US Government caught creating ISIS to establish control in Syria

[JerrySeinfeld]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad

Where's the media at on this one?

Can't say I'm surprised. Your government would never lie to you, would they? :roll:

[Nick Young]

Everyone already knows about this for years-except you apparently:roll: :roll: :roll:


Remember when USA and Obama were trying to convince the world that Assad was the evil dictator and ISIS were noble freedom fighters?:roll: :roll: :roll:

[LEFT4DEAD]

Well, what have you thought? Its a well known fact that ISIS is an American product, and is the result of all of those wars USA started on the Middle East.

[NumberSix]

Well, what have you thought? Its a well known fact that ISIS is an American product, and is the result of all of those wars USA started on the Middle East.
It's weird how after WWII there was no German ISIS or Japanese ISIS.

[9erempiree]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad

Where's the media at on this one?

Can't say I'm surprised. Your government would never lie to you, would they? :roll:

Source? :lol :facepalm


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[NumberSix]

Source? :lol :facepalm


http://s9.postimg.org/rfuqwg1wv/Untitled.png
Lol. The source is a character who is so fictional, that he doesn't even actually exist in the movie he features in.

[9erempiree]

The United States didn't create Islamic State, Islamic State has been around for a long time. It is a type of Muslim government that practices Sharia Law. There are a lot of Islamic State countries that existed long before.

[LJJ]

This is the oldest news ever. We knew from the beginning the US championed the "moderate, secular, independent" FSA rebels which turned out to be mostly Islamist and mostly turned into IS.

Turns out all these forces in the ME trying to overthrow secular regimes are heavily funded extremist Islamic jihadi movements. Who would have known? Especially after we've seen it time again and again over decades. Just because some of you idiots drank the koolaid in regards to Assad and in regards to the Syrian rebels doesn't mean it's suddenly news the US funded the rebels and wanted to oust Assad.

[9erempiree]

This is the oldest news ever. We knew from the beginning the US championed the "moderate, secular, independent" FSA rebels which turned out to be mostly Islamist and mostly turned into IS.

Turns out all these forces in the ME trying to overthrow secular regimes are heavily funded extremist Islamic jihadi movements. Who would have known? Especially after we've seen it time again and again over decades. Just because some of you idiots drank the koolaid in regards to Assad and in regards to the Syrian rebels doesn't mean it's suddenly news the US funded the rebels and wanted to oust Assad.

The first Islamic State founded by Muhammad in 622 CE.

Sure buddy, US created them. :rolleyes:

[Nick Young]

The first Islamic State founded by Muhammad in 622 CE.

Sure buddy, US created them. :rolleyes:
fact.

[aj1987]

Lol. The source is a character who is so fictional, that he doesn't even actually exist in the movie he features in.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Nick Young]

Islamic terrorism was founded long before the US existed.

The religion was founded and spread on the back of terrorism. The prophet and creator of the religion himself was a terrorist who advocated and practiced terrorism during his own life time, and encouraged his followers to do the same. He also encouraged zealotry in his followers.

In his own holy book that he wrote, there are several verses promoting the use of terrorism to spread Islam.

Islamic terrorism existed for over 1000 years before the United States of America even existed.

http://i.imgur.com/3bt0VYJ.jpg

[LJJ]

Islamic terrorism was founded long before the US existed.

This is true. Islamic terrorism in itself has nothing to do with the US, it will be there regardless if the US is involved or not.

BUT the US has never been afraid to try and use whatever evil force for their own benefit. The rebels in Syria are just one in a long list of despicable groups and despots the US has supported. You would hope the US wouldn't want to coax Syria into a horrific civil war just because Assad aligns with Russia, but there you go. They did. US doesn't give a ****.

At the same time all the US did was give a little nudge. The US are never the primary bad guy here, but they were on the bad side.

[Nick Young]

US doesn't give a ****.

Yes. You are finally beginning to understand US foreign policy. Unfortunately, that's what it takes to become the top dog and empire in the world. You have to be brutal. Our foreign policy is built on the foundations laid down by Julius Caesar, Ghengis Khan and Cesare Borgia.

US isn't interested in winning the niceness awards, though they win that too by always donating the most money to foreign national disasters. USA is only interested in winning and they will do it by whatever means necessary.


USA is basically Batman.

[NumberSix]

Yes. You are finally beginning to understand US foreign policy. Unfortunately, that's what it takes to become the top dog and empire in the world. You have to be brutal. Our foreign policy is built on the foundations laid down by Julius Caesar, Ghengis Khan and Cesare Borgia.

US isn't interested in winning the niceness awards, though they win that too by always donating the most money to foreign national disasters. USA is only interested in winning and they will do it by whatever means necessary.


USA is basically Batman.
Lol. Why do people always talk about imperialism an the USA?

Where is the empire? What countries is the USA occupying and ruling over? Should Canada be worried about being conquered by the empire?

[fiddy]

Yes. You are finally beginning to understand US foreign policy. Unfortunately, that's what it takes to become the top dog and empire in the world. You have to be brutal. Our foreign policy is built on the foundations laid down by Julius Caesar, Ghengis Khan and Cesare Borgia.

US isn't interested in winning the niceness awards, though they win that too by always donating the most money to foreign national disasters. USA is only interested in winning and they will do it by whatever means necessary.


USA is basically Batman. Hopefully mr Putin is kind enough to send you several Топол Мs your way. The world doesnt need dumb humanoid sheep.


Lol. Why do people always talk about imperialism an the USA?

Where is the empire? What countries is the USA occupying and ruling over? Why isn't should Canada be worried about being conquered by the empire? :facepalm

[NumberSix]

:facepalm
Feel free to name some.

The only one you could maybe say is Peurto Rico. And, it's not like they want to be independent of the US.

[fiddy]

Feel free to name some.

The only one you could maybe say is Peurto Rico. And, it's not like they want to be independent of the US.
:facepalmх2

[Nick Young]

Lol. Why do people always talk about imperialism an the USA?

Where is the empire? What countries is the USA occupying and ruling over? Should Canada be worried about being conquered by the empire?
The world blames us for all of their problems and then as soon as an earthquake or tsunami hits, they all turn to us and expect us to fund all of the rescue and aid.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Islamic terrorism was founded long before the US existed.

The religion was founded and spread on the back of terrorism. The prophet and creator of the religion himself was a terrorist who advocated and practiced terrorism during his own life time, and encouraged his followers to do the same. He also encouraged zealotry in his followers.

In his own holy book that he wrote, there are several verses promoting the use of terrorism to spread Islam.

Islamic terrorism existed for over 1000 years before the United States of America even existed.

http://i.imgur.com/3bt0VYJ.jpg
WTF. Todays USA was created on the back of the biggest genocide in human history and you want to discuss terrorism. Name only one conflict today that USA is not a part of and I will leave this discussion forever.
Your dumbness sickens me. :facepalm

[Nick Young]

Lol. Why do people always talk about imperialism an the USA?

Where is the empire? What countries is the USA occupying and ruling over? Should Canada be worried about being conquered by the empire?
financial empire imo breh

[fiddy]

WTF. Todays USA was created on the back of the biggest genocide in human history and you want to discuss terrorism. Name only one conflict today that USA is not a part of and I will leave this discussion forever.
Your dumbness sickens me. :facepalm
Genocide in the U.S.?

[Nick Young]

WTF. Todays USA was created on the back of the biggest genocide in human history and you want to discuss terrorism. Name only one conflict today that USA is not a part of and I will leave this discussion forever.
Your dumbness sickens me. :facepalm
I'm not allowed to discuss terrorism because of the genocide of native Americans?

[Nick Young]

Genocide in the U.S.?
Native American Genocide breh. up to 100 million dead.

[LEFT4DEAD]

I'm not allowed to discuss terrorism because of the genocide of native Americans?
Your country is founded on the back of biggest genocide in history, and yall have it in your blood. You are involved in every conflict in modern age, and you are by far most responsible for all of them.
Pakistan, Yemen, Gaza, Syria, Lybia, Ukraine, Iraq, Afganistan... I red this morning that Americans have problem with China's building the lighthouses in South Chinesse Sea??? WTF? What does USA have to do with South Chinesse Sea?

Most blood today is on your hand and it wont change no matter what you say, and the world is starting to get enough of your involving in everything and everywhere.

[fiddy]

Native American Genocide breh. up to 100 million dead.
Allegedly*, killed backwards indian tribes. Who gives a shit? Commnist regime is responsible for 100 million deaths in the 20th century after the WW2.

[fiddy]

Your country is founded on the back of biggest genocide in history, and yall have it in your blood. You are involved in every conflict in modern age, and you are by far most responsible for all of them.
Pakistan, Yemen, Gaza, Syria, Lybia, Ukraine, Iraq, Afganistan... I red this morning that Americans have problem with China's building the lighthouses in South Chinesse Sea??? WTF? What does USA have to do with South Chinesse Sea?

Most blood today is on your hand and it wont change no matter what you say, and the world is starting to get enough of your involving in everything and everywhere.
I agree with some of your points, however, i do believe that China is bullying everyone in the region on that one. Still none of U.S. business.
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http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/em55630cb0.jpg

[Nick Young]

Your country is founded on the back of biggest genocide in history, and yall have it in your blood. You are involved in every conflict in modern age, and you are by far most responsible for all of them.
Pakistan, Yemen, Gaza, Syria, Lybia, Ukraine, Iraq, Afganistan... I red this morning that Americans have problem with China's building the lighthouses in South Chinesse Sea??? WTF? What does USA have to do with South Chinesse Sea?

Most blood today is on your hand and it wont change no matter what you say, and the world is starting to get enough of your involving in everything and everywhere.
wrong dumbass. My family came to US after the native Americans were gone. No blood on my hands, you psychotic terrorism supporting zealot.

[NumberSix]

Native American Genocide breh. up to 100 million dead.
What genocide?

The native Americans were wiped out by disease from Europeans, just like how half of Europe was wiped out by disease from Asia from contact with Mongol invaders.

Does anybody accuse the mongols of committing genocide against the Europeans? No, because they didn't. Only a moron would argue that they did. They couldn't have possibly known that mere contact with them would spread germs that they didn't even know they had because they were immune and kill people who weren't immune.

Of course, retarded people will believe that Europeans infected Natives on purpose, because you know, apparently European settlers somehow knew how to spread diseases they didn't even know they had in a time period where most people believed that disease was caused by breathing in bits of rotten air.


And apparently, there were 100 million native Americans, even the the population of the entire world at the time was less than 400 million. Of corse.

[Nick Young]

The native Americans were wiped out by disease from Europeans, just like how half of Europe was wiped out by disease from Asia from contact with Mongol invaders.

Does anybody accuse the mongols of committing genocide against the Europeans? No, because they didn't. Only a moron would argue that they did. They couldn't have possibly known that mere contact with them would spread germs that they didn't even know they had because they were immune and kill people who weren't immune.

Of course, retarded people will believe that Europeans infected Natives on purpose, because you know, apparently European settlers somehow knew how to spread diseases they didn't even know they had in a time period where most people believed that disease was caused by breathing in bits of rotten air.
I generally am more on your side on this.

Still, that is the argument other people use-and say disease spreading was intentional.

In some cases it perhaps was, but this was not organized genocide IMO.

Still unfortunate what happened to those people. The ones who survive now have casinos and seem ok with the arrangement generally.

[fiddy]

wrong dumbass. My family came to US after the native Americans were gone. No blood on my hands, you psychotic terrorism supporting zealot.
Were your parents/grandparents in the U.S. during the WW2? Becaause those bombs in Japan were the definition of terrorism.

[NumberSix]

I generally am more on your side on this.

Still, that is the argument other people use-and say disease spreading was intentional.

In some cases it perhaps was, but this was not organized genocide IMO.

Still unfortunate what happened to those people. The ones who survive now have casinos and seem ok with the arrangement generally.
The native Americans are still around. Most of them are just inaccurately referred to an "Latinos" or "Hispanics" or "Mexicans" because the Spanish empire forced them to speak Spanish instead of their own native languages.

[Nick Young]

Were your parents/grandparents in the U.S. during the WW2? Becaause those bombs in Japan were the definition of terrorism.
Japan was warned it was going to happen before it happened and given multiple chances to surrender.

I'm not going to morally judge the dropping of the atomic bombs and fire bombing of Tokyo and Kyoto but at the time everyone was happy with the decision as they believed the war would go on for years more if they didn't do it.

[Nick Young]

The native Americans are still around. Most of them are just inaccurately referred to an "Latinos" or "Hispanics" or "Mexicans" because the Spanish empire forced them to speak Spanish instead of their own native languages.
Also Native American reservations and casinos in north America. And in Canada they have their own province called Nunavut.

[NumberSix]

Were your parents/grandparents in the U.S. during the WW2? Becaause those bombs in Japan were the definition of terrorism.
Wrong again. :facepalm

Before the US used the nukes, the MAJORITY of of the population of all major cities in Japan had died. That being the case, Japan STILL would not surrender. They wouldn't let go of their hope that they could still possibly win the war.

America had a tough decision. Continue to wipe out the population of Japan in hopes that Japan might eventually surrender or show Japan that it's over, they can't possibly win and convince them to surrender now for the sake of the people you still have left.

They made the right choice. The chose the least terrible of the horrible options available.

[Dresta]

I already posted this in the other thread:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11390044&postcount=397

It's not that they created ISIS, but that there is clear documentation of the fact that the US had intelligence about the danger of IS and the likelihood of it creating an Islamic State (and the fact that the bulk of anti-Assad fighters were Islamists), while they were trying to convince the public (in UK & US) that Assad was the threat, that there was this imaginary force of 'moderate rebels' which we were going to equip, and so on.

This intelligence document shows that this wasn't simply a mistake, but proves it a barefaced and manipulative lie. It shows that they knew IS to be a huge threat to the region, but they saw it as a strategic asset rather than as an enemy.

It's interesting how the CIA has never for a minute stopped using these fanatics to destabilise people they don't like. First in Afghanistan, then straight into Azerbaijan and Chechnya, then in Bosnia, Libya and Syria (likely forgetting a few).

[fiddy]

Wrong again. :facepalm

Before the US used the nukes, the MAJORITY of of the population of all major cities in Japan had died. That being the case, Japan STILL would not surrender. They wouldn't let go of their hope that they could still possibly win the war.

America had a tough decision. Continue to wipe out the population of Japan in hopes that Japan might eventually surrender or show Japan that it's over, they can't possibly win and convince them to surrender now for the sake of the people you still have left.

They made the right choice. The chose the least terrible of the horrible options available.

:biggums::biggums:

[LEFT4DEAD]

Wrong again. :facepalm

Before the US used the nukes, the MAJORITY of of the population of all major cities in Japan had died. That being the case, Japan STILL would not surrender. They wouldn't let go of their hope that they could still possibly win the war.

America had a tough decision. Continue to wipe out the population of Japan in hopes that Japan might eventually surrender or show Japan that it's over, they can't possibly win and convince them to surrender now for the sake of the people you still have left.

They made the right choice. The chose the least terrible of the horrible options available.
:lol :lol :lol this cant be for real, can it? :roll:

[KevinNYC]

It took me about 4 minutes to find the Medium article the Zero Hedge post is based on. Zero Hedge goes waaaaaaaay beyond the Medium article. There is zero in there about the US creating ISIS, the roots of which go back to Jordan before the Iraq war.

After reading the Medium article, it took me two minutes to find the referenced document.

The Medium article goes beyond what the declassified document says.

The document is an analysis of what was going on in Syria in Aug 2012 OR a year after the war broke out and a year and a half after Syria troops opened fire on protesters. It's labelled as an "information report, not finally evaluated intelligence." We now that know that is seems to very accurate and prescient intelligence. The document notes that the Syrian civil was is a proxy war and has taken on a sectarian direction. Later on it makes a few assumptions which sound like competing scenarios


7. THE FUTURE ASSUMPTIONS OF THE CRISIS:
A. THE REGIME WILL SURVIVE AND HAVE CONTROL OVER SYRIAN TERRITORY.
B. DEVELOPMENT OF THE CURRENT EVENTS INTO PROXY WAR: WITH SUPPORT FROM RUSSIA, CHINA, AND IRAN, THE REGIME IS CONTROLLING THE AREAS OF INFLUENCE ALONG COASTAL TERRITORIES (TARTUS AND LATAKIA), AND IS FIERCELY DEFENDING HOMS, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE PRIMARY TRANSPORTATION ROUTE IN SYRIA. ON THE OTHER HAND, OPPOSITION FORCES ARE TRYING TO CONTROL THE EASTERN AREAS (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), ADJACENT TO THE WESTERN IRAQI PROVINCES (MOSUL AND ANBAR), IN ADDITION TO NEIGHBORING TURKISH BORDERS. WESTERN COUNTRIES, THE GULF STATES AND TURKEY ARE SUPPORTING THESE EFFORTS. THIS HYPOTHESIS IS MOST LIKELY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DATA FROM RECENT EVENTS, WHICH WILL HELP PREPARE SAFE HAVENS UNDER INTERNATIONAL SHELTERING, SIMILAR TO WHAT TRANSPIRED IN LIBYA WHEN BENGHAZI WAS CHOSEN AS THE COMMAND CENTER OF THE TEMPORARY GOVERNMENT.
8. THE EFFECTS ON IRAQ:
A. {REDACTED} SYRIAN REGIME BORDER FORCES RETREATED FROM THE BORDER AND THE OPPOSITION FORCES (SYRIAN FREE ARMY) TOOK OVER THE POSTS AND RAISED THEIR FLAG. THE IRAQI BORDER GUARD FORCES ARE FACING A BORDER WITH SYRIA THAT IS NOT GUARDED BY OFFICIAL ELEMENTS WHICH PRESENTS A DANGEROUS AND SERIOUS THREAT.
B. THE OPPOSITION FORCES WILL TRY TO USE THE IRAQI TERRITORY AS A SAFE HAVEN FOR ITS FORCES TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SYMPATHY OF THE IRAQI BORDER POPULATION, MEANWHILE TRYING TO RECRUIT FIGHTERS AND TRAIN THEM ON THE IRAQI SIDE, IN ADDITION TO HARBORING REFUGEES (SYRIA).
C. IF THE SITUATION UNRAVELS THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE STRATEGIC DEPTH OF THE SHiA EXPANSION (IRAQ AND IRAN).
D. THE DETERIORATION OF THE SITUATION HAS DIRE CONSEQUENCES ON THE IRAQI SITUATION AND ARE AS FOLLOWS:
1. THIS CREATES THE IDEAL ATMOSPHERE FOR AQI TO RETURN TO ITS OLD POCKETS IN MOSUL AND RAMADI, AND WILL PROVIDE A RENEWED MOMENTUM UNDER THE PRESUMPTION OF UNIFYING THE JIHAD AMONG SUNNI IRAQ AND SYRIA, AND THE REST OF THE SUNNIS IN THE ARAB WORLD AGAINST WHAT IT CONSIDERS ONE ENEMY, THE DISSENTERS. ISI COULD ALSO DECLARE AN ISLAMIC STATE THROUGH ITS UNION WITH OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA, WHICH WILL CREATE GRAVE DANGER IN REGARDS TO UNIFYING IRAQ AND THE PROTECTION OF ITS TERRITORY.
2. {REDACTED}
3. THE RENEWING FACILITATION OF TERRORIST ELEMENTS FROM ALL OVER THE ARAB WORLD ENTERING INTO THE IRAQ AREA.

[KevinNYC]

One thing that is completely missing from this document? Any inference that the US is influencing let alone controlling events in Syria in August 2012. Basically the document is observing what other folks are doing.

[Godzuki]

Your country is founded on the back of biggest genocide in history, and yall have it in your blood. You are involved in every conflict in modern age, and you are by far most responsible for all of them.
Pakistan, Yemen, Gaza, Syria, Lybia, Ukraine, Iraq, Afganistan... I red this morning that Americans have problem with China's building the lighthouses in South Chinesse Sea??? WTF? What does USA have to do with South Chinesse Sea?

Most blood today is on your hand and it wont change no matter what you say, and the world is starting to get enough of your involving in everything and everywhere.


lol lighthouses, they've established military bases on those islands and claimed it their territory which is in dispute with the other azn nations adjacent to it. they're creating land masses with trench digging boats working 24/7 to strategically expand their territory. they're basically bullying and provoking the other countries with threat of force who rely on the US to be their military force.

the US have treaty with a lot of nations around the world to be their protector. the Japanese for example agreed not to throw money into military power with the understanding US/UK would protect them militarily. same with Skorea having protection under US treaty. same with some of those boats being fukked with on trading routes near Iran. thats why we get involved.

we're like the world's champion fending for the weak against those trying to bully them to maintain peace :pimp:

yeah we get mixed up in shit that backfires, but at least we try...most countries don't. it makes me laugh how stupid mf'ers here pretend we'''re so bad and pretend Iraq, Iran, Nkorea, Syria, etc. were/are so unfairly treated by us, and make us out to be worse. its usually dumbass 3rd world foreigners :facepalm the muslim nations with their radical extremism that tries to dictate beyond their territories need to be put down. only a idiot would think we shoulld leave them alone...

[NumberSix]

The whole issue is that China is trying to tell people they aren't allowed to fly over international waters. Creating a man made island in international water doesn't suddenly make it Chinese territory. It's like building a house on public property then trying to claim its your private property.

[LEFT4DEAD]

lol lighthouses, they've established military bases on those islands and claimed it their territory which is in dispute with the other azn nations adjacent to it. they're creating land masses with trench digging boats working 24/7 to strategically expand their territory. they're basically bullying and provoking the other countries with threat of force who rely on the US to be their military force.

the US have treaty with a lot of nations around the world to be their protector. the Japanese for example agreed not to throw money into military power with the understanding US/UK would protect them militarily. same with Skorea having protection under US treaty. same with some of those boats being fukked with on trading routes near Iran. thats why we get involved.

we're like the world's champion fending for the weak against those trying to bully them to maintain peace :pimp:

yeah we get mixed up in shit that backfires, but at least we try...most countries don't. it makes me laugh how stupid mf'ers here pretend we'''re so bad and pretend Iraq, Iran, Nkorea, Syria, etc. were/are so unfairly treated by us, and make us out to be worse. its usually dumbass 3rd world foreigners :facepalm the muslim nations with their radical extremism that tries to dictate beyond their territories need to be put down. only a idiot would think we shoulld leave them alone...
Again, what has China and its surroundings to do with USA?

[KingBeasley08]

China is fckin around with a lot of our allies in the region like Japan and South Korea. we got our homies backs

[Nick Young]

Again, what has China and its surroundings to do with USA?
if China steps out of line, best be assured we put them back in line where they belong.

[Derka]

Were your parents/grandparents in the U.S. during the WW2? Becaause those bombs in Japan were the definition of terrorism.
And that reasoning is the definition of brain damage.

[NumberSix]

Again, what has China and its surroundings to do with USA?
China is screwing around with international waters. International water is as much the United States' business as anyone else's.

[Hawker]

Again, what has China and its surroundings to do with USA?

Countries in the region like Singapore support a strong US military presence to balance out China. You think you know what you're talking about but you don't.

[Out_In_Utah]

Lol. The source is a character who is so fictional, that he doesn't even actually exist in the movie he features in.
:lol