want a marketable star for all the high school dropouts working at McDonalds to look up to. Jet fuel can't melt steel beams. The Kings, Knicks, Nuggets, Nets, Hornets are all terrible organizations that would take Rose in a heartbeat.

[ImKobe]

Chicago ain't letting Butler walk, no way. I mean, even at max he's worth the money. Bulls should let Thibs walk and trade Rose for whatever they can get, maybe something during the draft.

Butler is up-and-coming, Rose has seen his best days. Bulls would be stupid to go with Rose.

[nnn123]

The obvious question upon reading this article is how 'Dan Bernstein' and his crew were able to find out about Rose's inner feelings of jealousy towards Butler. Do they have special mind-reading powers?

[nathanjizzle]

let butler go. he threw game 6 for us. hes overrated anyway and will be a mediocre player elsewhere. Get rid of joakim, taj gibson and get brook lopez.

[Dro]

let butler go. he threw game 6 for us. hes overrated anyway and will be a mediocre player elsewhere. Get rid of joakim, taj gibson and get brook lopez.
LoL.

[nathanjizzle]

LoL.

whats so funny breh?

[RedBlackAttack]

Rose still has moments where he does something athletically amazing, but I think it became pretty obvious this season that Butler is their best all-around player. Not necessarily a knock on Rose... Butler is just really freaking good.

[nathanjizzle]

Rose still has moments where he does something athletically amazing, but I think it became pretty obvious this season that Butler is their best all-around player. Not necessarily a knock on Rose... Butler is just really freaking good.

butler is overrated and this is an example why.

[Dro]

whats so funny breh?
Because Butler has been the best Bull this year but now all of a sudden, since him and Rose are having tension, now he's expendable and only mediocre. Its funny.

[Solefade]

AF usually means 'As ****'

A black inner city slang

Bern didn't really use it right



:roll: :roll:

[Solefade]

let butler go. he threw game 6 for us. hes overrated anyway and will be a mediocre player elsewhere. Get rid of joakim, taj gibson and get brook lopez.


did you mean rose?

[RedBlackAttack]

butler is overrated and this is an example why.
If Rose is better than Butler offensively, it isn't by much at this stage... and Butler is by far the team's best defender. I have no dog in this fight and I just watched this team extremely closely in a hard-fought series.

Butler did as good a job on LeBron as anyone could possibly expect and he still had enough energy to make huge plays offensively throughout the series.

Rose was given a gift by being allowed to conserve energy defending an essentially one-legged Kyrie Irving and he still shot just 38% from the field and 31% from three for the series.

At some point, you will see the light.

[Dro]

If Rose is better than Butler offensively, it isn't by much at this stage... and Butler is by far the team's best defender. I have no dog in this fight and I just watched this team extremely closely in a hard-fought series.

Butler did as good a job on LeBron as anyone could possibly expect and he still had enough energy to make huge plays offensively throughout the series.

Rose was given a gift by being allowed to conserve energy defending an essentially one-legged Kyrie Irving and he still shot just 38% from the field and 31% from three for the series.

At some point, you will see the light.
And he let Matthew Delladova or however you spell it, hold him down....:wtf:

[nathanjizzle]

Because Butler has been the best Bull this year but now all of a sudden, since him and Rose are having tension, now he's expendable and only mediocre. Its funny.

but he was never the best bulls player this year and if he was it was very inconsistent through the season. i am aware that is the consensus though. you wont find one post about me praising jimmy butler as if he is a superstar or even an allstar like almost everyone does. obviously hes a good to great player, but hes not that kind of player like a james harden, dwyane wade, or a rose. and common, if you compare butler to an old washed up dwyane wade, wades stats this season are even better 21.5 points and 5 assists vs 20 points and 3 assists. stop the overrating, then to say hes better than rose, you clearly havent watched enough bulls games this season.

[nathanjizzle]

If Rose is better than Butler offensively, it isn't by much at this stage...

what? :roll: because butler averaged 20 points and rose averaged 17.7 points makes butler better offensively?:lol rose actually drives and controls the offense, whether hes scoring or making plays. Its obvious in butlers game butler cant do what rose does. :facepalm

keep overrating.

[RedBlackAttack]

And he let Matthew Delladova or however you spell it, hold him down....:wtf:
The other thing about Rose that I'm not wild about... his game seems almost completely reliant on his absurd athleticism. Once he begins the inevitable decline as he ages or -- hopefully not -- he gets injured again, he won't be able to do much of anything.

Take a look at Kyrie Irving as almost the exact opposite. The guy was hobbling around all over the floor, but he still found a way to be effective at times in the series simply based on his ability to space the floor or be creative in traffic.

I'm still trying to figure out how he put up an efficient 25/6 in his condition in Game 5.


Point guards in today's NBA need to have a consistent jumper to fall back on, all else fails. We are in a pace and space NBA. Rose is still an effective player when he's bouncing around and he can fly past defenders, but if that is off even a little? Doesn't look good.

My two cents. I'm sure a lot of people will hate me for it, because Rose has a rabid following.

[RedBlackAttack]

what? :roll: because butler averaged 20 points and rose averaged 17.7 points makes butler better offensively?:lol rose actually drives and controls the offense, whether hes scoring or making plays. Its obvious in butlers game butler cant do what rose does. :facepalm

keep overrating.
Re-read the post you quoted then respond appropriately.

[nathanjizzle]

Re-read the post you quoted then respond appropriately.

at scoring, sure. on offense, its not the same league.

[Smoke117]

whats so funny breh?

You are. Your Rose dick sucking is hilarious.

[97 bulls]

but he was never the best bulls player this year and if he was it was very inconsistent through the season. i am aware that is the consensus though. you wont find one post about me praising jimmy butler as if he is a superstar or even an allstar like almost everyone does. obviously hes a good to great player, but hes not that kind of player like a james harden, dwyane wade, or a rose. and common, if you compare butler to an old washed up dwyane wade, wades stats this season are even better 21.5 points and 5 assists vs 20 points and 3 assists. stop the overrating, then to say hes better than rose, you clearly havent watched enough bulls games this season.
Whoa. You bit off a whole lot there Nate. I love Rose. Am not gonna jump to conclusions about this situation, but as of now, Butler impacts the Bulls much more than Rose.

Butlers defense kinda regressed early in the season, but come playoff time, he was a beast. And if you take Butlers 20/6/3/2/1 and all world defense, he was the Bulls best player. Or at worst traded off with Gasol.

Comparing Butler to Wade this year is an insult to Butler.

[oarabbus]

AF usually means 'As ****'

A black inner city slang

Bern didn't really use it right

He used it wrong AF :facepalm

[jbryan1984]

The ship has sailed for Rose. He missed like 3 years. Crazy. Butler's turn now. He either needs to accept his role or move on. Really unfair to the Chicago fans.

[nathanjizzle]

Butler impacts the Bulls much more than Rose.


:roll: whoa, you went to another level there. you can argue scoring, but impact? :roll: our entire season was mediocre and butler was playing at his best. but you equate that to impact?

[RedBlackAttack]

:roll: whoa, you went to another level there. you can argue scoring, but impact? :roll: our entire season was mediocre and butler was playing at his best. but you equate that to impact?
If the Bulls traded Rose, would you still be a fan of the franchise? You seem to be trending more toward player-fan than team-fan... not that there's anything wrong with that.

I'm not sure how a Bulls fan couldn't appreciate all of the things Butler does for that team.

[Pointguard]

Rose still has moments where he does something athletically amazing, but I think it became pretty obvious this season that Butler is their best all-around player. Not necessarily a knock on Rose... Butler is just really freaking good.
Speak plain. Is better all around player mean better player? Iggy is a better all around player than Kyrie. Is he a better player? Just speak plain.

You have a nervous about Rose?

[Pointguard]

The other thing about Rose that I'm not wild about... his game seems almost completely reliant on his absurd athleticism. Once he begins the inevitable decline as he ages or -- hopefully not -- he gets injured again, he won't be able to do much of anything.

Rose with a torn Meniscus held Curry better than anybody this whole year. You think he's a better athlete than half the point guards in the league with a torn Meniscus? That's absurd.



Take a look at Kyrie Irving as almost the exact opposite. The guy was hobbling around all over the floor, but he still found a way to be effective at times in the series simply based on his ability to space the floor or be creative in traffic.
Oh, so this is why you were too scared to say one word when the series was on? Rose's jump shot was off because when there is a tear, you leap unevenly. The brain re calibrating the second the body says jump. So Rose jump shot was just three weeks old in that series.



I'm still trying to figure out how he put up an efficient 25/6 in his condition in Game 5.
Would you rather he have a Meniscus tear after three years of knee surgery?



Point guards in today's NBA need to have a consistent jumper to fall back on, all else fails. We are in a pace and space NBA. Rose is still an effective player when he's bouncing around and he can fly past defenders, but if that is off even a little? Doesn't look good.

Read two paragraphs up about the jump shot. When Rose had his wind, you were quiet. Your talk of him never coming back to himself got quiet. Your talk of him versus Kyrie got real quiet. And now you got your confidence up....

[RedBlackAttack]

Rose with a torn Meniscus held Curry better than anybody this whole year. You think he's a better athlete than half the point guards in the league with a torn Meniscus? That's absurd.


Oh, so this is why you were too scared to say one word when the series was on? Rose's jump shot was off because when there is a tear, you leap unevenly. The brain re calibrating the second the body says jump. So Rose jump shot was just three weeks old in that series.

Would you rather he have a Meniscus tear after three years of knee surgery? And when he had


Read two paragraphs up about the jump shot. When Rose had his wind, you were quiet. Your talk of him never coming back to himself got quiet. Your talk of him versus Kyrie got real quiet. And now you got your confidence up....
Have to say, I'm confused by this dialogue. I wasn't "quiet" during the series. I was on and off here throughout the thing and often during games. And, hell yes I was definitely afraid that Rose was going to explode since he was able to conserve energy on a hobbled KI on the other end. Problem is, it never really happened. He had a couple of pretty good games, but nothing the Cavs couldn't deal with.

Obviously, opinions on players and guys you are "afraid of" aren't static. It changes as you watch guys play.

I've never been an anti-Rose guy. In fact, I liked him quite a lot in the year he won MVP. Trust me, I was rooting for that particular Bulls team maybe more than any team not named the Cavs in my life as an avid NBA fan.

I have nothing against the guy.

I only call them how I see them. Maybe there were all of those extenuating circumstances that you listed. I don't follow the Bulls, so I can't go into great detail about his "wind" or where his injury status was during the Cavs-Bulls series. He looked healthy to me, especially in comparison to the guy he was playing across from.

If Rose comes back next year and looks the way he did in 2011, I'll have no problem in changing the way I feel about him and how he stacks up to Butler, etc.

I have to see it, though. It's not as personal as you're trying to make it. The NBA is better with a healthy, conditioned Rose. I don't even honestly consider him to be a huge rival of Kyrie. They're two completely different kinds of players. :confusedshrug:

[navy]

Anyone read the article?

I dont know what happended but a Rose led offense is better than a Butler led offense because Rose was playmaking and scoring well in the series. Butler was just hitting tough shots. It's no surprise that the Bulls died when Butler tried to take over and Rose disappeared if that is what actually happened.

That said, no reason why they cant figure it out. Rose should be the point and focus of the offense along with Pau Gasol as that combination is really great and Butler should pick his spots. Doesnt matter who takes the most shots.

[KembaWalker]

Anyone who legit reads to article and actually believes what this reporter with his "sources" is spitting then I got some bad news for you

[NumberSix]

Speak plain. Is better all around player mean better player? Iggy is a better all around player than Kyrie. Is he a better player? Just speak plain.

You have a nervous about Rose?
Better all around =/= more well rounded

Better all around = better player

More well rounded = could be better or worse

[Pointguard]

From the garbage article.
[B][I]"It looked strange when wing Jimmy Butler kept flashing to Rose

[navy]

I will say that Gasol does in fact need to be the primary offensive option more or less. Rose needs to be the point guard and Butler needs to pick his spots when he has a mismatch or open shot. I dont think it's that hard to figure out since they all play different and regular styles that mix together well.

Joakim Noah shouldnt touch the basketball. At all.

[Prometheus]

I will say that Gasol does in fact need to be the primary offensive option more or less. Rose needs to be the point guard and Butler needs to pick his spots when he has a mismatch or open shot. I dont think it's that hard to figure out since they all play different and regular styles that mix together well.

Joakim Noah shouldnt touch the basketball. At all.

:lol word

[Pointguard]

Have to say, I'm confused by this dialogue. I wasn't "quiet" during the series. I was on and off here throughout the thing and often during games. And, hell yes I was definitely afraid that Rose was going to explode since he was able to conserve energy on a hobbled KI on the other end. Problem is, it never really happened. He had a couple of pretty good games, but nothing the Cavs couldn't deal with.

I've never been an anti-Rose guy. In fact, I liked him quite a lot in the year he won MVP. Trust me, I was rooting for that particular Bulls team maybe more than any team not named the Cavs in my life as an avid NBA fan.

I have nothing against the guy.
So that wasn't you who was saying he isn't going to get better after the second month? That he was who he was going to be the rest of his career after he improved in three increments in that time period. He improved on a torn meniscus. And he got significantly better since then til that last operation. It seemed to just be hater foul wishing stuff. I must have missed it when you said "my bad"?


I only call them how I see them. Maybe there were all of those extenuating circumstances that you listed. I don't follow the Bulls, so I can't go into great detail about his "wind" or where his injury status was during the Cavs-Bulls series. He looked healthy to me, especially in comparison to the guy he was playing across from.
You follow him, you don't follow him... How did you miss the coverage that talked about his day's rest. You watch the games with the sound down???


If Rose comes back next year and looks the way he did in 2011, I'll have no problem in changing the way I feel about him and how he stacks up to Butler, etc.

I have to see it, though. It's not as personal as you're trying to make it. The NBA is better with a healthy, conditioned Rose. I don't even honestly consider him to be a huge rival of Kyrie. They're two completely different kinds of players. :confusedshrug:
You don't like him. There are other times I call you out on this. Butler is not ready to take over playoff games. Rose played bad almost every other game because of his wind. Butler did not take over those games. When Rose had his energy they won those games on his play. Butler will hopefully become a player that can take over a series. He's two steps removed from that. They are not equal players just yet. Believe it if you want to.

[Pointguard]

I will say that Gasol does in fact need to be the primary offensive option more or less. Rose needs to be the point guard and Butler needs to pick his spots when he has a mismatch or open shot. I dont think it's that hard to figure out since they all play different and regular styles that mix together well.

Joakim Noah shouldnt touch the basketball. At all.
Too sophisticated for the way Thibes coaches offense... Not going to happen. Gasol was the primary option and it hurt bad when he wasn't playing. Thibes couldn't readjust as he's not really that tuned into the offense.

[Pointguard]

Gasol did a lot of the interior passing that opened up things for Dunleavy and Butler.

[navy]

Too sophisticated for the way Thibes coaches offense... Not going to happen. Gasol was the primary option and it hurt bad when he wasn't playing. Thibes couldn't readjust as he's not really that tuned into the offense.
Yeah, the offense was terrible when Gasol is out of the game. The pick and roll with him is the only good thing I remember about the Bulls. Thibs needed to empower Mirotic instead of regulating him into garbage man. Although maybe the pressure got to him as he is a rookie .

Butler and Rose arent real offensive threats when they share the court with Gibson, Noah and Hinrich.The latter two perhaps the worst offensive duo in the league. Which was Thibs preferred comeback lineup in game 6. :oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

So that wasn't you who was saying he isn't going to get better after the second month? That he was who he was going to be the rest of his career after he improved in three increments in that time period. He improved on a torn meniscus. And he got significantly better since then til that last operation. It seemed to just be hater foul wishing stuff. I must have missed it when you said "my bad"?

What? If I said it, I don't remember saying it, which goes to show you how little investment I have in whatever Derrick Rose is doing during the season. I only care about him when he is playing against the Cavs or we're fighting for seeding, etc.

There was also a brief period during FIBA this past summer where Kyrie, Rose and Wall were all vying for the starting PG duties and I said what I thought was the case then. Maybe that's where your impression that I didn't like Rose grew from.

And, I didn't say "my bad" because why would I? The guy has suffered through three years of potentially career-altering injuries. There wasn't one person on this board who wasn't a skeptic of Rose at one point or another over the last few years. That was pretty much the standard reaction to the way things were going at the time.


You follow him, you don't follow him... How did you miss the coverage that talked about his day's rest. You watch the games with the sound down???
Oh, of course I heard that stuff, which Rose himself literally laughed at when it was brought up to him. Rose had, what? Four days off before the start of the series? The rest of the series was on one day's rest... and I thought his best individual performance came in Game 4, despite the loss.

He honestly didn't look much different in Game 1 with plenty of rest than he did in the rest of the series. That's why that "Rose can't do so and so on one day's rest" quietly went by the wayside as the series progressed.


You don't like him. There are other times I call you out on this. Butler is not ready to take over playoff games. Rose played bad almost every other game because of his wind. Butler did not take over those games. When Rose had his energy they won those games on his play. Butler will hopefully become a player that can take over a series. He's two steps removed from that. They are not equal players just yet. Believe it if you want to.

I guess it is easier to discount a person's opinion by labeling them a "hater," so -- if that's the way you want to play it -- it's pointless to even partake in the discussion.

I gave the Bulls -- including Rose -- all the credit in the world after that series. I will always consider that a very close series, much closer than it will probably be remembered because of what happened in Game 6. There were literally two or three plays that probably decided the outcome of the series and I thought both teams -- though extremely sloppy and ugly at times -- played their guts out for five games before the Bulls finally wilted in the second half of Game 6.

I was nothing but complimentary about the Bulls team and fans during that series. Go back and read the posts if you don't believe me.



Whatever this thing with Rose is, think what you will. The NBA is better with Rose circa 2011 or an improved version of that guy, even.. I've always maintained that and hoped that would be the case again at some point, even if it meant a tougher hurdle for my team. It's good for the league to have a dynamic, athletic player bouncing around the way he does and making the kinds of plays that only he can make.

But, I'm just a hater so who cares what I have to say.

[97 bulls]

:roll: whoa, you went to another level there. you can argue scoring, but impact? :roll: our entire season was mediocre and butler was playing at his best. but you equate that to impact?
As of now? I don't see how you can possibly say Rose has more impact than Butler. Any time you can put a guy on the oppositions best scorer without help, and he controls him like Butler can while giving you 20 pts. Thats a huge impact. Rose is great. But I don't see how anyone can say he had more.impact than Butler. Even worse, you're trying to compare Butler to Wade.

[97 bulls]

So that wasn't you who was saying he isn't going to get better after the second month? That he was who he was going to be the rest of his career after he improved in three increments in that time period. He improved on a torn meniscus. And he got significantly better since then til that last operation. It seemed to just be hater foul wishing stuff. I must have missed it when you said "my bad"?

You follow him, you don't follow him... How did you miss the coverage that talked about his day's rest. You watch the games with the sound down???

You don't like him. There are other times I call you out on this. Butler is not ready to take over playoff games. Rose played bad almost every other game because of his wind. Butler did not take over those games. When Rose had his energy they won those games on his play. Butler will hopefully become a player that can take over a series. He's two steps removed from that. They are not equal players just yet. Believe it if you want to.
I gotta disagree with your last paragraph PG. People just can't seem to fathom how much energy it takes to lock up a guy like Lebron James and then "take over" games. I mean what more could you ask from Butler? Drop 30-35 and play elite defense on James? How many alltime greats could do such?

[TheMan]

:oldlol:

I'm a member of a Chicago teams sports website and this article has been discussed and practically proven as shit Bernstein just makes up. Dude is known as a hack and you guys ate it up hook, line and sinker :roll:

So much fail in this thread :facepalm

[Pointguard]

What? If I said it, I don't remember saying it, which goes to show you how little investment I have in whatever Derrick Rose is doing during the season. I only care about him when he is playing against the Cavs or we're fighting for seeding, etc.

Oh, of course I heard that stuff, which Rose himself literally laughed at when it was brought up to him. Rose had, what? Four days off before the start of the series? The rest of the series was on one day's rest... and I thought his best individual performance came in Game 4, despite the loss.
Rose can't focus on his attention toward his off days for obvious reasons. One game good, one game bad was somewhat the pattern but its not a hard core pattern. I am telling you that when Rose played well against the Bucks they won. When he played well against the Cavs they had a chance to win. You don't really watch the Bulls but you are convinced that you know that Butler is the better player. I am telling you that there are players that win playoff games and then there are players that win series. Guess which one is better? Pretty simple to me.


He honestly didn't look much different in Game 1 with plenty of rest than he did in the rest of the series. That's why that "Rose can't do so and so on one day's rest" quietly went by the wayside as the series progressed.
Few people have had three years of misdiagnosed knee injuries. Its not going to be something that's super predictable. It was here and there. To say Rose was healed and the same player every game is borderline crazy.I see what you are saying and its possible to miss it if you aren't focusing.




I guess it is easier to discount a person's opinion by labeling them a "hater," so -- if that's the way you want to play it -- it's pointless to even partake in the discussion.
You said hateful stuff like he wasn't going to improve, or get better. Who says things like that? And he was getting better. Are you a knee doctor? I know a hater would say things like that and that's why I called you that. And to think he had a meniscus tear when you when you were talking down on him. You aren't the type to kick a person when he's down right? So I figured you have something against him.

This Butler thing is yet another confirmation for me. I don't care if you hate Rose, but its easier if you just say it.

[Pointguard]

Originally Posted by 97 bulls
I gotta disagree with your last paragraph PG. People just can't seem to fathom how much energy it takes to lock up a guy like Lebron James and then "take over" games. I mean what more could you ask from Butler? Drop 30-35 and play elite defense on James? How many alltime greats could do such?
Wasn't like he won games the previous series either. What's your excuse now?

When I talked of Rose having the kitchen sink thrown at him, and the team not being able to break a trap, and then Rose having to guard a healthy Wade unlike I ever seen anybody, you had many of times to back me up and say its exhausting. You never backed me up(NathanJizzle did) And Wade was shut down for the most part. Sobeit, only the 4th quarter but trying to break a trap is more exhausting than anything in basketball as it requires a ton of thinking as well.

But yeah, it was exhausting work for Butler. But he had a previous series and it didn't happen then.

[Pointguard]

:oldlol:

I'm a member of a Chicago teams sports website and this article has been discussed and practically proven as shit Bernstein just makes up. Dude is known as a hack and you guys ate it up hook, line and sinker :roll:

So much fail in this thread :facepalm
In post #52 I broke him down and showed him as a loony.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Anyone read the article?

I dont know what happended but a Rose led offense is better than a Butler led offense because Rose was playmaking and scoring well in the series. Butler was just hitting tough shots. It's no surprise that the Bulls died when Butler tried to take over and Rose disappeared if that is what actually happened.

That said, no reason why they cant figure it out. Rose should be the point and focus of the offense along with Pau Gasol as that combination is really great and Butler should pick his spots. Doesnt matter who takes the most shots.
I don't think they necessarily mean that Butler is a better playmaker. He's a better scorer, and the best scorer on the team. The Bulls would be better with a different PG who doesn't look to create his own shot as much as Rose does. Rose isn't the ideal PG to set up Butler.

[Pointguard]

I don't think they necessarily mean that Butler is a better playmaker. He's a better scorer, and the best scorer on the team. The Bulls would be better with a different PG who doesn't look to create his own shot as much as Rose does. Rose isn't the ideal PG to set up Butler.
The article said Rose deferred to Butler and that he actually did what you are criticizing him for. Did you read the article.

[Cocaine80s]

Pointguard why are you melting down so hard?

Butler>Rose, deal with it.

2011 Rose>> Butler though

[Pointguard]

Pointguard why are you melting down so hard?

Butler>Rose, deal with it.

2011 Rose>> Butler though
That's why I sprinkle my responses with questions. Meltdowns don't come with questions that folks can't answer - unless they are melted? But it would be helpful if the less inquisitive could tell that the article was bogus. I admit winded Rose was less than Butler. Only a fool would say Butler won that Buck series. And every other game he had an opportunity to shine. Better players win series if not that much, then games. Butler is a hell of a player but hes got a step to go. He really wasn't Paul George just yet.

[97 bulls]

Wasn't like he won games the previous series either. What's your excuse now?

When I talked of Rose having the kitchen sink thrown at him, and the team not being able to break a trap, and then Rose having to guard a healthy Wade unlike I ever seen anybody, you had many of times to back me up and say its exhausting. You never backed me up(NathanJizzle did) And Wade was shut down for the most part. Sobeit, only the 4th quarter but trying to break a trap is more exhausting than anything in basketball as it requires a ton of thinking as well.

But yeah, it was exhausting work for Butler. But he had a previous series and it didn't happen then.
I've always maintained that Rose had a lot on his plate in 2011. I blamed Korver, Bogans, and Deng for not making the Heat pay for going for broke on Rose. But that was 2011. Now? Butler does more for the Bulls. If Rose returns to form, then he takes back his spot.

[Ai2death]

Wow, not one word from Rose this whole article and you are saying "Mr. Humble" is upset about having to share the spotlight. Because of "sources." Say hi to Chris Broussard for me.

This, i was wondering if anyone actually read the article or just the head line, it's a complete opinion piece with no reliable or relevant sources.

[Pointguard]

I've always maintained that Rose had a lot on his plate in 2011. I blamed Korver, Bogans, and Deng for not making the Heat pay for going for broke on Rose. But that was 2011. Now? Butler does more for the Bulls. If Rose returns to form, then he takes back his spot.
Butler was not ready to be the man. Plain and simple. Its not easy to make that jump. If the Bucks went at Butler like the Heat went at Rose the Bucks win in 5 games. Rose still knows how to win series even in that reduced state. The team went as Rose went. Not Butler. Some of that is Thibes, as you have to be very creative to win with Thibes.

[ApexPredator]

Butler gone.

[poido123]

what? :roll: because butler averaged 20 points and rose averaged 17.7 points makes butler better offensively?:lol rose actually drives and controls the offense, whether hes scoring or making plays. Its obvious in butlers game butler cant do what rose does. :facepalm

keep overrating.


I'd trade rose before butler.

Rose just isn't the player to take us there.

Rose is the more dynamic scorer, however these days he has regressed to near butler level scoring.

[SwayDizzle]

it's obvious Rose would be the type to be affected by the emergence of another star taking his spotlight while he was away injured (and who wouldn't be?). there is no denying that at this point in time, Butler is the better player. if Rose can return to his former level of play, then he is the best player on the Bulls. HM to Gasol, who was beasting for the Bulls. if only Laker's management didn't treat Gasol like sh*t.

[tontoz]

let butler go. he threw game 6 for us. hes overrated anyway and will be a mediocre player elsewhere. Get rid of joakim, taj gibson and get brook lopez.


:roll:

The stan showing his true colors yet again.

Butler scored more points than Rose in the playoffs, shot much better, got to the foul line almost twice as much and played far better D. But the Bulls should get rid of him.

:rolleyes:

[tontoz]

As of now? I don't see how you can possibly say Rose has more impact than Butler. Any time you can put a guy on the oppositions best scorer without help, and he controls him like Butler can while giving you 20 pts. Thats a huge impact. Rose is great. But I don't see how anyone can say he had more.impact than Butler. Even worse, you're trying to compare Butler to Wade.


Why are you trying to talk sense to a stan? You know it is pointless.

[nathanjizzle]

I'd trade rose before butler.

Rose just isn't the player to take us there.

Rose is the more dynamic scorer, however these days he has regressed to near butler level scoring.

and butler is the player to "take us there" LOL. the overrating is amazing. did you not see what happened to the bulls when butler was the offensive leader in the 3rd and 4th qaurter of game 6? where rose only shot like 4 shots and butler took like 12.
gl with butler being the best player on the bulls with no rose then. remember the last 10 games of the season with rose out. the bulls went 5-5 in the EC:roll:

oh wait, didnt jimmy butler have the reigns in 2013 14? how good was the team? LOL. please explain how a bulls team led by jimmy butler is a mediocre team compared with rose. its beyond me how overrated jimmy is at this point, to say his impact is more than rose HAHA

[Jailblazers7]

Bill Simmons would be very proud about the amount of conjecture in that article from the OP.

[nathanjizzle]

you guys made me do it. Butler vs rose against the top 8 teams in the league. i only did this because i know what i saw in the season.

roses record is 6-5
butler 5-7

rose stats
22.4 5 assists

butler 18.25
3 assists

in those games without rose butler is 2-3.
in those games without butler rose is 2-1.

but people think butlers impact is greater than roses? :roll: :roll: :roll:
dumb sheeps, especially toztoz. LOL.

[Dro]

you guys made me do it. Butler vs rose against the top 8 teams in the league. i only did this because i know what i saw in the season.

roses record is 6-5
butler 5-7

rose stats
22.4 5 assists

butler 18.25
3 assists

in those games without rose butler is 2-3.
in those games without butler rose is 2-1.

but people think butlers impact is greater than roses? :roll: :roll: :roll:
dumb sheeps, especially toztoz. LOL.
Are you this much of a freakin stan? Sh*tting on one of your 2 best players just to prop up your favorite player? Dude said it right, you're more of a Rose fan, than a Bulls fan. And please tell me, why didn't Rose take more than 4 shots in the elimination game? If Kobe or Lebron did that, this forum would be shut down because of it......

[nathanjizzle]

Are you this much of a freakin stan? Sh*tting on one of your 2 best players just to prop up your favorite player? Dude said it right, you're more of a Rose fan, than a Bulls fan. And please tell me, why didn't Rose take more than 4 shots in the elimination game? If Kobe or Lebron did that, this forum would be shut down because of it......

im not shitting on anybody, im telling the truth, thats it:confusedshrug: . actually, both players wernt great at all, all season.
yes, rose has only made the bulls and elite team anytime he plays, and what has butler done? but butler is better than rose now? and trade rose before butler? :roll:
i dont care what you label me as. ive been a fan of the bulls since 96. and yes i am a fan of rose more than butler. and i dont really care about any other bulls fans that think im stupid for saying it because its not popular consensus. but its quite stupid to think butler a glorified role player is going to lead the bulls anywhere, just like he has done in 2013-14.

and actually, i dont even like rose that much anymore.

[AirFederer]

Rose should come off the bench. He's nowhere near 2011 form and even then he was overrated.

[KelticForce1349]

If Rose is better than Butler offensively, it isn't by much at this stage... and Butler is by far the team's best defender. I have no dog in this fight and I just watched this team extremely closely in a hard-fought series.

Butler did as good a job on LeBron as anyone could possibly expect and he still had enough energy to make huge plays offensively throughout the series.

Rose was given a gift by being allowed to conserve energy defending an essentially one-legged Kyrie Irving and he still shot just 38% from the field and 31% from three for the series.

At some point, you will see the light.


Perfect post. I am a Bulls fan and I could not agree more. :cheers:

[Pointguard]

Originally Posted by nathanjizzle
you guys made me do it. Butler vs rose against the top 8 teams in the league. i only did this because i know what i saw in the season.

roses record is 6-5
butler 5-7

rose stats
22.4 5 assists

butler 18.25
3 assists

in those games without rose butler is 2-3.
in those games without butler rose is 2-1.

but people think butlers impact is greater than roses?
dumb sheeps, especially toztoz. LOL.


Are you this much of a freakin stan? Sh*tting on one of your 2 best players just to prop up your favorite player? Dude said it right, you're more of a Rose fan, than a Bulls fan. And please tell me, why didn't Rose take more than 4 shots in the elimination game? If Kobe or Lebron did that, this forum would be shut down because of it......

I don't get it. I don't see one derogatory word there???

[97 bulls]

Butler was not ready to be the man. Plain and simple. Its not easy to make that jump. If the Bucks went at Butler like the Heat went at Rose the Bucks win in 5 games. Rose still knows how to win series even in that reduced state. The team went as Rose went. Not Butler. Some of that is Thibes, as you have to be very creative to win with Thibes.
But Rose didn't lead the Bulls anywhere either. Lets not forget they both are on the same team.

Again, im not comparing 2011 Rose to Butler now. Butler would have to take a backseat. But I am comparing them as they are today. Rose did show flashes of his former self. But there were games were he was just dreadful. On both ends of the floor. Especially in the playoffs.

[97 bulls]

im not shitting on anybody, im telling the truth, thats it:confusedshrug: . actually, both players wernt great at all, all season.
yes, rose has only made the bulls and elite team anytime he plays, and what has butler done? but butler is better than rose now? and trade rose before butler? :roll:
i dont care what you label me as. ive been a fan of the bulls since 96. and yes i am a fan of rose more than butler. and i dont really care about any other bulls fans that think im stupid for saying it because its not popular consensus. but its quite stupid to think butler a glorified role player is going to lead the bulls anywhere, just like he has done in 2013-14.

and actually, i dont even like rose that much anymore.
It's an opionion Nate. No one should feel you're stupid to begin with. But one can disagree with your opinion. Saying that, I just don't see how you can say Rose RIGHT NOW is better than Butler. I mean, did you see what Delavadova did to Rose? And he did nothing on offense.

[Pointguard]

But Rose didn't lead the Bulls anywhere either. Lets not forget they both are on the same team.

Again, im not comparing 2011 Rose to Butler now. Butler would have to take a backseat. But I am comparing them as they are today. Rose did show flashes of his former self. But there were games were he was just dreadful. On both ends of the floor. Especially in the playoffs.
You are talking about games where he had a torn meniscus?

Rose was bad a lot after a good game in the playoffs. That's when Butler should have taken over. And Butler's shot attempts increased significantly in those games. No wins except, I think game two against the Bucks. If Butler was ready to step in for Rose they win when Butler plays well. But Butler's play is heavily tied to Rose's play. If Rose plays well they are in every game and win most of the time. Disprove that and I'll work with you. Until then you have no case for saying that Butler has more impact. Winning one playoff game is a far step from winning a series. The team goes as Rose goes.

[eeeeeebro]

dunleavy gibson and snell lost these games for us because they were not able to hit more than 1 - 10 in any given game............ This forced buttler and rose to play harder and take more shots and work alot harder you cannot force them to play that hard every game something is gonna give eventualy and it did.

[97 bulls]

You are talking about games where he had a torn meniscus?
I didn't know Rose was playing with a torn meniscus


Rose was bad a lot after a good game in the playoffs. That's when Butler should have taken over. And Butler's shot attempts increased significantly in those games. No wins except, I think game two against the Bucks. If Butler was ready to step in for Rose they win when Butler plays well. But Butler's play is heavily tied to Rose's play. If Rose plays well they are in every game and win most of the time. Disprove that and I'll work with you. Until then you have no case for saying that Butler has more impact. Winning one playoff game is a far step from winning a series. The team goes as Rose goes.
Too bad we can't watch the games together. Cuz what I saw from Rose was a bunch of TOs, Michael Carter-Williams (a throw away mind you) an injured Kyrie Irving, and A guys whose name I cant pronounce and a former Rugby player lighting Rose up game after game. While Butler took on Lebron James and held his own.

It wss Butler and Gasol who kept the Bulls afloat in Roses absence. When Rose came back, he was very conservative and took way too many threes. I understand he came back from injury and had to get back in the swing of things, but I cant let you guys come in here and blame Butler. Could Butler have scored more? Sure. But under the circumstances, I felt he had a solid playoff all thing considered.

Again. It seems to me that you're more arguing what Rose might be and what he used to be instead of what he actually is.

[97 bulls]

dunleavy gibson and snell lost these games for us because they were not able to hit more than 1 - 10 in any given game............ This forced buttler and rose to play harder and take more shots and work alot harder you cannot force them to play that hard every game something is gonna give eventualy and it did.
Even more was Noah and Gibson getting man handled by Thompson. I blame them first.

[nba_55]

You are talking about games where he had a torn meniscus?

Rose was bad a lot after a good game in the playoffs. That's when Butler should have taken over. And Butler's shot attempts increased significantly in those games. No wins except, I think game two against the Bucks. If Butler was ready to step in for Rose they win when Butler plays well. But Butler's play is heavily tied to Rose's play. If Rose plays well they are in every game and win most of the time. Disprove that and I'll work with you. Until then you have no case for saying that Butler has more impact. Winning one playoff game is a far step from winning a series. The team goes as Rose goes.

Lie. He didn't play with torn meniscus in the playoffs.

[poido123]

and butler is the player to "take us there" LOL. the overrating is amazing. did you not see what happened to the bulls when butler was the offensive leader in the 3rd and 4th qaurter of game 6? where rose only shot like 4 shots and butler took like 12.
gl with butler being the best player on the bulls with no rose then. remember the last 10 games of the season with rose out. the bulls went 5-5 in the EC:roll:

oh wait, didnt jimmy butler have the reigns in 2013 14? how good was the team? LOL. please explain how a bulls team led by jimmy butler is a mediocre team compared with rose. its beyond me how overrated jimmy is at this point, to say his impact is more than rose HAHA


Butler is the better piece moving forward. There are plenty of guys out there who can chuck up ill advised 3 pointers, or turn the ball over in crucial moments.

If rose isn't playing at an elite level, he is just a scoring point guard turnover machine with below average defense.

He is inconsistent as hell too. The team is better with him, sure. But not a must have piece anymore.

[Dro]

butler a glorified role player
If this is all you think of Butler then I guess there's no point to this anymore....:confusedshrug:

[BlazerRed]

I'm a Kings fan kamil

I'd just like to see the Lakers get on the right track because they are undoubtedly one of the most, if not liked teams... Controversial... Universally hated by many...

The league is more interesting when the Lakers are a top team, not Memphis/Portland
:coleman:

[Dro]

Again. It seems to me that you're more arguing what Rose might be and what he used to be instead of what he actually is.
Exactly. Hell, I've defender Rose more than any non-Bulls fan on this board when people were sh*tting on him left and right for not coming back from his injury.

But it is what it is...He's not the old Rose. Yes today Butler is better than him and I would choose him first...He's close to a lock down defender and he can get you 20 ppg. How is that not valuable?:confusedshrug:

[tontoz]

I only read part of the article but it was clearly nonsense. Butler called for the ball and Rose passed it to him. Nothing to see here.

The Bulls lost the last game by 21. Nothing Rose could have done differently would have won them that game.

It was pretty sad that a hobbled Irving punk'd Rose in game 4 though. That was a game the Bulls could have won if Rose showed up.

[poido123]

Exactly. Hell, I've defender Rose more than any non-Bulls fan on this board when people were sh*tting on him left and right for not coming back from his injury.

But it is what it is...He's not the old Rose. Yes today Butler is better than him and I would choose him first...He's close to a lock down defender and he can get you 20 ppg. How is that not valuable?:confusedshrug:


It is.

Jizzle doesn't reflect the sentiments of MOST Chicago fan opinions though.

He is a rose homer

[Roundball_Rock]

Much ado about nothing. There was no longstanding tension, just blip in one emotional game. They will figure it out next year.

[nathanjizzle]

Butler is the better piece moving forward. There are plenty of guys out there who can chuck up ill advised 3 pointers, or turn the ball over in crucial moments.

If rose isn't playing at an elite level, he is just a scoring point guard turnover machine with below average defense.

He is inconsistent as hell too. The team is better with him, sure. But not a must have piece anymore.

go ahead and look this over again.

Butler vs rose against the top 8 teams in the league

roses record is 6-5
butler 5-7

rose stats
22.4 5 assists

butler 18.25
3 assists

in those games without rose butler is 2-3.
in those games without butler rose is 2-1.

[nathanjizzle]

It is.

Jizzle doesn't reflect the sentiments of MOST Chicago fan opinions though.

He is a rose homer

do you live in chicago to know what real fans are thinking? or are you half way around the world from chicago?

[nathanjizzle]

It's an opionion Nate. No one should feel you're stupid to begin with. But one can disagree with your opinion. Saying that, I just don't see how you can say Rose RIGHT NOW is better than Butler. I mean, did you see what Delavadova did to Rose? And he did nothing on offense.

rose definitely has more impact on winning games than butler does. i know thats hard for many bulls fans too comprehend because of the hype butler has generated this year. but when it comes down to it, rose is the better player, better for the team, better for winning. If you guys really believe in butler this much that you can make rose expendable. i dont know what to tell ya.:roll:

Butler vs rose against the top 8 teams in the league this year.

roses record is 6-5
butler 5-7

rose stats
22.4 5 assists

butler 18.25
3 assists

in those games without rose butler is 2-3.
in those games without butler rose is 2-1.

if anyone who believes butler has more of an impact than rose, please explain these results? Rose has always led the bulls to a winning record against elite teams, even in this season!!! when butler has a losing one????there on the ****ing same team!!!?? and this is the guy youre putting ahead of rose? :facepalm do i have to pull up the record in 2013-14 when butler was the leader???

[97 bulls]

rose definitely has more impact on winning games than butler does. i know thats hard for many bulls fans too comprehend because of the hype butler has generated this year. but when it comes down to it, rose is the better player, better for the team, better for winning. If you guys really believe in butler this much that you can make rose expendable. i dont know what to tell ya.:roll:

Butler vs rose against the top 8 teams in the league this year.

roses record is 6-5
butler 5-7

rose stats
22.4 5 assists

butler 18.25
3 assists

in those games without rose butler is 2-3.
in those games without butler rose is 2-1.

if anyone who believes butler has more of an impact than rose, please explain these results? Rose has always led the bulls to a winning record against elite teams, even in this season!!! when butler has a losing one????there on the ****ing same team!!!?? and this is the guy youre putting ahead of rose? :facepalm do i have to pull up the record in 2013-14 when butler was the leader???
My response would simply be sample size. And to be honest, there really isnt that mucj of a difference. With Rose, they were 1 game above .500, and with Butler one win from .500

[nathanjizzle]

It was pretty sad that a hobbled Irving punk'd Rose in game 4 though. That was a game the Bulls could have won if Rose showed up.

idiot. rose scored 31 points and 4 assists. irving shot 2-10. yeahh he punkd rose. :facepalm

[nathanjizzle]

My response would simply be sample size. And to be honest, there really isnt that mucj of a difference. With Rose, they were 1 game above .500, and with Butler one win from .500

bulls last season led by butler they were 6-9. I dont think you can truly say and believe butler can lead the bulls to compete consistently against elite teams. the greatest game the bulls had this season was against hte warriors, where rose led the bulls to win and butler wasnt even playing. how about that impact:confusedshrug:

[97 bulls]

bulls last season led by butler they were 6-9. I dont think you can truly say and believe butler can lead the bulls to compete consistently against elite teams. the greatest game the bulls had this season was against hte warriors, where rose led the bulls to win and butler wasnt even playing. how about that impact:confusedshrug:
Again. The Bulls need both players to play to their abilities. Not just Butler and not just Rose. All im saying is this year????? Butler had a better season than Rose. You wanna talk about how the team faired when one was missing, how bout when they both were there and Rose fell so much in love with the three? And let's not forget that Rose missed half the season or damn near.

And mind you, Butler had his faults, his defense wasn't as effective early on. Both have work to do.

[tontoz]

idiot. rose scored 31 points and 4 assists. irving shot 2-10. yeahh he punkd rose. :facepalm


It was just a typo. I was talking about game 5. Anyone with basic common sense could see that but i can understand why you didn't.

Irving was obviously struggling to run and still dropped 25 while Rose shot 7-24.

Even Bulls fans are disowning you because you are so clueless.

:roll:

[ThickassGlasses]

I think the consensus of this thread is that Pointguard greatly, as always, is overrating Rose's injuries.

I have never heard someone go so far to defend a player by citing their injuries and making specific (and incorrect) home diagnose for what is/was wrong with them.

I know you googled Rose's injuries but what you keep claiming is a result of the injuries is not the case with WORLD CLASS strength and condition coaches as well as athletic training staff.

[Pointguard]

I think the consensus of this thread is that Pointguard greatly, as always, is overrating Rose's injuries.

I have never heard someone go so far to defend a player by citing their injuries and making specific (and incorrect) home diagnose for what is/was wrong with them.
When did I diagnose Rose's injuries? You didn't know he was out for three years with knee injuries? Are you still in the first grade? What are you saying specifically??? You sound lost. World class conditioning coaches can't repair three year progressive knee problems in a month. Jordan was one of the best athletes ever and after two years without injury he didn't get his body back three months later. Help me out? What are you saying? What are you unclear about?

[Pointguard]

Lie. He didn't play with torn meniscus in the playoffs.
He obviously wasn't talking about games that were the playoffs. Did you read his statement? That's why I put the question mark behind it. You obviously didn't read the statement and you have problems with understanding what a question mark means.

[Pointguard]

I didn't know Rose was playing with a torn meniscus

Too bad we can't watch the games together. Cuz what I saw from Rose was a bunch of TOs, Michael Carter-Williams (a throw away mind you) an injured Kyrie Irving, and A guys whose name I cant pronounce and a former Rugby player lighting Rose up game after game. While Butler took on Lebron James and held his own.

It wss Butler and Gasol who kept the Bulls afloat in Roses absence. When Rose came back, he was very conservative and took way too many threes. I understand he came back from injury and had to get back in the swing of things, but I cant let you guys come in here and blame Butler. Could Butler have scored more? Sure. But under the circumstances, I felt he had a solid playoff all thing considered.

Again. It seems to me that you're more arguing what Rose might be and what he used to be instead of what he actually is.
Why do I have to say this four and five times? In the playoffs Rose had off games after his good games. Butler's opportunities to win games were the off games. He did that once with the Bucks. The team is good enough that Butler should have won one more game if they were on equal influence.

As Rose goes, so does the team.
Its not as Butler goes, so does the team. And its not debatable.

You avoid this the first three times I said this. Do you get it??? Butler has better games when Rose plays better.

Carrying the team or being of that influence is on the guys that know how to win games. Usually once a player learns it, it sticks. Butler does nearly the exact same thing Paul George did two years ago. But Paul George had that quality about himself that turned the corner and knew how to impact a win. Rose and Butler same team. Rose plays bad, they lose. Rose plays well its down to the last shot.

But Butler is getting there. He wasn't there this year.

[Pointguard]

Butler is the better piece moving forward. There are plenty of guys out there who can chuck up ill advised 3 pointers, or turn the ball over in crucial moments.


Seven years with eight top ten picks? Not one meant anything at all. Rose finally comes along and changes that misfortune. He gets injured. Stayed injured with an incredible amount of misdiagnosis on the Bulls staff. Isn't himself since the playoffs start after finally getting his knees right after three years with one week left in the season. Three games that Rose plays up to par its down to the last shot with two wins. Not one other Bulls player influences a win. Abandon Rose. What do fair weather people deserve? They don't deserve the good weather. Get my drift.

[97 bulls]

Why do I have to say this four and five times? In the playoffs Rose had off games after his good games. Butler's opportunities to win games were the off games. He did that once with the Bucks. The team is good enough that Butler should have won one more game if they were on equal influence.
Lol. So Butler has to win games without Rose?????? But not Rose without Butler???? What was Rose doing when Butler had his off games? And why dont you give suitable credit to Butlers defense on James? Cuz if James played the Chicago series the way he did vs Atlanta tonight, the Bulls are getting swept.



As Rose goes, so does the team.
And this is why the Bulls are watching the ECF like us.


Its not as Butler goes, so does the team. And its not debatable.
The Bulls need both of them PG.


You avoid this the first three times I said this. Do you get it??? Butler has better games when Rose plays better.
Two things. Did you not see Butler in the 30 games that Rose missed? He hardly looked lost. And the second thing. Rise isn't a traditional PG. He leaves his feet to pass wayyy too much, and he looks to score first. His team is there to make his scoring easier not the other way around. Obviously it's a symbiotic relationship, in that both entities need each other. Like in 2011 (Roses last great season mind you). The Heat threw the kitchen sink at him and his teammates didn't make him pay. They did this because the Heat wanted to take away Roses SCORING opportunities. Not take away his ability to run an offense.


Carrying the team or being of that influence is on the guys that know how to win games. Usually once a player learns it, it sticks. Butler does nearly the exact same thing Paul George did two years ago. But Paul George had that quality about himself that turned the corner and knew how to impact a win. Rose and Butler same team. Rose plays bad, they lose. Rose plays well its down to the last shot.
Its hard to win games when one of your best players play bad. This goes without saying. You keep talking about Rose winning games for the Bulls the last few season, and im kinda dumbfounded because to my recollection, Rose hasn't played much the last three years. Hell he missed 30 games this year.



But Butler is getting there. He wasn't there this year.
I agree. Hopefully he continues to improve, and isnt playing like this solely because its a contract year.
Now answer this question...... Are you really saying that Rose had a better season than Butler???? Not career, not comparing Roses 2011 to Butler this year, im asking for your opinion on Rose 14/15 vs Butler 14/15.