The draft starts at #4

[el gringos]

Everybody seems to think the Knicks had some terrible thing happen to them by getting pick 4. Why, because taking that pick will take Balls. Minnesota or the lakers will take towns and the other won't have the Balls to take porzingis, so for public relations they will take okafor. Philadelphia then almost has a no brainer to take a pg. They will choose between 2 guys.

Then it gets interesting. Phil Jackson will step up and make a decision- and it's not for sure that it will be the no brainer everyone thinks of taking the leftover guard from Philadelphia's choice. He has 3 ways to go with it.

1- he could do what 90% would do and take whoever is left between mudiay or Russell. The pg spot badly needs filled by a big talent, and the draft may be the only way to do that. Knicks will be able to buy a big or a wing in Free Agency. Free agency looks terrible for getting a PG. But will Phil use the pick on a PG? It's not 90%


2- he could to the safest route and pick between the 2 safest picks in the draft. Guys that will come in day 1 and fit into a needed role. WCS and Winslow both could fit any team. Both slide into spots the Knicks need defenders at.


3- or does Phil swing for the fences and take the risk that porzingis is a future superstar? Could even see that in Mario. These 2 guys, esp porzingis will make gms look dumb, either the ones that draft them or the ones that don't.


So you could say that each of the first 3 picks are between 2 or less players each and that pick 4 is between 5 guys. But you can't take Mario there and it's way easier to find something close to Winslow than it is close to WCS so the draft starts at 4 when the Knicks choose from

Porzingis 7-1 pf
Mudiay (or Russell) pg
WCS


Phil isn't going to let public opinion make his choice. Just don't be surprised

[ISHGoat]

If knicks take one of the euro scrubs, it will set them back another 6 years :roll:

This would be bargnani-esque. That set the raptors back like a decade, we still havent recovered.

[ImKobe]

If knicks take one of the euro scrubs, it will set them back another 6 years :roll:

This would be bargnani-esque. That set the raptors back like a decade, we still havent recovered.

Agreed, I don't get the fascination these people have with European players. How many of them actually go on to have all-star careers in the NBA? Unless it's a slam dunk, I'm not taking my chance with a top 5 pick.

[WallIn]

I'd advise against drafting Europeans, no offense.

We drafted Vesely a couple of years ago with #6. Still have nightmares about this scrub.

[Mawly-G]

Knicks need to draft Russell and sign Monroe, Asik (or Robin Lopez--if you sign Monroe, you absolutely must pair him with a defensive big), and Wesley Mathews (a more realistic signing would be Aaron Afflalo), to round out a decently competitive starting lineup.

This may not be the greatest lineup for the Knicks, but I'm trying to be realistic in terms of what the Knicks need, and what they will probably get this summer.

Starting lineup:
D'Angelo Russell
Wesley Mathews (or Aaron Afflalo)
Carmelo Anthony
Greg Monroe
Robin Lopez (or Omir Asik)

Off the bench:
Jose Calderon
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Andrea Bargnani


They would at least be a 4-8 seed within the east, if Melo returns to form with these players.

[MP.Trey]

Russell would be good for them. High IQ, good passer and NBA range.

[UK2K]

If I were them, I would trade back... Because...

NYK wont have any trouble landing free agents (not as much trouble as Minnesota or Milwaukee), and they should have the cap room.

So I'd trade back to land two later lotto picks, or a later pick now and another next year. There are solid players to be had here (Lyles, Booker, Turner).

I think, given their unique situation, they are better suited to draft two above average rookies and try and make a FA splash. If they aren't landing Mudiay, Towns, or Okafor, they may as well build depth instead of talent because their roster is bare.

Just IMO.

[Mawly-G]

If I were them, I would trade back... Because...

NYK wont have any trouble landing free agents (not as much trouble as Minnesota or Milwaukee), and they should have the cap room.

So I'd trade back to land two later lotto picks, or a later pick now and another next year. There are solid players to be had here (Lyles, Booker, Turner).

I think, given their unique situation, they are better suited to draft two above average rookies and try and make a FA splash. If they aren't landing Mudiay, Towns, or Okafor, they may as well build depth instead of talent because their roster is bare.

Just IMO.

The only problem I have with this is the fact that the Knicks are STARVING for a floor general. They really need a good point guard. They have a chance right here in this draft to get a franchise-caliber PG with either Russell or Mudiay. The free agent pool is terrible this summer for point guards, so I wouldn't want them to piss away this opportunity.

[FireMcFailPlease]

Knicks need to draft Russell and sign Monroe, Asik (or Robin Lopez--if you sign Monroe, you absolutely must pair him with a defensive big), and Wesley Mathews (a more realistic signing would be Aaron Afflalo), to round out a decently competitive starting lineup.

This may not be the greatest lineup for the Knicks, but I'm trying to be realistic in terms of what the Knicks need, and what they will probably get this summer.

Starting lineup:
D'Angelo Russell
Wesley Mathews (or Aaron Afflalo)
Carmelo Anthony
Greg Monroe
Robin Lopez (or Omir Asik)

Off the bench:
Jose Calderon
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Andrea Bargnani


They would at least be a 4-8 seed within the east, if Melo returns to form with these players.
good luck trying to get Russell past Philly

[Mawly-G]

good luck trying to get Russell past Philly
True...

76ers just might take Mudiay though. Hard to say for sure. If they want to play with a run & gun style with Noel, Embiid, and Covington...they could end up taking Mudiay with their pick. We'll see though.

[GOBB]

True...

76ers just might take Mudiay though. Hard to say for sure. If they want to play with a run & gun style with Noel, Embiid, and Covington...they could end up taking Mudiay with their pick. We'll see though.

With all the Hinkie will take Russell hoopla? One thing I know is no one guesses right when it comes to predicting what he will do. And Mudiay also fits his analytics he likes to use. I think we will take him. He's a big PG, can attack the basket, run the pick n roll. He's not a shoot/score first PG either. He is a legit PG.

[kurple]

Knicks need to draft Russell and sign Monroe, Asik (or Robin Lopez--if you sign Monroe, you absolutely must pair him with a defensive big), and Wesley Mathews (a more realistic signing would be Aaron Afflalo), to round out a decently competitive starting lineup.

This may not be the greatest lineup for the Knicks, but I'm trying to be realistic in terms of what the Knicks need, and what they will probably get this summer.

Starting lineup:
D'Angelo Russell
Wesley Mathews (or Aaron Afflalo)
Carmelo Anthony
Greg Monroe
Robin Lopez (or Omir Asik)

Off the bench:
Jose Calderon
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Andrea Bargnani


They would at least be a 4-8 seed within the east, if Melo returns to form with these players.
Russell aint gonna be on the board at 4

And Mudiay-Melo-Monroe is a pretty unimpressive core IMO. Melo would make Mudiay and Monroe into jump shooter

[kurple]

With all the Hinkie will take Russell hoopla? One thing I know is no one guesses right when it comes to predicting what he will do. And Mudiay also fits his analytics he likes to use. I think we will take him. He's a big PG, can attack the basket, run the pick n roll. He's not a shoot/score first PG either. He is a legit PG.
sounds a bit like MCW. only more athletic ofc

Sixers need elite spacing next to Embiid and Noel. And not just from the SG spot

especially with Dario as the future SF. not exactly a great shooter

[SugarHill]

Agreed, I don't get the fascination these people have with European players. How many of them actually go on to have all-star careers in the NBA? Unless it's a slam dunk, I'm not taking my chance with a top 5 pick.
How many top 5 picks pan out period? Why is it only European? How many American top 5 picks have been utter busts? Most of them.

[UK2K]

The only problem I have with this is the fact that the Knicks are STARVING for a floor general. They really need a good point guard. They have a chance right here in this draft to get a franchise-caliber PG with either Russell or Mudiay. The free agent pool is terrible this summer for point guards, so I wouldn't want them to piss away this opportunity.
I think NYK are capable of landing several FAs considering they only have slightly more than $30m on the payroll next season.

They'll have nearly $40m to play with before even crossing the salary cap.

[UK2K]

How many top 5 picks pan out period? Why is it only European? How many American top 5 picks have been utter busts? Most of them.
Is that right..?

[Fudge]

Lol @ a dude named "Kristaps Porzingis" being a future household name. :roll:

Get real.

Euro scrubs gon Euro scrub. They're 90% more likely to ride the bench for 2 years then move back to Europe than they are being even just a decent role player.

Then again, it's the Knicks. I wouldn't even be surprised if they gambled and took one of those stinky Euro players. :lol ****ing idiots. You take one of either Winslow, or Mudiay/Russell, depending on who Philly takes. Nobody else should even be in consideration.

[el gringos]

You take one of either Winslow, or Mudiay/Russell, depending on who Philly takes. Nobody else should even be in consideration.
That's not true. You have to consider WCS, porzingis, and Mario if you are going to consider Winslow.



Who will go 5-6-7 it it were mudiay and Russell as 3&4?

[el gringos]

Knicks need to draft Russell and sign Monroe, Asik (or Robin Lopez--if you sign Monroe, you absolutely must pair him with a defensive big), and Wesley Mathews (a more realistic signing would be Aaron Afflalo), to round out a decently competitive starting lineup.

This may not be the greatest lineup for the Knicks, but I'm trying to be realistic in terms of what the Knicks need, and what they will probably get this summer.

Starting lineup:
D'Angelo Russell
Wesley Mathews (or Aaron Afflalo)
Carmelo Anthony
Greg Monroe
Robin Lopez (or Omir Asik)

Off the bench:
Jose Calderon
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Andrea Bargnani


They would at least be a 4-8 seed within the east, if Melo returns to form with these players.
Sure hope Knicks don't waste money on Wes Mathews. If the pick is a guard than sure the money has to be spent on pf and c, but don't like Monroe at max or robin Lopez for big money. Kanter>Monroe. Brook would be a much better signing than robin. Josh smith for 10 per would be a lot better than Monroe for max

[Mawly-G]

Sure hope Knicks don't waste money on Wes Mathews. If the pick is a guard than sure the money has to be spent on pf and c, but don't like Monroe at max or robin Lopez for big money. Kanter>Monroe. Brook would be a much better signing than robin. Josh smith for 10 per would be a lot better than Monroe for max
I don't think Oklahoma is going to let Kanter get away from them. He's also restricted free agent, so OKC can match whatever is sent his way. Robin Lopez is a decent defender, and that's what they'll need next to Monroe. Brook Lopez is far too inconsistent, and is one foot injury away from being out of this league (as he's had a TON of problems with his feet).

[veilside23]

why do people kinda feel bad because the knicks slipped a lil ... sure towns/okafor might be franchise players but its never a guarantee.

russell - has the basketball smarts of a brandoy roy and can really stroke it like mike conley ...

mudiay - hmmm maybe a clone of john wall offensively maybe a bit of a better shooter...

this year's draft is quite deep if you ask me.... i mean top 10 deep atleast. for crying out loud jordan clarkson was picked in the 2nd round and he proved to be the better pg than most of his peers.

Mudiay will be a stud there is no reason why he won't or can't after all he will be playing for new york ... he will be the focal point once anthony is done ... who wouldnt want to play for new york if you have a pg with that caliber.

[Mawly-G]

The Knicks slipping down to #4 is actually a blessing in disguise, because they really need a point guard. Free agency this summer is all about the bigs, and they can sign some decent talent at the forward and center positions.