Coach Thibbs and the media owe us an apology

[3ball]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/54cd4db17a9330ca58b8e33a0b6f9b2f.gif


.. for perpetrating a massive lie along with the media that the strongside flood is a tougher defensive tactic than what previous eras faced.

Hey Thibbs, nice try at lying you ****ing dumbass, but we're smarter than that - newsflash: strongside floods aren't needed when all 5 defenders are already on the strongside (see example in GIF above) - this was the case in previous eras when there was no 3-point shooting or floor-spreaders on the weakside to take defenders away from the strongside.

The amazing thing about Thibbs' lie is how easy it can be proven a lie (i just did it in paragraph above, and i'm about to do it again) - strongside floods are merely weakside defenders flooding BACK OVER to the strongside, after first being drawn away by weakside floor-spreaders.. But obviously, previous eras didn't have 3-point shooting or weakside floor-spreaders, so they didn't have to leave the strongside to begin with and therefore didn't have to flood back over.

But nonetheless, it gives everyone that fuzzy feeling to say everything is more advanced today, so people overlook reality, and fall hook-line-and-sinker for the Thibbs' lie/stupidity (not sure which one it is).. ****ing lames

[navy]

Why would Thibs lie?

[Cocaine80s]

Interesting, so does this mean Lebron>Jordan?

[inclinerator]

he's smarter than you

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Someone send this thread to the NBA.

That will show Thibs! And hey who knows? Maybe it'll get him blackballed?!?!? :eek:

[JUDGE WITNESS]

im on the phone with thibbs right now ill ask him about it

[MrC1991]

im on the phone with thibbs right now ill ask him about it

Tell Thibs I said give some of those bench guys a spin and see how shit works out. From a concerned bulls fan.

[HelterSkelter]

If a first time ISH visitor looked at your avatar, he might think you're a fan of John Salley's ass (or whoever that is)

[3ball]

Interesting, so does this mean Lebron>Jordan?


In the picture below, weakside floor-spreaders have drawn defenders away from the strongside.. If Noah doesn't leave #20 Mosgov and flood to the strongside, the strongside will only have 2 defenders on it.. This demonstrates how spacing necessitates flooding - defenders must flood BACK to the strongside (Noah), only because they were originally drawn away by floor-spreaders on the weakside (Mosgov)


http://i61.tinypic.com/2z7mnvm.png



Otoh, previous eras didn't have weakside floor-spreaders drawing defenders away from the strongside, so the strongside was usually ALREADY FLOODED with all 5 defenders, as seen below:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/6f2bdd4d49761fa8f80d0db756aa9770.gif


Without 3-point shooting, previous eras didn't have spacing or weakside floor-spreaders to draw defenders away from the strongside, so players faced more defenders on the strongside than today's game.. In today's game, weakside spacing ensures a more porous distribution of strongside defenders that prevents today's players from ever having to face a strongside with all 5 defenders on it (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21).

Accordingly, the stats of today's players should be downgraded appropriately, particularly the paint and at-rim efficiencies that benefited from the porous strongside defense.. It should also be noted that the porous spacing also allows today's players to take longer with decisions, while getting away with a weaker, less sophisticated repertoire and isolation ability (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375397).

[3ball]

Why would Thibs lie?


Not sure.. But he clearly did, or he's just that dumb.. A strongside doesn't need to be flooded when defenders are already on that side to begin with..

Defenders will always remain on the strongside when there aren't weakside floor-spreaders to draw them away - today's game has those weakside floor-spreaders, while previous eras didn't and usually had strongsides that remained perpetually flooded with all 5 defenders.

This is not conjecture - any old game shows 100 possessions or more per game where the strongside is flooded with all 5 defenders.

Otoh, due to weakside floor-spacing, the today's strongside is usually left with only 2 defenders, requiring a 3rd defender to flood over - this is porous compared to the strongsides of previous eras that usually had all 5 defenders on it (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21).

[Cocaine80s]

In the picture below, weakside floor-spreaders have drawn defenders away from the strongside.. If Noah doesn't leave #20 Mosgov and flood to the strongside, the strongside will only have 2 defenders on it.. This demonstrates how spacing necessitates flooding - defenders must flood BACK to the strongside (Noah), only because they were originally drawn away by floor-spreaders on the weakside (Mosgov)


http://i61.tinypic.com/2z7mnvm.png



Otoh, previous eras didn't have weakside floor-spreaders drawing defenders away from the strongside, so the strongside was usually ALREADY FLOODED with all 5 defenders, as seen below:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/6f2bdd4d49761fa8f80d0db756aa9770.gif


Without 3-point shooting, previous eras didn't have spacing or weakside floor-spreaders to draw defenders away from the strongside, so players faced more defenders on the strongside than today's game.. In today's game, weakside spacing ensures a more porous distribution of strongside defenders that prevents today's players from ever having to face a strongside with all 5 defenders on it (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21).

Accordingly, the stats of today's players should be downgraded appropriately, particularly the paint and at-rim efficiencies that benefited from the porous strongside defense.. It should also be noted that the porous spacing also allows today's players to take longer with decisions, while getting away with a weaker, less sophisticated repertoire and isolation ability (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375397).
No.

[3ball]

No.
There was no 3-point shooting or weakside floor-spreaders in previous eras to draw defenders away from the strongside, so I can show you 100 possessions per game where the strongside had all 5 defenders on it.

Can you show me ANY possessions from today's game where the strongside has all 5 defenders on it?

Otherwise, stfu

[Cocaine80s]

There was no 3-point shooting or weakside floor-spreaders in previous eras to draw defenders away from the strongside, so I can show you 100 possessions per game where the strongside had all 5 defenders on it.

Can you show me ANY possessions from today's game where the strongside has all 5 defenders on it?

Otherwise, stfu
Show me all 100 before i roast ur ass

[3ball]

Show me all 100 before i roast ur ass
i said i CAN show you, not that i'm dumb enough to post 100 pictures that the sky is blue - 2 or 3 should be enough, and that's been done already itt.

And I shouldn't have to show you - you have youtube - go watch any game.

But use your head, not your heart - it's intuitive.. Defenders will always remain on the strongside when there aren't weakside floor-spreaders to draw them away - today's game has those weakside floor-spreaders, while previous eras didn't and usually had strongsides that remained perpetually flooded with all 5 defenders (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21).

[Cocaine80s]

i said i CAN show you, not that i'm dumb enough to post 100 pictures that the sky is blue - 2 or 3 should be enough, and that's been done already itt.

And I shouldn't have to show you - you have youtube - go watch any game.

But use your head, not your heart - it's intuitive.. Defenders will always remain on the strongside when there aren't weakside floor-spreaders to draw them away - today's game has those weakside floor-spreaders, while previous eras didn't and usually had strongsides that remained perpetually flooded with all 5 defenders (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21).
Didnt read.

Also, Lebron just passed Jordan for most 30/5/5 games tonight with 52:applause:

[HelterSkelter]

How bad of a "lie" is this? Does he need to go to jail?

[raiderfan19]

You understand that bad offense and good defense are not one and the same right? What makes the flooding a better defense than the ones you are talking about is that it allows the defense to still cover the 3 pt line whereas the old defenses couldn't. Let me put it this way if you played that kind of d against the warriors or hawks, they'd put up 150 every night

[oarabbus]

i said i CAN show you, not that i'm dumb enough to post 100 pictures that the sky is blue - 2 or 3 should be enough, and that's been done already itt.

And I shouldn't have to show you - you have youtube - go watch any game.

But use your head, not your heart - it's intuitive.. Defenders will always remain on the strongside when there aren't weakside floor-spreaders to draw them away - today's game has those weakside floor-spreaders, while previous eras didn't and usually had strongsides that remained perpetually flooded with all 5 defenders (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21).


Agreed, the coaching was shitty as **** in the 90s, and is far superior now. The game has evolved so much :applause:

[fpliii]

The mind is a terrible thing to waste, OP.

[StephHamann]

Thibs is an obese fat slob

[fragokota]

The mind is a terrible thing to waste, OP.

This. Learn to enjoy greatness and appreciate it wherever it comes from boys. Whether it's Jordan, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Lebron etc. Stop being obsessed with certain players and trying to discredit other all time greats.

p.s 3ball you can be a great poster, instead of all these pointless threads where you overanalyze differences in the game between past and present just so you can prop your idol over lebron (Does MJ really need that???), you should actually start analyzing some of the playoff games.

[3ball]

The mind is a terrible thing to waste, OP.


I know being a big strongside flood advocate like yourself, it must hurt to deny the obvious - strongside floods aren't necessary when enough defenders are already on the strongside..

Thibbs' knew previous eras didn't have 3-point shooting or weakside floor-spreaders to draw defenders away from the strongside, and therefore knew players faced strongsides with more defenders on them that didn't need flooding... Or maybe he didn't, in which case he's a dumbass.

A flood's only purpose is to send weakside defenders back over to the strongside, after previously being drawn away by weakside floor-spreaders... You probably need an example though.. There's an example of Joakim Noah flooding vs. Cavs on previous page.

[dunksby]

3ball you made an online petition yet? Where do I sign?