The Western Conference is Overrated.

[1~Gibson~1]

....with respect to the fact that most of the all-nba defensive team is from the west, this is a TEAM sport.

NBA PLAYOFF Statistics:

Opponents Field Goal % Per Game

Four of the top five are from the Eastern Conference.
40.7% Chicago Bulls*
41.1% Cleveland Cavaliers*
42.3% Washington Wizards*
42.6% Atlanta Hawks
42.8% Golden State Warriors*

Four of the bottom five are from the Western Conference.
48.2% Toronto Raptors
46.6% Dallas Mavericks
46.6% San Antonio Spurs
46.4% Houston Rockets**
44.9% New Orleans Pelicans

Opponents Points Per Game

Three of the top five are from the Eastern Conference.
92.6 Chicago Bulls*
92.9 Cleveland Cavaliers*
94.3 Golden State Warriors*
96.0 Memphis Grizzlies*
96.9 Atlanta Hawks**

Four of the bottom five are from the Western Conference.
114.2 Dallas Mavericks
110.8 Houston Rockets
110.3 Toronto Raptors
108.8 New Orleans Pelicans
106.4 Los Angeles Clippers**

*denotes contender
**denotes pretender

Stop overrating the Western Conference and their jr. high defenses. The East is just as competitive, with more emphasis on defense.

[Quickening]

True.... Western conference so tough, Warriors walking through it without breaking a sweat

[Heavincent]

The best defensive team resides in the West (Warriors).

[1~Gibson~1]

^^^

Other than Golden State and Memphis, there are no legit contenders in the West because no other teams play defense.

[DMAVS41]

The West had 3 of the top 4 defenses this year.

They had 5 of the top 10.

They had, by record (which is unfair to the West mind you), 7 of the 10 best teams in the league.

It's not over-rated...or maybe it is...and it's just that the East is even worse than we thought.

Either way, the disparity is huge.

[DMAVS41]

^^^

Other than Golden State and Memphis, there are no legit contenders in the West because no other teams play defense.

The ****?

The Spurs had the 2nd best defense this year.

Both the Spurs and Clippers would at worst make the conference finals in the East...with both likely beating this hobbled Cavs team.

The East ended up having 1 team capable of getting out of the first round in the West.

It's a joke.

[Young X]

Except the east FG% is lower because the teams are trash offensively not because better defense is being played. Some of the offensive droughts the Bulls went on weren't because the Cavs were some elite defensive team it was because of their lack of talent and shooting.

Obviously the FG% in the east will be lower when you have teams like the Bucks, Nets, Wizards, Raptors, and Bulls as opposed to the Rockets, Clippers, Spurs, and Mavs.

[T_L_P]

This list is all over the place...you are using Playoff stats even though some of those teams played four or five games.

How about we use some credible team stats?

Opponents Points Per Game

#1 - Utah Jazz (94.9)
#2 - Memphis Grizzlies (95.1)
#3 - Indiana Pacers (97.0)
#3 - San Antonio Spurs (97.0)
#5 - Atlanta Hawks (97.1)

How about DRtg, which is the best team stat for judging defense (Opponent PPG is heavily dependent on Pace)?

#1 - Golden State Warriors
#2 - San Antonio Spurs
#3 - Memphis Grizzlies
#3 - Milwaukee Bucks
#5 - Washington Wizards

5 of the top 10 defensive teams play out West, including the best two; 7 of the top 10 offensive teams play out West, including the best two.

Out West, you need at least 45 wins to make the Playoffs (sometimes it's closer to 50); out East, you need 36-38 wins to secure a Playoff berth, and 45 wins to secure HCA in the 1st round. :oldlol:

The East isn't just as competitive as the West. Well, maybe it is because the teams are all equally mediocre (with some exceptions of course), but there's no debate as to which conference is the better one. The West supposedly has junior high defenses yet they are home to the two best defensive teams in the entire league. Kyle Korver was an All-Star out East; there was an end-of-season Playoff battle between a bunch of teams that were trying to tank early on but they weren't as bad as the other teams in their conference. Lol.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Now that Cleveland is relevant again, we get phagg0ts like the OP (who weren't even active post decision) making hyperbolic and erroneous topics.

I mean, just lol at the east being "as deep" but with "better defenses". :hammerhead:

[Quickening]

The ****?

The Spurs had the 2nd best defense this year.

Both the Spurs and Clippers would at worst make the conference finals in the East...with both likely beating this hobbled Cavs team.

The East ended up having 1 team capable of getting out of the first round in the West.

It's a joke.

If Houston were an east team and got to the conference finals, people would be saying it highlights how weak it is and how clippers or SA would crush them... west has more decent teams, but Warriors have been the only really good team this year.

[SexSymbol]

How can you be overrated if you are obviously better than the only other counterpart?

[SamuraiSWISH]

I actually agree, but the East is still utterly pathetic.

[DMAVS41]

If Houston were an east team and got to the conference finals, people would be saying it highlights how weak it is and how clippers or SA would crush them... west has more decent teams, but Warriors have been the only really good team this year.

No they wouldn't. Why do people think this Rockets team isn't good?

They had the 2nd best record in the West. They had the 8th best defense this year.

They have a top 5 player and another top 10 or 15 player.

They beat a Clippers team that beat the Spurs.

I mean...at some point you just have to admit they are one of the best 4 or 5 teams in the league.

Not only have they proven shit, but they have great players.


And just no. The Clippers, Spurs, Grizzlies, Rockets, and Warriors were good all year.

What ****ing league do you clowns watch?

[Jailblazers7]

I think injuries really made the West much less impressive than its reputation this year.

Durant + RW + Serge all missed time
Dwight out for long stretches
Kwahi + Parker wasn't the same
Blake missing 15 games
Wes Matthews going down
Anthony Davis missed a dozen or so

Only Golden State seemed to ever really got to full throttle

[Quickening]

How can you be overrated if you are obviously better than the only other counterpart?
What... So a conference can never be overrated if its better than the other one?

So if someone said every western team in the playoffs would beat any eastern team by 60 points that wouldn't be overrated it?

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[KobesFinger]

I could interpret those stats to say the Eastern teams just suck at scoring.

[Jailblazers7]

I think people are saying the West was overrated in terms of history, not in comparison to the East.

[DonDadda59]

You have to take into account that there are much better offensive players/teams out west. Just look at the all NBA selections.

Worse offensive players = worse offensive stats.


I could interpret those stats to say the Eastern teams just suck at scoring.

Basically.

The Bucks, a random collection of 'who the f*ck is that?', were the 6th seed in the East. San Antonio, the defending champs and one of the better offensive teams of this era, were 6th in the West.

[bdreason]

Have you watched this Eastern Conference playoffs? The poor shooting and stagnant offense has little to do with defense. Some of these games have been dreadful... just brick after brick. I remember watching a stretch of the Bucks vs. Bulls series, and it looked like High School kids shooting the ball... building houses with all those bricks.

[Heavincent]

Have you watched this Eastern Conference playoffs? The poor shooting and stagnant offense has little to do with defense. Some of these games have been dreadful... just brick after brick. I remember watching a stretch of the Bucks vs. Bulls series, and it looked like High School kids shooting the ball... building houses with all those bricks.

Yup. That's not defense, that's just bad shooting. Both teams have piss poor spacing. Wizards don't have good spacing either since Wall isn't a good shooter and neither of their starting bigs can stretch the floor.

[kennethgriffin]

1999 - west
2000 - west
2001 - west
2002 - west
2003 - west
2004 - east ( billups came over from the west )
2005 - west
2006 - east ( shaq came over from the west )
2007 - west
2008 - east ( garnett came over from the west )
2009 - west
2010 - west
2011 - west
2012 - lockout *void*
2013 - ray allen *fluke*
2014 - west
2015 - west


the west is not overrated

:lol

[SexSymbol]

1999 - west
2000 - west
2001 - west
2002 - west
2003 - west
2004 - east ( billups came over from the west )
2005 - west
2006 - east ( shaq came over from the west )
2007 - west
2008 - east ( garnett came over from the west )
2009 - west
2010 - west
2011 - west
2012 - lockout *void*
2013 - ray allen *fluke*
2014 - west
2015 - west


the west is not overrated

:lol

mic drop

[qrich]

OP grasping for straws

[tontoz]

OKC won 45 games and missed the playoffs in the West. Nets won 38 games and made the playoffs in the LEast.


Idiotic thread

[tontoz]

Have you watched this Eastern Conference playoffs? The poor shooting and stagnant offense has little to do with defense. Some of these games have been dreadful... just brick after brick. I remember watching a stretch of the Bucks vs. Bulls series, and it looked like High School kids shooting the ball... building houses with all those bricks.


You can make your point without insulting high school kids.

[nathanjizzle]

OKC won 45 games and missed the playoffs in the West. Nets won 38 games and made the playoffs in the LEast.


Idiotic thread

youre pretty stupid so let me help you comprehend. The topic isnt about comparing the Western Conference to the Eastern Conference. Its about, and let me reiterate, how "overrated the western conference is". :confusedshrug: hard to understand?

[tontoz]

youre pretty stupid so let me help you comprehend. The topic isnt about comparing the Western Conference to the Eastern Conference. Its about, and let me reiterate, how "overrated the western conference is". :confusedshrug: hard to understand?


The entire OP is comparing the East to the West dumbass. You have to be the dumbest poster on this board.

[SyRyanYang]

Does it never occur to you that Western teams also have far superior offense?:biggums:

[Sportal]

Ok OP:

Your mission, if you choose to accept it:

Make legitimate all NBA teams, strictly out of players from the West. And then do the same for the East. 1, 2 and 3.

Also, Kenneth, if the recent lockout is "void" from a title perspective... Why is "West" just sat there in 99 with no "void"? Was it 99? Are you, what do the kids say around here...

"Living rent free?".

[Genaro]

How can anyone argue East vs West with a straight face? This just baffles me.

[Alamо]

....with respect to the fact that most of the all-nba defensive team is from the west, this is a TEAM sport.

NBA PLAYOFF Statistics:

Opponents Field Goal % Per Game

Four of the top five are from the Eastern Conference.
40.7% Chicago Bulls*
41.1% Cleveland Cavaliers*
42.3% Washington Wizards*
42.6% Atlanta Hawks
42.8% Golden State Warriors*

Four of the bottom five are from the Western Conference.
48.2% Toronto Raptors
46.6% Dallas Mavericks
46.6% San Antonio Spurs
46.4% Houston Rockets**
44.9% New Orleans Pelicans

Opponents Points Per Game

Three of the top five are from the Eastern Conference.
92.6 Chicago Bulls*
92.9 Cleveland Cavaliers*
94.3 Golden State Warriors*
96.0 Memphis Grizzlies*
96.9 Atlanta Hawks**

Four of the bottom five are from the Western Conference.
114.2 Dallas Mavericks
110.8 Houston Rockets
110.3 Toronto Raptors
108.8 New Orleans Pelicans
106.4 Los Angeles Clippers**

*denotes contender
**denotes pretender

Stop overrating the Western Conference and their jr. high defenses. The East is just as competitive, with more emphasis on defense.



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[Legends66NBA7]

The stats are misleading for reasons ready stated, but I'm also willing to bet the East teams have more missed shots on uncontested shots. That isn't good defense, but poor offense.

[Wade's Rings]

1999 - west
2000 - west
2001 - west
2002 - west
2003 - west
2004 - east ( billups came over from the west )
2005 - west
2006 - east ( shaq came over from the west )
2007 - west
2008 - east ( garnett came over from the west )
2009 - west
2010 - west
2011 - west
2012 - lockout *void*
2013 - ray allen *fluke*
2014 - west
2015 - west


the west is not overrated

:lol

1999 was a lockout year even shorter than 2012. You use it to bring down Tim Duncan but now it's being used to prop up the west/Kobe. Make up your mind.

Also if your using Shaq in 2006 you need to mention Shaq from 2000-2002 since he came over from the East.

In 2011 Tyson Chandler came over from the East, you forgot to give him credit there.

In 2014 Kawhi got traded from the Pacers...you forgot to mention that.

Your list should look like this:

1999- Lockout*
2000-2002- West(Shaq came from East)
2003- West(Steve Smith came from East)
2004- East(Billups came from West)
2005- West(Glenn Robinson came form East)
2006- East
2007-West
2008-East(KG came from West)
2009-2010- West
2011-West(Chandler from East)
2012-Lockout
2013- East
2014-West(Kawhi from East)

[1~Gibson~1]

The stats are misleading for reasons ready stated, but I'm also willing to bet the East teams have more missed shots on uncontested shots. That isn't good defense, but poor offense.Im also willing to bet that the West teams, on average, have more possessions per game, and FGA per game.

Which would lead to them averaging more points per game.
The East plays at a slower pace, usually half court.
The West plays at a faster pace, more fast breaks.

That doesn't make them better, but it will lead to more regular season wins. And FG% helps weed out the good vs. bad.

[1~Gibson~1]

My hypothesis will be proven right or wrong tonight at 8 PM.

The Houston Rockets will not play a lick of defense, there will be at least 50 fast breaks, and over 300 total possession per game.

Final score:

Golden State - 400
Houston - 60

[Legends66NBA7]

That doesn't make them better, but it will lead to more regular season wins.

Isn't this thread about the playoffs ? Clippers and Houston are the only 2 teams that are playing at a much higher pace than everyone else these playoffs, but I think they both beat majority of the East teams.

Tell you what, seed by seed, who wins vs the other and why:

1) Golden State vs Atlanta

2) Houston vs Cleveland

3) Clippers vs Chicago

4) Portland vs Toronto

5) Memphis vs Washington

6) San Antonio vs Milwaukee

7) Boston vs Dallas

8) New Orleans vs Brooklyn

[Doranku]

1) Golden State vs Atlanta

2) Houston vs Cleveland

3) Clippers vs Chicago

4) Portland vs Toronto

5) Memphis vs Washington

6) San Antonio vs Milwaukee :roll: not even gonna bother bolding

7) Dallas vs Boston

8) New Orleans vs Brooklyn

:lol :lol :lol

[1~Gibson~1]

Isn't this thread about the playoffs ? Clippers and Houston are the only 2 teams that are playing at a much higher pace than everyone else these playoffs, but I think they both beat majority of the East teams.

Tell you what, seed by seed, who wins vs the other and why:

1) Golden State vs Atlanta

2) Houston vs Cleveland

3) Clippers vs Chicago

4) Portland vs Toronto

5) Memphis vs Washington

6) San Antonio vs Milwaukee

7) Boston vs Dallas

8) New Orleans vs BrooklynSeeds are based off of regular season wins.

Let some of these East teams play in the undefensive west and they'd win more games too.

[Bernkastel]

West fans and anti-LeBron posters are going to be on suicide watch when the East wins the title this year.

[KobesFinger]

Seeds are based off of regular season wins.

Let some of these East teams play in the undefensive west and they'd win more games too.

Like who?

[1~Gibson~1]

Like who?Chicago, Washington, Toronto, Atlanta, Cleveland

If you put either team in the West, from start to finish, they'd finish near the top as well if teams arent going to play defense over there :sleeping

[T_L_P]

Seeds are based off of regular season wins.

Let some of these East teams play in the undefensive west and they'd win more games too.

The very West that has 5 of the top 10 defensive teams, including the top 3?

Alright buddy, looks like the facts have ethered you too much. :oldlol:

[qrich]

Seeds are based off of regular season wins.

Let some of these East teams play in the undefensive west and they'd win more games too.

:roll:

[1~Gibson~1]

We are 2 minutes away from witnessing a defensive meltdown.

Stay tuned to see the Western Conference play O-layup defense all night long :cheers:

http://mondl.us/newsletter/raw/2008M03/8.JPG

[qrich]

Chicago, Washington, Toronto, Atlanta, Cleveland

If you put either team in the West, from start to finish, they'd finish near the top as well if teams arent going to play defense over there :sleeping

Warriors would win 70 in the East, with ease.

Rockets, Clippers, Grizzlies, Blazers, Spurs all would win 65.

Pelicans, Mavs, Thunder would win 55.

Jazz would be the fourth seed in the LEast.

[1~Gibson~1]

A typical NBA game averages 100 ppg, per team, through 4 quarters.

That's 25 points per quarters. The Warriors have already allowed 25 points with half of a quarter left :oldlol:.

Defense?

[qrich]

A typical NBA game averages 100 ppg, per team, through 4 quarters.

That's 25 points per quarters. The Warriors have already allowed 25 points with half of a quarter left :oldlol:.

Defense?

Being .500 in the East would get you the sixth seed.

Thoughts?

[Legends66NBA7]

Toronto, Washington, and Chicago would have struggled to make the playoffs in the West. Toronto was the worst defensive team amongst all playoff teams.

Cleveland is struggling too pre trade and if LeBron misses the time he did. Atlanta probably doesn't win 60, but would be good.

[1~Gibson~1]

Being .500 in the East would get you the sixth seed.

Thoughts?The East is top-heavy. Kinda like the 2014 Miami Heat.

Regardless, after the first round, the teams have to battle it out just like any other year in the playoffs.

In the West however, teams are "stacked" for regular season wins but the pretenders are weeded out during the first round.

[1~Gibson~1]

Toronto, Washington, and Chicago would have struggled to make the playoffs in the West. Toronto was the worst defensive team amongst all playoff teams.

Cleveland is struggling too pre trade and if LeBron misses the time he did. Atlanta probably doesn't win 60, but would be good.Sounds like they'd be somewhere in the middle of the playoff hunt with that statement.

[Legends66NBA7]

What is the definition of a pretender ?

[Legends66NBA7]

Sounds like they'd be somewhere in the middle of the playoff hunt with that statement.

No they wouldn't. They probably would be hard pressed to even make the 8th seed.

[1~Gibson~1]

What is the definition of a pretender ?Noun - Fake contender. Unable to contend, due to mediocrity.

[ProfessorMurder]

What is the definition of a pretender ?
LeBron.

[qrich]

The East is top-heavy. Kinda like the 2014 Miami Heat.

Regardless, after the first round, the teams have to battle it out just like any other year in the playoffs.

In the West however, teams are "stacked" for regular season wins but the pretenders are weeded out during the first round.

Top heavy, eh?

Third seed in the Top Heavy Least would be 8th in the West, same with fourth, while rest wouldn't be close. Second seed would be 6th in the West.

[Tycriss]

1-Golden State Warriors....10.01 SRS
2-Los Angeles Clippers......6.80 SRS
3-San Antonio Spurs.........6.34 SRS
4-Atlanta Hawks.................4.75 SRS
5-Portland Trail Blazers....4.41 SRS
6-Cleveland Cavaliers...........4.08 SRS
7-Houston Rockets............3.82 SRS
8-Memphis Grizzlies..........3.62 SRS
9-Dallas Mavericks...........3.36 SRS
10-Chicago Bulls...............2.54 SRS

And the Western Conference is overrated :facepalm

[1~Gibson~1]

The best defense in the league is allowing 120+ points in a close-out game, one win away from the NBA Finals :coleman:

[1~Gibson~1]

The 7th best defense in the league is allowing 110+ points in the Western conference finals :coleman:

[1~Gibson~1]

The west sure knows how to take 3s and fast break.... defense, not so much. It reminds me of the run-n-gun Phoenix Suns of 2007. They didnt put ANY effort into trying to stop anyone as a team.

[qrich]

This guy confuses lack of any sort of offensive game for good defense :facepalm

[1~Gibson~1]

It's the" BEST DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE"! How do you allowed 130 points when you're one win away from the NBA Finals? ?? :eek:

[1~Gibson~1]

The Houston Rockets shot 56.6%, 53.1% from 3.

Golden State 45.4%, 44% from 3.

:roll:

Dat defense dooooe.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

One game and this guy starts melting down.

Epic :oldlol:

[Young X]

It's the" BEST DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE"! How do you allowed 130 points when you're one win away from the NBA Finals? ?? :eek:Because it's just one game? Did you not see what they did against Houston in game 3?

Cavs would lose in the 1st round out west.

[1~Gibson~1]

Its been happening thoughout the playoffs in the West. I used that game as an example because that was the game that i was currently watching.

The West's defense is overrated. Leads to a lot of regular season wins, but it turns out that the Western conference is just filled with more pretenders than the East.

After round one, the west and east had 3 contenders and 1 pretender. each....:sleeping:sleeping:sleeping

[Legends66NBA7]

After round one, the west and east had 3 contenders and 1 pretender. each.

No they didn't.

Washington, Atlanta, Chicago, and Memphis weren't contenders. There's really only 3-4 teams that can seriously contend and more of them are in the West.

[chazzy]

OP doesn't know the difference between good offense and bad defense

[Cleverness]

OP doesn't know the difference between good offense and bad defense

this.

also

East vs West this season: 187-263

[bond10]

....with respect to the fact that most of the all-nba defensive team is from the west, this is a TEAM sport.

NBA PLAYOFF Statistics:

Opponents Field Goal % Per Game

Four of the top five are from the Eastern Conference.
40.7% Chicago Bulls*
41.1% Cleveland Cavaliers*
42.3% Washington Wizards*
42.6% Atlanta Hawks
42.8% Golden State Warriors*

Four of the bottom five are from the Western Conference.
48.2% Toronto Raptors
46.6% Dallas Mavericks
46.6% San Antonio Spurs
46.4% Houston Rockets**
44.9% New Orleans Pelicans

Opponents Points Per Game

Three of the top five are from the Eastern Conference.
92.6 Chicago Bulls*
92.9 Cleveland Cavaliers*
94.3 Golden State Warriors*
96.0 Memphis Grizzlies*
96.9 Atlanta Hawks**

Four of the bottom five are from the Western Conference.
114.2 Dallas Mavericks
110.8 Houston Rockets
110.3 Toronto Raptors
108.8 New Orleans Pelicans
106.4 Los Angeles Clippers**

*denotes contender
**denotes pretender

Stop overrating the Western Conference and their jr. high defenses. The East is just as competitive, with more emphasis on defense.


That's really nice color coding. :applause:

[qrich]

This rage

[HurricaneKid]

The ****?

The Spurs had the 2nd best defense this year.

Both the Spurs and Clippers would at worst make the conference finals in the East...with both likely beating this hobbled Cavs team.

The East ended up having 1 team capable of getting out of the first round in the West.

It's a joke.

To be fair, the Mavs, Pels and Blazers were a mess and would have lost to any of the top 4 East teams.

For all the talk of how tough it was going to be to come out of the west the Dubs are going to go through the Pels, the Grizzles (with a broken faced Conley and Allen both missing games), then Houston without its starting PG (who is an excellent defender and would have given Curry far more trouble than JET), and the starting 4 in Motie.

Houston looks better than I ever gave them credit for but its not exactly the gauntlet of OKC with Ibaka and Durant coming back, then LAC, then SAS as it looked a week before the end of the season.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Mavs are/were a mess.

Pelicans kind of fell their way into the playoffs with all of OKC's injuries. I wouldn't call them a mess. More an unfinished product, maybe a year ahead of their timeline, with a top 5 player (who played like it in his first playoffs).

Blazers dealing with too many injuries going into the playoffs. How do you have all your SGs get injured at the same time? :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

To be fair, the Mavs, Pels and Blazers were a mess and would have lost to any of the top 4 East teams.

For all the talk of how tough it was going to be to come out of the west the Dubs are going to go through the Pels, the Grizzles (with a broken faced Conley and Allen both missing games), then Houston without its starting PG (who is an excellent defender and would have given Curry far more trouble than JET), and the starting 4 in Motie.

Houston looks better than I ever gave them credit for but its not exactly the gauntlet of OKC with Ibaka and Durant coming back, then LAC, then SAS as it looked a week before the end of the season.

I disagree about the Mavs, Pels, and Blazers...easy to look like a mess when you are playing elite teams.

Also, what the hell were the top 4 teams in the East then? The Cavs were/are injured and Lebron literally can't shoot, the Bulls were a joke, these Hawks have been slumping for months...and the Wizards aren't scary at all.

And a teams road to the finals doesn't make or break how good a conference is. Of course the Dubs have lucked out, but that doesn't make the Spurs and Clippers worse teams or something. Just the Warriors lucky to not have to face them.

There just isn't a team in the East right now that is scary at all outside of the Cavs...and really we don't know much about the Cavs without Love/Kyrie. For all we know...they aren't very good and they are just beating up on scrub teams.