Lebron's post scoring in Game 1

[3ball]

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Lebron only faced 1 defender on strongside!!!.. Weakside floor-spreaders lured the rest away:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-22-2015/WAhpK1.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-22-2015/4KTtgX.gif


Can you imagine the superior post players of previous eras feasting on strongsides that only had 1 defender on them?.. OMG.. It's amazing to fathom.. It wouldn't surprise me if Wilt could score 100 today - why not?.. Strongsides that ROUTINELY have only 1 defender on them??... Seriously?.. gtfo

After all, previous era players were accustomed to ALL 5 DEFENDERS (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21) being on the strongside because there was no 3-point shooting or weakside floor-spreaders to draw defenders away.
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[ISHGoat]

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Lebron only faced 1 defender on strongside!!!.. Weakside floor-spreaders lured the rest away:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-22-2015/WAhpK1.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-22-2015/4KTtgX.gif


Can you imagine the superior post players of previous eras feasting on strongsides that only had 1 defender on them?.. OMG.. It's amazing to fathom.. It wouldn't surprise me if Wilt could score 100 today - why not?.. Strongsides that ROUTINELY have only 1 defender on them??... Seriously?.. gtfo

After all, previous era players were accustomed to ALL 5 DEFENDERS (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21) being on the strongside because there was no 3-point shooting or weakside floor-spreaders to draw defenders away.
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shut the fu.ck up fakkit

[jzek]

Jordan would average 40 per quarter with this kind of "defense".

[AintNoSunshine]

Pick your poison with the top 5 ever post scorer who also happens to be the best ever passing SF. My god:bowdown: :bowdown:

[3ball]

Pick your poison.. My god:bowdown: :bowdown:



If you think it's impressive to score on strongsides that have 1 defender as shown in the OP, than what do you think about scoring on strongsides that have all 5 defenders (below)?


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/aa0c9a2d7b0693e4f750cc35f503cfdd.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/94f87fdc82edd2ed76f57bd0cf564aec.gif

[Jameerthefear]

If you think it's impressive to score on strongsides that have 1 defender as shown in the OP, than what do you think about scoring on strongsides that have all 5 defenders (below)?


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/4f2bc467a6f4e6ba3f9e9adeeb4cc57d.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/94f87fdc82edd2ed76f57bd0cf564aec.gif
Not impressed.

[3ball]

Not impressed.



In previous eras, there were no weakside floor-spreaders drawing defenders away from the strongside, so all 5 defenders remained on the strongside:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/51d9024d465f70980f24451de018c34f.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/6f2bdd4d49761fa8f80d0db756aa9770.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/54cd4db17a9330ca58b8e33a0b6f9b2f.gif


Defenders will always remain on the strongside when there aren't weakside floor-spreaders to draw them away - today's game has those weakside floor-spreaders, while previous eras didn't and had strongsides that remained perpetually flooded with all 5 defenders.

A flood's only purpose is to send weakside defenders back over to the strongside, after previously being drawn away by weakside floor-spreaders... It's easier to look at example.. There's an example of Joakim Noah flooding vs. Cavs on next page.
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[funnystuff]

In previous eras, there were no weakside floor-spreaders drawing defenders away from the strongside, so all 5 defenders remained on the strongside:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/51d9024d465f70980f24451de018c34f.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/6f2bdd4d49761fa8f80d0db756aa9770.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/54cd4db17a9330ca58b8e33a0b6f9b2f.gif


With all defenders on the strongside already, there was no need for strongside flooding..
those defenses look soft

[3ball]

those defenses look soft


:roll:

You're wrong.. 5 strongside defenders > 1

[funnystuff]

:roll:

You're wrong.. 5 strongside defenders > 1
All i see is a bunch of nonathletic dudes with 15 inch verticals jumping straight up

[3ball]

All i see is a bunch of nonathletic dudes with 15 inch verticals jumping straight up


I would direct you to this thread of MJ vs. the all-round GOAT defender:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359858


Or this thread of MJ vs. DPOY wing defenders:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376404


Or this thread that lists all SG's and SF's that were All-defensive team WHILE defending MJ:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=373916

[Lebron23]

I am more impressed with the LBJ gif. At least his opponents contested his shots unlike in the Jordan gif.

[sdot_thadon]

I am more impressed with the LBJ gif. At least his opponents contested his shots unlike in the Jordan gif.
Seriously, he picks the gif since there are 5 guys in the paint. Same gif has little to no contest on the shots....I'm sure u have better examples 3ball.

[3ball]

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/eb616ae565e4b734c8fc90a11db14f90.gif


I'm sure u have better examples 3ball.



This kind quote above makes it seem like you think i'm making all this stuff up or something - on literally 100 possessions per game in previous eras (about 2/3 of the time), all 5 defenders occupied the strongside because there were no weakside floor-spreaders to draw them away.

So this is not something I have to look for, or seek out - anyone can literally watch any old game and the first possession they see will have all 5 defenders on the strongside.

Defenders will always remain on the strongside when there aren't weakside floor-spreaders to draw them away - today's game has those weakside floor-spreaders, while previous eras didn't and were left with strongsides that remained perpetually flooded with all 5 defenders.

A flood's only purpose is to send weakside defenders back over to the strongside, after previously being drawn away by weakside floor-spreaders.
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[ISHGoat]

3ball, you are the stupidest mother ****er on this board. you keep posting endlessly about essentially the same thing: more spacing in todays game makes it easier to score

guess what? if there is less help defense today, it makes on-ball scoring easier, but it makes it harder to score off the ball, because the defenders are more attached to the perimeter players. they didnt expand the size of the court dumbfuk. in the end, it balances out. you can either overhelp and make the ball handler give it up to a teammate, or you can underhelp and force the guy with the ball to finish by himself while cutting off passing lanes.

in the end, the system balances itself out

can you imagine how many assists lebron would rack up if the game he played today was like those gifs? literally every single time lebron got into the paint, hed dish it to the open big man under the basket or an open 3pt shooter.

[3ball]

literally every single time lebron got into the paint, hed dish it to the open big man under the basket or an open 3pt shooter.


what the **** are you talking about?

what 3-point shooters?

this is the type of stupidity i'm talking about... so let's get this straight - in 1985, when teams took an average of 2 three-pointers per game, Lebron is going to kick it out to shooters?

HE WOULDN'T HAVE ANYONE spreading the floor him - he'd face no spacing just like everyone else.

He'd face defenses that didn't guard the 3-point line and packed the paint - but that's just part of it - the lack of 3-point shooting would mean he wouldn't have WEAKSIDE FLOOR-SPREADERS - so he'd face strongsides that had all 5 defenders, instead of today's strongsides that only have 1 or defenders, and require strongside floods to bring more defenders to the strongside.
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[ISHGoat]

what the **** are you talking about?

what 3-point shooters?

this is the type of stupidity i'm talking about... so let's get this straight - in 1985, when teams took an average of 2 three-pointers per game, Lebron is going to kick it out to shooters?

HE WOULDN'T HAVE ANYONE spreading the floor him - he'd face no spacing just like everyone else.

He'd face defenses that didn't guard the 3-point line and packed the paint - but that's just part of it - the lack of 3-point shooting would mean he wouldn't have WEAKSIDE FLOOR-SPREADERS - so he'd face strongsides that had all 5 defenders, instead of today's strongsides that only have 1 defender.

they didnt have anyone spreading the floor because back then nobody realized the importance of spacing, hence weak era

its like the 60s when they didnt realize the importance of dribbling/finishing with your off hand, weak af era

[3ball]

they didnt have anyone spreading the floor because back then nobody realized the importance of spacing, hence weak era


You're missing the point - the fact that coaches were super-dumb and didn't spread the floor, means it was harder for any offensive player at that time because they didn't get to play with spacing - like, if Coach Blatt decided to coach Game 2 by not letting his team shoot 3-pointers or space the floor, his team would struggle mightily on offense.

This is what previous era coaches did to their players - they omitted 3-pointers and spacing from the gameplan... The lack of spacing and coaches' inability to get players open shots is why previous era players needed superior 1-on-1 ability to score ON defenders... Meanwhile, today's SG thru C positions enjoy spacing, easy drive-and-kicks, and the resulting 3-and-D, bird-fed, high efficiency style of play.. While point guards enjoy wider driving lanes for easier play creation and defenders that must play hands-off.
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[ISHGoat]

You're missing the point - the fact that coaches were super-dumb and didn't spread the floor, means it was harder for any offensive player at that time because they didn't get to play with spacing - like, if Coach Blatt decided to coach Game 2 by not letting his team shoot 3-pointers or space the floor, his team would struggle mightily on offense.

This is what previous era coaches did to their players - they omitted 3-pointers and spacing from the gameplan... The lack of spacing and coaches' inability to get players open shots is why previous era players needed superior 1-on-1 ability to score ON defenders... Meanwhile, today's SG thru C positions enjoy spacing, easy drive-and-kicks, and the resulting 3-and-D, bird-fed, high efficiency style of play.. While point guards enjoy wider driving lanes for easier play creation and defenders that must play hands-off.
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no YOURE missing the point. the fact that coaches were super dumb and etc means it was a vastly different game back then. it is just as meaningless to hypothesize how players today would do in the 80s as it is for any ex-great in any other era. if it is reasonable to assume that wilt would respond well to today's fitness regimens and athlete development and dominate, why is it unreasonable to assume lebron would change his game to a type that would dominate the past eras?

unless you have a time machine or 5 super computers to simulate, your long posts are nothing but pure conjecture and your personal opinion.