Wilt after 63 FGA, 33 FTA

[Marchesk]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Wilt_Chamberlain_100-point.jpg

Lebron after 37/10:

http://i.imgur.com/vf0BLBh.jpg

[aj1987]

Did he score the 100 in the PO's or did he go 4-13 in a 2pt G7 Finals loss?

[ShawkFactory]

Feel the need to compare Bron to wilt? Dude must be good

[Marchesk]

Feel the need to compare Bron to wilt? Dude must be good

Lebron is top 7, right? He's the modern day super athletic iron man. 37/18/13 on 37 shots is doing a lot. Props to him. But Wilt had 50/25/7-10 block season on 40 FGA with no rest, ever.

Lebron is all-time great. Everyone knows that. He's going to be somewhere in the top 5 when he retires.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Lebron is top 7, right? He's the modern day super athletic iron man. 37/18/13 on 37 shots is doing a lot. Props to him. But Wilt had 50/25/7-10 block season on 40 FGA with no rest, ever.

Lebron is all-time great. Everyone knows that. He's going to be somewhere in the top 5 when he retires.

this is about right

really sheds light on how much of a monster wilt was (although his production did drop in playoffs quite a bit, like lebron)

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron is top 7, right? He's the modern day super athletic iron man. 37/18/13 on 37 shots is doing a lot. Props to him. But Wilt had 50/25/7-10 block season on 40 FGA with no rest, ever.

Lebron is all-time great. Everyone knows that. He's going to be somewhere in the top 5 when he retires.
Everyone with a brain know Wilts an all time great too. I honestly don't know how to rank him, KAJ, and Russell in the 2-4 spot. Ill usually just say its 2a-2c, though I might be inclined to go KAJ, Wilt, then Russell. I can't really say though.

It's the conference finals right now though. Don't be like the Kobetards and act as though you're downplaying one of the grittier performances you've seen this guy have.

[RRR3]

LeBron actually scored in crunch time though. Foreign concept for Wilt fans I know.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Everyone with a brain know Wilts an all time great too. I honestly don't know how to rank him, KAJ, and Russell in the 2-4 spot. Ill usually just say its 2a-2c, though I might be inclined to go KAJ, Wilt, then Russell. I can't really say though.

It's the conference finals right now though. Don't be like the Kobetards and act as though you're downplaying one of the grittier performances you've seen this guy have.

After reading this, going to have to move Kareem further down the list and disregard his 70's accomplishments (weak era). So my top 11 as of now:

Jordan
Duncan
Magic
Shaq
Kobe
Bird
Hakeem
LeBron
Kareem
Russell
Wilt

[RRR3]

After reading this, going to have to move Kareem further down the list and disregard his 70's accomplishments (weak era). So my top 11 as of now:

Jordan
Duncan
Magic
Shaq
Kobe
Bird
Hakeem
LeBron
Kareem
Russell
Wilt
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/29/1414616428759_wps_22_Tottenham_Hotspur_mascots.jpg

[Psileas]

LeBron actually scored in crunch time though. Foreign concept for Wilt fans I know.

Yeah, Wilt, a center, actually "only" made (at least) 12 game winning shots in his career (without counting other types of clutch baskets).
Research, a foreign concept for anti-Wilt mythologists.

[JohnFreeman]

Wilt didn't score 100 points.

[swagga]

wilt was so dominant and efficient that year, that he didn't get to the finals on a stacked and healthy team:
paul arizin -> HOF
tom gola -> HOF
Tom Meschery -> All star
Guy Rodgers -> HOF
reference: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHW/1962.html. How many HOF does a 50ppg/25rbds player need to win a ring? :lol Were them celtics playing with more balls?

all these regular season records and this ngga only got field goals attempted and rebounds records, all from a crazy pace era too. Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_post-season_records. As usual wilt is just garbage in the playoffs. He could only get a ring by deandre jordaning or by the mercy of bill russell.
Goat? :no: Goat chocker? :rockon:

[LAZERUSS]

wilt was so dominant and efficient that year, that he didn't get to the finals on a stacked and healthy team:
paul arizin -> HOF
tom gola -> HOF
Tom Meschery -> All star
Guy Rodgers -> HOF
reference: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHW/1962.html. How many HOF does a 50ppg/25rbds player need to win a ring? :lol Were them celtics playing with more balls?

all these regular season records and this ngga only got field goals attempted and rebounds records, all from a crazy pace era too. Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_post-season_records. As usual wilt is just garbage in the playoffs. He could only get a ring by deandre jordaning or by the mercy of bill russell.
Goat? :no: Goat chocker? :rockon:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

As Psileas suggested...RESEARCH.

Chamberlain's "HOFers", two of which were completely washed up...shot the following in the ECF's...

Rodgers: .408
Arizin: .336
Gola: .357 (BTW, he missed three games in that series..so much for Swagga's "healthy team" comment)

Meschery was NOT an AS in that 61-62 season, and in fact, was a one-time AS in a season in which he played 64 games.

Overall, Wilt's teammates shot .354 from the field in the '62 ECF's.


Now, how about Russell's supporting cast in the '62 EDF's:

Sam Jones: HOFer
Tommy Heinsohn: HOFer
Bob Cousy: HOFer
Satch Sanders: HOFer
KC Jones: HOFer
Frank Ramsey: HOFer


We can argue "HOFers" too. KC Jones, Sanders, and Ramsey probably don't belong in an "NBA" HOF...albeit, Jones and Sanders were generally regarded as the top defensive players at their respective positions for much of their careers.

BUT, Tom Gola has as much business being in an "NBA" HOF as I do. He was a career 11 ppg, 8 rpg, .431 player. On top of that, he was arguably the worst post-season shooting HOFer of all-time (both with, and without Wilt BTW)...on a horrific .336 FG%. And Guy Rodgers just recently made the HOF. I will admit that Chamberlain felt he deserved it, HOWEVER, he was arguably the worst shooter in NBA history (against league average) of all-time...until Ricky Rubio arrived. Which was bad enough...but the man STILL shot the ball. He had seasons in which he he was taking 20 FGAs per game (and shooting .373 while doing so.) He also had a fulltime season in which he shot .347...in a league that shot .446! Again, only Rubio can claim a worse ratio.

Oh, and in the '62 EDF's...Wilt "the choker" averaged 33.6 ppg, 26.9 rpg, and shot .468 from the field (in a post-season NBA that shot .411 overall.) He outscored Russell in EVERY game of that series, and in one of them by a 42-9 margin (while outrebounding Russell 37-20 in the same game.) Oh, and Russell shot .457 from the field in the regular season...against Wilt in the EDF's... .399.

Now, you tell me just how Chamberlain took that roster (the core of which was the same LAST PLACE roster he inherited two years earlier), that would shoot .354 in that series, to a game seven, two point loss against a HOF-laden 60-20 Celtic team.

RESEARCH.

[KembaWalker]

To be fair Wilt had to defend a 6'10" C, LeBron was defending almost every position

[LAZERUSS]

To be fair Wilt had to defend a 6'10" C, LeBron was defending almost every position

So was Wilt in the '62 EDF's.

[KembaWalker]

So was Wilt in the '62 EDF's.

No ones talking bout the 62 EDF's :rolleyes:

[julizaver]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Wilt_Chamberlain_100-point.jpg

Lebron after 37/10:

http://i.imgur.com/vf0BLBh.jpg

Wilt stamina is legendary, even at his last season (almost 37 years old and with 7ft body) he played over 47 minutes in his last postseason. More than young Jabbar, Russell, Thurmond and others at the time. Sadly the unbelievable and almost humanly impossible feats of Wilt at the time brings a lot to the weak era argument. While the game has developed and it is generally and undoubtedly better today than 40 years ago Wilt played in the most stacked era for Cs, and it is generally accepted (even in ISH forum) that a player like KAJ would be the best player in the league if he joins today. And he played 4 seasons with Wilt (Wilt's last four). And good it happens, because had he join the NBA in 1973 almost every poster will boldly claim that Kareem will just crushed and humiliate Wilt if they met on the floor.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt stamina is legendary, even at his last season (almost 37 years old and with 7ft body) he played over 47 minutes in his last postseason. More than young Jabbar, Russell, Thurmond and others at the time. Sadly the unbelievable and almost humanly impossible feats of Wilt at the time brings a lot to the weak era argument. While the game has developed and it is generally and undoubtedly better today than 40 years ago Wilt played in the most stacked era for Cs, and it is generally accepted (even in ISH forum) that a player like KAJ would be the best player in the league if he joins today. And he played 4 seasons with Wilt (Wilt's last four). And good it happens, because had he join the NBA in 1973 almost every poster will boldly claim that Kareem will just crushed and humiliate Wilt if they met on the floor.

An almost 37 year old Wilt not only played 47.1 mpg in his 17 post-season games that year, he averaged 22.5 rpg, in a post-season NBA that averaged 50.6 rpg per team.

Let's put that in a little perspective, shall we. The next highest rebounder in that post-season, was Dave Cowens, at 16.3 rpg. Kareem was at 16.2 rpg, and Nate Thurmond, who came in a distant second to Wilt during the regular season, at 17.1 rpg, was at 13.2 rpg. Of course, when Wilt and Thurmond met in the WCF's in that '73 season, Chamberlain slaughtered Nate by a 23.6 rpg to 17.2 rpg margin.

But let's continue this even further. Wilt retired after that '73 season, and here were the playoff rpg leaders in the next few years:

'74: Elvin Hayes 15.9 rpg
'75: Dave Cowens 16.5 rpg
'76: Dave Cowens 16.4 rpg
'77: Kareem 17.3 rpg.

Kareem's 17.3 rpg in '77 was the highest rpg average after Wilt's 22.5 rpg, until Kevin Garnet's 18.7 in '02 (but in only 3 games.)

Chamberlain, in his LAST season, and again at nearly 37, led his team to a 60-22 record. Which was the same record that Kareem led his Bucks to. However, KAJ shot his team down in flames in the first round against the 47-35 Warriors (shot .428 from the field), and were beaten 4-2. Wilt's Lakers destroyed that same Warrior team in the WCF's, 4-1, including a 126-70 demolition in Oakland. Wilt not only murdered Thurmond on the glass in that series, he outshot Nate by a .611 to .373 margin.

Wilt, in his LAST season, led the NBA in rpg (for the 11th time...and by a solid margin); shot a still NBA record of .727 from the field; blocked a now known 5.4 bpg (the "official" NBA record was set 12 years later by Mark Eaton at 5.6 bpg); finished 4th in the MVP balloting; and voted First Team All-Defense.

Defense you ask?

How about these numbers:


Chamberlain, at age 36, and in his LAST season vs the best centers in the league:


Vs. Cowens in 4 H2H's:

Cowens: 31.3 ppg, 19.8 rpg, .454 FG%

Wilt: 14.3 ppg, 14.5 rpg, .588 FG%



vs. Reed in 3 regular season H2H's:

Reed: 12.0 ppg, 10.0 rpg, .471 FG%

Wilt: 6.3 ppg, 23.3 rpg, .529 FG%

vs. Reed in 5 Finals' H2H's:

Reed: 16.4 ppg, 9.2 rpg, .493 FG%

Wilt: 11.6 ppg, 18.6 rpg, .525 FG%


vs. Bellamy in 4 H2H's:

Bellamy: 17.0 ppg, 18.0 rpg ( 2 known games), .400 FG% (2 known game)

Wilt: 9.8 ppg, 20.5 rpg, .593 FG%


vs. Unseld in 4 H2H's:

Unseld: 12.8 ppg, 15.3 rpg, .481 FG%

Wilt: 12.8 ppg, 20.8 rpg, .769 FG%


vs. McAdoo in 4 H2H's:

McAdoo: 16.8 ppg, 8.8 rpg, .450 FG% (3 known games)

Wilt: 20.5 ppg, 21.3 rpg, .850 FG%


vs. Thurmond in 7 regular season H2H's:

Thurmond: 12.3 ppg, 21.6 rpg, .315 FG%

Wilt: 5.1 ppg, 16.6 rpg, .684 FG%

vs. Thurmond in 5 playoff H2H's:

Thurmond: 15.8 ppg, 17.2 rpg, .373 FG%

Wilt: 7.0 ppg, 23.6 rpg, .611 FG%


vs. Lanier in 6 H2H's:

Lanier: 21.2 ppg, 13.4 rpg (5 known games), .374 FG% (5 known games)

Wilt: 19.8 ppg, 16.3 rpg, .764 FG%



vs. Kareem in 6 H2H's:

Kareem: 29.5 ppg, 17.8 rpg, .450 FG%

Wilt: 11.0 ppg, 16.0 rpg, .737 FG%



How about TEAM defense, and in the post-season?

The Lakers allowed their opponents to shoot .419 in the '73 playoffs, which was by far, the best defense played. The next best team was KAJ's Bucks, at .440.

Oh, and while we don't have all the blocked shot data from that post-season, Wilt had a known 78 blocks in his first 12 playoff games (and that is missing one game...so really only 11 games.) Even if we use all 17 games, which is missing data from five games), he had a known 85 blocked shots. So he averaged between 5.0 bpg to as many as 7.1 bpg in his last post-season.

And, in his very last game of his career, a near 37 year old Wilt put up a 23 point, 21 rebound game, and in 48 minutes.

[kshutts1]

I'm pretty certain Wilt had "only" 32 FTA. Not 33. 28-32 if I remember correctly.

[LAZERUSS]

I'm pretty certain Wilt had "only" 32 FTA. Not 33. 28-32 if I remember correctly.

You are correct. I didn't bother mentioning it though.

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, there have been a TOTAL of SIX 60+ point games in which a player shot over 70% from the field. David Thompson and Karl Malone each had one.

Wilt had FOUR, including the highest FG% in a 60+ point game of .829 (29-35.)