Our Era was the best

[HOoopCityJones]

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Late 90's & 00's gang stand up. :bowdown:

[dh144498]

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Late 90's & 00's gang stand up. :bowdown:

dam look at how much slimmer Shaq was.

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[HOoopCityJones]

dam look at how much slimmer Shaq was.

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Even KG look skinny as fucc. :roll:

[Lebron23]

Lebron 12/15 aka 12-3 vs. Kobe Bryant in their head to head match up.

[HOoopCityJones]

Lebron 12/15 aka 12-3 vs. Kobe Bryant in their head to head match up.

How about dem Spurs doe?

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[KirbyPls]

How about dem Spurs doe?

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Miami won the series shown by your .gif....

[Lebron23]

Miami won the series shown by your .gif....


This

[HOoopCityJones]

Miami won the series shown by your .gif....

How about them head to head match ups you were talking about on your alt tho? :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

This

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You're fuccing way too obvious bro, GTFO and stop derailing my thread with your petty Bron worship.

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Can't hear you over how much better our Era was than yours. :confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

And this bisexual was the best player of that era.

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[HOoopCityJones]

And this bisexual was the best player of that era.

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[Spurs5Rings2014]

And this GOAT was the best player of that era.

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[KirbyPls]

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Yep. Duncan > Bron > Kobe.

[Showtime80']

Yep! The era that forced the NBA to change a bunch of rules thus creating the unrecognizable soft fest you see today! Screw the hip hop era!

[HOoopCityJones]

Yep. Duncan > Bron > Kobe.


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Shaq> All of them


:rockon:

Lebron doesn't even belong in that group. It's a 4 ring minimum to hang wit us homie.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

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Shaq> All of them


:rockon:

1 less ring playing with 2nd & 3rd GOAT SG's.

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[Droid101]

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Mother****ing boss.

[Mass Debator]

Hell yeah! The end of MJ. Reggie's last chance at a ring. Heat/Knicks rival. Lakers vs team-ball Spurs, Sac, and Portland. The introduction to Hack-a-Shaq. The emergence of all the wings in Kobe, AI, T-Mac, Vince, Ray, and Pierce. Best PF battle between Duncan, KG, and Dirk. Pause...And then the top heavy 2003 draft. Nash's exciting Suns to almost Bad Boy Pistons 2.0. Then Wade appearing out of no where to Celtics teaming up. Lakers on the verge of 3-peating...I stop the era right here.

Now it's the Lebron era coming to an end. Durant, Curry, and Harden era beginning. Then maybe in 5-6 years, AD and Wiggins will be going at it. Not sure if I'm feeling this era...not yet.

[HOoopCityJones]

1 less ring playing with 2nd & 3rd GOAT SG's.

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If only he could've had the second best PG and 3rd best SG of the era his entire career. :facepalm

[KembaWalker]

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you're welcome

[HOoopCityJones]

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you're welcome

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[Spurs5Rings2014]

If only he could've had the second best PG and 3rd best SG of the era his entire career. :facepalm

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[HOoopCityJones]

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Squirt fans still tryna act like Manu and Tony weren't crucial to Timmy's success, ungrateful fuccs. You're worse than the idiots who say Shaq carried Kobe. At least the haters acknowledge him, you assholes try to act like these guys don't exist.

But , I'm staying with the good vibes.

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[Mass Debator]

If only he could've had the second best PG and 3rd best SG of the era his entire career. :facepalm
I'll give Parker #3 at the highest and I have Manu at #4. Still a great group of guys with an all-time great defender in Bowen early on.

[HOoopCityJones]

I'll give Parker #3 at the highest and I have Manu at #4. Still a great group of guys with an all-time great defender in Bowen early on.

Consistency and longevity factored in? I think my ranking of them is more accurate than people will care to admit.

[PickernRoller]

Squirt fans still tryna act like Manu and Tony weren't crucial to Timmy's success, ungrateful fuccs. You're worse than the idiots who say Shaq carried Kobe. At least the haters acknowledge him, you assholes try to act like these guys don't exist.

But , I'm staying with the good vibes.

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Duncan fans that don't acknowledge Manu and Parker, specially Parker, FMVP himself, and center of the team for most of the late 00's are really deluding themselves. I wouldn't call Manu the third best SG of his era but his longevity made him surpass many SG's of his era. While on paper some were better than him, many lacked the longevity that Manu was afforded. He's definitely Top 4-8. I mean you have Kobe, Wade, McGrady (hobbled),....... arguably (Vince, Ray Allen)...not much else.

Parker is definitely Top 3 PG's of the 2000's tho... Nash, Kidd, Parker. Arguably depending on how you see the era's, Chris Paul, Iverson, maybe Billups...

[HOoopCityJones]

Duncan fans that don't acknowledge Manu and Parker, specially Parker, FMVP himself, and center of the team for most of the late 00's are really deluding themselves.


Exactly. Parker's been leading this Team deep into the Playoffs since 07 and these delusional ass Duncan stans wanna pretend it's always been Timmy.

When this year alone showed while Kawhi and Parker were out hobbled, The Spurs looked like mere mortals. Duncan wasn't leading them anywhere.

He's been a role player since 08.

[HOoopCityJones]

I wouldn't call Manu the third best SG of his era but his longevity made him surpass many SG's of his era that while on paper were better than him, lacked the longevity that Manu was afforded. He's definitely Top 4-8.


That's exactly what I mean though, if you take the full body of work into consideration, clutch playoff play etc. I don't see how you put any SG before Manu after Kobe and Wade in this era. He may have come off the bench , but Manu coulda been the man on any other Team in the league. It's all my opinion tho.

Nothing like MJ is Goat concrete.

[ArbitraryWater]

Late 90's and early 00's was horrible.... low scoring games, bunch of wannabe Jordans, USA sucking it up internationally, free finals for every West team... then the league opened up scoring, better defenses after teams adjusted circa 08, and now we're here, West in a GOAT conference.

[Droid101]

Late 90's and early 00's was horrible.... low scoring games, bunch of wannabe Jordans, USA sucking it up internationally, free finals for every West team... then the league opened up scoring, better defenses after teams adjusted circa 08, and now we're here, West in a GOAT conference.
This is just lazy, lazy trolling.

I'm disappointed in you.

[dh144498]

Late 90's and early 00's was horrible.... low scoring games, bunch of wannabe Jordans, USA sucking it up internationally, free finals for every West team... then the league opened up scoring, better defenses after teams adjusted circa 08, and now we're here, West in a GOAT conference.

is that a joke?
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:lol

[Mass Debator]

Consistency and longevity factored in? I think my ranking of them is more accurate than people will care to admit.
Nash and Kidd are for sure above Parker. Not sure if you put CP3 in that era because he's like in the middle so I left him off.

Kobe, Wade, and T-Mac are ahead of Manu. You can argue about longevity with T-Mac but he had 7 great prime years in a row averaging 27/7/5. You can even put Ray Allen in the conversation.

It's still lucky of Duncan having those great players year in and year out.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Squirt fans still tryna act like Manu and Tony weren't crucial to Timmy's success, ungrateful fuccs. You're worse than the idiots who say Shaq carried Kobe. At least the haters acknowledge him, you assholes try to act like these guys don't exist.

But , I'm staying with the good vibes.

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We acknowledge them, but you're here saying they were top 2/3 at their position in the league, which is :biggums:

Also, I'm more typing about during the Shaq-Kobe Lakers. You're saying Shaq is this god when Duncan won 2 titles against him and another top 10 player of all time with no/rookie/2nd year garbage Parker and Manu, which weren't even top 20 players in the league at the time. Give Duncan a top 10 GOAT level SG (Jordan is the only one other than Kobe) at his peak and he wins a lot more. Hell, he already won more/the same with much less talent.

[HOoopCityJones]

We acknowledge them, but you're here saying they were top 2/3 at their position in the league, which is :biggums:

Also, I'm more typing about during the Shaq-Kobe Lakers. You're saying Shaq is this god when Duncan won 2 titles against him and another top 10 player of all time with no/rookie/2nd year garbage Parker and Manu, which weren't even top 20 players in the league at the time. Give Duncan a top 10 GOAT level SG (Jordan is the only one other than Kobe) at his peak and he wins a lot more. Hell, he already won more/the same with much less talent.

Aside from the obvious you're refusing to acknowledge the series where they both clearly out played Duncan. No one is talking about just the early 00's except you. Look at their entire body of work.


And yes imo, Jason Kidd is the best PG of the 00's despite not winning anything, idk if i'd put Nash above Parker though. After 07 they were closer than ever.

Still , you act like I said they were the best, Parker at # 2 and Manu # 3 is at least respectable everything considered.

Parker is better than Cp3 to me, I don't give fucc what analytics say.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Did I seriously read that Tony Parker was the 2nd best PG of the 1990s/2000s era? Nash/Kidd >>>>>>>>> Parker.

[HOoopCityJones]

is that a joke?
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He's dead serious I'm afraid.

AW clearly started watching Basketball when Bron went to Miami. I keep telling people this, he's completely ignorant to how things were before.

[HOoopCityJones]

Did I seriously read that Tony Parker was the 2nd best PG of the 1990s/2000s era? Nash/Kidd >>>>>>>>> Parker.

Jason Kidd is number one, don't worry. :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

anybody impressed with the Jason Kidd / Kenyon Martin Nets?
Iverson / McKie Sixers?

Must have been the Reggie Miller Pacers.. what a deadly gauntlet :bowdown:

[HOoopCityJones]

anybody impressed with the Jason Kidd / Kenyon Martin Nets?
Iverson / McKie Sixers?

Must have been the Reggie Miller Pacers.. what a deadly gauntlet :bowdown:

Real Basketball was being played out west buddy, everyone knew Lakers vs Spurs was the real Finals, with maybe one great Team out East. (Philly, Nets, Detriot etc.)

Just how it's always been. :lol

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Jason Kidd is number one, don't worry. :confusedshrug:

Kidd and Nash are at least one tier above Parker as players. Parker has the rings but he was never as great as an individual player as Nash or Kidd.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Definitely one of the best. Spurs/Kings/Lakers/Blazers all being powerhouses along with defenses being at their most efficient.

The East today is the worst conference of all-time (tied with 2013), but the West makes up for that, so we can say up there with the worst instead. Tomato; tamato.

[dh144498]

anybody impressed with the Jason Kidd / Kenyon Martin Nets?
Iverson / McKie Sixers?

Must have been the Reggie Miller Pacers.. what a deadly gauntlet :bowdown:

my bad, i misunderstood. Thought you mean free trip to the finals in the West.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kidd and Nash are at least one tier above Parker as players. Parker has the rings but he was never as great as an individual player as Nash or Kidd.

Agree , they were at one point, but full body of work?

It's like at one point , most people thought Iverson or Tmac was better than Kobe.

But from this vantage point no one would say that Today. Tmac and Kobe were probably the closest, but what would you say is the separation? Post season play or just stats, longevity or all of the above?

I'm just taking everything into consideration. That's all.

[k0kakw0rld]

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Shaq> All of them


:rockon:

Lebron doesn't even belong in that group. It's a 4 ring minimum to hang wit us homie.
4 >>>>>>> 2 > 1 = 1

Getting a Ring is a team accomplishment.

MVP is an individual Award :confusedshrug:

[dh144498]

4 >>>>>>> 2 > 1 = 1

Getting a Ring is a team accomplishment.

MVP is an individual Award :confusedshrug:

MVP is dependent on the team record as well.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Agree , they were at one point, but full body of work?

It's like at one point , most people thought Iverson or Tmac was better than Kobe.

But from this vantage point no one would say that Today. Tmac and Kobe were probably the closest, but what would you say is the separation? Post season play or just stats, longevity or all of the above?

I'm just taking everything into consideration. That's all.

Yeah I guess that's a fair perspective. Not one that I follow but to each his own. :cheers:

I think it's a different situation with the PGs than with the SGs though. Peak Kobe was a monster as an individual player; he has the play and the accolades, and the latter of which is something T-Mac and AI lack. Peak Parker was never close to Nash/Kidd imo, all he has is the accolades (largely team accolades too, apart from the FMVP).

[PickernRoller]

MVP is dependent on the team record as well.

heh... the only reason Kobe didn't get jack shit in 06-07. Back in the Shaq days they discounted Shaq for playing with Kobe. Then Kobe had to deal with the team-record BS. Media's most valuable (appeal) player award - that's what the title is.

[HOoopCityJones]

heh... the only reason Kobe didn't get jack shit in 06-07. Back in the Shaq days they discounted Shaq for playing with Kobe. Then Kobe had to deal with the team-record BS. Media's most valuable (appeal) player award - that's what the title is.


No coincidence Nash got it two straight times after The Malace happened. Stern was trying to make sure he didn't lose his white audience by turning Nash into the great white hope.

[necya]

Yep! The era that forced the NBA to change a bunch of rules thus creating the unrecognizable soft fest you see today! Screw the hip hop era!
only one worthy comment

[Wade's Rings]

heh... the only reason Kobe didn't get jack shit in 06-07. Back in the Shaq days they discounted Shaq for playing with Kobe. Then Kobe had to deal with the team-record BS. Media's most valuable (appeal) player award - that's what the title is.

Same reason why Wade didn't win it in 2009.

[Rooster]

We acknowledge them, but you're here saying they were top 2/3 at their position in the league, which is :biggums:

Also, I'm more typing about during the Shaq-Kobe Lakers. You're saying Shaq is this god when Duncan won 2 titles against him and another top 10 player of all time with no/rookie/2nd year garbage Parker and Manu, which weren't even top 20 players in the league at the time. Give Duncan a top 10 GOAT level SG (Jordan is the only one other than Kobe) at his peak and he wins a lot more. Hell, he already won more/the same with much less talent.

If Shaq got the same calls like Duncan, he would have fouled every opposing team. NBA had to bend all the rules because of Shaq.

[Straight_Ballin]

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Late 90's & 00's gang stand up. :bowdown:

How the fvck is the late 90's the best era when it didn't even consist of a 6/6 perfect finals record? Gtfo silly gen Y kid.....

[Alamо]

If only he could've had the second best PG and 3rd best SG of the era his entire career. :facepalm


This is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on insidehoops.

[AlphaWolf24]

80's Basketball = Empire Strikes Back

90's Basketball = Return of the Jedi

2000's Basketball = A New Hope


generally speaking...most people would agree the 80's era was the best of the three.

[HOoopCityJones]

This is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read on insidehoops.

Probably because you fuccing stans underrate Tony and Manu just to prop up Tim.

It's just my opinion though don't get your panties up your ass.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Duncan vampires, assemble!

[Alamо]

Probably because you fuccing stans underrate Tony and Manu just to prop up Tim.

It's just my opinion though don't get your panties up your ass.



Nope, Manu is actually my favorite basketball player of all time. Your post was just very idiotic.

[T_L_P]

Exactly. Parker's been leading this Team deep into the Playoffs since 07 and these delusional ass Duncan stans wanna pretend it's always been Timmy.

When this year alone showed while Kawhi and Parker were out hobbled, The Spurs looked like mere mortals. Duncan wasn't leading them anywhere.

He's been a role player since 08.

I honestly can't believe you fell for kenneth's trolling.

Duncan's been a role player since 08? From 08-10, he averaged 19/11/3/2 over the course of 231 games. How on Earth are those role player numbers? And that doesn't even account for the GOAT-tier intangibles and defense.

Even 2012 and 2013. 17/10/3/2 in just under 30 minutes per game.

And how about the last four Playoff runs (2012-15)? 65 games, 17/10/3/2. I don't think you quite understand what a role player is. :facepalm

Parker wasn't leading the Spurs to shit. From 08-10, 19/2/6 (vs Duncan's 19/11/3). PER, Duncan kills Parker. Net Rating, Duncan kills Parker. WS, WS/48, Duncan kills Parker (32.1 Win Shares for Duncan, 19.2 for Parker).

If you are honestly telling me you'd take 08-15 Parker over 08-15 Duncan (when the only year that Parker was better than Duncan was in 2013, and that's just by a hair), I don't really know what to say.

Oh, and your point about the Spurs looking mediocre without Parker and Kawhi? That was almost entirely on Kawhi. Without him the Spurs have been a .500 team.

Wanna know how the Spurs performed without their MVP in 2013, at the peak of his powers? 12 wins, 4 losses (a 61 win pace).

Shit, the Spurs literally just took a team that won more games to 7 even though Parker was completely hurting the team. When Tim was merely mediocre (2011 Playoffs), the Spurs lost in 6 to a team that won 15 less games.

That's the difference in their impact.

That said, Manu was our best player from 09-11 and the fact that think it's Parker tells me you weren't watching then. Shit, you're the same poster who said the 03 Spurs outside of Duncan were better than the 2010 Lakers outside of Kobe. :oldlol:

[T_L_P]

And I want to pose a question:

How come Duncan and Manu (and other stars of the era), rank well in both raw stats and advanced ones yet Parker doesn't?

Playoff Box +/-:

Duncan - 6.0
Manu - 5.5
Parker - 0.0 :oldlol:

Playoff WS/48:

Duncan - .197
Manu - .169
Parker - .085

Playoff ORtg:

Duncan - 110
Manu - 110
Parker - 103

Career RAPM (stat goes back to 1997):

Duncan - 5.09(2nd best in the entire NBA over that period of time)
Manu - 5.07 (4th best in the entire NBA over that period of time, like I've been saying Manu is a superstar)
Parker - 2.15 (68th)

Does anyone have an answer to this? Duncan, Manu, Shaq, Pau, Kobe, T-Mac, LeBron and the like all rank well in some combination of these stats. Parker doesn't look very good in any of them. Yet you have Laker fans in this thread talking about him being the 2nd best Point Guard of the past 20-odd years? Laughable. Chauncey Billups was a much more effective player than Tony Parker was.

[Prime_Shaq]

And this bisexual was the best player of that era.

https://champions99.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/introduction-tim-duncan1.jpg
U mad he destroyed your boy in 2 finals? :lol

[warriorfan]

And this bisexual was the best player of that era.

https://champions99.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/introduction-tim-duncan1.jpg



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