Cities in the southwest are quite nice.

[Akrazotile]

It's interesting how pleasant the cities in the southwest are. Cities like San Diego, Phoenix, Santa Fe.

Being relatively new and thus modern and well-laid out, as well as being in warm climates certainly helps.

But there's also a fundamental difference I just can't quite put my finger on, that separates them in quality from cities like Chicago, DC, New Orleans, Baltimore and so on.


Hm. What could it be...

[Akrazotile]

Oh, lol, I know. They don't have huge swaths of ghetto neighborhoods. That's what it is.

Now, beta cuck libs, like DeuceWallaces, take your moment to falsely, misguidedly, accuse me of being a "racist" because you don't have anything more intelligent to say.

Everyone else, lettuce continue:

The problem, of course, isn't the color of anyone's skin. It is that currently, neighborhoods that are predominantly black in the United States, have an indisputably toxic culture. And it's not simply about a lack of income. The aforementioned southwestern cities all have lower-income, working class neighborhoods which are largely Latino, and they don't have the same degree of crime and degradation. I mean even in smaller cities like Buffalo and Rochester, which have sections of poor, black, ghetto communities, you literally hear of a homicide every single day on the news. Usually more than one. And all sorts of other violent crime. These neighborhoods are atrocious. That is a fact. And observing it doesn't make you racist.

"But-but-but people need betterer jobs. You can't make a living flipping burgers!"

Then don't. Burger flipping is for high school and college kids, or mothers looking for part time income to contribute, or people who want to work their way up to manager and beyond. Burger flipping is not a career. Nobody trying to support a family should be doing it. Even without a college education or a prestigious family connections you can be a postman, a car salesman, a mechanic, a construction worker, a police officer, many things which pay a livable salary. People who rob liquor stores and sell drugs do so by choice. They either want to do things the easy way or they're convinced it's a glamorous lifestyle.

It's time for betas to stop making excuses to defend the black community from any and all potential criticism, and it's time for everyone to begin discussing what can be done about these communities going forward. And with REAL, PRACTICAL solutions. Not lots of lugubrious liberal crying about the days of slavery and how burger flipping doesn't support families. Do you understand, you beta cuck liberal ******s?

[qrich]

Phoenix (well Maricopa County) has plenty of ghetto neighborhoods though

Apache Junction is horrid
Guadalupe
19th/Camelback area
All around Grand Canyon University
Central/Baseline area
Maryvale

[Akrazotile]

Phoenix (well Maricopa County) has plenty of ghetto neighborhoods though

Apache Junction is horrid
Guadalupe
19th/Camelback area
All around Grand Canyon University
Central/Baseline area
Maryvale


For sure, I was probably hyperbole-heavy in trying to make my point, although I can definitely say the downtown city part was much nicer than some of these other major cities that have crappy neighborhoods crowded around them and spilling into them. I drove throughout downtown Phoenix and around its general vicinity and didn't see any areas that didn't look clean, and safe to walk through. But granted I probably shouldn't have extrapolated that to being the case throughout the whole greater phoenix area.

Still, at least from what I observed, the people who want to be ghetto are left to do so away from the main city center. Other cities could and should learn from that, methinks. I'm tired of American cities having such tedious, crime-riddled ghetto elements.

[Akrazotile]

Phoenix (well Maricopa County) has plenty of ghetto neighborhoods though

Apache Junction is horrid
Guadalupe
19th/Camelback area
All around Grand Canyon University
Central/Baseline area
Maryvale


Which area is this referring to? I actually stayed at a gorgeous embassy suites literally on 24th and Camelback. There's a country club behind it, a Whole Foods and LA Fitness down the street, steak houses and haute fashion boutiques etc. It's like a super nice area. And the 19th and Camelback intersection is just a few blocks down in the same area. I assume that can't be what you're referring to...?

[Jailblazers7]

What do black neighborhoods have to do with how nice a city is as a tourist? You plan on visiting the south side of Chicago when you're in town? Gentrification is basically always going to push poor people out of the regions that most tourists will see.

*OP spends a night in Phoenix*

Wow this place is so much nicer than the eastern cities because less poor black people.

[Akrazotile]

What do black neighborhoods have to do with how nice a city is as a tourist? You plan on visiting the south side of Chicago when you're in town? Gentrification is basically always going to push poor people out of the regions that most tourists will see.

*OP spends a night in Phoenix*

Wow this place is so much nicer than the eastern cities because less poor black people.


Sure, it was a bit of a hasty reaction thread. But I was just looking at Phoenix, and thinking about the riots in Baltimore and gang violence in Chicago, and wondering why we ****ing put up with this ghetto bullshit. Either come up with a solution to improve them (hint: welfare doesn't do it) or just bulldoze them.

And honestly, it's not like I was only in some posh, well-to-do suburb outside the city. The whole downtown area was much nicer than what you see in a lot of northeastern cities, and it has to do with the quality of neighborhoods surrounding it. I'm not trying to indict all black people in this, of course, but it's no secret that when communities are both lower income and black, they are unflinchingly the worst places in the country. By far. Not even remotely close.

I guess my question for you is, how come you never, ever talk about it unless it is to attack my discussion methods when I bring the subject up?

Why don't you ever seem to actually care about how bad these communities are? Isn't that more important than my rhetorical style?

[qrich]

Which area is this referring to? I actually stayed at a gorgeous embassy suites literally on 24th and Camelback. There's a country club behind it, a Whole Foods and LA Fitness down the street, steak houses and haute fashion boutiques etc. It's like a super nice area. And the 19th and Camelback intersection is just a few blocks down in the same area. I assume that can't be what you're referring to...?

Should've made it clear.

19th Ave / Camelback. Pretty sure you were by 19th St / Camelback.

Once you get into the Ave's and closer to the 17 FWY, you'll see it.

[Akrazotile]

Should've made it clear.

19th Ave / Camelback. Pretty sure you were by 19th St / Camelback.

Once you get into the Ave's and closer to the 17 FWY, you'll see it.


True that. Also, it looks like Apache Junction and some of those places are pretty far outside the city. I guess that's really my main issue. You can't stop some people from being trashy or ghetto, but at least remove them far away from the main cities.

That's what we do with white people. The ones who wanna smoke meth till their teeth fall out and tattoo their face, they get pushed way out into the boonies. That's where we need to shift all these inner city ghetto communities.

[Jailblazers7]

Sure, it was a bit of a hasty reaction thread. But I was just looking at Phoenix, and thinking about the riots in Baltimore and gang violence in Chicago, and wondering why we ****ing put up with this ghetto bullshit. Either come up with a solution to improve them (hint: welfare doesn't do it) or just bulldoze them.

And honestly, it's not like I was only in some posh, well-to-do suburb outside the city. The whole downtown area was much nicer than what you see in a lot of northeastern cities, and it has to do with the quality of neighborhoods surrounding it. I'm not trying to indict all black people in this, of course, but it's no secret that when communities are both lower income and black, they are unflinchingly the worst places in the country. By far. Not even remotely close.

I guess my question for you is, how come you never, ever talk about it unless it is to attack my discussion methods when I bring the subject up?

Why don't you ever seem to actually care about how bad these communities are? Isn't that more important than my rhetorical style?

You are just easy to pick on because you make such ridiculous arguments in threads like this. And I don't post about this stuff because I honestly don't know enough about these issues to contribute a lot. I'll follow what experts like demographers and shot say on twitter but that's as close as I get to contributing.

And honestly, a lot of cities are different based on the way things are set up. Pittsburgh's downtown is very quiet and safe at night because there isn't a lot of residential space or affordable night life options.

[Akrazotile]

You are just easy to pick on because you make such ridiculous arguments in threads like this. And I don't post about this stuff because I honestly don't know enough about these issues to contribute a lot. I'll follow what experts like demographers and shot say on twitter but that's as close as I get to contributing.

And honestly, a lot of cities are different based on the way things are set up. Pittsburgh's downtown is very quiet and safe at night because there isn't a lot of residential space or affordable night life options.


So you dont want to bother to analyze or contribute to the issue yourself, why then are you always so concerned with how I choose to articulate MY concern for the issue?

[Lensanity]

Phoenix (well Maricopa County) has plenty of ghetto neighborhoods though

Apache Junction is horrid
Guadalupe
19th/Camelback area
All around Grand Canyon University
Central/Baseline area
Maryvale

They really aren't that dangerous. There isn't a large city in the US without bad areas. Bad areas of Phoenix really aren't that bad at all considering it is a metro area of 3.5 million people.

[Akrazotile]

Yea, camelback is one of those places that is super ghetto, then turns into super nice parts lol. I love it here in Phoenix tho. There is plenty to do and it's relatively cheap to live here. Only gripe people have is the summer, but honestly it's not all that bad.


Im actually traveling on a budget but I was able to stay at this GORGEOUS embassy suites biltmore on camelback in scottsdale for only 110 bucks on a saturday night. Someone told me the rates just plummet in summer. I guess during peak seasons it can be upwards of 300 a night but right now the rates are crazy low. And I mean this place was a legit suite, had a separate living room with a couch and eazy chair, fridge, bedroom had a nice balcony, free made to order breakfast with omelettes and pancakes in the morning, free drinks in the lounge at happy hour. Huge coy pond full of fish in the lobby. And for 110 a night. Cheaper than a basic room with a bed and desk at most hyatt/marriot/sheraton places. Man, I didnt wanna leave :( :oldlol:

[KevinNYC]

What do black neighborhoods have to do with how nice a city is as a tourist? You plan on visiting the south side of Chicago when you're in town? Gentrification is basically always going to push poor people out of the regions that most tourists will see.

*OP spends a night in Phoenix*

Wow this place is so much nicer than the eastern cities because less poor black people.
Also Santa Fe is new?

[Akrazotile]

Also Santa Fe is new?


Nah Kev, the Whole Foods on Cerrillos Rd was established by ranchers in the late 1800s. Rumor has it Billy the Kid once held up the joint and made off with a huge sack full of gluten free, 100% local veggie chips. :rolleyes:


Obviously the metropolized downtown areas are newer compared to cities in the east and midwest.

[Jailblazers7]

So you dont want to bother to analyze or contribute to the issue yourself, why then are you always so concerned with how I choose to articulate MY concern for the issue?

Because it's stupid.

[Dresta]

What do black neighborhoods have to do with how nice a city is as a tourist? You plan on visiting the south side of Chicago when you're in town? Gentrification is basically always going to push poor people out of the regions that most tourists will see.

*OP spends a night in Phoenix*

Wow this place is so much nicer than the eastern cities because less poor black people.Dunno: in plenty of US cities this kind of shit is just evident - ever been to downtown LA at night, for example? Not exactly a poor part of town, but does look rather poverty-stricken and grim after sun-down.

[warriorfan]

Dunno: in plenty of US cities this kind of shit is just evident - ever been to downtown LA at night, for example? Not exactly a poor part of town, but does look rather poverty-stricken and grim after sun-down.


100 bucks says this cat has never been to LA in his life :lol