Epic MJ story by Antonio Harvey

[andgar923]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2es3ZnBOQs&ab_channel=AaronRoss

The game in question...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShNfeFxij28&ab_channel=ForEmily23

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[Rake2204]

That host did his absolute best to ruin that story.

[Rake2204]

P.S. I remember another story involving Darrick Martin and I'm wondering if maybe it's from the same game now. I always pictured it happening against the Timberwolves, but there was another regarding Jordan saying something about sending Martin back down to the CBA.

[Harison]

That host did his absolute best to ruin that story.
Yeah, he just couldnt shut up. With such BS interruptions I would have lost my thought track, but Harvey didnt, respect.

[f0und]

ive never seen someone feed off being challenged or slighted the way jordan did. he not only rises up to the challenge, he obliterates and humiliates the offender. thats why you hear those stories of people knowing better telling others not to talk to jordan, or to not get him riled up.

like mutombo saying jordan has never dunked on him. jordan goes out and dunks on him and does the finger wag.

or when he dunked on stockton and someone yelled at jordan to dunk on someone his own size. next time down, he dunks on 6'11" mel turping. turns to the dude and says, "is that big enough?"

during his wizard days, he had his first single digit scoring game since the mid 80s. the media was all over it saying he should hang it up. jordan scores 50 the next game.

reggie miller, one of the biggest trash talkers ever, in his rookie year trash talked jordan in their first meeting. jordan went on to rape him. and for the rest of his career, miller never attempted to trash talk jordan ever again.

and probably about a hundred other stories.

[kshutts1]

Seems odd that all of Jordan's stories are of Jordan taking comments and actions highly personally, and acting on those feelings.
Wilt does the same thing and gets hated on for it.
Jordan does the same thing and, in part because of his superior teammates and coach, wins while doing so, and becomes beloved.

[f0und]

Seems odd that all of Jordan's stories are of Jordan taking comments and actions highly personally, and acting on those feelings.
Wilt does the same thing and gets hated on for it.
Jordan does the same thing and, in part because of his superior teammates and coach, wins while doing so, and becomes beloved.

like what? ive never heard of this.

[kshutts1]

like what? ive never heard of this.
:biggums:
People say he couldn't pass, so he leads the league in assists.
People want him to defend, so he goes out and blocks nearly every shot.
People want him to score; he averages 50 ppg.
People thinks he scores too much, so he plays the "Russell role" arguably better than Russell in LA.

From an outsider's view, and 50 years later, Wilt seems to be so self conscious and lost. He didn't seem to know who, or what, he was. He tried to validate himself by being what he thought others wanted.
They wanted him to score? He scored. To pass? He lead the league in assists. To rebound? Yup, did that too. To defend? Blocked shots and lead a team as a primary defensive anchor.

Maybe they're not necessarily "Oh man, someone talked trash, so I'll play hard this game" stories like MJs, but the same basic concept. The media and fans "talked trash" and Wilt responded the only way he knew how... by being better than everyone else.

[FKAri]

Because Jordan was not only talented, he worked hard. People like that. Wilt didn't have that reputation. They don't like guys getting by on their talent.

[kshutts1]

Because Jordan was not only talented, he worked hard. People like that. Wilt didn't have that reputation. They don't like guys getting by on their talent.
Such a misconception. No one gets by on talent alone. Wilt worked harder than almost anyone else. Both on and off the court.

[Marchesk]

Because Jordan was not only talented, he worked hard. People like that. Wilt didn't have that reputation. They don't like guys getting by on their talent.

You mean like Shaq?

[sportjames23]

Lesson learned--do not ****eth with the GOAT.

[SpanishACB]

that host is clearly on cocaine
he even cleans his nose multiple times

totally ruins it

[jstern]

The host is really annoying. It's like, shut up.

[Da_Realist]

:biggums:
People say he couldn't pass, so he leads the league in assists.
People want him to defend, so he goes out and blocks nearly every shot.
People want him to score; he averages 50 ppg.
People thinks he scores too much, so he plays the "Russell role" arguably better than Russell in LA.

From an outsider's view, and 50 years later, Wilt seems to be so self conscious and lost. He didn't seem to know who, or what, he was. He tried to validate himself by being what he thought others wanted.
They wanted him to score? He scored. To pass? He lead the league in assists. To rebound? Yup, did that too. To defend? Blocked shots and lead a team as a primary defensive anchor.

Maybe they're not necessarily "Oh man, someone talked trash, so I'll play hard this game" stories like MJs, but the same basic concept. The media and fans "talked trash" and Wilt responded the only way he knew how... by being better than everyone else.

Except for early in his career, I think winning was always the point of emphasis for MJ. Like in this game, he felt vindicated when he won the game, not because he scored 19 points in the 4th. Vancouver should have won the game but came away with nothing. That was the carrot.

All the situations I can think of involved winning as the main part of the prize.

George Karl told the media MJ didn't drive anymore because he (MJ) felt like he would get hurt. Karl was essentially daring MJ to drive to the hole. MJ still shot jumpshots most of the night (19-28 fgs). He didn't try to prove that he could still drive...he was vindicated when Chicago won the game, not in how or how much he scored.

MJ didn't go from scoring champion to assist champion to rebounding champion every other season to prove a point. He was always the same guy. Sometimes he rose to a challenge, sometimes he fabricated one but he was always the same guy.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I literally stopped watching halfway because of the dorky interviewer. It's like STFU and let Harvey speak.

Could somebody post cliffs? :lol

[kshutts1]

I'm pretty sure MJ would have felt equally vindicated had his team lost the game.

Maybe I'm way, way off base, and I have nothing on which to base this "theory", but I'd say that if Jordan didn't have such a well-built team around him, he would have been another Wilt. Insanely talented individual that shattered records and won rarely, yet still considered an ATG because of his awesome on-court dominance.

Essentially, I'm trying to say that Jordan's "vindication" is more of a personal thought/theory than anything else, and that Jordan would have behaved the same with a good team or a bad team around him. Take away the good team, and he's Wilt. Add in the good team, and he's Jordan.

[kshutts1]

I literally stopped watching halfway because of the dorky interviewer. It's like STFU and let Harvey speak.

Could somebody post cliffs? :lol
Jordan got blocked by Harvey. Mocked by Harvey's teammate. Jordan then scored a lot of points and the Bulls won.

[Da_Realist]

I'm pretty sure MJ would have felt equally vindicated had his team lost the game.

Maybe I'm way, way off base, and I have nothing on which to base this "theory", but I'd say that if Jordan didn't have such a well-built team around him, he would have been another Wilt. Insanely talented individual that shattered records and won rarely, yet still considered an ATG because of his awesome on-court dominance.

Essentially, I'm trying to say that Jordan's "vindication" is more of a personal thought/theory than anything else, and that Jordan would have behaved the same with a good team or a bad team around him. Take away the good team, and he's Wilt. Add in the good team, and he's Jordan.

I don't think so. Even early in his career...his main frustration was that he didn't win. Titles, that is. He said in an interview once that he hated even thinking about the 63 in Boston because they lost the game.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Jordan got blocked by Harvey. Mocked by Harvey's teammate. Jordan then scored a lot of points and the Bulls won.
So another scrap in MJ's scrap book basically? Don't think I missed much. :oldlol:

[jzek]

Can anyone give us a TLDR? Not gonna sit through 5 mins of talk.

[kshutts1]

I don't think so. Even early in his career...his main frustration was that he didn't win. Titles, that is. He said in an interview once that he hated even thinking about the 63 in Boston because they lost the game.
And I'm sure I could find a video/quote of Melo or Howard or Kobe saying he "doesn't care about the money", or that he "only wants to win".

Jordan was one of the first mostly-PC superstars in the league. All the guarded/ho-hum answers today... Jordan was one of the first. Basically, I don't care what anyone says, because they all worry too much about what people think they should say, or what people want them to say.

If Jordan had said "Man, I know we didn't win, but look at that game. Just look at it. Am I awesome or what? I'm probably the greatest scorer ever." ... he wouldn't be wrong, necessarily. But dear god would he be torn apart. And he knew that.

[warriorfan]

turned it off that beta white guy was far too annoying

[Da_Realist]

And I'm sure I could find a video/quote of Melo or Howard or Kobe saying he "doesn't care about the money", or that he "only wants to win".

Jordan was one of the first mostly-PC superstars in the league. All the guarded/ho-hum answers today... Jordan was one of the first. Basically, I don't care what anyone says, because they all worry too much about what people think they should say, or what people want them to say.

If Jordan had said "Man, I know we didn't win, but look at that game. Just look at it. Am I awesome or what? I'm probably the greatest scorer ever." ... he wouldn't be wrong, necessarily. But dear god would he be torn apart. And he knew that.

PC or not, I don't think you'll find a guy more maniacal about winning. It's the single greatest thing that motivated him. He was the supreme competitor. He didn't think he won any challenge without actually winning the game. That was always part of it. Every interview you can find from coaches, teammates, friends, etc bear this out.

[Dro]

P.S. I remember another story involving Darrick Martin and I'm wondering if maybe it's from the same game now. I always pictured it happening against the Timberwolves, but there was another regarding Jordan saying something about sending Martin back down to the CBA.
Its in this same game...The comments on youtube answered it and yeah, thats Martin sitting on the side. Greg Anthony apparently was balling, lol...

[jstern]

Jordan got blocked by Harvey. Mocked by Harvey's teammate. Jordan then scored a lot of points and the Bulls won.

The main point of Harvey's story is that Jordan was having a bad game, had only scored like 12 points, one of the Vancoover player's mocked him about it, Jordan scored 19 points in 6 minutes, and when he hit his final fadeaway Jordan looked at the Vancoover bench and said, "Shut up you little bitch."

[Taller than CP3]

during his wizard days, he had his first single digit scoring game since the mid 80s. the media was all over it saying he should hang it up. jordan scores 50 the next game.

After Jordan scores 50, his next is against the New Jersey Nets and he scores 45 on them in 39 minutes, Jordan also had 10 rebounds, seven assists, and three steals.

[3ball]

After Jordan scores 50, his next is against the Nets and he scores 45 in 39 minutes


And the Nets were the #1 defense in the league in both 2002 season and 2003 season.

[3ball]

The main point of Harvey's story is that Jordan was having a bad game, had only scored like 12 points, one of the Vancoover player's mocked him about it, Jordan scored 19 points in 6 minutes, and when he hit his final fadeaway Jordan looked at the Vancoover bench and said, "Shut up you little bitch."
I remember watching the game... you could see MJ come alive... every play was spectacular display of his skill

[3ball]

Some misinformation itt

[3ball]

Jordan didn't have such a well-built team around him, he would have been another Wilt.

Add in the good team, and he's Jordan.


Ah yes.. It amazes me that Lebron stans aren't capable of comprehending such a simple concept:

The more a player is required score for his team to win, the LESS help he has... 2+2=4... You can't magically fudge the numbers - this is just the way it is.

There's no getting by it - and you guys act like ANYONE could've been plugged into that Bulls team and averaged GOAT scoring average - but only MJ was capable of that high a scoring average.

Try to think about it logically Lebron stan: if the team was built so well around MJ, why they need him to be the GOAT scorer?... By definition, the league's leading scorer doesn't have a team that's built optimally around him - unless you think one player averaging 35 PPG is optimal.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Ah yes.. It amazes me that Lebron stans aren't capable of comprehending such a simple concept:

The more a player is required score for his team to win, the LESS help he has... 2+2=4... You can't magically fudge the numbers - this is just the way it is.

There's no getting by it - and you guys act like ANYONE could've been plugged into that Bulls team and averaged GOAT scoring average - but only MJ was capable of that high a scoring average.

Try to think about it logically Lebron stan: if the team was built so well around MJ, why they need him to be the GOAT scorer?... By definition, the league's leading scorer doesn't have a team that's built optimally around him - unless you think one player averaging 35 PPG is optimal.

Thats not logic, thats mental fixation.

Why give extra shots to teammates when you have the GOAT scorer?

Also, it seems quite clear that you were not old enough to have watched the Bulls if you really think Jordan's cast was really that bad.

At this point, I can't even tell if your trolling or not

[Springsteen]

jesus christ that HOST

[SamuraiSWISH]

Host is annoying, and what MJ told Derek Martin is verbatim what Shawn Marion said to LeBron in the 2011 Finals.

[Mr Feeny]

Host is annoying, and what MJ told Derek Martin is verbatim what Shawn Marion said to LeBron in the 2011 Finals.

And verbatim what Bosh ' s wife told Lebron in a 4th quarter of a game between the Raptors and the Cavs while they were playing for those respective teams. Cavs went on to make a HUGE comeback with Lebron scoring 20 points or so in the fourth and then approached Bosh's girl and told her "you did this. This is your fault. You are responsible for this"

That was a remarkable finish. Poor Bosh, there.