Do we all agree that 2 for 6 = Disqualified from the Top 10.

[BigBoss]

Prophecy is nearly fulfilled.

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[Cocaine80s]

3/6= Top 5 though

[HylianNightmare]

Unless he wins 3 straight in Cleveland he's out of the top 10

[Beastmode88]

3/6= Top 5 though

name the top 5 players and also the top 5 teams lebron beat in the playoffs

[Fork]

Nope makes no sense

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Nope. Wilt is 2/6 too btw.

[Springsteen]

I don't think so? First of all the finals haven't even happened yet.

5 of those 6 came from 5 straight finals appearances.

Did Lebron touch you as a kid?

[ShawkFactory]

Didn't you just make this thread?

[BigBoss]

Didn't you just make this thread?

That was last year.

2 for 6 #striveforgreatness

[clipps]

5 straight finals with 2 different teams. That's kind of impressive.

[hiphopfan777]

He only player to put up 37/18/13

[BigBoss]

5 straight finals with 2 different teams. That's kind of impressive.

No thats a sleazy way to get to the Finals. If Melo went the LeBald-way he would be playing in the Finals.

[Fork]

No thats a sleazy way to get to the Finals. If Melo went the LeBald-way he would be playing in the Finals.

No melo wouldn't have even gotten to the finals once

[TheBigVeto]

It is not the 2/6 that disqualifies Lebron from the top 10.
It's his 'bailing out of Cleveland to join DWhistle, Snake Riley and the Cheatles'.

He's still infinitely much better than Kobe though.

[Horde of Temujin]

People are pathetic. Who gives a shit.

Only chip that Lebron can be criticized for is 2011.

[Ne 1]

5 straight finals with 2 different teams. That's kind of impressive.

5 straight Finals sounds crazy good until you realize the shit competition he's faced. When the best team you play in the East in 5 years is a young Bulls team with Rose literally shitting himself on the court in the conference finals...you've had a cakewalk. LeBron is one of the best ever no doubt, but that doesn't change the fact that he sure hasn't beat expectations winning 2 in 5 years.

[Derka]

Absolutely not.

[G0ATbe]

That already occurred at 2/5

[Bigsmoke]

5 straight Finals sounds crazy good until you realize the shit competition he's faced. When the best team you play in the East in 5 years is a young Bulls team with Rose literally shitting himself on the court in the conference finals...you've had a cakewalk. LeBron is one of the best ever no doubt, but that doesn't change the fact that he sure hasn't beat expectations winning 2 in 5 years.

Nobody expected a 22 year old to lead his team to a championship


If in reading this right, LeBron beating the 2011 Bulls doesn't matter because Rose left was 22 but LeBron getting swept at 22 helped destroyed his legacy...


Double standards and stupidity at its finest.

[Ne 1]

Nobody expected a 22 year old to lead his team to a championship


If in reading this right, LeBron beating the 2011 Bulls doesn't matter because Rose left was 22 but LeBron getting swept at 22 helped destroyed his legacy...


Double standards and stupidity at its finest.

I never said that it helped destroy his legacy. His 2007 Finals, it's not really the fact that he lost that series, but that he performed so far below what you would have expected from him. He averaged 22/7/7, but he shot 35% from the field, 20% on 3's and 69% from the line while averaging 6 turnovers per game and on 23 shots per game. That's horrendous for a player of James' caliber. I do give him somewhat of a pass for losing since nobody really expected the Cavs to beat the Spurs, but if he even played a little bit better, the series would have been closer instead of the Cavs being swept, specifically in Game's 3 and 4, it would have been 2-2 going to Cleveland. It's a black mark on his resume in a way not because he lost, but because of how poorly he played by his standards. Although I don't really judge him based on that too much because he wasn't in his prime yet. Part of that was him being exposed as a terrible shooter. (For the entire season, he shot just 34.6% from 16-23 feet, 31.9% on 3s and 69.8% from the line.)

[TheBigVeto]

5 straight Finals sounds crazy good until you realize the shit competition he's faced. .

It's no different from the Lakers back in the 80s, the west was weak sauce.

[D.J.]

First off, he should be 3-2. He choked away 2011. He played like crap and Miami still led 2-1 after 3...and they choked away a 15 point lead in the 1 game they did lose.

Second, even if LeBron is 3-3 in 2 weeks, compare him to other stars...MJ, 6-0. Duncan, 5-1. Kobe, 5-2. Magic, 5-4. Shaq, 4-1. Magic is the only one out of those guys to lose more than twice, but he still won it all 5 times and won Finals MVP in 3 of them.

What hurts LeBron is bolting to Miami to play with Bosh in his prime and Wade at the tail end of his. Then he returns to Cleveland like nothing happened. No one is saying LeBron is not a top 10 talent, but no star did what he did. MJ, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Olajuwon all stayed put during their primes. Barkley asked for a trade only because Philly was a sh*t team.

[SouBeachTalents]

First off, he should be 3-2. He choked away 2011. He played like crap and Miami still led 2-1 after 3...and they choked away a 15 point lead in the 1 game they did lose.

Second, even if LeBron is 3-3 in 2 weeks, compare him to other stars...MJ, 6-0. Duncan, 5-1. Kobe, 5-2. Magic, 5-4. Shaq, 4-1. Magic is the only one out of those guys to lose more than twice, but he still won it all 5 times and won Finals MVP in 3 of them.

What hurts LeBron is bolting to Miami to play with Bosh in his prime and Wade at the tail end of his. Then he returns to Cleveland like nothing happened. No one is saying LeBron is not a top 10 talent, but no star did what he did. MJ, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Olajuwon all stayed put during their primes. Barkley asked for a trade only because Philly was a sh*t team.

:biggums:

[Straight_Ballin]

:bowdown:
It is not the 2/6 that disqualifies Lebron from the top 10.
It's his 'bailing out of Cleveland to join DWhistle, Snake Riley and the Cheatles'.

He's still infinitely much better than Kobe though.

No one with an active sex life disagrees with this.

[D.J.]

:biggums:


Shaq wasn't in his prime yet in '96 and was out of it by '04.

[sportjames23]

:bowdown:

No one with an active sex life disagrees with this.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Ai2death]

Shaq wasn't in his prime yet in '96 and was out of it by '04.

Shaq was still a huge threat and dominate when out of his prime though, big guys almost always have been more serviceable over time

[Bigsmoke]

I never said that it helped destroy his legacy. His 2007 Finals, it's not really the fact that he lost that series, but that he performed so far below what you would have expected from him. He averaged 22/7/7, but he shot 35% from the field, 20% on 3's and 69% from the line while averaging 6 turnovers per game and on 23 shots per game. That's horrendous for a player of James' caliber. I do give him somewhat of a pass for losing since nobody really expected the Cavs to beat the Spurs, but if he even played a little bit better, the series would have been closer instead of the Cavs being swept, specifically in Game's 3 and 4, it would have been 2-2 going to Cleveland. It's a black mark on his resume in a way not because he lost, but because of how poorly he played by his standards. Although I don't really judge him based on that too much because he wasn't in his prime yet. Part of that was him being exposed as a terrible shooter. (For the entire season, he shot just 34.6% from 16-23 feet, 31.9% on 3s and 69.8% from the line.)
LeBron wasn't that good in 2007. His stats were still better than Kobe's numbers in his first Finals. Only difference is one had Shaq.

[Bigsmoke]

Shaq was still a huge threat and dominate when out of his prime though, big guys almost always have been more serviceable over time

Shaq and LeBron both left at the same age:biggums:
Edit: Shaq was 24 but still Shaq went to the Finals for crying out loud

[gigantes]

Do we all agree that 2 for 6 = Disqualified from the Top 10.
i assume that every hateful idiot on ISH can agree on that.


do you feel extra warm and fuzzy inside by having so much company?

[Magic 32]

LeBron wasn't that good in 2007. His stats were still better than Kobe's numbers in his first Finals. Only difference is one had Shaq.

I don't see how anyone can use the 2000 finals against Kobe.

[Droid101]

LeBron wasn't that good in 2007. His stats were still better than Kobe's numbers in his first Finals. Only difference is one had Shaq.
Even if you take out the game where he was purposefully injured by a player on the other team?

[Bigsmoke]

I don't see how anyone can use the 2000 finals against Kobe.


, Kobe wasn't the best player in that series by any means

[Ne 1]

LeBron wasn't that good in 2007. His stats were still better than Kobe's numbers in his first Finals. Only difference is one had Shaq.

LeBron was a top 5 player that season.

19/6/4/ on 41 TS% + excellent defense and a heroic clutch game when Shaq fouled out > 22/7/7 on 42 TS% while getting swept

Yeah, Kobe did have a sub-par series in general, but a lot of that can attributed to the injury in Game 2 where Jalen Rose admittedly intentionally in injured him. He missed almost all of Game 2, all of Game 3, and was hobbled and limping around for the rest of the series. He returned after getting injured in Game 4 and single handedly carried the team when Shaq fouled out in the 4th quarter, he hit 4 huge free throws and lit the Pacers up in overtime. So considering he came up with a legendary clutch performance in game 4 and also put up 26/10/4/2/1 with only 1 turn over playing excellent defense in the clinching game, it's not a big deal in terms of his legacy. His defense on Mark Jackson was impressive throughout the series, reminiscent of Pippen's defense on Jackson in the 1998 conference finals.

[PickernRoller]

Yes. And it's no ordinary 2/6. It's 2*/6. There is a difference.

[TripleA]

Kobe not even top 10 Lebron, west, Moses , and Oscar Robertson are better than that Kobe bum.

[BigBoss]

No melo wouldn't have even gotten to the finals once

Chicago beats the Cavs with Melo, but he didn't go the The LeBald Way in FA.