ESPN just exposed LeBron

[konex]

http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg

Yikes lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

7 doe ... :oldlol: :roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What about 60 win teams as lead man?

[bigt]

To be fair that's more telling of the East than it is Lebron. He can only defeat the teams he goes against, and the West has been home to the majority of 50 win teams

[Alamо]

Just 7? I expected a lot more

[jlip]

Actually it makes the 80's look like less of a "Golden Age" with both Magic and Bird near the bottom.

[Im Still Ballin]

What about 45 win teams that have a white head coach and is of Irish origins?

[Solefade]

the east is weak but lets be real, LeBron is a top 3 seed in the east every year as well, when you're good in the regular season you're gonna face easier opponents...

[Optimus Prime]

:eek:

The facts never lie. Totally shocked that LeSPN actually reported the truth.

Kobe > Duncan >>> LeBeta confirmed.

:kobe:

:bowdown:

[Bandito]

http://www.notorious-rob.com/wp-content/files/2014/03/Damn.gif

Why did they do their boy like that though. I thought they were LSPN (Lebron & SPorts Programming Network).

[Bandito]

What about 60 win teams as lead man?
I know Lebron only has one though :lol

[macpierce]

holy shit Lebron will never forgive ESPN.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[DMV2]

To be fair that's more telling of the East than it is Lebron. He can only defeat the teams he goes against, and the West has been home to the majority of 50 win teams
He wouldn't make it to 5 straight Finals through the West. That's for sure.

[kennethgriffin]

Espn ran a story i've been preaching on message boards for years


I part of me feels honored

Another part of me feels robbed...

[Solefade]

He wouldn't make it to 5 straight Finals through the West. That's for sure.


for sure? lol

he would for sure have a better team in the West though

[JohnFreeman]

Nice cheap knockoff tv there

[plowking]

Flawed stat when you consider Bron won in a lockout year.

Should be 9, and Duncan should be higher too.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I know Lebron only has one though :lol
two

[Beastmode88]

Espn ran a story i've been preaching on message boards for years


I part of me feels honored

Another part of me feels robbed...

Not gonna lie was thinking of kenny when i saw the pic.

[kennethgriffin]

Flawed stat when you consider Bron won in a lockout year.

Should be 9, and Duncan should be higher too.


Notice they used my list and not your "estimated 50 win teams" lmao


And either way its still pathetic



But seriously.. we gonna act like someone on espn didnt javk my swag

[imnew09]

Next ESPN episode


ESPN 2 for 6

[dubeta]

Damn 24 50 win teams needed for 5 rings?


Lebron only needs 8 50 win teams for 3 rings


Another area where lebron is more efficient than Kobe :applause:

[Lebron23]

And the Warriors and Rockets are Number 8.

If we count the lock out season the 2012 Celtics, 2012 Pacers, and 2012 OKC thunder are a 50 or more wins team.

[Straight_Ballin]

for sure? lol

he would for sure have a better team in the West though

No, he would be on the Kings or the Wolves and he would not make it to the finals 5 years in a row.

[plowking]

Notice they used my list and not your "estimated 50 win teams" lmao


And either way its still pathetic



But seriously.. we gonna act like someone on espn didnt javk my swag

50 win teams doesn't speak of the quality of a team more than win percentage does. That is the whole point of your post. Showing who beat more quality teams.

Winning percentage in a season shows that. If the season changes to 120 games next season, Bron will catch Kobe in no time. I guess you'd change your tune then, like you always do.

EDIT: And it's great they are using your list. Apparently they feel knocking out a team while playing 10mpg and missing half the games in a series is enough to make the list. While knocking out teams in the lockout season isn't. ESPN clearly have a unbiased, and factually correct list.

[imnew09]

Not really surprised tho.


Been to Finals 5 times, only won 2 against 50+ wins West

Leaves him with 5 in the East his whole career :eek: :eek:

[DonDadda59]

Kobe getting credit for Shaq wins.

Why not put Pippen or Gasol up there too then? :confusedshrug:

[buddha]

90% chance whatever intern came up with that idea posts on this board.

[G0ATbe]

:lol :lol :lol

[plowking]

Kobe getting credit for Shaq wins.

Why not put Pippen or Gasol up there too then? :confusedshrug:

4ppg and 10mpg, played half the series, knocked out them Sonics doe.

Chalk that one up on Kobe's tally. Just knows how to win.

[DonDadda59]

90% chance whatever intern came up with that idea posts on this board.

Honestly, I've been convinced for a while that ESPN's worker bees read this forum. The other day they were running 30-5-5 stats on some Pauk bullshit... now they have KennethGriffin 50-win stats. Can't just be coincidence.


4ppg and 10mpg, played half the series, knocked out them Sonics doe.

Chalk that one up on Kobe's tally. Just knows how to win.

Dem intangibles. :bowdown:

[RoseCity07]

But who was years played in the NBA?

[triangleoffense]

Honestly, I've been convinced for a while that ESPN's worker bees read this forum. The other day they were running 30-5-5 stats on some Pauk bullshit... now they have KennethGriffin 50-win stats. Can't just be coincidence.



Dem intangibles. :bowdown:
for sure they read these forums.. sad that a lot of basement dwellers are pretty much doing ESPN's lower-level writing work for them.

[DMV2]

Honestly, I've been convinced for a while that ESPN's worker bees read this forum. The other day they were running 30-5-5 stats on some Pauk bullshit... now they have KennethGriffin 50-win stats. Can't just be coincidence.



Dem intangibles. :bowdown:
Sons of bitches be biting on ish !!!!:rant

[Alamо]

And the Warriors and Rockets are Number 8.

If we count the lock out season the 2012 Celtics, 2012 Pacers, and 2012 OKC thunder are a 50 or more wins team.



If you count lockout seasons that's also 1 more for Kobe and 3 more for Duncan

[plowking]

If you count lockout seasons that's also 1 more for Kobe and 3 more for Duncan

Kobe - 24
Duncan - 21
LeBron - 9

:applause:

And Bron already has more 60 win teams beat than Kobe. :applause:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Seriously though, such a revealing stat.

LeBron's 5 finals appearances just aren't what they are hyped to be.

[Dubs510]

:roll: :roll: damn

[DonDadda59]

for sure they read these forums.. sad that a lot of basement dwellers are pretty much doing ESPN's lower-level writing work for them.

And just as we're typing, they have a new 30-5-5 with 3 3-pointers made stat :lol

Somewhere, an old lion is smiling.

[oh the horror]

Seriously though, such a revealing stat.

LeBron's 5 title appearances just aren't what they are hyped to be.




They aren't. In the context of how he's done it and the level of competition he's played and his actual record of wins vs loses suddenly the illusion fades away.



ESPN builds this bullshit to sell more merch

[Lebron23]

Konex inadvertently jinxed Curry and the Warriors.

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

Seriously though, such a revealing stat.

LeBron's 5 finals appearances just aren't what they are hyped to be.


Youre welcome



Espn stole this stat from me

[triangleoffense]

And just as we're typing, they have a new 30-5-5 with 3 3-pointers made stat :lol

Somewhere, an old lion is smiling.
I'm pretty sure Bill Simmons trolls ISH periodically when the Celtics or Clippers are doing well. Also sometimes I'll be watching some of the TNT/ESPN crew call the game and they'll pull out some random stat or fact from the ISH NBA forums main page... I've also seen the tech'd out media boxes Turner Sports puts out for their game callers... for sure they are reading ISH in real-time.

[JerrySeinfeld]

:roll: :roll: :roll: god damn, never thought LeESPN would do Bron like that

On a related note, Kobe... :bowdown: respect.

[jlip]

Seriously though, such a revealing stat.

LeBron's 5 finals appearances just aren't what they are hyped to be.

What does it say about Magic's and Bird's finals appearances?

[Roundball_Rock]

A bit misleading. In 2012 OKC won 47 games and Indiana 42--in 66 games. OKC was on a 58 win pace over 82 games, Indiana 52. Boston was on a 48 win pace and won 56 games the previous year. So in effect, counting OKC and Indiana, LeBron has beaten nine 50 win teams (and could finish the year with 10, although that is unlikely). That is nothing to write home about but, as you can see, Bird had 10 while playing a similar amount of time and Magic was not that far ahead again in a similar amount of time, with 13. Does that mean Bird was a fraud too? How about Magic? A semi-fraud?

A better comparison would be their team records versus their opponents' records. Is the gap between a 65 win team and a 51 win team lesser or greater, in theory, than the gap between a 54 win team and a 49 win team? Is winning in the former case more impressive than the latter?

LeBron has reached the Finals with 50, 53, and 54 win teams. It isn't as if his teams are winning 60+ games and beating up on 47 win teams each year. His teams have been the #1 seed only thrice in his career while they have been the #2 seed five times (07', 11', 12', 14', 15'). When he has reached the Finals it has been with a #2 seed each time, except in 2013.

As a comparison, Jordan's teams were the #1 seed five times and the #2 seed twice. His teams won the top seed by 10, 16* (second best record was 10 games behind but not a division champ), 12, 8 and 4 games. Again this is comparing Chicago to the #2 seed and Chicago won it in a walk four times. The disparity would be even more lopsided if you looked at #3-#5 seeds, the type of teams which are in the second round.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What does it say about Magic's and Bird's finals appearances?
They've beaten more 50 win teams in less games played. In Magic's case, nearly double :eek:

[r15mohd]

Kobe getting credit for Shaq wins.

Why not put Pippen or Gasol up there too then? :confusedshrug:


All arbitrary to fit the agenda...nothing new. Wouldn't be surprised if Kenneth emailed ESPN everyday to post this stat :lol :lol :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

http://www.chicagonow.com/world-series-dreaming/files/2014/04/blog1.jpg

[jlip]

They've beaten more 50 win teams in less games played. :confusedshrug:

It's been firmly established that Lebron has defeated nine teams with at least a .625 win percentage (50 win pace over an 82 game season). Magic went to nine finals (three more than Lebron) and won only 13 series against a team with that minimum win %. Bird has gone to five finals, and he is near the bottom of that list also with 10. I guess the 80's claim to being the tough "Golden Age" with many stacked teams is destroyed by the graphic here. Or is only Lebron's "accomplishments" impacted by this?

[plowking]

They've beaten more 50 win teams in less games played. In Magic's case, nearly double :eek:

If it is about opponent quality, then Lebron has beaten 9 (60% win) 50 win teams, to Magic's 13.

[edrick]

The haters clinging to this garbage, like it's a slight in Lebron, he can only play who is in front of him. lol

The fact is, the bottom half that make it into the playoffs win fewer games. That mixed with the fact that when Lebron is in the playoffs, he's always in the top half, so he doesn't even face 50+ win teams until at least the second round, possibly even the conf finals.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It's been firmly established that Lebron has defeated nine teams with at least a .625 win percentage (50 win pace over an 82 game season). Magic went to nine finals (three more than Lebron) and won only 13 series against a team with that minimum win %. Bird has gone to five finals, and he is near the bottom of that list also with 10. I guess the 80's claim to being the tough "Golden Age" with many stacked teams is destroyed by the graphic here. Or is only Lebron's "accomplishments" impacted by this?
You can make believe whatever you like. I'm just going off the stats bruh... :confusedshrug:

[Magic 32]

The fact is, the bottom half that make it into the playoffs win fewer games. That mixed with the fact that when Lebron is in the playoffs, he's always in the top half, so he doesn't even face 50+ win teams until at least the second round, possibly even the conf finals.

Do you want to know how many 50+ teams Kobe has faced in the first round?

[Magic 32]

http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg

Yikes lol

Is there a youtube video from this segment?

[Roundball_Rock]

The haters clinging to this garbage, like it's a slight in Lebron, he can only play who is in front of him. lol

The fact is, the bottom half that make it into the playoffs win fewer games. That mixed with the fact that when Lebron is in the playoffs, he's always in the top half, so he doesn't even face 50+ win teams until at least the second round, possibly even the conf finals.

Plus LeBron's teams are usually not vastly above 50 wins themselves either. Here are his team's win totals by year: 35, 42, 50, 50, 45, 66, 61, 58, 46 (57 win pace), 66, 54, and 53.

So to recap LeBron's teams have won 60+ thrice, 55+ five times (counting 2012). In the other years, since 2006, his teams have won 50, 50, 45, 54 and 53.

It is true LeBron has beaten less 50 win team teams than other comparable greats but it is also true the delta between his teams and the generic 50 win team (typically a #4 or #5 seed) has been less than that of the team's of other top tier greats. LeBron has been in the Finals with teams that won 50, 58, 57 (over 82 games), 66, 54 and 53 games. Who else made the Finals thrice by age 30 with teams that won 50-54 games?

Which is more difficult? A 65 win team beating a 53 win team or a 54 win team beating a 48 win team? People are acting as if LeBron's teams are winning 65 games and facing 43 win teams in the second round.

[HOoopCityJones]

If it is about opponent quality, then Lebron has beaten 9 (60% win) 50 win teams, to Magic's 13.


What I wanna know is why do you care so much bro? Lebron is not a Heat player yet you out here getting into dog fights with ni99as over his mediocre runs to the Finals.

Tell the truth if this was the other way around and Bron had the edge on all of these cats, you wouldn't be using it as a point of contention? :confusedshrug:

[JerrySeinfeld]

Is there a youtube video from this segment?

Don't know but I saw it live and it was just Jalen Rose talking over the infograph saying that the East needs to get better, even called it the "Leastern Conference"

[plowking]

What I wanna know is why do you care so much bro? Lebron is not a Heat player yet you out here getting into dog fights with ni99as over his mediocre runs to the Finals.

Tell the truth if this was the other way around and Bron had the edge on all of these cats, you wouldn't be using it as a point of contention? :confusedshrug:

I would. It is about presenting the facts in the most objective way possible.

Who cares if Bron isn't a Heat player? Why do you keep bringing it up?

I mentioned Duncan should have more too. Is he a Heat player? It is a basketball forum. I talk about basketball players.

[sportjames23]

What I wanna know is why do you care so much bro? Lebron is not a Heat player yet you out here getting into dog fights with ni99as over his mediocre runs to the Finals.

Tell the truth if this was the other way around and Bron had the edge on all of these cats, you wouldn't be using it as a point of contention? :confusedshrug:


:cheers:

[HOoopCityJones]

I would. It is about presenting the facts in the most objective way possible.

Who cares if Bron isn't a Heat player? Why do you keep bringing it up?

I mentioned Duncan should have more too. Is he a Heat player? It is a basketball forum. I talk about basketball players.

Ignore the hyperbole , the point is you would use the argument you're trying to debate against and that makes no sense.

[Young X]

Roundball Rock in here making a bunch of excuses.

[tpols]

Roundball Rock in here making a bunch of excuses.

Yup.. even if you adjust for lockout seasons.. still. Lebron out east has played half the comp mj and kobe did.

[Magic 32]

I would. It is about presenting the facts in the most objective way possible.


Stats are stats.

Except then they go against Lebron.

Then we need to put things in "perspective". :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

What a c*nt

[jstern]

This is a true example of a ridiculous comparison. Because 19 year old Bryant's 2 ppg against a 61 wins Super Sonic team had nothing to do with him. Kobe is one of the luckiest NBA players ever.

[rzp]

Yup.. even if you adjust for lockout seasons.. still. Lebron out east has played half the comp mj and kobe did.

And half of supporting cast kobe did?

[plowking]

Stats are stats.

Except then they go against Lebron.

Then we need to put things in "perspective". :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

What a c*nt

So what does this stat intend to show, aside from playing teams that reached a certain mark?

Quality of opposition? Simply number of wins? Ability to beat better teams but not lesser teams?

What is the ultimate goal of this stat outside of just saying 50 win teams?

[rzp]

This is a true example of a ridiculous comparison. Because 19 year old Bryant's 2 ppg against a 61 wins Super Sonic team had nothing to do with him. Kobe is one of the luckiest NBA players ever.

yup... id like to see the amazing kobe victories numbers w/o shaq years :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

:roll: :roll:

[plowking]

yup... id like to see the amazing kobe victories numbers w/o shaq years :oldlol:

Even then, you can't really count the time he beat Houston in 2009 either. Yao and T-Mac both out in that series, who were clearly the biggest reason the team is at 50 wins... Just a flawed stat all round.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Surprised LeESPN published this. Brutal. And i thought the 80s West was weak

[HOoopCityJones]

yup... id like to see the amazing kobe victories numbers w/o shaq years :oldlol:

How many would Lebron even have without the Bosh-Wade-Bron years? 3 or 4? :oldlol:

This shit goes both ways.

[boldarblood]

Flawed stat when you consider Bron won in a lockout year.

Should be 9, and Duncan should be higher too.

really struggling for that one aren't you.

[chazzy]

Even then, you can't really count the time he beat Houston in 2009 either. Yao and T-Mac both out in that series, who were clearly the biggest reason the team is at 50 wins... Just a flawed stat all round.
1.Wtf are you talking about. Tmac barely played that year..

2. Yao played 3 full games against the Lakers and they were down 2-1. He didn't miss the entire series

[tpols]

And half of supporting cast kobe did?
Not really..

since bron entered his prime in 08 09 ish hes had above average teams with insane star power help at his peak.

Kobe had better teams to start, waaaaay worse at his peak, and the same relative to completion help late prime.

The competition has outweighed the help given all brons team hopping in his prime

[iamgine]

http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg

Yikes lol
Meaningless stat really.

[HOoopCityJones]

1.Wtf are you talking about. Tmac barely played that year..

2. Yao played 3 full games against the Lakers and they were down 2-1. He didn't miss the entire series

He's grasping at straws at this point.

[ukfan22]

how would kobe have 24 and shaq not be on that list

[Ne 1]

for sure? lol

he would for sure have a better team in the West though
The Heat were perfectly built for a permiter star, and they got upset by the Mavs and brutally raped by the Spurs 8-3. So they aren't making the Finals in 2011 or 2014 and 2012 and 2013 are 50/50 given the state of the Heat.

[plowking]

1.Wtf are you talking about. Tmac barely played that year..

2. Yao played 3 full games against the Lakers and they were down 2-1. He didn't miss the entire series

1. He played in nearly half their wins.

2. Yao missed more than half the series.

Not really beating the 50 win team they look to be on paper.

[Cali Syndicate]

Nice cheap knockoff tv there

Vizio is a knockoff brand?

[rzp]

How many would Lebron even have without the Bosh-Wade-Bron years? 3 or 4? :oldlol:

This shit goes both ways.


U are completely retard if u think 4 years with Bosha and half-leg-Wade are somehow equal to 8 years with a prime Shaq. There is no both ways.

[HOoopCityJones]

U are completely retard if u think 4 years with Bosha and half-leg-Wade are somehow equal to 8 years with a prime Shaq. There is no both ways.

It doesn't matter, if you wanna make pre and post Talent comparisons , make them both ways. Kobe has done more without Shaq than vice versa , yet some of you wanna act like it's some instant argument for why Kobe has had success.

So again, go see what his record is pre collusion and Kobe's record post Shaq and we can have a real discussion about it , if not take your Lebron agenda throating ass somewhere with that weak ass shit.


And Lmao at half a leg Wade, the same Wade who could've won 2011 Finals MVP if Lebron doesn't literally throw the series? Or Bosh who if not for him returning to the line up , The Heat lose game 6 in 2012 to the Celtics.

[rzp]

Not really..

since bron entered his prime in 08 09 ish hes had above average teams with insane star power help at his peak.

Kobe had better teams to start, waaaaay worse at his peak, and the same relative to completion help late prime.

The competition has outweighed the help given all brons team hopping in his prime

Riiiight... Kobe had 3 years w/o a great supporting cast, in his WHOLE CAREER.... the exact same number of years Lebron HAD a great supporting cast (your labelled insane star power help :lol ).

sounds pretty fair to me :rolleyes:

[TheMarkMadsen]

bran stans and especially PlowKing are shook af :roll: :roll:

go ahead ******s, only count from 01-12

Kobe still twice as many...

matter of fact.. just do 08-10..

KOBE WOULD STILL HAVE MORE

:roll: :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

1.Wtf are you talking about. Tmac barely played that year..

2. Yao played 3 full games against the Lakers and they were down 2-1. He didn't miss the entire series

Even if you were to acknowledge these injuries, we'd have to ALSO do the same for teams LeBron has played.

50-32 Bulls- Gasol missing 2 games in their series

This brings LeBron down to 6, putting him even further back from the group. Man this stat is not very favorable for his fans. :oldlol:

[Droid101]

lol the 09 Laker haters coming out again.

Better run than any of bran's, period.

Stay mad.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe has just always played better talent in the superior conference , there shouldn't be any debate.

[funnystuff]

24 and only 5 rings? :confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

24 and only 5 rings? :confusedshrug:

Tim and Dirk has the other 6.

[TheMarkMadsen]

24 and only 5 rings? :confusedshrug:

that diss attempt doesn't even make sense,

it's harder to maintain a high level of play when you are constantly battling the best the NBA has to offer

it would be much more preferable to walk through a cup cake conference playing a bunch of 40 win teams, and then have to play only one team that is actually elite after you've gone through 3 cup cake teams

bran stans are so dumb i swear

[PickernRoller]

LeTards shook...:roll: :roll: :oldlol:

[plowking]

Kobe has just always played better talent in the superior conference , there shouldn't be any debate.

Kobe has for the most part played with better talent.

[plowking]

bran stans and especially PlowKing are shook af :roll: :roll:

go ahead ******s, only count from 01-12

Kobe still twice as many...

matter of fact.. just do 08-10..

KOBE WOULD STILL HAVE MORE

:roll: :roll:

And at the end it doesn't matter.

Most people still consider Bron a better player...

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe has for the most part played with better talent.

Shaq is the only superior talent Kobe has played with, he elevated Gasol's game to another level.


You guys can name drop Shaq and Gasol til the cows come home, but they're two separate players on two different squads and either one of those repeating Teams were two deep at a time.


Compared to the six All-star caliber players Lebron has won with. Keep reaching tho.

[TheMarkMadsen]

And at the end it doesn't matter.

Most people still consider Bron a better player...

you seem really confident about that..

must be why you have the most post in this thread..

:rolleyes: :roll:

[HOoopCityJones]

you seem really confident about that..

must be why you have the most post in this thread

:rolleyes: :roll:

Aww shit. :oldlol:

[plowking]

Shaq is the only superior talent Kobe has played with, he elevated Gasol's game to another level.


You guys can name drop Shaq and Gasol til the cows come home, but they're two separate players on two different squads and either one of those repeating Teams were two deep at a time.


Compared to the six All-star caliber players Lebron has won with. Keep reaching tho.

What are you talking about?

Kobe's Laker teams were great. Those 3 peat Laker teams are one of the greatest teams of all time.

Look at the team with Gasol too. You gave two towers in the middle of the key, both offensively polished, have one of the best all around players in Odom, then guys like Artest, Ariza, Fisher, etc helping out. They were far more rounded than any team Bron has ever played on.

He played on the top heavy Heat, and then the defense+shooters Cavs... which has almost repeated itself this post season run.

[HOoopCityJones]

What are you talking about?

Kobe's Laker teams were great. Those 3 peat Laker teams are one of the greatest teams of all time.

Look at the team with Gasol too. You gave two towers in the middle of the key, both offensively polished, have one of the best all around players in Odom, then guys like Artest, Ariza, Fisher, etc helping out. They were far more rounded than any team Bron has ever played on.

He played on the top heavy Heat, and then the defense+shooters Cavs... which has almost repeated itself this post season run.

:roll:

You reachin bro.

[sd3035]

Don't do Lebaldo like that ESPN, he's your boy :lebronamazed:

[plowking]

you seem really confident about that..

must be why you have the most post in this thread..

:rolleyes: :roll:

Confident about what? Something that is?

The two don't correlate with each other.

I have the most posts in here because I'm trying to understand the backwards logic of most Kobe fans in here.

"oh 24 wins, so much more!"
Great work putting things into context. 3ppg in 10mpg counts as eliminating a 50 win team, as if he had anything to do with it. 16ppg on 37% counts as him eliminating this 50 win team as well.

I'm trying to spark some conversation into how to interpret the stat, yet Kobe fans keep ignoring the above. Care to shed some light on it? Or is it going to keep being ignored?

[PsychoBe]

Confident about what? Something that is?

The two don't correlate with each other.

I have the most posts in here because I'm trying to understand the backwards logic of most Kobe fans in here.

"oh 24 wins, so much more!"
Great work putting things into context. 3ppg in 10mpg counts as eliminating a 50 win team, as if he had anything to do with it. 16ppg on 37% counts as him eliminating this 50 win team as well.

I'm trying to spark some conversation into how to interpret the stat, yet Kobe fans keep ignoring the above. Care to shed some light on it? Or is it going to keep being ignored?

boiled down:

[B]5

[TheMarkMadsen]

Confident about what? Something that is?

The two don't correlate with each other.

I have the most posts in here because I'm trying to understand the backwards logic of most Kobe fans in here.

"oh 24 wins, so much more!"
Great work putting things into context. 3ppg in 10mpg counts as eliminating a 50 win team, as if he had anything to do with it. 16ppg on 37% counts as him eliminating this 50 win team as well.

I'm trying to spark some conversation into how to interpret the stat, yet Kobe fans keep ignoring the above. Care to shed some light on it? Or is it going to keep being ignored?



Confident about what? Something that is?

its such a stone cold fact that you're in here posting on every page trying to convince people you're correct :oldlol:



Great work putting things into context. 3ppg in 10mpg counts as eliminating a 50 win team, as if he had anything to do with it. 16ppg on 37% counts as him eliminating this 50 win team as well.


I'm trying to spark some conversation into how to interpret the stat, yet Kobe fans keep ignoring the above. Care to shed some light on it? Or is it going to keep being ignored?

Kobe from 08-10 has more wins over 50+ wins teams than Lebron's entire career :roll:

care to share some light on that? or is it going to keep being ignored?

[TheMarkMadsen]

I also noticed you ran away from this in the other thread


1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21 Leading Scorer = Shaq (ok kobe sucked)
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29 Leading Scorer = Shaq (kobe 21ppg)
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 20ppg)
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 19ppg minus injured game )
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 25ppg)
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 25ppg)
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21 Leading Scorer = Shaq (Kobe 27ppg)
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 27ppg)
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Kobe



16 > 7

:confusedshrug:


:roll: :roll:

holy shit you're getting destroyed

[plowking]

its such a stone cold fact that you're in here posting on every page trying to convince people you're correct :oldlol:




Kobe from 08-10 has more wins over 50+ wins teams than Lebron's entire career :roll:

care to share some light on that? or is it going to keep being ignored?

Didn't someone already make a thread showing that Kobe on average beats 53 win teams, while Bron beats 48 win teams. 5 games difference between them, and would you agree that Bron has had worse teams throughout his career?

[houston]

great players dominate period

[plowking]

I also noticed you ran away from this in the other thread




:roll: :roll:

holy shit you're getting destroyed

16 to 9 then as the leader of the team. We'll give Kobe the benefit for some of those Shaq years.

Is that really so bad considering Kobe has played 50 or so more playoff games?

[dubeta]

These Kobetards are just pathetic

LeBron beats Kobe in:

Career stats
Advanced stats
Eye test
More MVPs
Same FMVPs
Better teammate
Wins win garbage roster
Takes scrubs to the finals
Better efficiency


Are amount of 50 win teams beaten the last straw you guys have? And even that is a team accomplishment. :oldlol:

[sd3035]

What I wanna know is why do you care so much bro? Lebron is not a Heat player yet you out here getting into dog fights with ni99as over his mediocre runs to the Finals.

Tell the truth if this was the other way around and Bron had the edge on all of these cats, you wouldn't be using it as a point of contention? :confusedshrug:


It is a bit odd that Lebaldo stans always refuse to admit their single player stannery

[livinglegend]

These Kobetards are just pathetic

LeBron beats Kobe in:

Career stats
Advanced stats
Eye test
More MVPs
Same FMVPs
Better teammate
Wins win garbage roster
Takes scrubs to the finals
Better efficincy


Are amount of 50 win teams beaten the last straw you guys have? And even that is a team accomplishment. :oldlol:

Kobe stans always use team accomplishment because they know individually Lebron kills him. :lol
They use Shaq's accomplishments to boost their idol.
Does anyone know how many 50 wins teams did Horry beat?:lol

[livinglegend]

It is a bit odd that Lebaldo stans always refuse to admit their single player stannery

Proving you wrong objectively is not being a stan.
I'm personally not a Lebron stan, yet they argue a lot with Kobe stans because they are irrational.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Didn't someone already make a thread showing that Kobe on average beats 53 win teams, while Bron beats 48 win teams. 5 games difference between them, and would you agree that Bron has had worse teams throughout his career?

didn't you just ask for something.. got it.. and then changed the subject :oldlol:

and just to own you again with your own bullshit..from the thread you're talking about..


Kobe: 80% of opposition won 50+ games in regular season

Lebron: 40% of opposition won 50+ games in regular season

*All but two teams Kobe faced (44,45 wins) cleared LeBron's opposition wins average of 48.00 (90%)

*Only four teams LeBron faced (62,56,56,60 wins) cleared Kobe's opposition wins average of 53.29 (22%)


holy shit the difference in competition is massive

I'll say it again little boy

Kobe from 08-10 has more wins against 50+ win teams than Lebron does in his entire career :oldlol:

[Mr. Jabbar]

holy shit, this is brutal

[HOoopCityJones]

It is a bit odd that Lebaldo stans always refuse to admit their single player stannery

You see how they avoid certain posts like the plague? They rather live in delusion than accept the truth, yet at the same time will parade some fabricated stat propping Bron when it fits their agenda.

[livinglegend]

didn't you just ask for something.. got it.. and then changed the subject :oldlol:

and just to own you again with your own bullshit..from the thread you're talking about..



holy shit the difference in competition is massive

I'll say it again little boy

Kobe from 08-10 has more wins against 50+ win teams than Lebron does in his entire career :oldlol:

Fisher has more than Kobe. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

bran stans in this thread

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/body-bags-2.jpg

[livinglegend]

I'm waiting for a legit argument Kobe stans.
You have yet to make one.

[oh the horror]

bran stans in this thread

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/body-bags-2.jpg



They're just getting their shit pushed in prison style.

[HOoopCityJones]

I'm waiting for a legit argument Kobe stans.
You have yet to make one.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/stupid.gif

[gts]

holy shit, this is brutal:lol

[sd3035]

bran stans in this thread

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/body-bags-2.jpg


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mr. Jabbar]

bran stans in this thread

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/body-bags-2.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Fisher has more than Kobe. :oldlol: :oldlol:



I'm waiting for a legit argument Kobe stans.



:roll: :roll:

[HOoopCityJones]

bran stans in this thread

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/body-bags-2.jpg

:roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

for those who say kobe only got them cause of shaq


1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21 Leading Scorer = Shaq (ok kobe sucked)
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29 Leading Scorer = Shaq (kobe 21ppg)
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 20ppg)
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 19ppg minus injured game )
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 25ppg)
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 25ppg)
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21 Leading Scorer = Shaq (Kobe 27ppg)
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 27ppg)
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Kobe



16 > 7 as leading scorer


all but 4 are co-lead

so kobe has a legit 20

[livinglegend]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/stupid.gif

i'm still waiting.
You guys are losing right now.
Lebron stans have the lead.
Gotta present to objective judge better arguments.

[KembaWalker]

bran stans in this thread

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/body-bags-2.jpg

:pimp:

[plowking]

didn't you just ask for something.. got it.. and then changed the subject :oldlol:

and just to own you again with your own bullshit..from the thread you're talking about..

I addressed the point and moved on.

16 to 9 as the leaders of the team.





Kobe from 08-10 has more wins against 50+ win teams than Lebron does in his entire career :oldlol:

He has 10 in a 3 year span. It is a fair amount of 50 win teams...

[livinglegend]

for those who say kobe only got them cause of shaq


1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21 Leading Scorer = Shaq
[/B][/B]1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29 Leading Scorer = Shaq
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23 Leading Scorer = Shaq
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Shaq
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Shaq
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Shaq
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21 Leading Scorer = Shaq
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30 Leading Scorer = Shaq
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe




Yup, Shaq wins.
Another W to Lebron stans.

[sportjames23]

bran stans in this thread

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/body-bags-2.jpg


reck't :roll: :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

I addressed the point and moved on.

16 to 9 as the leaders of the team.





He has 10 in a 3 year span. It is a fair amount of 50 win teams...



i'l let you keep the 4 where kobe was the obvious 2nd man with 21ppg or less


but he has a legit 20



25ppg+ is more than enough

2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 25ppg)
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 25ppg)
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21 Leading Scorer = Shaq (Kobe 27ppg)
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 27ppg)
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Kobe

[HOoopCityJones]

for those who say kobe only got them cause of shaq


1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21 Leading Scorer = Shaq (ok kobe sucked)
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29 Leading Scorer = Shaq (kobe 21ppg)
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 20ppg)
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 19ppg minus injured game )
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 25ppg)
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 25ppg)
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21 Leading Scorer = Shaq (Kobe 27ppg)
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30 Leading Scorer = Shaq(kobe 27ppg)
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28 Leading Scorer = Kobe
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32 Leading Scorer = Kobe



16 > 7

http://media3.giphy.com/media/Nx2Lx1RmLadtC/giphy.gif

[plowking]

Furthermore, the argument is clearly that Lebron faces weak teams. It has been said several times in this thread, but Kobe fans keep acting as if the lockout season doesn't count. You extrapolate the data, and you get two more 50 win teams.

Why keep saying 7 when it is 9?

So is the argument quality of opposition? No one has answered this for me?

[Rose'sACL]

Lebron was drafted to the cavs and Kobe has played his entire career for Lakers.
People use this east argument but conveniently forget that lebron would have been on better teams throughout his career if he was drafted by 13 out of 15 west teams.
Wolves really are the only team in the west that have failed to get a great supporting cast around their star player.

[HOoopCityJones]

Ploking in this thread right now

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/dancingboxer2nh7.gif

[LeFraud James]

The haters clinging to this garbage, like it's a slight in Lebron, he can only play who is in front of him. lol

The fact is, the bottom half that make it into the playoffs win fewer games. That mixed with the fact that when Lebron is in the playoffs, he's always in the top half, so he doesn't even face 50+ win teams until at least the second round, possibly even the conf finals.

It's one thing to play who's in front of you, it's a completely different thing to repeatedly stack the deck in your favor in an already historically weak conference.

[kennethgriffin]

Furthermore, the argument is clearly that Lebron faces weak teams. It has been said several times in this thread, but Kobe fans keep acting as if the lockout season doesn't count. You extrapolate the data, and you get two more 50 win teams.

Why keep saying 7 when it is 9?


on espn they said 7... so if the 2 lockouts dont count according to the lehype machine themselves.. why would we count them?

but take them if you want... heck we'l even throw in another 2 ontop


hows 11 sound.. want more? 12?


take 13

:lol

[livinglegend]

Furthermore, the argument is clearly that Lebron faces weak teams. It has been said several times in this thread, but Kobe fans keep acting as if the lockout season doesn't count. You extrapolate the data, and you get two more 50 win teams.

Why keep saying 7 when it is 9?

So is the argument quality of opposition? No one has answered this for me?

They like playing with arbitary numbers like little babies to waste time.
At first I thought their argument was quality of opponent, but when I saw 2012 Thunder was excluded, I realized that all they want is to waste time and have something to do in their sad life.

[kennethgriffin]

They like playing with arbitary numbers like little babies to waste time.
At first I thought their argument was quality of opponent, but when I saw 2012 Thunder was excluded, I realized that they want is to waste time and have something to do in their sad life.


espn excluded them



know why? cause lockout seasons dont ****ing count... even lebrons marketing team doesnt count that shit

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



but seriously.. if you need 2 bonus ones... go ahead



kobe gets 1 bonus from his lockout year then


dickheads

:roll: :roll: :roll:


25 >>>>>>>>>>>9

[HOoopCityJones]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1431642.1377010438!/img/httpImage/jacobs.gif

[plowking]

They like playing with arbitary numbers like little babies to waste time.
At first I thought their argument was quality of opponent, but when I saw 2012 Thunder was excluded, I realized that all they want is to waste time and have something to do in their sad life.

I still haven't been told what the argument is.

If the season is cut to 50 games, how will previous players ever stack up to current ones in this clearly unbiased, great stat?

Clearly no player from then on will be able to match what others did before them.

[livinglegend]

Can anyone make the list of all teams Kobe and Lebron beat when leading thir team in scoring, rebounding and assists?
That way we can see who got carried and who had to carry. :hammerhead:

[HOoopCityJones]

Stay down!

[plowking]

espn excluded them



know why? cause lockout seasons dont ****ing count... even lebrons marketing team doesnt count that shit

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



but seriously.. if you need 2 bonus ones... go ahead



kobe gets 1 bonus from his lockout year then


dickheads

:roll: :roll: :roll:


25 >>>>>>>>>>>9

Cool.

Now do we count playing half the series and averaging 3ppg in 10mpg?
Or 16ppg on 37% shooting?

[HOoopCityJones]

Can anyone make the list of all teams Kobe and Lebron beat when leading thir team in scoring, rebounding and assists?
That way we can see who got carried and who had to carry. :hammerhead:


All you and Plo are doing is moving Goal posts. The topic of the thread is in the OP.

[livinglegend]

espn excluded them



know why? cause lockout seasons dont ****ing count... even lebrons marketing team doesnt count that shit

but seriously.. if you need 2 bonus ones... go ahead



kobe gets 1 bonus from his lockout year then


dickheads

:roll: :roll: :roll:


25 >>>>>>>>>>>9

Do you have Horry's stats?

[livinglegend]

All you and Plo are doing is moving Goal posts. The topic of the thread is in the OP.

if i get time, i will do it.
And i know it will bother you because you are stupid. :lol :lol

[sportjames23]

Ploking in this thread right now

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/dancingboxer2nh7.gif


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Ne 1]

Do you have Horry's stats?
Horry is a role player. He can't be compared to elite players. C'mon man.

[HOoopCityJones]

if i get time, i will do it.
And i know it will bother you because you are stupid. :lol :lol

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50ucdAwah1rx20w7o1_500.gif

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This thread right now..

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr06/2013/7/4/11/anigif_enhanced-buzz-29313-1372950034-32.gif

[livinglegend]

Horry is a role player. He can't be compared to elite players. C'mon man.

If Kobe got 1 for his 3 ppg, when can't Horry get credited for 50 wins teams he won against?
Is Horry GOAT?

[plowking]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I'm still not even sure which argument I'm losing, or which one they're trying to argue.

No one can explain to me why the lockout season extrapolated for an 82 game season shouldn't count. It still shows quality of opposition.

[livinglegend]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50ucdAwah1rx20w7o1_500.gif

he mad :lol :lol :lol

[AirFederer]

Lol, no Bron Stan, but how is he exposed? He can't beat 60 win teams if they are not there. Also, guy has been to five straight finals.

Exposed :facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

This thread right now..

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr06/2013/7/4/11/anigif_enhanced-buzz-29313-1372950034-32.gif

To sum it up in a single gif.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/1a60c7dad0eb2891b5f9a9b329f1dd34/tumblr_mkyjh8JcCx1r2v3wno1_400.gif

[livinglegend]

Someone answer plowking's question, otherwise, i will have to give Kobe stans another L.
And you can't afford more. :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

Bro, he hasn't said shit.

You sucking the *** of a ni99a who is changing his arguments every time someone counters his posts.

Only thing left to do is post gifs of ni99as getting knocked the fucc out.

[livinglegend]

Bro, he hasn't said shit.

You sucking the *** of a ni99a who is changing his arguments every time someone counters his posts.

Only thing left to do is post gifs of ni99as getting knocked the fucc out.

Take this L.

next

[Ne 1]

I'm still not even sure which argument I'm losing, or which one they're trying to argue.

No one can explain to me why the lockout season extrapolated for an 82 game season shouldn't count. It still shows quality of opposition.

The issue is teams build their rosters for 82 games seasons, then all of the sudden, you have a year like 1999 and 2012 with a shortened season and it changes which teams stand to benefit. If all teams played lesser games every year in but in a more cramped schedule, it would change how teams built their rosters. But obviously it would still be fair because it would be what all teams prepared for. So you can't compare a lock out seasons in contrast with what teams accomplished in a full season, it's just not the same accomplishment.

[livinglegend]

The issue is teams build their rosters for 82 games seasons, then all of the sudden, you have a year with a shortened season and it changes which teams stand to benefit. If all teams played lesser games every year in but in a more cramped schedule, it would change how teams built their rosters. But obviously it would still be fair because it would be what all teams prepared for. So you can't compare a lock out seasons in contrast with what teams accomplished in a full season.

How exactly did Miami benefit more than Thunder or any other team that season?


I'll be waiting for your reponses.

[plowking]

The issue is teams build their rosters for 82 games seasons, then all of the sudden, you have a year like 1999 and 2012 with a shortened season and it changes which teams stand to benefit. If all teams played lesser games every year in but in a more cramped schedule, it would change how teams built their rosters. But obviously it would still be fair because it would be what all teams prepared for. So you can't compare a lock out seasons in contrast with what teams accomplished in a full season, it's just not the same accomplishment.

But it is about quality of opposition. So, at the end of the day, that quality is all that matters. The teams in that season were the quality, and if extrapolated, they measure up to the metric that is being used. So they qualify.

EDIT: And you're saying they can't compare, but you know very well had a team gone 50-16 and played Lebron, then they would have been on the list, hence, they were in fact compared.

[HOoopCityJones]

http://37.media.tumblr.com/b6a187c67fded86e0b9f0ac0a20f6923/tumblr_mu2x5vVeAf1qdlh1io1_250.gif

[kennethgriffin]

i dont understand bran stans fascination with getting the lockout victories bumped up to 50 win teams and 2 added to 7

and they dont want 1 of kobes to count...they also dont want kobes lockout counted

they want 25 turned into 23

and 7 turned into 9


that still leaves lebron a little short



http://24.media.tumblr.com/999ead78c9a7de429e3c2ce70d9a796f/tumblr_n1ls26Gwix1smcbm7o1_250.gif

[Out_In_Utah]

:roll:

[Wade's Rings]

Who has defeated more 60+ Win Teams? Kobe or Bron?

[Poetry]

and 7 turned into 9


that still leaves lebron a little short

The Mailman has 10, that ESPN list isn't even complete.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Its jokes how the Bran stans in here talk about records and oppositions, if ands buts. But always bring up how Bran never lost in the 1st round despite the garbage competition he played:oldlol: :oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

The Mailman has 10, that ESPN list isn't even complete.

Champs only.

[Rose'sACL]

So lebron only gets to face these 50 wins west teams but never gets to play on one like every star in the west other than KG.
Nash has had great teams around him, Kobe has had that, shaq had that, dirk has had that, harden has had that, even melo had a pretty good team around him.

So you want to say that west has great teams from 1st to 10th seed but lebron will not benefit from it apparently.

[IllegalD]

A moment of silence to our fallen brothers and sisters in La LeBron Famiglia... :(

[IllegalD]

So lebron only gets to face these 50 wins west teams but never gets to play on one like every star in the west other than KG.
Nash has had great teams around him, Kobe has had that, shaq had that, dirk has had that, harden has had that, even melo had a pretty good team around him.

So you want to say that west has great teams from 1st to 10th seed but lebron will not benefit from it apparently.

N*gga da f*ck you talking 'bout? :wtf:

LeBron has been on Superteams for the past 5 years. :facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

So lebron only gets to face these 50 wins west teams but never gets to play on one like every star in the west other than KG.
Nash has had great teams around him, Kobe has had that, shaq had that, dirk has had that, harden has had that, even melo had a pretty good team around him.

So you want to say that west has great teams from 1st to 10th seed but lebron will not benefit from it apparently.
da **** are you trying to say

speak english


"gets to"? lol wtf ...

[Mr. Jabbar]

A moment of silence to our fallen brothers and sisters in La LeBron Famiglia... :(


lettuce remember their good moments, when bran was beating sub 50 teams

[HOoopCityJones]

Yooo this thread has Goat reread value , good lord.

[kennethgriffin]

Who has defeated more 60+ Win Teams? Kobe or Bron?
they both have 2


but we're gonna act like the hawks didnt only got 60 wins cause they played in the crap east


youre telling me this years hawks are better than the 2000 portland trailblazers?

put that team of 10 allstars in todays east and they win 70

[LeFraud James]

Can anyone make the list of all teams Kobe and Lebron beat when leading thir team in scoring, rebounding and assists?
That way we can see who got carried and who had to carry. :hammerhead:

When you dominate the ball the way LeBron does, it would be a shame if he didn't lead his teams in all of those statistical categories. Especially when you consider the fact that he's got the body of a greek god coupled with elite athleticism.

I'll tell you what is a shame though. The fact that LeBron has only won 2 rings despite playing against lesser competition on teams he's hand-picked himself, all while being one of the greatest to ever grasp a basketball.

Sit down, shut up, and take your lumps.

[HOoopCityJones]

When you dominate the ball the way LeBron does, it would be a shame if he didn't lead his teams in all of those statistical categories. Especially when you consider the fact that he's got the body of a greek god coupled with elite athleticism.

I'll tell you what is a shame though. The fact that LeBron has only won 2 rings despite playing against lesser competition on teams he's hand-picked himself, all while being one of the greatest to ever grasp a basketball.

Sit down, shut up, and take your lumps.

Exactly what other player in the league is basically gifted with the chance of dominating all stats on his Team? You think Love or Irving couldn't lead The Cavs in rebounds and assts? Hell no, cuz Lebald will disappear faster than Nightcrawler at the White House in X2.

[Rose'sACL]

da **** are you trying to say

speak english


"gets to"? lol wtf ...
Kenneth: west is way better but if lebron was in the west,he'd still have to play on shitty teams for most of his career.
So decide. Is western conference better from top to bottom compared to east or is it not?

[plowking]

i dont understand bran stans fascination with getting the lockout victories bumped up to 50 win teams and 2 added to 7

and they dont want 1 of kobes to count...they also dont want kobes lockout counted

they want 25 turned into 23

and 7 turned into 9



No one said Kobe's one in lockout shouldn't count. We are counting it.

You just have to take out 3ppg in 10mpg.



they both have 2


but we're gonna act like the hawks didnt only got 60 wins cause they played in the crap east

So you are still counting the 3ppg on 10mpg against the Sonics where he only played 3 games. :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

When you dominate the ball the way LeBron does, it would be a shame if he didn't lead his teams in all of those statistical categories. Especially when you consider the fact that he's got the body of a greek god coupled with elite athleticism.

I'll tell you what is a shame though. The fact that LeBron has only won 2 rings despite playing against lesser competition on teams he's hand-picked himself, all while being one of the greatest to ever grasp a basketball.

Sit down, shut up, and take your lumps.

What does rebounding have to do with ball dominating?


l'll be waiting for your response.
I'm still waiting for the other guy's response.

[HOoopCityJones]

What does rebounding have to do with ball dominating?


l'll be waiting for your response.
I'm still waiting for the other guy's response.

http://i.minus.com/iMdAH3wmVEDre.gif

[livinglegend]

http://i.minus.com/iMdAH3wmVEDre.gif

exactly, i knocked him out. :lol :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

exactly, i knocked him out. :lol :lol

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1154719/boxer-self-punch-o.gif

You sure did.

[LeFraud James]

What does rebounding have to do with ball dominating?


l'll be waiting for your response.
I'm still waiting for the other guy's response.

Way to cherry pick one thing off my post and ignore the rest. Reminiscent of LeBron leaving his man to stay under the basket to stat pad those beloved rebounds you nut huggers seem to enjoy so much.

When you force a team to play small against you and you have your big man boxing out the other team's lone big man, it would be pretty pathetic if you didn't pull down as many rebounds as a 6'7 250+ LeBron.

Like I said before, sit down, shut up, and take your ****ing lumps.

[LeBird]

Not sure if it has been brought up, but team record is not necessarily a definer of strength.

If in one conference you have half the teams with 60 wins and the others with 22 wins; does that make them superior to the conference where every team has a 41 win record?

It doesn't say anything about quality; it just shows that one conference is far more competitive and tougher to build a better RS record because the teams are evenly matched. Ergo, you can make the opposite argument (that the more competitive conference is tougher) using the same numbers.

[LeFraud James]

Not sure if it has been brought up, but team record is not necessarily a definer of strength.

If in one conference you have half the teams with 60 wins and the others with 22 wins; does that make them superior to the conference where every team has a 41 win record?

It doesn't say anything about quality; it just shows that one conference is far more competitive and tougher to build a better RS record because the teams are evenly matched. Ergo, you can make the opposite argument (that the more competitive conference is tougher) using the same numbers.

I think somebody's up past bedtime.

Go to sleep little one, this is a discussion for adults.

[LeBird]

I think somebody's up past bedtime.

Go to sleep little one, this is a discussion for adults.

Someone that comes online to troll a player isn't an 'adult', kid. When you get off your mom's teet, address the post...if you can.

[LeFraud James]

Someone that comes online to troll a player isn't an 'adult', kid. When you get off your mom's teet, address the post...if you can.

I would address your post if it wasn't so asinine. You act like the West is top-heavy when you know some of the worst teams in the West would make a series out of any matchup played against seeds #4-8 from the East.

[Xoush]

Konex with the quality threads :applause:

[LeBird]

I would address your post if it wasn't so asinine. You act like the West is top-heavy when you know some of the worst teams in the West would make a series out of any matchup played against seeds #4-8 from the East.

Genius, you've wasted two posts talking shit. Address the post or hold the L.

And your reply even in this post shows how much of an idiot you are. It's not just about teams from 4-8 - the RS record is garnered by taking games into account from all the teams.

So a conference can have 8 teams with 60+ win records and the rest with garbage records. It just shows that said conference is not as competitive.

It's not a statement of quality, only competitiveness. If you have a conference where every team has a big 3 that are more or less equal, logic dictates the records would be closer as the teams would be winning as much as they're losing. It means getting high win RS records harder.

So the point about not facing 50+ teams is irrelevant insofar as you're discussing quality.

Not only that, with regards to Lebron, if he was in the West he'd be joining a top 4 team in all likelihood and that team would be stacked as hell. He could be winning even more rings.

[LeFraud James]

Genius, you've wasted two posts talking shit. Address the post or hold the L.

And your reply even in this post shows how much of an idiot you are. It's not just about teams from 4-8 - the RS record is garnered by taking games into account from all the teams.

So a conference can have 8 teams with 60+ win records and the rest with garbage records. It just shows that said conference is not as competitive.

It's not a statement of quality, only competitiveness. If you have a conference where every team has a big 3 that are more or less equal, logic dictates the records would be closer as the teams would be winning as much as they're losing. It means getting high win RS records harder.

So the point about not facing 50+ teams is irrelevant insofar as you're discussing quality.

Not only that, with regards to Lebron, if he was in the West he'd be joining a top 4 team in all likelihood and that team would be stacked as hell. He could be winning even more rings.

What's the point you're trying to make? Anyone care to make sense of this hypothetical nonsense?

[LeBird]

What's the point you're trying to make? Anyone care to make sense of this hypothetical nonsense?

It's hypothetical to make a point. But it isn't hypothetical in real terms.

This is a very simple point you fail to grasp because being a hater tends to cut some of the lines to your brain:

RS record is a competitive gauge, not of quality. A 40 win team from one conference can be better than a 50 win team in another conference.

So judging by 50+ win teams beaten is a nonsensical argument. Especially considering Jordan is near the top and he played (and beat teams) in the weakest era in the last 30-40 years.

[Rose'sACL]

What's the point you're trying to make? Anyone care to make sense of this hypothetical nonsense?
When you are older than 10, you'll understand it.

[LeFraud James]

It's hypothetical to make a point. But it isn't hypothetical in real terms.

This is a very simple point you fail to grasp because being a hater tends to cut some of the lines to your brain:

RS record is a competitive gauge, not of quality. A 40 win team from one conference can be better than a 50 win team in another conference.

So judging by 50+ win teams beaten is a nonsensical argument. Especially considering Jordan is near the top and he played (and beat teams) in the weakest era in the last 30-40 years.

So basically you're arguing that the East is competitive?

And Rose's ACL why don't you crawl back into that hole you came from until you're ready to bring something to the table you ****ing worthless poster.

[Living Being]

http://i.imgur.com/0WwDldU.gif

[Solefade]

No, he would be on the Kings or the Wolves and he would not make it to the finals 5 years in a row.


uhmm why would he play for kings or wolves only? lol

[ImKobe]

ayy lmao

Kobe the GOAT.

[ImKobe]

Flawed stat when you consider Bron won in a lockout year.

Should be 9, and Duncan should be higher too.

Lakers beat a 31-19 Rockets team in the 98-99 lockout season, adjusted per 82 games would be a 50-win team

they beat a Nuggets team in 2012 that won 57 games the next year with the same roster

Kobe still #1 on the list :confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

Lakers beat a 31-19 Rockets team in the 98-99 lockout season, adjusted per 82 games would be a 50-win team

they beat a Nuggets team in 2012 that won 57 games the next year with the same roster

Kobe still #1 on the list :confusedshrug:

No point of even discussing anymore, Lebald throaters in here punch drunk and delusional , saying any ol thing now.

[Living Being]

Lebald throaters
http://lifepopper.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/best-fist-bump-ever-lifepopper-fun-time-4.gif

[knicksman]

Someone answer plowking's question, otherwise, i will have to give Kobe stans another L.
And you can't afford more. :lol

LOL.. Never knew 2/5 is better than 5/7:lol

[LeBird]

So basically you're arguing that the East is competitive?

And Rose's ACL why don't you crawl back into that hole you came from until you're ready to bring something to the table you ****ing worthless poster.

No, I think the East is lesser quality wise. But I don't think it's about the 50 win teams or not that prove it. That's the point. Hence why the OP or anyone putting too much stock in this stat isn't very bright. You can agree with a conclusion without agreeing with how the process took place to get to it.

[scandisk_]

Undercover bran stans shook as hell. The usual suspects can't help but defend their boy. POST WITH YOUR MAIN ACCOUNTS :roll: :roll:

Mamba Famiglia TAKE THIS W :applause:

[Dresta]

Can't be arsed to read through this long-ass thread, but lemee guess: page after page of fanboys desperate to excuse the mighty Lebron and to right the world again?

[IllegalD]

Undercover bran stans shook as hell. The usual suspects can't help but defend their boy. POST WITH YOUR MAIN ACCOUNTS :roll: :roll:

Mamba Famiglia TAKE THIS W :applause:

Hold dem W's up :rockon: :banana:

[pauk]

How does that expose Lebron? It only tells the obvious, which we have known in a long while... that the east was/is weaker than west.... not Lebrons fault... and that Jordan/Magic/Bird faced also less 50 win teams in their roads compared to Kobe.... not Jordans/Magics/Birds fault either......

However it doesnt suit your obvious agenda further than that against Lebron or Jordan/Magic/Bird.... because unfortunately to get to the Finals they still had to go through CF where they still had to beat the team who had either the 1st or 2nd best team record in the NBA and best defense most of the time in both conferences at the time....

Then when they got to the Finals and beat those best Western teams there that means if they could beat them then it surely means they could beat those "50 win teams" they beaten to get to the Finals aswell....... changes nothing except giving them more "50 win teams wins".... meaningless....

[sportjames23]

Can't be arsed to read through this long-ass thread, but lemee guess: page after page of fanboys desperate to excuse the mighty Lebron and to right the world again?


In a nutshell.

[IllegalD]

How does that expose Lebron? It only tells the obvious, which we have known in a long while... that the east was/is weaker than west.... not Lebrons fault... and that Jordan/Magic/Bird faced also less 50 win teams in their roads compared to Kobe.... not Jordans/Magics/Birds fault either......

However it doesnt suit your obvious agenda further than that with Lebron.... because unfortunately to get to the Finals he had to go through ECF where he still had to beat the team who had either the 1st or 2nd best team record in the NBA and best defense most of the time in both conferences at the time....

Then when he got to the Finals and beat Spurs / OKC there that means if he could beat them then it surely means he could beat those "50 win teams" they beaten to get to the Finals aswell....... changes nothing except giving Lebron more "50 win teams wins".... meaningless....

We're all loving your slow and gradual meltdown. All building up to the grand finale/crescendo when LeBron gets herbed out by the Warriors in the Finals. :oldlol:

I expect thesis-long posts/meltdowns from you around that time.

Stay holding these L's LeBronies. :hammerhead:

[SwayDizzle]

[QUOTE=PsychoBe]boiled down:

[B]5

[Bandito]

Can't be arsed to read through this long-ass thread, but lemee guess: page after page of fanboys desperate to excuse the mighty Lebron and to right the world again?
Great thread summary:applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

Can't be arsed to read through this long-ass thread, but lemee guess: page after page of fanboys desperate to excuse the mighty Lebron and to right the world again?

Basically what happened was...

http://i.imgur.com/YYHrn.gif

[dh144498]

Kobe with 24
:bowdown:

[dh144498]

Kobe getting credit for Shaq wins.

Why not put Pippen or Gasol up there too then? :confusedshrug:

because they aren't better players than Kobe?
:confusedshrug:

seems to me everyone in here are shook. Even if you take Kobe's career from 08, he'd still be in the teens in 50 win teams beat.

[Rake2204]

I can only imagine how awful this thread is, and I hate to lend any credence to what I'm sure is just an overabundance of well-stated and level headed opinions throughout, but dipping in out of random curiosity - was the total number of series played against 50-win teams ever covered at any point?

[robert de niro]

the east is weak but lets be real, LeBron is a top 3 seed in the east every year as well, when you're good in the regular season you're gonna face easier opponents...
well he would have faced a 50-win team in the first round if he were the second seed in the west :confusedshrug:

[choppermagic]

Actually it makes the 80's look like less of a "Golden Age" with both Magic and Bird near the bottom.

It was a golden age, but it was just top heavy with 2 GOAT teams loaded with HOF players duking it out for a decade, with a few other great teams mixed in. Just because you didn't have great 5-8 seeds didn't mean it wasn't amazing. Thats like complaining about the first under-card bout in the Ali-Foreman "Rumble in the Jungle" fight.

[kamil]

http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg

Yikes lol

God damn, talk about pathetic, lol.

[Dro]

This is a pretty silly topic actually. Who doesn't know the East is weaker than the west and has been for a long time? How in the world does this damage Lebron? What does, he pick the teams he plays against? He's beaten pretty much most of the teams that have been placed in front of him, what else is he supposed to do? Demand a trade (like another beloved star did) to the West?

[ArbitraryWater]

they really didn't count the 2012 teams (Pacers, OKC) :lol

[SwayDizzle]

Damn son, KB putting in work :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Bandito]

This is a pretty silly topic actually. Who doesn't know the East is weaker than the west and has been for a long time? How in the world does this damage Lebron? What does, he pick the teams he plays against? He's beaten pretty much most of the teams that have been placed in front of him, what else is he supposed to do? Demand a trade (like another beloved star did) to the West?


Somebody living rent free, I wonder who? Also stop with the excuses, they becoming lame and feel apologistic. desperate and pathetic.

[HOoopCityJones]

Somebody living rent free, I wonder who? Also stop with the excuses, they becoming lame and feel apologistic. desperate and pathetic.

This.

Just for once can the LBJ apologists accept that certain things about him are all hype. :facepalm

[gasolina]

This is a pretty silly topic actually. Who doesn't know the East is weaker than the west and has been for a long time? How in the world does this damage Lebron? What does, he pick the teams he plays against? He's beaten pretty much most of the teams that have been placed in front of him, what else is he supposed to do? Demand a trade (like another beloved star did) to the West?
Doesn't really damage him in anyway, just put things into perspective. Especially after LeESPN shoving the "best playoff closer", "five consecutive finals" agenda down our throats

[pastis]

just for interest: how many 50 win teams dirk defeated in his postseason career ?

[DMAVS41]

This is a pretty silly topic actually. Who doesn't know the East is weaker than the west and has been for a long time? How in the world does this damage Lebron? What does, he pick the teams he plays against? He's beaten pretty much most of the teams that have been placed in front of him, what else is he supposed to do? Demand a trade (like another beloved star did) to the West?

It doesn't "damage Lebron"...it just puts the joke competition he's played in perspective.

So when people start going on and on about making 5 straight finals...you need to put that in perspective.

Lebron could be the best player ever...and the paths he's had to the finals throughout his career would have still been jokes. Doesn't mean Lebron is lesser of a player.

Just means he's had absurdly easy paths to the finals.

[TheMan]

MJ looking good in this stat, always the alpha on his teams...but then he is the GOAT :bowdown:


Why is Kobe getting credit for series he hardly played in as a youngster :confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

MJ looking good in this stat, always the alpha on his teams...but then he is the GOAT :bowdown:


Why is Kobe getting credit for series he hardly played in as a youngster :confusedshrug:

Even if you take those games out he's still ahead.

[TheMan]

1. He played in nearly half their wins.

2. Yao missed more than half the series.

Not really beating the 50 win team they look to be on paper.
How about being consistent and using the same standard against LeBron? Atlanta without Thabo, Korver, Carroll hobbled etc in the playoffs weren't the same as the 60 win team they looked to be on paper :confusedshrug:

GTFOH you meathead

[TheMan]

Even if you take those games out he's still ahead.
Yeah, don't care to make this a Kobe vs MJ thing but Kobe has more seasons played.

[HOoopCityJones]

Whatever stiffs you up , sweetie.

[upside24]

He played the teams he had to face. Sure you can look at this and say he has had an easier route in the playoffs but who he competes against is out of his control.

The East sucks by the way so its not surprising.

[TheMan]

It's hypothetical to make a point. But it isn't hypothetical in real terms.

This is a very simple point you fail to grasp because being a hater tends to cut some of the lines to your brain:

RS record is a competitive gauge, not of quality. A 40 win team from one conference can be better than a 50 win team in another conference.

So judging by 50+ win teams beaten is a nonsensical argument. Especially considering Jordan is near the top and he played (and beat teams) in the weakest era in the last 30-40 years.:biggums: Your idiocy is breathtaking

[3ball]

I've been convinced that.. ESPN's worker bees read this forum.


Maybe they will also mention that due to spacing, players face less defenders on the strongside than previous eras.. Then I'll get to toot my horn itt like Kenneth did..

Currently, most people don't understand that one of the primary objectives of today's 3-point shooting and spacing strategy is to reduce the number of strongside defenders by using weakside floor-spreaders draw to them away.. This spacing routinely results in strongsides that only contain 1 defender (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377570).

Otoh, previous eras didn't shoot 3-pointers or employ today's spacing strategies, so defenders weren't drawn away from the strongside by weakside floor-spreaders - defenders remained on the strongside, which meant it was ALREADY FLOODED, usually with all 5 defenders (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21).. Indeed, no spacing eliminates the need for strongside floods, and shading too - you don't need to shade off your man to help on another player if you are already in close proximity TO that other player.

Gaining this kind of insight is worthwhile - currently, most media and fans are so dumb about spacing, they sing the praises of today's strongside flood tactic without realizing the tactic is only necessary BECAUSE of spacing.. Seriously, how dumb is that - without weakside floor-spreaders to draw defenders away from the strongside to begin with, defenders don't need to be flooded back to the strongside.. Nonetheless, ignoramuses like Bill Simmons, Skip Bayless, Lowe, Haberstroh and the like will continue to sing the praises of the strongside flood, without have a damn clue what they're talking about.

[LeBird]

:biggums: You idiocy is breathtaking

The irony of that sentence.

[pegasus]

He played the teams he had to face. Sure you can look at this and say he has had an easier route in the playoffs but who he competes against is out of his control.

The East sucks by the way so its not surprising.
Yeah, like his entire team-hopping didn't take place in the East for a reason. He avoids the West until he has to face it, and when he does... 2/5.

[Rooster]

It doesn't "damage Lebron"...it just puts the joke competition he's played in perspective.

So when people start going on and on about making 5 straight finals...you need to put that in perspective.

Lebron could be the best player ever...and the paths he's had to the finals throughout his career would have still been jokes. Doesn't mean Lebron is lesser of a player.

Just means he's had absurdly easy paths to the finals.

Lebron specialized on easy paths though:confusedshrug:

He won his 2 rings intentionally colluding with superstars

[DMAVS41]

Lebron specialized on easy paths though:confusedshrug:

He won his 2 rings intentionally colluding with superstars


But we have to go deeper than that.

Bosh's injury in 12 made that road much tougher than it would have been. We can't ignore that.

We also can't ignore just how terrible Lebron's help was in the 13 Eastern playoffs. Bosh and Wade were awful...

I don't see any reason to diminish Lebron winning it all in 12 and 13 given those circumstances.

What we can talk about is how he likely doesn't make the finals in 11 or 14 given the evidence if he played in the West...and we can talk about how the injury to Bosh in 12 or the lackluster play from Wade/Bosh in 13 might have prevented them from making it to the finals in the West.

That seems to be missing here. It's just a very nice luxury to have to know that you can suffer serious injuries and still be favored to make the finals because of how bad the East is.

Lebron is amazing. I've been propping Lebron up hugely here since 09...especially when he had not won yet. However, he's not so great that he's above needing help...and whether or not those 12 and 13 teams even reach the finals is definitely a question.

That huge margin of error really pays dividends over time...because if anyone here thinks for a second that those Cavs and Lebron could have played like they did against the Bulls....against a team like the Clippers or Warriors and still won in 6...you are nuts.

And that is the reality. That they would have had to face one of those teams in the 2nd round in the West. And with no Love and no Kyrie...and Lebron broke as **** from range...winning would have been so so so so so much harder.

That's the point.

[TheMan]

The irony of that sentence.
Point still stands...your an idiot, but then again your a LeStan, which basically means the same thing.

[Rooster]

But we have to go deeper than that.

Bosh's injury in 12 made that road much tougher than it would have been. We can't ignore that.

We also can't ignore just how terrible Lebron's help was in the 13 Eastern playoffs. Bosh and Wade were awful...

I don't see any reason to diminish Lebron winning it all in 12 and 13 given those circumstances.

What we can talk about is how he likely doesn't make the finals in 11 or 14 given the evidence if he played in the West...and we can talk about how the injury to Bosh in 12 or the lackluster play from Wade/Bosh in 13 might have prevented them from making it to the finals in the West.

That seems to be missing here. It's just a very nice luxury to have to know that you can suffer serious injuries and still be favored to make the finals because of how bad the East is.

Lebron is amazing. I've been propping Lebron up hugely here since 09...especially when he had not won yet. However, he's not so great that he's above needing help...and whether or not those 12 and 13 teams even reach the finals is definitely a question.

That huge margin of error really pays dividends over time...because if anyone here thinks for a second that those Cavs and Lebron could have played like they did against the Bulls....against a team like the Clippers or Warriors and still won in 6...you are nuts.

And that is the reality. That they would have had to face one of those teams in the 2nd round in the West. And with no Love and no Kyrie...and Lebron broke as **** from range...winning would have been so so so so so much harder.

That's the point.

Hes a great player but just how great he is compare to ATGs. His record against quality teams (you know those 50 wins team for example) ain't that great. And the fact that he won his 2 rings joining forces makes me think he likes to take shortcuts. 7 wins on 6 Finals appearance seems pale to me. I dunno his record against 50 wins team but Im assuming it's average.

[SexSymbol]

He played the teams he had to face. Sure you can look at this and say he has had an easier route in the playoffs but who he competes against is out of his control.

The East sucks by the way so its not surprising.
But you can't give him credit for it, or act like the ring's worth the same as Hakeem's 94 one or Duncan's 03 one or even something like Kobe's 10' one. Just completely different levels of competition.

If one player goes through hell to reach a ring and the other can coast in 2 series of the three to get to the finals, the latter isn't really that great.

[LBJ 23]

Yeah, like his entire team-hopping didn't take place in the East for a reason. He avoids the West until he has to face it, and when he does... 2/5.

I know you're just a hater and will hate on Lebron no matter what, but that's what I posted in another thread regarding Lebron and west and it touches content of your post.

So Lebron plays in the East, fck it.

Should he go from Miami to some Western team this past year so he could finally get some credit? But where could he go to receive some credit if he wins though?

He goes to Houston (Howard, Harden) ---> stacked
He goes to San Antonio(Parker, Duncan, Leonard, Ginobili) ---> stacked
He goes to LAC ( Griffin, Paul) ----> stacked
He goes Warriors (Klay, Curry) ----> stacked
He goes to OKC, don't even need to continue

So where should he really go to play? He can't stay in Miami, Wade and Bosh 2 superstars---> stacked so if he wins anything means nothing.

He joined a team from the bottom in the east, yes then Love came but he is out for the playoffs, and he still doesn't get any credit on here from you guys?

So he should really only play for some Western bottom team with a 2nd option being a player like Udrih or something similar. That's when he would finally receive just a little bit of credit from all you guys?

Well goddamn the standards he is held to are higher than even Jordan, Bird, Jabbar, Magic together could only dream of......

[Rooster]

I know you're just a hater and will hate on Lebron no matter what, but that's what I posted in another thread regarding Lebron and west and it touches content of your post.

So Lebron plays in the East, fck it.

Should he go from Miami to some Western team this past year so he could finally get some credit? But where could he go to receive some credit if he wins though?

He goes to Houston (Howard, Harden) ---> stacked
He goes to San Antonio(Parker, Duncan, Leonard, Ginobili) ---> stacked
He goes to LAC ( Griffin, Paul) ----> stacked
He goes Warriors (Klay, Curry) ----> stacked
He goes to OKC, don't even need to continue

So where should he really go to play? He can't stay in Miami, Wade and Bosh 2 superstars---> stacked so if he wins anything means nothing.

He joined a team from the bottom in the east, yes then Love came but he is out for the playoffs, and he still doesn't get any credit on here from you guys?

So he should really only play for some Western bottom team with a 2nd option being a player like Udrih or something similar. That's when he would finally receive just a little bit of credit from all you guys?

Well goddamn the standards he is held to are higher than even Jordan, Bird, Jabbar, Magic together could only dream of......

Weak competition : not exactly Lebron fault but it helped him to get to 6 Finals:oldlol:

Stacking and colluding for 2 rings: Lebron took this shortcuts though:oldlol:

[FLDFSU]

I know you're just a hater and will hate on Lebron no matter what, but that's what I posted in another thread regarding Lebron and west and it touches content of your post.

So Lebron plays in the East, fck it.

Should he go from Miami to some Western team this past year so he could finally get some credit? But where could he go to receive some credit if he wins though?

He goes to Houston (Howard, Harden) ---> stacked
He goes to San Antonio(Parker, Duncan, Leonard, Ginobili) ---> stacked
He goes to LAC ( Griffin, Paul) ----> stacked
He goes Warriors (Klay, Curry) ----> stacked
He goes to OKC, don't even need to continue

So where should he really go to play? He can't stay in Miami, Wade and Bosh 2 superstars---> stacked so if he wins anything means nothing.

He joined a team from the bottom in the east, yes then Love came but he is out for the playoffs, and he still doesn't get any credit on here from you guys?

So he should really only play for some Western bottom team with a 2nd option being a player like Udrih or something similar. That's when he would finally receive just a little bit of credit from all you guys?

Well goddamn the standards he is held to are higher than even Jordan, Bird, Jabbar, Magic together could only dream of......

But even if Lebron went a bottom feeder, these posters would say the team is too stacked.

We have folks claiming that the team that competed against the Bulls and Hawks were stacked. There is no point in arguing with them.

Please see the Cavs 2009 and 2010. These posters were calling those teams as stacked.

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Wow...I had NO CLUE ESPN would do this. Holy shit. The thing is, this is a LEGIT conversation with the NBA Execs. It needs change.

[ArbitraryWater]

Point still stands...your an idiot, but then again your a LeStan, which basically means the same thing.

you're

[Levity]

Can anyone make the list of all teams Kobe and Lebron beat when leading thir team in scoring, rebounding and assists?
That way we can see who got carried and who had to carry. :hammerhead:

hahah what the fck?? :roll: :roll:

[Psileas]

Actually it makes the 80's look like less of a "Golden Age" with both Magic and Bird near the bottom.

Υeah, and impressively, makes Bird's competition in the East look worse than Magic's (because everyone ignores 1989-91).

PS. How the heck did this get to 17 pages that fast? Whatever the reason, I'm going to guess, they're not worth reading.

[Nick Young]

Mamba is the Giant killer:bowdown:

[IllegalD]

:roll: @ all the LeBron Stanleys,*"B-b-b-b-b-ut it's not HIS fault that he faces the competition that he faces. :cry: "

Never heard this excuse when ya'll were sh*tting on the Mamba for the "sh*t" Eastern Conference opponents he faced in the finals (which look downright legendary compared to the crap that LeBro has faced most of his career). :pimp: