Shaq allegedly threatened to 'murder' Kobe Bryant in 2004

[UK2K]

John Black: Mostly it was Shaq and Kobe didn't like each other, but it didn't affect them on the court. They would say something about the other, on or off the record, but it didn't become confrontational more than two or three times over the eight years. When Kobe gave the statement to Jim Gray where he went off calling Shaq fat and lazy, that was one of the times. There was one really bad one, early on. Brian Shaw had to pull them apart. Shaq threatened to murder Kobe.

And then...

[QUOTE]Kobe Bryant: I wasn't going to play with Shaq anymore after that. That just wasn't going to happen. Things he had said, criticism from the media in saying I can't win without him. Look, I put that individual s--t aside to win championships and now I'm getting criticized for it. Now I'm going to show you f--ks what I can do on my own. So that challenge, I was going to answer that challenge no matter what

[MP.Trey]

whether I was going to stay in L.A. or go somewhere else, I was going to answer that challenge.

That loyalty though.

[SexSymbol]

Kobe would wreck shaq

[PJR]

Shaq should've murked Kobe when he snitched like a little ho.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe would wreck shaq

you mean in a fight?

I know you say some crazy shit but this is.. well.. just say you don't mean in a fight, like verbally or something :lol

[Kobe_6/8]

That loyalty though.

The Lakers could have chose Shaq as their franchise player & traded Kobe at that point in his career.

[SexSymbol]

you mean in a fight?

I know you say some crazy shit but this is.. well.. just say you don't mean in a fight, like verbally or something :lol
in a fight, shaq doesn't know how to throw a punch.
Both of them were fighting virgins at that point, Kobe is at least faster, and shaq is dumb as ****

[Trollsmasher]

Kobe would wreck shaq
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[FreezingTsmoove]

Frobe would have rekt Shaqs anus, honestly. Lets not forget we are talking about prime.Beta Frobe

[triangleoffense]

I believe it... I read somewhere that shaq paid a spying/ hacking group to go after players he didn't like.. Oftentimes his own teammatest

[SugarHill]

Kobe would wreck shaq
cmon son

[Relinquish]

Kobe would wreck shaq

Down syndrome at its finest.

[Ne 1]

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Kobe was about to wreck Childs. Childs sucker punched Kobe and then ran away like a little bitch...Kobe ate those weak hits, got right up in Childs grill, swung back and that's when Childs ran backwards and hides behind his teammates like a pu$$y

[Rake2204]

I thought it was interesting to hear Chauncey Billups verbalize what everyone likely already assumed. The single-coverage of Shaq was an essential means of using Kobe Bryant's own ego against him.


Chauncey Billups: Our game plan was very calculated. We knew we were going to play Shaq straight-up. We knew there was no way we could stop Shaq straight-up. And there was also no way we could stop Kobe straight-up. But, if we’re going to play Shaq straight-up, [the Lakers'] eyes are going to get big, which means they’re going to keep throwing it down there. We’re telling Ben the whole time, "Take fouls when you need to, but don’t get yourself into foul trouble. You need to give up a layup, cool, we’re going to get what we want on the other side." But what’s going to happen is Mr. Bryant is going to get a little discouraged with getting no touches and now the second half comes around…now he’s pressing. He’s going to start coming down and just breaking the offense. When you do that, you’re done—you’re playing right into our hands. Even if you start making those shots, you’re finished.

[Da Hammer]

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If we are being serious lol no trolling then you would see that Kobe actually took those shots really well considering he was sucker punched and would have easily wrecked Childs if they weren't seperated. But the other poster is crazy in saying that Kobe would wreck Shaq :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

You know that the fact Kobe won 2 rings and made 3 straight finals without disel probably eats O' Neal alive

:roll: :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

I thought it was interesting to hear Chauncey Billups verbalize what everyone likely already assumed. The single-coverage of Shaq was an essential means of using Kobe Bryant's own ego against him.

damn, they counted on Kobe's selfishness, crumbling mentally, and they were proven right.

[Out_In_Utah]

Kobe would wreck shaq
:roll:

[RRR3]

Kobe would wreck shaq
:roll: delusional


I read a story (perhaps in Phil Jackson's book can't remember) about Kobe running his mouth in practice one time. Shaq turned around and smacked him right in the face. Kobe didn't do shit. :lol

[fiddy]

You know that the fact Kobe won 2 rings and made 3 straight finals without disel probably eats O' Neal alive

:roll: :roll:
Exactly.

[HOoopCityJones]

You know that the fact Kobe won 2 rings and made 3 straight finals without disel probably eats O' Neal alive

:roll: :roll:

I haven't heard him diss Kobe since then.

[Eric Cartman]

How is Kobe in the wrong on this when a 7'1, slightly retarded 300 pounder threatens to kill you? :confusedshrug:

Good thing he spoke out, maybe not homicide, but things could've gotten ugly.

Justicebe :applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

How is Kobe in the wrong on this when a 7'1, slightly retarded 300 pounder threatens to kill you? :confusedshrug:

Good thing he spoke out, maybe not homicide, but things could've gotten ugly.

Justicebe :applause:

That's always been the funniest part to me about the Shaq worship from people. On the court? Fuccing monster, no doubt one of the most dominant players ever. Yet as a Teammate he was shit, and anyone who supposedly got along with Shaq were simply his enablers and ass kissers.

You can see it clearly on Inside the NBA, you have guys like Ernie who tolerate his behavior for the sake of their Team at TNT , then you have Kenny who endorses his antics as long as it's not towards him and then you have Charles who knows Shaq is full of shit and will challenge his ego every chance he gets. He's had beefs with Teammates on every Team he's gone to, and talked shit on the previous Team after he left.

Kobe's an asshole but at least he knows what he is, people try to pretend Shaq is this Ace integrity guy.

[Rooster]

You know that the fact Kobe won 2 rings and made 3 straight finals without disel probably eats O' Neal alive

:roll: :roll:

Kobe created a greater legacy without Shaq and proved his critics wrong by winning without him.

The breakup was inevitable though. They both have a big ego with contrasting personalities. Shaq would have greater legacy if he could have just check his ego a little bit but he was too insecure. I mean if he let Kobe comes to his own and not intimidate him about him being the alpha and all that crap in the beginning then we are talking about 6-8 rings easy.

I think Kobe was on his way out that year. I recall Baylor said Kobe told him he will be a Clip. I think he either gonna win his way or the highway. That's the reason when Shaq got traded, a lot of Lakers fans especially in LA were upset and put all the blame to Kobe why Shaq got traded and deservingly so. But Kobe got the last laugh and Shaq will forever be bitter about it inside.

[dubeta]

Justice for Katyln Faber


What could've been..

[Dro]

I thought it was interesting to hear Chauncey Billups verbalize what everyone likely already assumed. The single-coverage of Shaq was an essential means of using Kobe Bryant's own ego against him.
That's crazy and this post is so overlooked....Everyone knew Kobe would break the offense at some point...You can't say that about other greats honestly that he is compared to...Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Wade, etc...They get theirs in the flow of the offense or in crunch time when they HAVE to. They didn't just get theirs by breaking the offense whenever they chose to.

[ArbitraryWater]

That's crazy and this post is so overlooked....Everyone knew Kobe would break the offense at some point...You can't say that about other greats honestly that he is compared to...Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Wade, etc...They get theirs in the flow of the offense or in crunch time when they HAVE to. They didn't just get theirs by breaking the offense whenever they chose to.

yep.. they counted on Kobe breaking the team, that was a main part to their strategy, and Kobe followed up on it.. wow.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe created a greater legacy without Shaq and proved his critics wrong by winning without him.

The breakup was inevitable though. They both have a big ego with contrasting personalities. Shaq would have greater legacy if he could have just check his ego a little bit but he was too insecure. I mean if he let Kobe comes to his own and not intimidate him about him being the alpha and all that crap in the beginning then we are talking about 6-8 rings easy.

I think Kobe was on his way out that year. I recall Baylor said Kobe told him he will be a Clip. I think he either gonna win his way or the highway. That's the reason when Shaq got traded, a lot of Lakers fans especially in LA were upset and put all the blame to Kobe why Shaq got traded and deservingly so. But Kobe got the last laugh and Shaq will forever be bitter about it inside.


Dude, Kobe was what 19?, 20?, 21? How many of us are the epitome of maturity at that age? Shaq was like 26 going on thirty when he came to the Lakers instantly picking on this 18 yr old kid, mind you Kobe became a better player for it, tougher, mentally psychotic, sometimes to the detriment of his Team, but after taking Shaq's shit for 8 years , there was no one who was gonna push Kobe around which kinda shaped his attitude moving forward with the Lakers. No nonsense after so many years playing in Shaq's circus.

It wasn't all bad, Kobe admitted most recently in his interview with NBA tv that he learned a lot from Shaq.

[ImKobe]

I thought it was interesting to hear Chauncey Billups verbalize what everyone likely already assumed. The single-coverage of Shaq was an essential means of using Kobe Bryant's own ego against him.

boom, this quote if perfect. The haters be like "but but look at Shaq numbers in the Finals breh, Kobe choked!!"

when in reality they ALLOWED Shaq to score so Kobe wouldn't get his offense going because they're going to throw it to a wide open Shaq

which makes perfect sense, because shaq averaged 19.7 ppg the first 3 rounds, they knew he wasn't going to be good enough to drop 40 every night and they knew Kobe would get mad a chuck that ball.

Malone getting injured though really killed the Lakers' chances to me because Shaq was far from his 2000-02 form and Kobe was playing with a torn labrum and a surgically repaired knee.

[ImKobe]

You know that the fact Kobe won 2 rings and made 3 straight finals without disel probably eats O' Neal alive

:roll: :roll:

If Bynum and Ariza were healthy and playing the minutes they did in 09, Lakers would have 3-peated.

[HOoopCityJones]

That's crazy and this post is so overlooked....Everyone knew Kobe would break the offense at some point...You can't say that about other greats honestly that he is compared to...Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Wade, etc...They get theirs in the flow of the offense or in crunch time when they HAVE to. They didn't just get theirs by breaking the offense whenever they chose to.

No, Lebron rather fold when the going gets tough.

All this bullshit people talk about Kobe and 04, yet he was the sole reason we even won a single game. Not saying he played great, but there are pros and cons alike he was responsible for in that series.

[clipps]

If we are being serious lol no trolling then you would see that Kobe actually took those shots really well considering he was sucker punched and would have easily wrecked Childs if they weren't seperated. But the other poster is crazy in saying that Kobe would wreck Shaq :lol
he didn't really get hit hard.

[Rooster]

Dude, Kobe was what 19?, 20?, 21? How many of us are the epitome of maturity at that age? Shaq was like 26 going on thirty when he came to the Lakers instantly picking on this 18 yr old kid, mind you Kobe became a better player for it, tougher, mentally psychotic, sometimes to the detriment of his Team, but after taking Shaq's shit for 8 years , there was no one who was gonna push Kobe around which kinda shaped his attitude moving forward with the Lakers. No nonsense after so many years playing in Shaq's circus.

It wasn't all bad, Kobe admitted most recently in his interview with NBA tv that he learned a lot from Shaq.

Well like I said, all what happened benefited Kobe more. The end justified the means.

I think what kept them together was they keep winning.

[ImKobe]

Well like I said, all what happened benefited Kobe more. The end justified the means.

I think what kept them together was they keep winning.

Let's be honest, if Colorado doesn't happen, they all stick together for another year at least. Kobe and Shaq were still a great duo and they had the right roster, just not enough experience together and the off the court stuff distracted their games.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

That's crazy and this post is so overlooked....Everyone knew Kobe would break the offense at some point...You can't say that about other greats honestly that he is compared to...Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Wade, etc...They get theirs in the flow of the offense or in crunch time when they HAVE to. They didn't just get theirs by breaking the offense whenever they chose to.

Yeah, and in LeBron's case, turning full blown Casper the ghost. You can't say that about any of the other greats. Not even Wilt.

[Eric Cartman]

Yeah, and in LeBron's case, turning full blown Casper the ghost. You can't say that about any of the other greats. Not even Wilt.

Yes you can.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yeah, and in LeBron's case, turning full blown Casper the ghost. I don't even think you can say that about any of the other greats. Not even Wilt.

Didn't Magic earn himself the nickname Tragic for his refusal to take the last second shots in MULTIPLE games in the finals, a finals they were favored in and lost? :lol
Wilt 1969 been well covered...

but the opponent booking on these guys to ruin their chance before the series? wow

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Didn't Magic earn himself the nickname Tragic for his refusal to take the last second shots in MULTIPLE games in the finals, a finals they were favored in and lost? :lol
Wilt 1969 been well covered...

but the opponent booking on these guys to ruin their chance before the series? wow
The inception of "Tragic" was for his choking against Boston, not for completely disappearing like LeBron.

Wilt had his share of chokes. Going ghost like LeBron? He's one of a kind in that regard. Call him casper :pimp:

[Rooster]

Let's be honest, if Colorado doesn't happen, they all stick together for another year at least. Kobe and Shaq were still a great duo and they had the right roster, just not enough experience together and the off the court stuff distracted their games.

If they won it then definitely becauses winning cures everything. But if they lost like what happened , I doubt it. Kobe and Shaq have been beefing even before the Colorado incident. Kobe was gonna be a free agent and no way he'll stick around without the winning part. He has too big of an ego to go through that BS.

[Rooster]

No, Lebron rather fold when the going gets tough.

All this bullshit people talk about Kobe and 04, yet he was the sole reason we even won a single game. Not saying he played great, but there are pros and cons alike he was responsible for in that series.

Same hate crap. It's an oxymoron at best. When Lakers won it, they all want to give credit to Shaq and when they lost, put the blame on Kobe. So the only conclusion was Kobe has to play well for the Lakers to win it. The truth is even a role player like Horry can cost the Lakers chances like when he played like crap in 2003 against the Spurs.

[Prime_Shaq]

Alpha

[HOoopCityJones]

Same hate crap. It's an oxymoron at best. When Lakers won it, they all want to give credit to Shaq and when they lost, put the blame on Kobe. So the only conclusion was Kobe has to play well for the Lakers to win it. The truth is even a role player like Horry can cost the Lakers chances like when he played like crap in 2003 against the Spurs.

Horry was literally only good for rebounding and two key shots a year in the post season, clutch ass shots mind you , but yea big shot Rob made a career of doing the least all season and coming up big at the most crucial point in a series.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Horry was literally only good for rebounding and two key shots a year in the post season, clutch ass shots mind you , but yea big shot Rob made a career of doing the least all season and coming up big at the most crucial point in a series.

Kobe's Brickhouse >>> Casper the friendly ghost, and I by friendly, I mean letting a role player outperform you. :lol

[Eric Cartman]

Alpha
Shaq is not a leader of men.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe's Brickhouse >>> Casper the friendly ghost, and I by friendly, I mean letting a role player outperform you. :lol

Barea or Terry? :roll:

[ImKobe]

If they won it then definitely becauses winning cures everything. But if they lost like what happened , I doubt it. Kobe and Shaq have been beefing even before the Colorado incident. Kobe was gonna be a free agent and no way he'll stick around without the winning part. He has too big of an ego to go through that BS.

Colorado doesn't happen - Kobe doesn't snitch on Shaq - Kobe isn't distracted off-court by the whole drama - Lakers play a better team game.

[YouGotServed]

No matter how hard you all try or how much time you Kobe stans spend worshiping Kobe in here, Shaq is still ahead of him on the all time greats list. Comfortably I might add. Shaq will always be the better player and he'll have the greater legacy.

Let that burn your soul real slow.

[Wade's Rings]

That's always been the funniest part to me about the Shaq worship from people. On the court? Fuccing monster, no doubt one of the most dominant players ever. Yet as a Teammate he was shit, and anyone who supposedly got along with Shaq were simply his enablers and ass kissers.

You can see it clearly on Inside the NBA, you have guys like Ernie who tolerate his behavior for the sake of their Team at TNT , then you have Kenny who endorses his antics as long as it's not towards him and then you have Charles who knows Shaq is full of shit and will challenge his ego every chance he gets. He's had beefs with Teammates on every Team he's gone to, and talked shit on the previous Team after he left.

Kobe's an asshole but at least he knows what he is, people try to pretend Shaq is this Ace integrity guy.

:applause: When Shaq played with Kobe, Kobe was the Best 2 Guard in the World. When Shaq played with Wade, Wade was the best 2 Guard. When he played with Nash, Nash was the Best Point Guard(even though he had beef with him from losing the 2005 MVP) and he even called Amare the best PF in the World.

When he left Kobe was some sidekick, Wade got carried to all 3 of his rings, Nash is overrated and stole 2 MVPs from him(Shaq wasn't even Top 10 Voting in 2006 :facepalm). The Heat Medical Staff is why he was never healthy.

Every team Shaq left he burned a bridge. He always had something to say instead of appreciating the Help he got. Outside of his rookie year has Shaq ever had a garbage Team?

[Eric Cartman]

No matter how hard you all try or how much time you Kobe stans spend worshiping Kobe in here, Shaq is still ahead of him on the all time greats list. Comfortably I might add. Shaq will always be the better player and he'll have the greater legacy.

Let that burn your soul real slow.
There are 5 Lakers (Magic, KAJ, Wilt, Shaq, Kobe) ahead in the GOAT rankings of the greatest Rocket that will ever exist.

Now burn...

[ImKobe]

No matter how hard you all try or how much time you Kobe stans spend worshiping Kobe in here, Shaq is still ahead of him on the all time greats list. Comfortably I might add. Shaq will always be the better player and he'll have the greater legacy.

Let that burn your soul real slow.

5 rings

stay mad, little man.

You'll still be stuck at 2 after the best season in your franchise history since 1995 :roll:

[DMV2]

Since retirement, shaq has said it was all part of hype he did to get people talking. you know it was bullshit, them dudes hatedeach other.

[HOoopCityJones]

No matter how hard you all try or how much time you Kobe stans spend worshiping Kobe in here, Shaq is still ahead of him on the all time greats list. Comfortably I might add. Shaq will always be the better player and he'll have the greater legacy.

Let that burn your soul real slow.

Rockets haven't won shit since the mid 90's , let that shit burn slow bitch.

[Bless Mathews]

Kobe was about to wreck Childs. Childs sucker punched Kobe and then ran away like a little bitch...Kobe ate those weak hits, got right up in Childs grill, swung back and that's when Childs ran backwards and hides behind his teammates like a pu$$y


Your FUCCIN delusional.


How is that a sucker punch when THEY ARE STANDING TOE TO TOE??

You're a FUCCIN idiot.

Kobe got SERVED by someone 6'


Shaq would literally kill kobes white upper class bitchass

[YouGotServed]

Shaq half assed his way to 4 rings. He was legitimately a lazy fat **** who probably only had 1 season where he actually tried his best. Kobe? He wanted to be better than him so bad. He probably spent thousands more hours in the gym working on his game. Dude literally breathes basketball. He sacrificed friends and a life for basketball. He actually took basketball seriously. Guess what, Kobe stans?

When it's all said and done, Shaq is still greater than him. Shaq will always be remembered as the better player. Period. Let it keep burning ya soul.

[Bless Mathews]

If we are being serious lol no trolling then you would see that Kobe actually took those shots really well considering he was sucker punched and would have easily wrecked Childs if they weren't seperated. But the other poster is crazy in saying that Kobe would wreck Shaq :lol
Delusional.

How is that a sucker punch?

They standing toe toe!!!!!

FUCCIN the worst fans on the planet.

[HOoopCityJones]

Shaq half assed his way to 4 rings. He was legitimately a lazy fat **** who probably only had 1 season where he actually tried his best. Kobe? He wanted to be better than him so bad. He probably spent thousands more hours in the gym working on his game. Dude literally breathes basketball. He sacrificed friends and a life for basketball. He actually took basketball seriously. Guess what, Kobe stans?

When it's all said and done, Shaq is still greater than him. Shaq will always be remembered as the better player. Period. Let it keep burning ya soul.

You sound upset. :oldlol:

[Rooster]

Shaq half assed his way to 4 rings. He was legitimately a lazy fat **** who probably only had 1 season where he actually tried his best. Kobe? He wanted to be better than him so bad. He probably spent thousands more hours in the gym working on his game. Dude literally breathes basketball. He sacrificed friends and a life for basketball. He actually took basketball seriously. Guess what, Kobe stans?

When it's all said and done, Shaq is still greater than him. Shaq will always be remembered as the better player. Period. Let it keep burning ya soul.

Soul burning because someone is greater than the other one. :facepalm

You're miserable fan if you think like that.:oldlol:

Shaq is greater than Kobe in so many ways but the breakup helped Kobe more than Shaq.

[Rocketswin2013]

The only bad thing Kobe did in this was the snitching. Absolute beta move. It nearly offsets the fact that he alpha'd his way to titles without Shaq.

[ImKobe]

Shaq half assed his way to 4 rings. He was legitimately a lazy fat **** who probably only had 1 season where he actually tried his best. Kobe? He wanted to be better than him so bad. He probably spent thousands more hours in the gym working on his game. Dude literally breathes basketball. He sacrificed friends and a life for basketball. He actually took basketball seriously. Guess what, Kobe stans?

When it's all said and done, Shaq is still greater than him. Shaq will always be remembered as the better player. Period. Let it keep burning ya soul.

If Kobe didn't work so hard, Shaq doesn't have 4 rings you dumbass.

Let's observe the 3-peat

2000 - Game 7 Kobe leads Lakers in 4 categories and with the game tied with less than 2 minutes to go, Kobe scores 4 straight points and then seals the game with a crossover on Pippen that leads to the wide open lob to Shaq

Finals Game 4, wins the game for the Lakers on the road in OT with Shaq fouled out

Finals Game 6, clutch buckets and seals the championship at the FT line

2001 - 32/7/6 through 11 straight wins, 9.7 points a game in 4th quarters, Kobe easily the best player in road games

2002 - Kobe averages 30/11/7 in games 6 & 7 vs Kings

Kobe was the leader of that team in crunch time, there's a reason Shaq only has one sidekick ring without Kobe while Kobe has 3 straight Finals and 2 FMVPs without Shaq.

[UK2K]

No matter how hard you all try or how much time you Kobe stans spend worshiping Kobe in here, Shaq is still ahead of him on the all time greats list. Comfortably I might add. Shaq will always be the better player and he'll have the greater legacy.

Let that burn your soul real slow.

Id pick 18 year old Shaq over Kobe.

Id pick 18 year old Shaq over pretty much everyone but MJ.

[Knoe Itawl]

Jordan > Kobe
Shaq > Kobe
Lebron > Kobe

This will be the common perspective from the basketball following world amongst all but the most ridiculous Kobe dikkriders.

Deep down they know this, and thus they have become the most hated, idiotic fanbase in all of sports because they seethe with insecurity and loathing because of it.

But why? Because one man they worship isn't as good as another man at basketball? It makes no sense to me.

These Lebron Stans are nauseating (and I like Bron) but have a looooooong way to go to catch up to the putrid Kobe Fanatics.

[YouGotServed]

If Kobe didn't work so hard, Shaq doesn't have 4 rings you dumbass.

Let's observe the 3-peat

2000 - Game 7 Kobe leads Lakers in 4 categories and with the game tied with less than 2 minutes to go, Kobe scores 4 straight points and then seals the game with a crossover on Pippen that leads to the wide open lob to Shaq

Finals Game 4, wins the game for the Lakers on the road in OT with Shaq fouled out

Finals Game 6, clutch buckets and seals the championship at the FT line

2001 - 32/7/6 through 11 straight wins, 9.7 points a game in 4th quarters, Kobe easily the best player in road games

2002 - Kobe averages 30/11/7 in games 6 & 7 vs Kings

Kobe was the leader of that team in crunch time, there's a reason Shaq only has one sidekick ring without Kobe while Kobe has 3 straight Finals and 2 FMVPs without Shaq.

Didn't read. Let's just agree to disagree. We're civilized people. Shaq is better. Let's have a drink. What you say? Yeeaaaaahhhh

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[Dro]

No, Lebron rather fold when the going gets tough.

All this bullshit people talk about Kobe and 04, yet he was the sole reason we even won a single game. Not saying he played great, but there are pros and cons alike he was responsible for in that series.
Bro, you have OTHER NBA players to vouch for this. They all know how Kobe is and it worked perfectly. Its not a knock and there's really no reason to defend this like its some atrocious lie or something. Its also part of what makes KOBE great, because he can and is willing to take over the game. A lot of stars can't do that. Its not like a bunch of teams knew how to take advantage of it, but the Pistons did.

[Dro]

Yeah, and in LeBron's case, turning full blown Casper the ghost. You can't say that about any of the other greats. Not even Wilt.
So Lebron didn't drop 30 points in a row on the Pistons? Let's not act like Lebron has never closed the deal, hell he's done it a few times this post season already. Just because Lebron is more pass first than other greats, doesn't make any less capable of taking a game over. He's shown he can do that plenty of times. He's been the Finals 5 times in a row. Who's responsible for that if he's not able to take over games? That's why the swept the Hawks, because the Cavs have Lebron and the Hawks don't. Same thing I said the last 2 years where the Pacers keep losing to him. We didn't have Lebron. And PG was not there yet...

[ImKobe]

Didn't read. Let's just agree to disagree. We're civilized people. Shaq is better. Let's have a drink. What you say? Yeeaaaaahhhh

http://myreactiongifs.com/gifs/beardedguyheadnod.gif

As in, you can't dispute the facts listed and Shaq without Kobe is a career loser with a sidekick ring at the tail end of his career :applause:

Next round is on me.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

EDIT:


So Lebron didn't drop 30 points in a row on the Pistons? Let's not act like Lebron has never closed the deal, hell he's done it a few times this post season already. Just because Lebron is more pass first than other greats, doesn't make any less capable of taking a game over. He's shown he can do that plenty of times. He's been the Finals 5 times in a row. Who's responsible for that if he's not able to take over games? That's why the swept the Hawks, because the Cavs have Lebron and the Hawks don't. Same thing I said the last 2 years where the Pacers keep losing to him. We didn't have Lebron. And PG was not there yet...

What's that gotta do with his finals "performance" in 2011? Sure, of all ATG players Kobe is the guy more likely to break an offense - but on the flipside of that coin, LeBron is more likely to disappear into obscurity.

YIN and YANG basically :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

So Lebron didn't drop 30 points in a row on the Pistons? Let's not act like Lebron has never closed the deal, hell he's done it a few times this post season already. Just because Lebron is more pass first than other greats, doesn't make any less capable of taking a game over. He's shown he can do that plenty of times. He's been the Finals 5 times in a row. Who's responsible for that if he's not able to take over games? That's why the swept the Hawks, because the Cavs have Lebron and the Hawks don't. Same thing I said the last 2 years where the Pacers keep losing to him. We didn't have Lebron. And PG was not there yet...

No, he didn't.

[lilteapot]

Shaq just seems like an insufferable prick with an enormous ego and a huge attitude problem. I'd play with Kobe over him any day of the week.

[Dro]

No, he didn't.
Ok, so how many points did he drop. I didn't look it up obviously. All I know is the Pistons couldn't stop him and they were the best defensive team in the league. Some of these guys are either Kobe stans or Lebron stans and they only argue for one side, never seeing the other. That's not me. I'm not a stan of anybody, hell I don't even have a favorite Pacer. But I know damn well Lebron has had plenty of "alpha" moments, stupid azz word by the way for internet forums.

[tpols]

Ok, so how many points did he drop. I didn't look it up obviously. All I know is the Pistons couldn't stop him and they were the best defensive team in the league. Some of these guys are either Kobe stans or Lebron stans and they only argue for one side, never seeing the other. That's not me. I'm not a stan of anybody, hell I don't even have a favorite Pacer. But I know damn well Lebron has had plenty of "alpha" moments, stupid azz word by the way for internet forums.

Every star has had alpha moments. Not many have had 2011 level beta moment.. in fact none really have

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Every star has had alpha moments. Not many have had 2011 level beta moment.. in fact none really have
Exactly.

[ImKobe]

Ok, so how many points did he drop. I didn't look it up obviously. All I know is the Pistons couldn't stop him and they were the best defensive team in the league. Some of these guys are either Kobe stans or Lebron stans and they only argue for one side, never seeing the other. That's not me. I'm not a stan of anybody, hell I don't even have a favorite Pacer. But I know damn well Lebron has had plenty of "alpha" moments, stupid azz word by the way for internet forums.

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but he wasn't the one that closed out Game 6 of that series.

Boobie Gibson alone had 19 points in the 4th vs Detroit's 16.

[Dro]

What does that have to with his finals "performance" in 2011? Sure, of all ATG players Kobe is the guy more likely to break an offense - but on the flipside of that coin, LeBron is most likely to disappear into obscurity.

YIN and YANG basically :confusedshrug:
So all of this over ONE Finals, even though the man has been to 5 STRAIGHT while he was the best player in the league for basically ALL of those years. Everyone in the NBA basically knows he's the best of the last 10 years or so, its only internet stans (not calling you a stan) that try to hate on him. But I'm a grown man, I don't have a reason to hate on the one of the best players the game has ever seen. All the off the court stuff, again, I don't really care. I'm grown. Honestly, I don't even care about the Shaq and Kobe beef. Like others have said, the worst part is Kobe snitching. Thats a no no. Other than that :confusedshrug:

But I don't see how Lebron is the most likely to disappear into obscurity when he's far and away pretty much the most successful guy of his era and he hasn't always been on stacked teams. And the main reason his teams are considered "stacked" is because of him.

Honestly, his Cavs team isn't even stacked because if Jr. Smith, Shumpers, Love, Irving, all of these guys..If they weren't playing with him and his outstanding passing ability and ability to see the game a few steps in advance like Magic and other greats, his teammates wouldn't be half as effective and wouldn't be feared whatsoever by the opponent. Just like when they were on their previous teams.

The fact is Lebron turns his teammates into bigger threats with his play style. Can you say that about Kobe? Nope. You could say his teammates are threat because of Kobe's presence on the floor, but definitely not because of his play style.

Like I said, I'll take the opinions of his peers over the majority of internet posters who are only hating because they are fans of his peers/competition.

This thread, most of you guys are Kobe/Laker fans. I don't see hardly any neutral NBA fans in here downing Lebron or making a big deal out of 1 bad Finals appearance(and it was bad). Especially when that same guy went on to win 2 championships directly afterwards...You guys ignore the greatness and focus on the bad which are few and far between. Honestly, just off the top of my head, I can't think of many years other than 2011 where I would not have wanted Lebron leading my team instead of Kobe.

[CJ Mustard]

If Bynum and Ariza were healthy and playing the minutes they did in 09, Lakers would have 3-peated.
Uh...no. The CELTICS would've 3-peated of they were remotely healthy in 09 or 10. There was nothing Andrew ****ing Bynum or Trevor Ariza could've done about that asswhooping in 08.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So all of this over ONE Finals, even though the man has been to 5 STRAIGHT while he was the best player in the league for basically

But I thought we were just talking about one of Kobe's finals (2004)? I mean, he's never played worse right? Funny thing is, though, Kobe's 2004 finals were STILL better than LeBron's finals in 2011, which again, was the worst finals performance of any ATG.


But I don't see how Lebron is the most likely to disappear into obscurity

But again, of all the ATGs, he's had the worst finals performance of them all.

Like you, I don't stan many if any players. I'm just calling it like I see it. :confusedshrug:

[lilteapot]

So all of this over ONE Finals, even though the man has been to 5 STRAIGHT while he was the best player in the league for basically ALL of those years. Everyone in the NBA basically knows he's the best of the last 10 years or so, its only internet stans (not calling you a stan) that try to hate on him. But I'm a grown man, I don't have a reason to hate on the one of the best players the game has ever seen. All the off the court stuff, again, I don't really care. I'm grown. Honestly, I don't even care about the Shaq and Kobe beef. Like others have said, the worst part is Kobe snitching. Thats a no no. Other than that :confusedshrug:

But I don't see how Lebron is the most likely to disappear into obscurity when he's far and away pretty much the most successful guy of his era and he hasn't always been on stacked teams. And the main reason his teams are considered "stacked" is because of him.

Honestly, his Cavs team isn't even stacked because if Jr. Smith, Shumpers, Love, Irving, all of these guys..If they weren't playing with him and his outstanding passing ability and ability to see the game a few steps in advance like Magic and other greats, his teammates wouldn't be half as effective and wouldn't be feared whatsoever by the opponent. Just like when they were on their previous teams.

The fact is Lebron turns his teammates into bigger threats with his play style. Can you say that about Kobe? Nope. You could say his teammates are threat because of Kobe's presence on the floor, but definitely not because of his play style.

Like I said, I'll take the opinions of his peers over the majority of internet posters who are only hating because they are fans of his peers/competition.

This thread, most of you guys are Kobe/Laker fans. I don't see hardly any neutral NBA fans in here downing Lebron or making a big deal out of 1 bad Finals appearance(and it was bad). Especially when that same guy went on to win 2 championships directly afterwards...You guys ignore the greatness and focus on the bad which are few and far between. Honestly, just off the top of my head, I can't think of many years other than 2011 where I would not have wanted Lebron leading my team instead of Kobe.


Why are you bothering to write a lengthy response to that guy? He's clearly a troll.

[ImKobe]

Uh...no. The CELTICS would've 3-peated of they were remotely healthy in 09 or 10. There was nothing Andrew ****ing Bynum or Trevor Ariza could've done about that asswhooping in 08.

Umm, if Lakers don't give up a 20-point lead in Game 4, series goes 7 games minimum

Ariza in 09 shot 48% from 3 in the Playoffs and he's an elite defender...obviously would be a better option than Luke Walton or Vladimir Radmanovic

Bynum would be a better big off the bench than Ronnie fricken Turiaf

"remotely healthy"?, 09 KG was the only player injured, 2010 Perkins was the only player who got injured, and not until Game 6 of the Finals

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

People are funny. If you don't agree with them, suddenly you don't appreciate said players "greatness".

I've said it time and again - LeBron is a Top 10 ATG, and arguably the best player in today's game. Not sure what else needs to be said? :confusedshrug:

[Rooster]

Uh...no. The CELTICS would've 3-peated of they were remotely healthy in 09 or 10. There was nothing Andrew ****ing Bynum or Trevor Ariza could've done about that asswhooping in 08.

Space Cadet can play D like Ariza and Mbenga have that defensive presence like Bynum.

[ImKobe]

People are funny. If you don't agree with them, suddenly you don't appreciate said players "greatness".

I've said it time and again - LeBron is a Top 10 ATG, and arguably the best player in today's game. Not sure what else needs to be said? :confusedshrug:

Yeah well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yeah well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
Where do you rank LeBron, pimp? :banana:

[chazzy]

There are 5 Lakers (Magic, KAJ, Wilt, Shaq, Kobe) ahead in the GOAT rankings of the greatest Rocket that will ever exist.

Now burn...
Ouch

[ImKobe]

Where do you rank LeBron, pimp? :banana:

right now? behind Hakeem, who is 10th on my all-time list. They have the same amount of championship runs, Hakeem's runs were more impressive and he had bigger games than Lebron did in his b2b titles, and with less help.

That's not to say that he won't surpass him with his longetivity, but right now I can't put Lebron above him.

[TheBigVeto]

Kobe would wreck shaq

LOL. Just because Kobe wrecked a team with Shaq, Karl Malone and Gary Payton, doesn't mean he can wreck him in a fight dawg.

[dubeta]

LOL. Just because Kobe wrecked a team with Shaq, Karl Malone and Gary Payton, doesn't mean he can wreck him in a fight dawg.

:roll: :roll:

[Lensanity]

Too bad he didn't actually do it