"We don

[IGOTGAME]

[QUOTE]The Los Angeles Lakers expect to keep the second overall pick, but their rebuilding project will likely involve pursuing free agents this summer and next.

"We don

[keep-itreal]

nobody got time for that

[brownmamba00]

It's Jimmy Buss' last year...iirc he said if I don't bring a chip to LA by '16 I'm leaving everything to my sister.

but this self imposed deadline is retarded, no way in hell we get to the finals next year unless Kobe pulls a rabbit out of his ass

[alec613]

Well it's because they don't have draft picks.
Their pick goes to Philly next year, unless they win the lottery and get in to top 3.

They also owe Orlando a first rd pick

So, you know, they can't just do what the 76ers does

[Akrazotile]

I don't get this...why pay for free agents that don't really fit to put together a team that won't seriously compete. They could easily build this team organically for another couple of years and be in a great spot to pull in some free agents then...


It's cause the "fans" are always trumpeting their self important "we're the lakers, we're not satisfied with just being 'good.' We expect championships."

"When youve won as many championships as we have, just making the playoffs is no big deal. Its ring or bust. Championships. Rings. Title rings championships championships. Bleet bleet bleet. Robot sheep stupid fan. Championships title sheep ring robot dummy."

Its the way of the simple mind. Lakers brass has to cater to these idiots.

[Jameerthefear]

It's cause the "fans" are always trumpeting their self important "we're the lakers, we're not satisfied with just being 'good.' We expect championships."

"When youve won as many championships as we have, just making the playoffs is no big deal. Its ring or bust. Championships. Rings. Title rings championships championships. Bleet bleet bleet. Robot sheep stupid fan. Championships title sheep ring robot dummy."

Its the way of the simple mind. Lakers brass has to cater to these idiots.
tbh all fans get fed up with losing

[IGOTGAME]

It's cause the "fans" are always trumpeting their self important "we're the lakers, we're not satisfied with just being 'good.' We expect championships."

"When youve won as many championships as we have, just making the playoffs is no big deal. Its ring or bust. Championships. Rings. Title rings championships championships. Bleet bleet bleet. Robot sheep stupid fan. Championships title sheep ring robot dummy."

Its the way of the simple mind. Lakers brass has to cater to these idiots.


these sentiments and quick rebuild dont go together. quick rebuild means just being good in most cases. so why would the Lakers care about losing in the second round every year?

btw...that Steve Nash trade was absurd, just laughably absurd.

[alec613]

these sentiments and quick rebuild dont go together. quick rebuild means just being good in most cases. so why would the Lakers care about losing in the second round every year?

btw...that Steve Nash trade was absurd, just laughably absurd.

That's a good start. Making in the playoffs and losing in the 2nd rd.
It's much, much better than being stuck in the lottery, where teams like Philly and Orlando will be making the selection for you. At least from there, you can only go up and improve each year

[IGOTGAME]

That's a good start. Making in the playoffs and losing in the 2nd rd.
It's much, much better than being stuck in the lottery, where teams like Philly and Orlando will be making the selection for you. At least from there, you can only go up and improve each year

thats true. i forgot about the Orlando pick. Lakers are just in a shitty situation. They wont be good for a long long time. They are going to have to lure a big time free agent there and I just dont see it.

[wakencdukest]

It's cause the "fans" are always trumpeting their self important "we're the lakers, we're not satisfied with just being 'good.' We expect championships."

"When youve won as many championships as we have, just making the playoffs is no big deal. Its ring or bust. Championships. Rings. Title rings championships championships. Bleet bleet bleet. Robot sheep stupid fan. Championships title sheep ring robot dummy."

Its the way of the simple mind. Lakers brass has to cater to these idiots.




Isn't winning a championship what all fans want for their team? Are you satisfied with your team just being good? I'm sure the majority of us Laker fans would rather see the team built the right way and suffer through a few years of losing versus trying to throw a championship team together out of desperation(Howard & Nash).

[kamil]

So Lakers fans and the organization not only feel entitled but also have zero patience?

This team is the only one in the entire league with expectations of grandeur.

[Akrazotile]

Isn't winning a championship what all fans want for their team? Are you satisfied with your team just being good? I'm sure the majority of us Laker fans would rather see the team built the right way and suffer through a few years of losing versus trying to throw a championship team together out of desperation(Howard & Nash).



Yeah but let's say last years Lakers team with its horrible roster was exceeding expectations and actually in a position to possibly make the playoffs. And someone said "Hey, wow, you guys might end up nabbing that 8th seed when it's all said and done!"

The typical Laker fan would try and downplay it, act superior, pretend he doesn't care about 8 seeds and first round exits. Even internally he'd be excited AF. But no matter what the Lakers situation is, they repeat this corny cliche about how "We're LA, we don't get excited over the second round of the playoffs." They act smug toward other fanbases who are advancing for the first time in a while.

Trust me, you hear this stuff all the time on talk radio in LA. It's that entitled mindset that is pressuring the Lakers to try and fix everything right away. The other issue is that LA is a city with plenty of entertainment options. It's not "the only show in town" and if the Lakers suck, the revenue gon' drop off pretty good.

Even if the Lakers can field a team that realistically is a second-round out at best, the fans with their drunken optimism (which all fans have) will believe it's a contender and will show out for the team. Just look at the Knicks. As long as they have 1 borderline superstar on the roster, the fans keep thinking at the beginning of the year they're gonna win the chip :oldlol:


Lakers don't have to actually build a legit contender. That not only takes time, it takes luck. They just have to put together an average type of playoff team and the fans will delude themselves happily. They just can't be an awful bottom feeder, because then everyone's gonna stay away. Those "loyal Laker fans" :roll: :roll:

[SugarHill]

Yeah but let's say last years Lakers team with its horrible roster was exceeding expectations and actually in a position to possibly make the playoffs. And someone said "Hey, wow, you guys might end up nabbing that 8th seed when it's all said and done!"

The typical Laker fan would try and downplay it, act superior, pretend he doesn't care about 8 seeds and first round exits. Even internally he'd be excited AF. But no matter what the Lakers situation is, they repeat this corny cliche about how "We're LA, we don't get excited over the second round of the playoffs." They act smug toward other fanbases who are advancing for the first time in a while.

Trust me, you hear this stuff all the time on talk radio in LA. It's that entitled mindset that is pressuring the Lakers to try and fix everything right away. The other issue is that LA is a city with plenty of entertainment options. It's not "the only show in town" and if the Lakers suck, the revenue gon' drop off pretty good.

Even if the Lakers can field a team that realistically is a second-round out at best, the fans with their drunken optimism (which all fans have) will believe it's a contender and will show out for the team. Just look at the Knicks. As long as they have 1 borderline superstar on the roster, the fans keep thinking at the beginning of the year they're gonna win the chip :oldlol:


Lakers don't have to actually build a legit contender. That not only takes time, it takes luck. They just have to put together an average type of playoff team and the fans will delude themselves happily. They just can't be an awful bottom feeder, because then everyone's gonna stay away. Those "loyal Laker fans" :roll: :roll:
real talk radio :djparty

[Im Still Ballin]

^white boy

[Bernkastel]

Lakers fans are deluded. Boston fans aren't as deluded as them. On average, I'd say that Canadiens and Yankees fans are less deluded than them despite having way more titles than the Lakers.

Everyone is happy to advance in the playoffs. Posturing like you're not excited should be left to those that actually had a part in advancing and succeeding--the players, the coaches, the front office, etc. Losing years are expected; years to rebuild are expected.

Yeah, Kobe can be impatient since he wants to win another, but if he really wanted to win another, he'd be looking for a way to leave the Lakers.

[longtime lurker]

I don't get this...why pay for free agents that don't really fit to put together a team that won't seriously compete. They could easily build this team organically for another couple of years and be in a great spot to pull in some free agents then...

Like other posters have mentioned the Lakers don't have a lot of draft picks in the next 4 years. The path back to contention is through a superstar. If the Lakers are looking to sign Durant next year(highly unlikely) and Westbrook when he becomes a free agent then they need to already have a competitive team in place. Organic growth takes way too long and it's unreliable.

[Jameerthefear]

Like other posters have mentioned the Lakers don't have a lot of draft picks in the next 4 years. The path back to contention is through a superstar. If the Lakers are looking to sign Durant next year(highly unlikely) and Westbrook when he becomes a free agent then they need to already have a competitive team in place. Organic growth takes way too long and it's unreliable.
tell that to the spurs, warriors, cleveland (kinda)

[Raymone]

Yeah, Kobe can be impatient since he wants to win another, but if he really wanted to win another, he'd be looking for a way to leave the Lakers.

Keep dreaming. He's been with the Lakers for almost 20 years. He won't throw away his loyalty, unlike other players, to make some super friends and embarrassingly try to ring chase.

[Nastradamus]

Skip Okafor for one of the PGs or Winslow and then snag Robert Upshaw with that Houston pick. That roster will be in good shape.

[IGOTGAME]

Like other posters have mentioned the Lakers don't have a lot of draft picks in the next 4 years. The path back to contention is through a superstar. If the Lakers are looking to sign Durant next year(highly unlikely) and Westbrook when he becomes a free agent then they need to already have a competitive team in place. Organic growth takes way too long and it's unreliable.

just looked at the pick situation and it is bad. Reality is that the Lakers arent goin to be good for a long time unless they get very lucky.

[Jameerthefear]

also, i think the pick we own of yours is heavily protected so i think you could still get it?

[DMV2]

tell that to the spurs, warriors, cleveland (kinda)
Bulls and Thunder too.

Both rebuild though draft and big agency/trades have misses and hits.

2010-14 Heat, 2008-10 Lakers were hits for trades and free agency. Melo/Chandler Knicks and 2013 Lakers a huge bust.

Though I guess that route has a better chance of winning championship than from the ground up though since the Rose/Noah Bulls and Thunder still haven't won a ring yet.

[ImKobe]

Lakers coming for that chip y'all haters shook as fk right now :kobe:

Okafor (most likely)
another rotation player with the #27 pick

30 mil in cap space

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u407/deucebigalow1/r2hj.png

gonna be hard to fit another trophy and Finals MVP to that picture after next season.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This team is the only one in the entire league with expectations of grandeur.
All teams should be like that. I mean, it's no accident they're the most successful organization in basketball.

[dubeta]

Expected as much


The Lakers franchise are built on collusion, they haven't drafted since Magic

1996 - Kobe, Shaq collusion


2004- Malone Payton


2012- Dwight, Nash



Apparently they collude every 8 years, that means 2020 will be the next major collusion.

[daily]

Like other posters have mentioned the Lakers don't have a lot of draft picks in the next 4 years. Organic growth takes way too long and it's unreliable.

It's a crapshoot. For every success story of building through the draft there's 5 failures. Jam mentioned three teams but only one of those has actually put a ring on the table and isn't that ultimately the goal for all NBA teams.

Properly done when starting from the ground up like the Lakers are it's done through a combination of draft, trades and signing free agents. Thunder built through the draft to begin with but are now stalled, they have nothing to show but near misses so now they have to improve through trades and free agents.

Sucking is easy, getting that pick is easy but drafting is a 50/50 proposition because there's more players that don't live up to potential than do so you can't rely on that alone. Sooner or later you have to say we're done going to the draft well and now we're going to phase two build around the base we have and start adding to the team in other ways

As for Starface's post, said it before the guy should just have "Laker Nation Enter Here" tattooed on his forehead. I've never seen a fanbase so ingrained into a guys everyday thought process :lol So comical

[daily]

Expected as much


The Lakers franchise are built on collusion, they haven't drafted since Magic

1996 - Kobe, Shaq collusion


2004- Malone Payton


2012- Dwight, Nash



Apparently they collude every 8 years, that means 2020 will be the next major collusion.

James Worthy is the last Laker taken in the top 5. Get your facts straight if you're going to write gobbledygook

[DMV2]

^dubeta, daily

Drafts before the lottery were completely messed up though.

Championship teams still were able to get #1 picks. :lol

[daily]

also, i think the pick we own of yours is heavily protected so i think you could still get it?2017, Top 5 protected. You should be able to get it

[longtime lurker]

tell that to the spurs, warriors, cleveland (kinda)

Spurs had a once in a life time player and coach. They also solely didn't rely on draft picks to become contenders. Warriors relied on trades, free agents signings and a head coaching change and Cleveland is the worst example considering the all the trades they made.

[Jameerthefear]

2017, Top 5 protected. You should be able to get it
yeah probably

[daily]

^dubeta, daily

Drafts before the lottery were completely messed up though.

Championship teams still were able to get #1 picks. :lolYes and no, the Worthy pick came from a trade in 1979 where they traded picks with the Cavs along with players. Cavs got the Lakers 80 pick and Lakers got Cavs 83 pick. Not unlike a move you'd see done now

[Jameerthefear]

Spurs had a once in a life time player and coach. They also solely didn't rely on draft picks to become contenders. Warriors relied on trades, free agents signings and a head coaching change and Cleveland is the worst example considering the all the trades they made.
saying the warriors and cleveland and spurs relied on trades is kinda dumb since their best players were ones they drafted. that's like saying miami didn't build their team in free agency because they drafted Wade

[longtime lurker]

just looked at the pick situation and it is bad. Reality is that the Lakers arent goin to be good for a long time unless they get very lucky.

You could say that about almost any team. The Lakers can at least be a playoff contender in the next couple years by focusing on signing/trading for all star players or young players with all star potential. They can't keep making stupid moves like resigning Jordan Hill and Nick Young. Get rid of all the non core players like Kelly, Young etc. Clear as much cap space as possible.

[longtime lurker]

saying the warriors and cleveland and spurs relied on trades is kinda dumb since their best players were ones they drafted. that's like saying miami didn't build their team in free agency because they drafted Wade

It wasn't organic growth. Especially not Cleveland. The closest thing to organic growth is OKC and I'm pretty sure everyone can admit that they are simply the exception. Teams that solely rely on the draft end up going nowhere: see Minnesota, Utah and Orlando.

[Jameerthefear]

no one does all organic growth. just like no team that has won with the use of free agency uses JUST free agency. i have no idea what point you're trying to make

[Jameerthefear]

hell, u say that about orlando but orlando used both too.

[MMM]

if the Lakers get their next superstar player via Draft than 3-5 years until contender status isn't that long. They can try to lure a big name FA but that hasn't been successful for them of late.

I feel like getting and molding a superstar into a Lakers is preferable than getting one from another situation. Dynasties are built withing not with mercenaries and the last few Laker supper teams are evidence of it.

[Orlando Magic]

Translation... We are going to bet the farm on Rondo and another free agent and get locked into mediocrity for YEARS to come.

[Rooster]

Building through draft and winning multiple championships like the Spurs did is harder than signing and trading for franchise players. I don't Lakers would have won championships if they mainly build the team through drafts.

[longtime lurker]

Translation... We are going to bet the farm on Rondo and another free agent and get locked into mediocrity for YEARS to come.

They don't plan on using Orlando's blueprint for "success"

[Rooster]

You could say that about almost any team. The Lakers can at least be a playoff contender in the next couple years by focusing on signing/trading for all star players or young players with all star potential. They can't keep making stupid moves like resigning Jordan Hill and Nick Young. Get rid of all the non core players like Kelly, Young etc. Clear as much cap space as possible.

I like Nick Young signing to spark the bench and hes good at that role. I think signing Hill and picking up Boozer was just awful move especially when you have a young big like Randle who need minutes to grow. Hopefully that won't happen again.

[chosen_one6]

I like Nick Young signing to spark the bench and hes good at that role. I think signing Hill and picking up Boozer was just awful move especially when you have a young big like Randle who need minutes to grow. Hopefully that won't happen again.


Nick Young is an idiot chucker that plays no defense. Why he's in the league blows my mind.

[Rooster]

Nick Young is an idiot chucker that plays no defense. Why he's in the league blows my mind.

Every team needs a wild card off the bench and thats what Nick Young provides. He can score and more importantly create his own shot and can get hot.

[G0ATbe]

Laker organization going all in for Godbe:rockon: . 2016 champs.

[GimmeThat]

Well, most teams who have said that had generally ended up watching their top picks taking the ball away from the veterans they went out and signed once the whole team hits the floor.

[PickernRoller]

Indeed we can't. We need to go to Haiti or Africa and hire some voodoo doll practitioner to resurrect Jerry Buss. Let the tyranny of the young one end once and for all.

[longtime lurker]

I like Nick Young signing to spark the bench and hes good at that role. I think signing Hill and picking up Boozer was just awful move especially when you have a young big like Randle who need minutes to grow. Hopefully that won't happen again.

Nick Young takes up 5 million in cap space. :facepalm Horrible signing

[oarabbus]

tbh all fans get fed up with losing


Knicks fans going strong

[Lebron23]

"Given but not earned." They are the Yankees of the NBA.

[bdreason]

Next year needs to be a development year. Lakers will essentially have 2 top 10 rookies on the roster. These guys need time to adjust to the league, learn the system, and develop their skills.

[Lamar Odumbb]

Building through draft and winning multiple championships like the Spurs did is harder than signing and trading for franchise players. I don't Lakers would have won championships if they mainly build the team through drafts.

Magic, Norm Nixon, and James Worthy were drafted by the Lakers and they won 2 for Norm and 3 for Worthy and 5 for Johnson.

Lakers starting 5 in the 2009-2010 teams had 3 starting players drafted by the Lakers in Fisher, Kobe, and Bynum if you count Kobe who was essentially drafted via trade for the Lakers. Not to mention the bench consisted of Sasha and Luke Walton so 5 of the Lakers 8 man rotation were drafted by the Lakers.

[TheMarkMadsen]

"Given but not earned." They are the Yankees of the NBA.

You are insecure dude

:roll: :roll:

[Bernkastel]

"Given but not earned." They are the Yankees of the NBA.

Yankees are top class. Don't hate because they have the money to spend. :confusedshrug:

[imnew09]

Championship confirmed.

[Genaro]

Build through FA and trades proves to be much more successful than through the draft. Yes, Warriors (though Lee and Iggy were FAs), Spurs and Thunder build through the draft but how hard it is to find a KD, a Duncan or even a Curry? And for every success in the draft you got teams like the Bobcats, the Wolves and the Kings that are in the lottery for years and can't build a good team.

Teams who don't attract big FAs have to rely on the draft, this isn't the Lakers.
And after this year Lakers will probably be 2 years without a pick so if they want to be good again they need to strike on FA.

[Jailblazers7]

Would be hilarious if LAL became the western branch of the NYK.

[IllegalD]

"Given but not earned." They are the Yankees of the NBA.

:roll: @ this b*tchass pinoy talking about "given not earned" while rocking a LeBron avatar (who's jumped from Superteam to Superteam in his prime to pad his ring count, even though he plays in one of the weakest eras ever, and in the shittiest conference ever. :facepalm

[TheBigVeto]

I don't get this...why pay for free agents that don't really fit to put together a team that won't seriously compete. They could easily build this team organically for another couple of years and be in a great spot to pull in some free agents then...

The Lakers are all about instant results - that's the mentality that David Stern left them with.

[Rooster]

Magic, Norm Nixon, and James Worthy were drafted by the Lakers and they won 2 for Norm and 3 for Worthy and 5 for Johnson.

Lakers starting 5 in the 2009-2010 teams had 3 starting players drafted by the Lakers in Fisher, Kobe, and Bynum if you count Kobe who was essentially drafted via trade for the Lakers. Not to mention the bench consisted of Sasha and Luke Walton so 5 of the Lakers 8 man rotation were drafted by the Lakers.

Yes but they already have Kareem to anchor the team at both ends. The Kobe part post Shaq was built through draft but the trade for Pau completed the team. Spurs main players were basically drafted. Duncan, Admiral, parker, Manu and now Kawhi.

[TheBigVeto]

"Given but not earned." They are the Yankees of the NBA.

Indeed. This is the honest truth.:applause:

[Rooster]

Build through FA and trades proves to be much more successful than through the draft. Yes, Warriors (though Lee and Iggy were FAs), Spurs and Thunder build through the draft but how hard it is to find a KD, a Duncan or even a Curry? And for every success in the draft you got teams like the Bobcats, the Wolves and the Kings that are in the lottery for years and can't build a good team.

Teams who don't attract big FAs have to rely on the draft, this isn't the Lakers.
And after this year Lakers will probably be 2 years without a pick so if they want to be good again they need to strike on FA.

Lakers need to be careful of overpaying role players though. Only a marquee player can push us to the playoff and be part of that cornerstone. If we get struck out with any of them like last year then better to keep that cap space for next year which means renting players for another year.