I just realized that MJ and Kobe never went chasing for rings

[imnew09]

Rings came to them. Unlike others who take his talents to south beach or some


Goat gon Goat. Respect for these two

[Taller than CP3]

:roll: :roll:

[kamil]

In other news..... water is wet.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe sure tried

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded

[Velocirap31]

Great organizations make great trades/signings. Milwaukee Kobe would have had a very different career.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe sure tried

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded

how is asking for a trade to the 2006 clippers or bulls ring chasing? they both sucked balls

and even when the lakers had a deal in place to send him to an actual good team in detroit he blocked the trade

that aint ring chasing bud. if kobes list of teams to be dealt to included sanantonio... then maybe

[pauk]

lol... if they were in Lebrons situation they for 7 straight prime years they would have left long time ago, Kobe infact was in that situation for just some year (having a bad supporting cast) and demanded a trade immediately if the franchise didnt send some help.... as you can see on the above post...

[bobeticus]

Rings came to them. Unlike others who take his talents to south beach or some


Goat gon Goat. Respect for these two


First off... Kobe Drafted by Charlotte and never want to play there...

threatens Charlotte FO... and he played in LA alongside Shaq.... :no:

[kennethgriffin]

Great organizations make great trades/signings. Milwaukee Kobe would have had a very different career.

so the cavs didnt get shaq the first time around? didnt he average 18/10 a year before?


and the cavs didnt trade for kevin love last off season?


how were these trades/signings possible in such a bad market


http://www.bilaterals.org/IMG/jpg/-83.jpg

[warriorfan]

Ring chasing is for Baby Dick Betas



Big Dick Alphas don't need to run for help like bitches

[Patrick Chewing]

Welcome to 2010.

[pauk]

how is asking for a trade to the 2006 clippers or bulls ring chasing? they both sucked balls

and even when the lakers had a deal in place to send him to an actual good team in detroit he blocked the trade

that aint ring chasing bud. if kobes list of teams to be dealt to included sanantonio... then maybe

and Miami Heat Wade team who missed the playoffs or got tossed in the 1st round since 2006 (in the weaker EAST) were better?

[kennethgriffin]

First off... Kobe Drafted by Charlotte and never want to play there...

threatens Charlotte FO... and he played in LA alongside Shaq.... :no:

Kobe Bryant




July 11, 1996: Traded by the Charlotte Hornets to the Los Angeles Lakers for Vlade Divac.




Shaquille O'neal





July 18, 1996: Signed as a free agent with the Los Angeles Lakers.





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[Straight_Ballin]

Rings came to them. Unlike others who take his talents to south beach or some


Goat gon Goat. Respect for these two

Only a colluding beta is going to try to team up with the 3rd/4th best player in the league or run to a team that has the first pick of the draft 3 years in a row. Can't respect that for damn sure, yet Bron is all these gen Z's have so that's all they know and colluding beta bitchood is all they can relate to. It's pathetic and sad lives that they lead when their hero is a joke in the minds of people that actually understand basketball....

[red1]

Lol. Lebron can go to the finals and lose ever year ending up with a 2/10 record and yet he will always be better than kobe.

[kennethgriffin]

and Miami Heat Wade team who missed the playoffs or got tossed in the 1st round since 2006 (in the weaker EAST) were better?


i could be mistaken... but i believe lebron ring chased by joining a formidable newly formed Duo of Prime Dwyane Wade coming off a 27/6/5 season...... and Prime Chris Bosh coming off a 24/11/2 season.........


when you join a combo like that... its ring chasing. this wasnt 2015 blood clot bosh and foot out the nba door wade

:lol

[Straight_Ballin]

Lol. Lebron can go to the finals and lose ever year ending up with a 2/10 record and yet he will always be better than kobe.

Who cares. :confusedshrug:

Dude is a chump for colluding and chasing rings.

[red1]

Who cares. :confusedshrug:

Dude is a chump for colluding and chasing rings.
Ok. You can tell yourself that every night when you sleep. :pimp:

[kennethgriffin]

Lol. Lebron can go to the finals and lose ever year ending up with a 2/10 record and yet he will always be better than kobe.


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[k0kakw0rld]

Rings came to them. Unlike others who take his talents to south beach or some


Goat gon Goat. Respect for these two
Kobe or MJ would've never been able to lead this Cavs team to anything.

[Straight_Ballin]

Ok. You can tell yourself that every night when you sleep. :pimp:

I'm sleeping soundly. My generation's player already proved to be GOAT. He might be a has been but enjoy your 2nd rate NBA fanhood as you rep a never was. :no:

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe or MJ will never be able to lead this Cavs team to anything.


i'd have to admit... both kobe and jordan will never be able to lead this cavs team to anything..


cant argue with that

[red1]

I'm sleeping soundly. My generation's player already proved to be GOAT. He might be a has been but enjoy your 2nd rate NBA fanhood cheering on a never was. :no:
ok

[k0kakw0rld]

i'd have to admit... both kobe and jordan will never be able to lead this cavs team to anything..


cant argue with that
Thank you sir, even if you bring back 90's MJ in today's NBA :cheers:

[KingsFan416]

Kobe sure tried

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded
Tried? Bulls haven't won a Championship since '98. You call that ring chasing?

[KingsFan416]

Lol. Lebron can go to the finals and lose ever year ending up with a 2/10 record and yet he will always be better than kobe.
If that happens, that doesn't make him better than Kobe. It doesn't even make him even better than Shaq or Hakeem.

[Straight_Ballin]

ok

Honestly you need to be proud that Toronto produced Vince Carter who still to this day has the greatest dunk in the history of the game. Stop worrying about colluders like Bron. Dude is done.

[Straight_Ballin]

If that happens, that doesn't make him better than Kobe. It doesn't even make him even better than Shaq or Hakeem.

Skill wise he is already a better player. The eye test doesn't lie, he just does more things better than kobe ever did. Dude might be a colluding ring chasing beta, but he does have a superior skill set to Kobe and is a better basketball player. Jordan is above them both, and by a large margin. You replace Kobe with Bron in the finals and you either get 5/7 or 6/7.

You replace Kobe with Jordan and you get 7/7 and it's not even debatable.

[IllegalD]

Lol. Lebron can go to the finals and lose ever year ending up with a 2/10 record and yet he will always be better than kobe.

And the Toronto Raptors can win 10 championships in a row yet your loser ass will still post more about Kobe than your own team.

#rentfree :applause:

[Smoke117]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

MJ and Bean don't have asterisk rings like LeBron, so you can legitimately argue both in the Top 10 (Jordan as GOAT). The "ring chaser" as many call LeBron, well, he's a fringe Top 10-15 player. Another Jerry West if you will, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[kennethgriffin]

2 for 6 is great




jerry west is 13th all time or so

elgin baylor is 15th all time or so



nothing wrong with that



you dont have to be kobe or jordan. just be lebron. thats all you can do is be yourself


:cheers:

[SpaceJammeR]

Lol why would Kobe ring chase when he started with the Lakers and a goat Shaq? When things went south he wanted out. Some of you idiots are just stupid.

[KingsFan416]

Skill wise he is already a better player. The eye test doesn't lie, he just does more things better than kobe ever did. Dude might be a colluding ring chasing beta, but he does have a superior skill set to Kobe and is a better basketball player. Jordan is above them both, and by a large margin. You replace Kobe with Bron in the finals and you either get 5/7 or 6/7.

You replace Kobe with Jordan and you get 7/7 and it's not even debatable.
Skill wise? LeBron doesn't even have the foot work, moves or handles like Kobe. LeBron just uses athleticism and force. On offensive side, talking about getting their points and passing, Kobe had one of the best mid range game and one of the best in the post. LeBron mostly gets his points in the paint. Forcing his way to the basket. He's 6'8 250 lbs and is a little quick. Nobody other wing player is the same as that. His jumper improved a little bit. Kobe was playing in a half court offense. The Triangle. 4-5 APG ain't bad for a guy that has teammates who aren't shooters. The role players on those Championship Laker teams couldn't really shoot. LeBron always had shooters on his teams and doesn't really run a half court offense like Jordan and Kobe did so you'll see LeBron be ball dominant a lot and average a lot more assists and them.

[KingsFan416]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3446/kobe-bryant-says-he-d-like-to-be-traded
Bulls and ring chasing doesn't add up, man.

[k0kakw0rld]

MJ and Bean don't have asterisk rings like LeBron, so you can legitimately argue both in the Top 10 (Jordan as GOAT). The "ring chaser" as many call LeBron, well, he's a fringe Top 10-15 player. Another Jerry West if you will, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Rent Free

[red1]

And the Toronto Raptors can win 10 championships in a row yet your loser ass will still post more about Kobe than your own team.

#rentfree :applause:
that's not true at all

[Straight_Ballin]

Skill wise? LeBron doesn't even have the foot work, moves or handles like Kobe. LeBron just uses athleticism and force. On offensive side, talking about getting their points and passing, Kobe had one of the best mid range game and one of the best in the post. LeBron mostly gets his points in the paint. Forcing his way to the basket. He's 6'8 250 lbs and is a little quick. Nobody other wing player is the same as that. His jumper improved a little bit. Kobe was playing in a half court offense. The Triangle. 4-5 APG ain't bad for a guy that has teammates who aren't shooters. The role players on those Championship Laker teams couldn't really shoot. LeBron always had shooters on his teams and doesn't really run a half court offense like Jordan and Kobe did so you'll see LeBron be ball dominant a lot and average a lot more assists and them.

This has already been discussed at length and taking everything into account, Bron simply was the better basketball player than Kobe. Eye test don't lie.

[34-24 Footwork]

This has already been discussed at length and taking everything into account, Bron simply was the better basketball player than Kobe. Eye test don't lie.

Lol. This topic is never discussed at length.

[Straight_Ballin]

Lol. This topic is never discussed at length.

Mar 2015. You haven't been here long enough. Maybe not recently, but it's been discussed already at great length.

[34-24 Footwork]

Mar 2015. You haven't been here long enough. Maybe not recently, but it's been discussed already at great length.

Depends on your definition of EVERYTHING.

Conference disparity?
Competition?
Era?
Position/playing style?
Rule changes??

Don't see much nuanced based conversations on here, homie?

[Hey Yo]

i could be mistaken... but i believe lebron ring chased by joining a formidable newly formed Duo of Prime Dwyane Wade coming off a 27/6/5 season...... and Prime Chris Bosh coming off a 24/11/2 season.........


when you join a combo like that... its ring chasing. this wasnt 2015 blood clot bosh and foot out the nba door wade

:lol
Not ring chasing when you lead your team in MP, points, TRB, assists and steals 3 out of the 4 postseasons there. Plus 2 FMVP's

[imnew09]

Not ring chasing when you lead your team in MP, points, TRB, assists and steals 3 out of the 4 postseasons there. Plus 2 FMVP's


Yea that's why he took his talents to south beach to team up with injured free Wade, Bosh . 3 Superstars on a team :facepalm

[Nuff Said]

Why did it take you so long to realize this?

[3ball]

some misinformation itt..

[3ball]

Lebron's Isolations in Game 2




Due to spacing, he only faced 1 defender on strongside - weakside floor-spreaders lured the rest away:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/60edafbed8d187680e60fbc7ad5e81de.gif

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/5f6d4329b3bcca4b79bf694fe56dfe1e.gif



Same as Game 1.. Only 1 defender on strongside:


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In GIF below from Game 2, spacing & defensive 3 seconds keeps weakside defenders out of paint, so Lebron gets wide open layup - but in previous eras, there was no spacing and paint-camping was legal, so there would've been SEVERAL defenders waiting in paint:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/4905e3abfe54fefbacda35389f5a7579.gif




Today's spacing provides more space & time on isos than before:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/25bde9c0143a7aedc6ab86aceb16500f.gif

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It's clear as day - today's spacing and existence of weakside floor-spreaders lures defenders away from the strongside and enables players to face LESS defenders on the strongside than previous eras.

In addition to the porous strongside defense caused by weakside floor-spreaders, the spacing provides more time and room for players to operate.. It also combines with the bans on paint-camping and hand-checking to "open up the game" for perimeter players, as the league intended (http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/04/09/stujackson/index.html).

[ImKobe]

This has already been discussed at length and taking everything into account, Bron simply was the better basketball player than Kobe. Eye test don't lie.

Let's compare 30 yr old Lebron to 30 yr old Kobe

RS:

Bran: 25/6/7 3.9 TO 58%TS 25.9 PER .199 WS/48 53 - 29 record, 69 games played

KB: 27/5/5 2.6 TO 56%TS 24.4 PER .206 WS/48 65-17 record, 82 games played

POs:

Bran: 27/10/8 4.5 TO 50%TS 23.8 PER .166 WS/48
KB: 30/5/6 2.6 TO 56%TS 26.8 PER .238 WS/48

[comerb]

I must have missed the part where Kobe won rings in Charlotte.

[sd3035]

Lebaldo is already declining rapidly and he was never as good as the all time greats like Kobe and MJ

He was a good player whose hype generated interest in basketball during a slow time. As a fan I appreciate the role he played :cheers:

[Relinquish]

Instead, Kobe refused to be drafted unless it was by the best franchise of all time. Ultimate beta.

[34-24 Footwork]

Instead, Kobe refused to be drafted unless it was by the best franchise of all time. Ultimate beta.

That a boy. Don't let facts get in the way:applause: :applause:

[kamil]

I'm sleeping soundly. My generation's player already proved to be GOAT. He might be a has been but enjoy your 2nd rate NBA fanhood as you rep a never was. :no:

Dude, lay off of Red1. The guy has aspergers.

[imnew09]

Instead, Kobe refused to be drafted unless it was by the best franchise of all time. Ultimate beta.


Alpha af. Never shy away from the pressure since he entered the league :bowdown: Unlike others who defer to two other stars when there's pressure

[Hey Yo]

Alpha af. Never shy away from the pressure since he entered the league :bowdown: Unlike others who defer to two other stars when there's pressure
He shied away from pressure before the draft by telling the 30-52 NJ Nets not to draft him 8th overall cause he wouldn't sign with them. Kobe could have started right away for NJ but chose to ride the pine for 2yrs while handing out towels and gatorade during timeouts for LA.

[PickernRoller]

Let's compare 30 yr old Lebron to 30 yr old Kobe

RS:

Bran: 25/6/7 3.9 TO 58%TS 25.9 PER .199 WS/48 53 - 29 record, 69 games played

KB: 27/5/5 2.6 TO 56%TS 24.4 PER .206 WS/48 65-17 record, 82 games played

POs:

Bran: 27/10/8 4.5 TO 50%TS 23.8 PER .166 WS/48
KB: 30/5/6 2.6 TO 56%TS 26.8 PER .238 WS/48

LeTards getting juiced....

[Megabox!]

Lebaldo is already declining rapidly and he was never as good as the all time greats like Kobe and MJ

He was a good player whose hype generated interest in basketball during a slow time. As a fan I appreciate the role he played :cheers:
Every time you post a baby literally dies, you are indeed THAT stupid :facepalm

[Lebron23]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4c4znjNmt1qd42iyo1_500.jpg

[DavisWarriorsFan]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4c4znjNmt1qd42iyo1_500.jpg
Could've been one of the greatest Laker teams of all time if Shaq didn't get Van Exel and Jones traded away. He hated them both.

[Wade's Rings]

Could've been one of the greatest Laker teams of all time if Shaq didn't get Van Exel and Jones traded away. He hated them both.

Is Shaq why Jones got traded away after the 2005 Season?

[DavisWarriorsFan]

Is Shaq why Jones got traded away after the 2005 Season?
Yep.

[Wade's Rings]

Yep.

He split up a great squad. They were better than the 2006 Heat IMO.