MJ: 10 scoring titles in 11 full seasons as a Bull.

[ClipperRevival]

The only time he didn't win it (full season) was his rookie year. But he wasn't too shabby as he put up 28.2. In 1986 he only played 18 games and in 1995, he only played 17 games.

The rest of the time with the Bulls, the guy won the scoring title. This is what the GOAT does. Complete domination from start to finish. He won his last 3 scoring titles at the age of 33, 34 and 35.

You take away his Wizards years and his career scoring average as a Bull is 31.5 ppg, a whole 1.5 points better than Wilt (who is 2nd all time). And that was with a shooting pct of .505%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

:cheers:

[Out_In_Utah]

It was painful seeing him kill my Jazz, but as time goes by, it is easier to appreciate his greatness.

[dubeta]

The 2nd best scorer that era was basically a Paul George



Not impressed.

[ClipperRevival]

It was painful seeing him kill my Jazz, but as time goes by, it is easier to appreciate his greatness.

It's gotta suck playing in the same era as the GOAT. I always thought the Jazz team of that era was the closest thing to the Spurs of this era in that they never beat themselves and were the most fundamentally sound and disciplined team around. You really had to beat them because they would rarely beat themselves.

But Barkley, Drexler, Magic and Kemp/Payton all fell victim to MJ.

[Prometheus]

More important, and less often mentioned, is that Jordan won ten PLAYOFF scoring titles.

GOAT. gonna. GOAT.

[Dragonyeuw]

The only time he didn't win it (full season) was his rookie year. But he wasn't too shabby as he put up 28.2. In 1986 he only played 18 games and in 1995, he only played 17 games.

And it's more than reasonable, though speculation, to assume he could and would have won both of those scoring titles had he played full seasons. Regardless, you're talking anywhere from 4,000-5,000 points lost which would have put him in striking distance of Kareem. But, can't change history and what-ifs :confusedshrug:

[ClipperRevival]

And it's more than reasonable, though speculation, to assume he could and would have won both of those scoring titles had he played full seasons. Regardless, you're talking anywhere from 4,000-5,000 points lost which would have put him in striking distance of Kareem. But, can't change history and what-ifs :confusedshrug:

I think it's pretty obvious he would've won. I mean besides his rookie year, anytime he played enough games to qualify for the scoring title, he won it, including his last season at the age of 35.

[Dragonyeuw]

I think it's pretty obvious he would've won. I mean besides his rookie year, anytime he played enough games to qualify for the scoring title, he won it, including his last season at the age of 35.

Yep :cheers:

[Beastmode88]

It's gotta suck playing in the same era as the GOAT. I always thought the Jazz team of that era was the closest thing to the Spurs of this era in that they never beat themselves and were the most fundamentally sound and disciplined team around. You really had to beat them because they would rarely beat themselves.

But Barkley, Drexler, Magic and Kemp/Payton all fell victim to MJ.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[sportjames23]

How many scoring titles does Kobe have in 20 years with the Lakers?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Bless Mathews]

Goat gonna goat.

Plain and simple.

And in 11 full seasons , 6 rangs.

Goat of all goats.

[ImKobe]

The 2nd best scorer that era was basically a Paul George



Not impressed.

umm, Malone? Hakeem? D-Rob? Ewing? Barkley? Shaq?

Malone, Hakeem and Shaq are top 10 all-time in scoring as well...

late 80s-90s was the era where the dominant scorers were mostly big men, but you also had guys like Drexler, Glen Rice, Reggie Miller, Penny, Kevin Johnson, Grant Hill, Chris Mullin, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Nique, who were elite perimeter players and could drop 20-30 on any given night.

Big men dominated most of the era, which makes MJ's 6 titles even greater.

You had multiple bigs that averaged 30 a game in some seasons and post-seasons, you had tons of elite perimeter defenders and multiple guys that averaged 20+ points/10+ assists/2+ steals a game...Chris Paul is the only point guard in recent memory that can do that consistently in this era.

Today's league has shifted from the front court to the perimeter due to all the rule changes and lack of talent on that end, but the 90s had even more overall talent to me when I look back.

[hawke812]

The only time he didn't win it (full season) was his rookie year. But he wasn't too shabby as he put up 28.2. In 1986 he only played 18 games and in 1995, he only played 17 games.

The rest of the time with the Bulls, the guy won the scoring title. This is what the GOAT does. Complete domination from start to finish. He won his last 3 scoring titles at the age of 33, 34 and 35.

You take away his Wizards years and his career scoring average as a Bull is 31.5 ppg, a whole 1.5 points better than Wilt (who is 2nd all time). And that was with a shooting pct of .505%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

:cheers:

Expansion era.

[jzek]

Reason #457 why MJ is the unanimous GOAT.

[ClipperRevival]

GOAT gonna do what GOAT does.

[inclinerator]

he was definitely the best of his era

[DMV2]

6 seasons resulted in winning a ring, FMVP, and scoring title
4 seasons resulted in winning a ring, FMVP, MVP and scoring title.

[DonDadda59]

6 seasons resulted in winning a ring, FMVP, and scoring title
4 seasons resulted in winning a ring, FMVP, MVP and scoring title.

:bowdown:

In '88 Jordan won virtually every individual award that a player could- MVP, DPOY, scoring title, steals title, first team All NBA, first team All NBA defense, ASG MVP, Dunk Contest, and was the first player to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season.

[houston]

It's gotta suck playing in the same era as the GOAT. I always thought the Jazz team of that era was the closest thing to the Spurs of this era in that they never beat themselves and were the most fundamentally sound and disciplined team around. You really had to beat them because they would rarely beat themselves.

But Barkley, Drexler, Magic and Kemp/Payton all fell victim to MJ.


Jazz team was overrated Karl Malone as your best player you will never win

[Wade's Rings]

:bowdown:

In '88 Jordan won virtually every individual award that a player could- MVP, DPOY, scoring title, steals title, first team All NBA, first team All NBA defense, ASG MVP, Dunk Contest, and was the first player to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season.

:bowdown:

[DonDadda59]

Jazz team was overrated Karl Malone as your best player you will never win

:biggums:

If Jordan retires '97-'98 instead of '94-'95, Malone wins back to back championships and Finals MVPs and retires a consensus top all time 10 player while Hakeem retires ringles, 0-3 in the finals.

[brownmamba00]

:biggums:

If Jordan retires '97-'98 instead of '94-'95, Malone wins back to back championships and Finals MVPs and retires a consensus top all time 10 player while Hakeem retires ringles, 0-3 in the finals.
Hakeem would win atleast 1 vs MJ with that Bulls frontcourt.

[dazzer87]

Hakeem would win atleast 1 vs MJ with that Bulls frontcourt.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Hakeem should kiss MJ ass........Only reason why he has two rings is because of MJ decided to play Baseball........

[DonDadda59]

Hakeem would win atleast 1 vs MJ with that Bulls frontcourt.

That's assuming the Bulls lose Horace and don't replace him. I don't know if he leaves with the chance to 4 or 5-peat.

And they dealt with Ewing, Daugherty, Mourning, Shaq, Kemp, Malone, etc in playoff series just fine. Hakeem's Rockets weren't better than the Suns, Blazers, or Sonics as far as the Bulls finals opponents go. Probably not as good as Malone/Stockton's Jazz, especially not the '95 squad (even though the role players tore shit up in the finals against Orlando).

[Round Mound]

It's gotta suck playing in the same era as the GOAT. I always thought the Jazz team of that era was the closest thing to the Spurs of this era in that they never beat themselves and were the most fundamentally sound and disciplined team around. You really had to beat them because they would rarely beat themselves.

But Barkley, Drexler, Magic and Kemp/Payton all fell victim to MJ.

:no:

And PIPPEN, And All Defensive 1st Teamer Horace Grant And Then Rodman and Kukoc Came Around And All Of The Teams Designed By Phil Jackson as Coach.

[ClipperRevival]

:biggums:

If Jordan retires '97-'98 instead of '94-'95, Malone wins back to back championships and Finals MVPs and retires a consensus top all time 10 player while Hakeem retires ringles, 0-3 in the finals.

Yup. Mj faced some seriously talented teams in the finals. I put the 1996 Sonics at 1, the Suns at 2 and probably the Jazz or Blazers at 3rd. Those Jazz teams took MJ's Bulls to 6 games in 2 consecutive finals and they were an MJ sequence away in 1998 from pushing it to game 7, which was at Utah. That Jazz team destroyed the ultra talented Lakers in the late 90's.They were incredibly efficient and never beat themselves.

[ClipperRevival]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Hakeem should kiss MJ ass........Only reason why he has two rings is because of MJ decided to play Baseball........

It would've been epic had MJ didn't retire in 1994 and 1995. On paper, that Rockets team might've given the Bulls some fits, mostly cause of Hakeem.

[julizaver]

It would've been epic had MJ didn't retire in 1994 and 1995. On paper, that Rockets team might've given the Bulls some fits, mostly cause of Hakeem.

At least we would have a chance of seen Game 7 ...

All those years Bulls were hoping of MJ change his mind, they paid him salary without playing and finaly he got back.

If you check basketball refference you would see that Rockets were tough match up for the Bulls, but it is all up to what ifs.

If I am to be asked I would say Bulls would won in 1994 and 1995 - the Bulls add Tony Kukoc anyway to its curent roster meaning they would have even deeper bench. That Bulls team was a dynasty and in my opinion would match Celtics if Jordan doesn't retired.

Not to mentioned that Jordan in 1994 and 1995 will be the same player as in 1993, while that almost 2 year absence from the game have negative impact over his game. He gained weight, lost a step and some of his hoops. In 1996 he was back to shape but not the same player he was in 1993.

[julizaver]

Yup. Mj faced some seriously talented teams in the finals. I put the 1996 Sonics at 1, the Suns at 2 and probably the Jazz or Blazers at 3rd. Those Jazz teams took MJ's Bulls to 6 games in 2 consecutive finals and they were an MJ sequence away in 1998 from pushing it to game 7, which was at Utah. That Jazz team destroyed the ultra talented Lakers in the late 90's.They were incredibly efficient and never beat themselves.

The key word is "team", while the Lakers looked more talanted as a team they were inferior to Jazz in team perspective.

[ClipperRevival]

The key word is "team", while the Lakers looked more talanted as a team they were inferior to Jazz in team perspective.

True. They weren't ready to win yet but you still have to give those Jazz teams credit for dismantling such a talented team. Near peak Shaq, young Kobe, Van Excel and Jones.

[julizaver]

The only time he didn't win it (full season) was his rookie year. But he wasn't too shabby as he put up 28.2. In 1986 he only played 18 games and in 1995, he only played 17 games.

The rest of the time with the Bulls, the guy won the scoring title. This is what the GOAT does. Complete domination from start to finish. He won his last 3 scoring titles at the age of 33, 34 and 35.

You take away his Wizards years and his career scoring average as a Bull is 31.5 ppg, a whole 1.5 points better than Wilt (who is 2nd all time). And that was with a shooting pct of .505%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

:cheers:

Jordan's cause is the easiest cause to defend amongs the GOATs. He was such a player and had such a career, he got everything at every possible level - even got a NCAA title in 1982 (although not as main man he hit the winning basket).

Speaking from stan perspective, Jordan's stans would hold the W all the way in any forum nowadays, although 3ball (who post terific giffs btw) sometimes got crushed here :lol .

[Fire Colangelo]

Durant might be the only one who could challenge MJ on this.

[Young X]

Durant isn't aggressive/selfish enough and he plays alongside the highest usage PG in NBA history who shoots more than him.

[I<3NBA]

bu-bu-but, Kobe the greatest score of all time tho!

[rmt]

Truly the GOAT.

[Bless Mathews]

Kobe has played 17 full seasons.

Bron Bron has played 12 full seasons.

Can't even sniff the goats career after only playing 11 full seasons.

These kids just don't know.

[Bankaii]

Kobe has played 17 full seasons.

Bron Bron has played 12 full seasons.

Can't even sniff the goats career after only playing 11 full seasons.

These kids just don't know.
Jordan for his career as a Bull:
Averages 3 more shots for 5 for points than Kobe. :kobe:
Averages 3 more shots for 3 more points than Lebron. :lebronamazed:
Stop acting like there's this massive gap between them, MJ is just selfish as hell. :yaohappy:

[kshutts1]

The only time he didn't win it (full season) was his rookie year. But he wasn't too shabby as he put up 28.2. In 1986 he only played 18 games and in 1995, he only played 17 games.

The rest of the time with the Bulls, the guy won the scoring title. This is what the GOAT does. Complete domination from start to finish. He won his last 3 scoring titles at the age of 33, 34 and 35.

You take away his Wizards years and his career scoring average as a Bull is 31.5 ppg, a whole 1.5 points better than Wilt (who is 2nd all time). And that was with a shooting pct of .505%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

:cheers:
This is why a lot of us hate Jordanites.

Why can we use context/take away years from Jordan, but not others? You take away Jordan's Wizard years, yet leave in Wilt's final years?

Just take out that entire statement, because what you posted prior to that is marvelous. That level of scoring domination is so crazy.

But then you detract from that awe by posting that last bit of drivel.

[Iceman#44]

Bernard King is the only player who got a Scoring Title during the 11-year run of MJ as a Bull (full season only), scoring 32.9 ppg in 1985.

If he doesnt get hurt, maybe he got some more scoring crown.

In his 1991 comeback season with Washington, King was leading the league with more than 30 ppg leading the league, before his knee become bad again.

[ClipperRevival]

This is why a lot of us hate Jordanites.

Why can we use context/take away years from Jordan, but not others? You take away Jordan's Wizard years, yet leave in Wilt's final years?

Just take out that entire statement, because what you posted prior to that is marvelous. That level of scoring domination is so crazy.

But then you detract from that awe by posting that last bit of drivel.

Your posts of late pretty much prove you are a Kobe or Bron fan and don't like MJ too much. You continue to nitpick away at MJ and this is another example.

You do realize MJ had been retired for 3 full years before coming back at the age of 39 right? How many wing players are around in the NBA at the age of 39? It was considered sort of a freak show thing.

Doesn't really matter. You add in MJ's Wizard years, he's still the all time leader in ppg both in the regular season and playoffs and all time leader in PER, again for both regular season and playoffs.

[kshutts1]

Your posts of late pretty much prove you are a Kobe or Bron fan and don't like MJ too much. You continue to nitpick away at MJ and this is another example.

You do realize MJ had been retired for 3 full years before coming back at the age of 39 right? How many wing players are around in the NBA at the age of 39? It was considered sort of a freak show thing.

Doesn't really matter. You add in MJ's Wizard years, he's still the all time leader in ppg both in the regular season and playoffs and all time leader in PER, again for both regular season and playoffs.
That is pretty much m y point. Why add unnecessary fuel to the fire? It's just silly.

And Kobe's my favorite current player. Pippen all time. I don't like Jordan. That doesn't mean I don't recognize their respective downfalls, or Jordan's greatness.

But please point to something I've posted that is inaccurate. I'm anything but a troll or a stan. I deal with realism.

[ClipperRevival]

That is pretty much m y point. Why add unnecessary fuel to the fire? It's just silly.

And Kobe's my favorite current player. Pippen all time. I don't like Jordan. That doesn't mean I don't recognize their respective downfalls, or Jordan's greatness.

But please point to something I've posted that is inaccurate. I'm anything but a troll or a stan. I deal with realism.

There is proper context when you separate MJ's Bulls years only because it is when he was relevant as a player and not some sideshow. If you don't like the stats, you don't have to read it.

[kshutts1]

There is proper context when you separate MJ's Bulls years only because it is when he was relevant as a player and not some sideshow. If you don't like the stats, you don't have to read it.
Just acknowledge the similar circumstances of others. That's all I ask.

If you want Jordan's years on Washington to not count, then also do not count the last few years for the player to whom you're comparing Jordan.

Jordan made the choice to leave basketball. Jordan made the choice to come back.

[jlip]

He also led the league in field goal attempts a record 9 out of 11 full seasons as a Bull.

[ClipperRevival]

He also led the league in field goal attempts a record 9 out of 11 full seasons as a Bull.

But he wasn't inefficient. As a matter of fact, his efficiency was the best EVER. He led the league in PER 7 out of those seasons. And his PER is the highest EVER. His FG% as a Bull was .505%.

If he was jacking up shots with bad efficiency and a low FG%, that's one thing. But that wasn't the case.

[Fire Colangelo]

But he wasn't inefficient. As a matter of fact, his efficiency was the best EVER. He led the league in PER 7 out of those seasons. And his PER is the highest EVER. His FG% as a Bull was .505%.

If he was jacking up shots with bad efficiency and a low FG%, that's one thing. But that wasn't the case.

Except he's not the most efficient scorer...

Kevin Durant is more efficient than MJ ever was as a scorer.

[Stu Jackson]

phil jackson and the assistant coach tex winter did not want mj to win the scoring titles so maybe gunning for points held them back from being better than they were which is scary

when mj came back from his retirement he didnt want to score a million points anymore and still led the league in scoring so who knows

best player ever

[jlip]

phil jackson and the assistant coach tex winter did not want mj to win the scoring titles so maybe gunning for points held them back from being better than they were which is scary

when mj came back from his retirement he didnt want to score a million points anymore and still led the league in scoring so who knows

best player ever

Huh? He still led the league in shots taken during the second three peat, and was attempting just as many if not more field goals per game from '96-'98 as he was from '91-'93.

[ClipperRevival]

This is what dominance is in the MODERN era. It's not like MJ did this in the 60's. This was the late 80's to mid 90's.

Ponder this. MJ has more scoring titles than LeBron, Kobe, Durant, Curry and Wade COMBINED.

[Mr Feeny]

Yeah. That's insane. The only season he didn't was his rookie year, and he lead the league in total points that year, averaging 28 ppg in the process.

[Mr Feeny]

This is what dominance is in the MODERN era. It's not like MJ did this in the 60's. This was the late 80's to mid 90's.

Ponder this. MJ has more scoring titles than LeBron, Kobe, Durant, Curry and Wade COMBINED.I was sure Durant could reach 7 scoring titles atleast to tie Wilt. That looks impossible now.
I wonder if anyone will ever break this record. Leading the entire league in scoring THEN seasons. Let that sink in.

[ClipperRevival]

I was sure Durant could reach 7 scoring titles atleast to tie Wilt. That looks impossible now.
I wonder if anyone will ever break this record. Leading the entire league in scoring THEN seasons. Let that sink in.

This record might never get broken. It's a truly ridiculous accomplishment if you think about it. It's one thing to be top 5 or top 3 for 10 years but to be #1 for 10 years? :biggums:

[Dragonyeuw]

And probably missed out on possibly the 86 scoring title( injured, but I'd have to think he's have been 30+ that year), and 94 and 95. Conceivably he could have had 12/13 titles if his sophomore campaign was healthy and didn't retire in his prime.

[ClipperRevival]

The only guy to even sniff this level of dominance as a scorer is Wilt. He won 7 out of his 14 eligible seasons. That's a 50% rate, which is amazing in itself. But MJ 10/11? That's straight up ridiculous.

[feyki]

Who cares the scoring title ?