KObe Bryant vs. Tim Duncan 1 on 1

[Lebron23]

Can Kobe Bryant beat 7'0" Tim Duncan if they play a 1 on 1 game? or it's going to end up just like the Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Julius Erving 1 on 1 game.

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[Alamо]

If Tim touches the ball one time, it's over. Just back him down every time and shoot right over him.

Tim used to score effortlessly over the top other 7 footers like every possession. I just think his size is way too much for Kobe

[NBAplayoffs2001]

If Tim touches the ball one time, it's over. Just back him down every time and shoot right over him.

Tim used to score effortlessly over the top other 7 footers like every possession. I just think his size is way too much for Kobe

Yeah your location doesn't effect your bias at all. :oldlol:

[Alamо]

Yeah your location doesn't effect your bias at all. :oldlol:


Kobe would beat Manu in a game of 1 on 1 and Manu is my all time favorite player. No bias, Duncan would just own Kobe :confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

If Tim touches the ball one time, it's over. Just back him down every time and shoot right over him.

Tim used to score effortlessly over the top other 7 footers like every possession. I just think his size is way too much for Kobe

Pretty much. Always give the big man the edge, especially when it's an all time great at both ends.

Dr. J vs Kareem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WagLsOTNlF8)

^Both way past their primes, but perfect illustration of the point.

[Living Being]

Kobe would put up a fight, but he wouldn't overcome the height difference. Add to that the fact that Duncan is an absolute beast in the post against anyone.

[Ruler]

Well it's tough because Kobe's quick and if Tim sags off to defend the paint, Bean can hit the jumper. Is it make it take it? Because that would certainly change the outcome (I assume it is).

Duncan gets ball first, it's over. I think it really comes down to first possession, but Duncan has the edge like the above posters mentioned. Trying not to be biased.

[DonDadda59]

2 random, but on topic points-

1) This thread reminded me of that Sprite Commercial from '98 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfUvqm6J1Nc)

2) The NBA needs to make a 1 on 1 tournament at the ASG weekend. Too bad competition is dead in the league. Bron would just use the opportunity as a recruiting tool.

[Alamо]

Well it's tough because Kobe's quick and if Tim sags off to defend the paint, Bean can hit the jumper. Is it make it take it? Because that would certainly change the outcome (I assume it is).

Duncan gets ball first, it's over. I think it really comes down to first possession, but Duncan has the edge like the above posters mentioned. Trying not to be biased.


The way I see it is Kobe's quickness would get him a few open jumpers, but not every time. Tim Duncan is so long and such a great defender that he would contest a lot of those shots. And Kobe would have to make every single one of those shots to win too. He misses one of those fadeaways, Duncan grabs the rebound and goes to work from there. It would be hard to win on long range jumpers alone, especially if this a younger Timmy, he wouldn't let Kobe beat him every time.

[SCdac]

Prime Timmy was really athletic, limber, and spry (not the 39 year old player you see now) so it would be an interesting match up. As long as it's not make it take it I think it'd be relatively even. Duncan's shot block and overall paint presence would be tough to deal with assuming Kobe doesn't blow by him

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe destroys Tim Duncan in most of their all time head to head match ups.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Kobe destroys Tim Duncan in most of their all time head to head match ups.

Which of those had them matched up against one another?

[tpols]

Kareem is the most dominant offensive big man of all time. dr. J was a finisher and slasher first and foremost playing a 7+ foot shot blocker 1v1

Duncan is nowhere near the list of best all time offensive big men and kobe is a midrange player first and foremost who has torched duncan's help defense. Comparison is retOrded

[HOoopCityJones]

Which of those had them matched up against one another?

You mean other than the 1,000 times Kobe's dunked it down his throat in the paint when he and Robinson were supposed to be above average rim protectors? Then no , but Kobe has always been Duncan's kryptonite more so than Shaq ever was.

[Jameerthefear]

Pretty much. Always give the big man the edge, especially when it's an all time great at both ends.

Dr. J vs Kareem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WagLsOTNlF8)

^Both way past their primes, but perfect illustration of the point.
"legends" exposed

[24-Inch_Chrome]

You mean other than the 1,000 times Kobe's dunked it down his throat in the paint when he and Robinson were supposed to be above average rim protectors? Then no , but Kobe has always been Duncan's kryptonite more so than Shaq ever was.

Oh shit, so they were matched up against one another from the top of the key, right? Like they were playing one another 1v1? So nothing came off of a screen, pass, or Kobe blowing past his man and catching Duncan in a bad position? Cool.

[HOoopCityJones]

Oh shit, so they were matched up against one another from the top of the key, right? Like they were playing one another 1v1? So nothing came off of a screen, pass, or Kobe blowing past his man and catching Duncan in a bad position? Cool.

Find another strawman, I fully acknowledged they didn't stick each other.


You should be getting on OP who made this lame thread in the first place , but if ni99as wanna reach I'm always happy to oblige. :confusedshrug:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Find another strawman, I fully acknowledge they didn't stick each other.


You should be getting on OP who made this lame thread in the first place , but if ni99as wanna reach I'm always happy to oblige. :confusedshrug:

Duncan > Kobe though. :confusedshrug:

So you're admitting that they're not guarding one another but you're trying to use dunks that obviously aren't coming from a 1v1 match-up as evidence that Kobe could beat Duncan in a 1v1? Cool.

A 5 inch height advantage for Duncan is going to be deciding factor 9/10 times. Kobe isn't going to dunk every time, if he can manage it at all in a legitimate 1v1 situation, and as soon as he misses a shot he's getting backed down and lit up for the remainder of the game.

[Akrazotile]

2 random, but on topic points-

1) This thread reminded me of that Sprite Commercial from '98 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfUvqm6J1Nc)

2) The NBA needs to make a 1 on 1 tournament at the ASG weekend. Too bad competition is dead in the league. Bron would just use the opportunity as a recruiting tool.


This would be great but as soon as someone gets hurt there will be multiple different parties flipping an absolute shit about it. There's just too much money tied up in players these days for anyone to want to take that risk.

[DonDadda59]

Duncan is nowhere near the list of best all time offensive big men

Timmy can score in the post with the best of them all time and had an automatic mid range jumper off the glass.


and kobe is a midrange player first and foremost who has torched duncan's help defense. Comparison is retOrded

Bean could take all the mid range shots his heart desired, but prime Duncan would be mobile enough to keep him in front of him and would contest every shot he took inside. And defensively... fuhgettaboutit... how the f*ck would Bean stop him from scoring? :confusedshrug:

Great big man beats a great smaller man. Shaq would beast on virtually every player ever 1 on 1.


This would be great but as soon as someone gets hurt there will be multiple different parties flipping an absolute shit about it. There's just too much money tied up in players these days for anyone to want to take that risk.

They can also get hurt playing in the ASG or skills competition or dunk contest.

[HOoopCityJones]

Duncan > Kobe though. :confusedshrug:

So you're admitting that they're not guarding one another but you're trying to use dunks that obviously aren't coming from a 1v1 match-up as evidence that Kobe could beat Duncan in a 1v1? Cool.

A 5 inch height advantage for Duncan is going to be deciding factor 9/10 times. Kobe isn't going to dunk every time, if he can manage it at all in a legitimate 1v1 situation, and as soon as he misses a shot he's getting backed down and lit up for the remainder of the game.



Boiled down.

Kobe > Duncan

Kobe is the Spurs Killer With and without Shaq.

[tpols]

Timmy can score in the post with the best of them all time and had an automatic mid range jumper off the glass.



Bean could take all the mid range shots his heart desired, but prime Duncan would be mobile enough to keep him in front of him and would contest every shot he took inside. And defensively... fuhgettaboutit... how the f*ck would Bean stop him from scoring? :confusedshrug:

Great big man beats a great smaller man. Shaq would beast on virtually every player ever 1 on 1.



They can also get hurt playing in the ASG or skills competition or dunk contest.

Game starts from top of the key.. not the block. Duncan couldnot contest a midrange effectively without giving up a drive. He could barely stop kobe with atg perimeter man defense on kobe in the form of bowen.. In this situation kobe would basically be getting free throws.:oldlol:


It's be like saying shaq could beat mj easily 1v1.. just back him down once he got the ball and it's a dunk fest . imagine the ragdolling.. lol

Thing is mj would just drill jumpers til he started biting and then would go around. Help defense =/= man defense.. big men would get manipulated and dominated by skilled midrange players 1v1

[ShawkFactory]

Boiled down.

Kobe > Duncan

Kobe is the Spurs Killer With and without Shaq.
Boiled down.

Duncan > Kobe

See how easy that was?

[HOoopCityJones]

Game starts from top of the key.. not the block. Duncan couldnot contest a midrange effectively without giving up a drive. He could barely stop kobe with atg perimeter man defense on kobe in the form of bowen.. In this situation kobe would basically be getting free throws.:oldlol:


It's be like saying shaq could beat mj easily 1v1.. just back him down once he got the ball and it's a dunk fest . imagine the ragdolling.. lol

Thing is mj would just drill jumpers til he started biting and then would go around. Help defense =/= man defense.. big men would get manipulated and dominated by skilled midrange players 1v1


Don't do em like that. :biggums:

The Duncan and Kobe comparison has always just served the Kobe hater agenda.

[HOoopCityJones]

Boiled down.

Duncan > Kobe

See how easy that was?

That's a nice opinion , but I haven't seen you say an objective thing about Kobe in my time here, you'd say pretty much any all time great is better than him outside of some scrub.

It's based on what I have seen with my own eyes and in most series where their Teams went head to head, Kobe was the stand out. I'm talking post season.

And you don't think Duncan and Pop weren't ecstatic the year they had to face a Dwight led Lakers Team in the first round sans Kobe? :biggums:

To each his own tho.

[DonDadda59]

Game starts from top of the key.. not the block. Duncan couldnot contest a midrange effectively without giving up a drive. He could barely stop kobe with atg perimeter man defense on kobe in the form of bowen.. In this situation kobe would basically be getting free throws.:oldlol:

Duncan wouldn't be playing help defense though. 1 on 1 is nothing like game situations, which is why it's hilarious that one dude keeps bringing up what happened between the Lakers and the Spurs :lol

And in his prime, he was a very mobile 7 footer... not like the lighter Garnett, but he'd still be right there to contest every Kobe shot. Or he could just lay back and let Bean do what Bean does best- chuck. Then once he gets the rebound... game over.

Literally nothing Bean could do to stop him from scoring.



It's be like saying shaq could beat mj easily 1v1.. just back him down once he got the ball and it's a dunk fest . imagine the ragdolling.. lol

I would put money on Shaq to beat Jordan very comfortably in a 1 on 1 game :confusedshrug:


Thing is mj would just drill jumpers til he started biting and then would go around. Help defense =/= man defense.. big men would get manipulated and dominated by skilled midrange players 1v1

No (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwgNLW9ASQ) :no:

[ShawkFactory]

That's a nice opinion , but I haven't seen you say an objective thing about Kobe in my time here, you'd say pretty much any all time great is better than him outside of some scrub.

It's based on what I have seen with my own eyes and in most series where their Teams went head to head, Kobe was the stand out. I'm talking post season.

And you don't think Duncan and Pop weren't ecstatic the year they had to face a Dwight led Lakers Team in the first round sans Kobe? :biggums:

To each his own tho.
I have Duncan and Kobe 7-8 all time.

[HOoopCityJones]

I have Duncan and Kobe 7-8 all time.

You're a smart man. They have a case above Bird and Magic imo.

[tpols]

Duncan wouldn't be playing help defense though. 1 on 1 is nothing like game situations, which is why it's hilarious that one dude keeps bringing up what happened between the Lakers and the Spurs :lol

And in his prime, he was a very mobile 7 footer... not like the lighter Garnett, but he'd still be right there to contest every Kobe shot. Or he could just lay back and let Bean do what Bean does best- chuck. Then once he gets the rebound... game over.

Literally nothing Bean could do to stop him from scoring.




I would put money on Shaq to beat Jordan very comfortably in a 1 on 1 game :confusedshrug:



No (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NwgNLW9ASQ) :no:

Seen that 1v1 so many times on nba tv.. it's like a staple there. That was a light hearted shoot around scrum..

I thought we was talking a tournament style competitive bout..

[DonDadda59]

Seen that 1v1 so many times on nba tv.. it's like a staple there. That was a light hearted shoot around scrum..

I thought we was talking a tournament style competitive bout..

Everyone here knows I'm partial to Jordan but c'mon son... what would he be able to do to stop this dude single-handedly?

http://www.pitt.edu/~jwd27/shaq.gif

Great big man will beat a great smaller man 9/10 in a 1 on 1.

You can even run a little experiment in real life if you don't believe me. Go out to your local park or rec center- find someone who is at your relative skill level only half a foot taller, 50+ lbs heavier than you, with a much longer wingspan... but who is still very mobile. Challenge them 1 on 1.

Then post the results here. :cheers:

[PickernRoller]

Kobe has been shitting on Duncan throughout all of his career, making Duncan his favorite poster boy but somehow the height difference will matter now - when it never has? :oldlol: :oldlol: :roll:

No big man can guard an elite guard like Kobe and Jordan, NO BIG.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe has been shitting on Duncan throughout all of his career, making Duncan his favorite poster boy but somehow the height difference will matter now - when it never has? :oldlol: :oldlol: :roll:

Again... what does a team game have to do with 1 on 1? :confusedshrug:


No big man can guard an elite guard like Kobe and Jordan, NO BIG.

You really think guys like prime Shaq, KG, Timmy, Robinson couldn't guard Bean or MJ? On the flip side... how would Bean or MJ be able to guard them? :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

Everyone here knows I'm partial to Jordan but c'mon son... what would he be able to do to stop this dude single-handedly?

http://www.pitt.edu/~jwd27/shaq.gif

Great big man will beat a great smaller man 9/10 in a 1 on 1.

You can even run a little experiment in real life if you don't believe me. Go out to your local park or rec center- find someone who is at your relative skill level only half a foot taller, 50+ lbs heavier than you, with a much longer wingspan... but who is still very mobile. Challenge them 1 on 1.

Then post the results here. :cheers:

Shaq had to work for that position off ball in that gif.. 1v1 is ball handling from top of the key. Way more chances to poke the ball away in 1v1. Shaq benefits from a team game where he can be fed without dribbling. Most big men do.

I've seen plenty of guards rape big guys 1v1 with long range 2s in 1v1s playing by 1s..

steph curry would destroy Moses malone in a 1v1:lol

[DonDadda59]

Shaq had to work for that position off ball in that gif.. 1v1 is ball handling from top of the key. Way more chances to poke the ball away in 1v1. Shaq benefits from a team game where he can be fed without dribbling. Most big men do.

Guys like Shaq and Duncan have great ball control and handles, along with elite footwork (AKA what you saw in that 1 on 1 video). It'd be like swatting a fly for them with guys who they outweigh by up to 100 lbs and have 1/2 foot of height on. They wouldn't be able to get to the ball or be able to stop the bigs from getting literally any shot they wanted from anywhere on the court.

Do yourself a favor and look at how ridiculously athletic and mobile young Shaq was. No perimeter player is doing shit to him in a 1 on 1.


I've seen plenty of guards rape big guys 1v1 with long range 2s in 1v1s playing by 1s..

What were their relative skill levels?


steph curry would destroy Moses malone in a 1v1:lol

Only if his long range shooting was like 100% and Moses never got his hands on the ball. It'd be hilarious watching Steph trying to guard Moses. :lol

[PickernRoller]

You really think guys like prime Shaq, KG, Timmy, Robinson couldn't guard Bean or MJ? On the flip side... how would Bean or MJ be able to guard them? :confusedshrug:

In your hypothetical where in hell do you assume Duncan gets the ball, in the post 100% of the time? Lol.

No dribbling half court - where bigs get stripped or turn it over like prima donna's cause they can't dribble for shit with speed? Lol - add to that a defender, an elite one at that, one-on one and also an elite scorer on transition, at the rim, from range, from mid-range....

It's simply not close.

[DonDadda59]

In your hypothetical where in hell do you assume Duncan gets the ball, in the post 100% of the time? Lol.

No dribbling half court - where bigs get stripped or turn it over like prima donna's cause they can't dribble for shit with speed? Lol.

Again, Tim Duncan has great handles and routinely starts drives, shots, etc from well outside the paint. Guys like him aren't asked to handle the ball in team settings, but they know how to dribble, protect the ball, etc.

Either way, they could just back them down literally every time from the 3 and there's absolutely nothing a guard could do to stop them. Gamble and it's an easy bucket every time.

[DonDadda59]

1972 NBA 1 on 1 Championship Final- Bob Lanier (6'11") vs Jo Jo White (6'3") (https://youtu.be/Zk9WhHFhLus?t=1m19s)

Lanier beat Pistol Pete en route to winning the whole thing.

[Dro]

I actually can't believe some guys are this..umm...stupid? Why are we talking about 5 on 5 being the same as a 1vs1? Its not...Stop using what Kobe has dunk to Duncan in a 5 on 5 situation as evidence of what he would do 1vs 1. I thought it was common knowledge that the big man would win most of the time...Hell, let Kobe stand out there and shoot wide open jumpers and he's going a miss a couple. But Duncan is scoring every time, every single, time, no foul calls? Come on, lol..

[inclinerator]

kobe wins

duncan is better 5 on 5 tho

[Alamо]

I actually can't believe some guys are this..umm...stupid? Why are we talking about 5 on 5 being the same as a 1vs1? Its not...Stop using what Kobe has dunk to Duncan in a 5 on 5 situation as evidence of what he would do 1vs 1. I thought it was common knowledge that the big man would win most of the time...Hell, let Kobe stand out there and shoot wide open jumpers and he's going a miss a couple. But Duncan is scoring every time, every single, time, no foul calls? Come on, lol..


Every single time, effortlessly.

[kennethgriffin]

people forget that in 1 on 1 there is no foul outs... when a big man abuses the back down move guards can just do whatever they want. elbow in the ribs.. push with hands.. legs in back of ass... swipes.


and if the big man wants to put up with it and risk a steal or miss.. then thats their problem. but most times theyel call a foul. then you gotta re check the ball at the top of the 3pt line


this is why bigs end up settling for shots half the time in a 1 on 1. and only back down guys sometimes.


kobe would win if he used this strategy



most guards win 1 on 1's with bigger slower people




and when a guard brings the ball out and does a break down dribble move. the center will get blown by easly if theyre defending the 3 pointer




kobe wins


any great guard with a brain would win

[Alamо]

Duncan is nowhere near the list of best all time offensive big men


:biggums:

[Dro]

Is there anybody who's not a Kobe fans who thinks he would win? Serious question...

[TripleA]

Tim duncan is better all time than kobe and he would clown him one on one.:confusedshrug:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Is there anybody who's not a Kobe fans who thinks he would win? Serious question...

Nope.

You may also notice that Kobe stans are the only group who argue Kobe > Duncan all-time.

[kennethgriffin]

is there anyone whos not a kobe hater who thinks duncan would win?


seriously.. this shit is just hypotheticals

all we know is the guy you like is the guy youl pick in a hypothetical




theres absolutely no way we'l ever know




all i know is duncan gets most of his points off of teamwork

kobe gets most of his points off of isolations

all we know is historically kobe is the better 1 on 1 player

to just say "bigger= better" is an argument a 3 year old would use...

[Gr]

Duncan would abuse Kobe.

[Rocketswin2013]

Well, theoretically the game should start with a tip-off. I wanna doubt Kobe could win the tip in his prime. Duncan was long. Kobe was a good leaper.

[Uncle Drew]

Duncan shits on Kobe in every way possible, including a 1-on-1.

[rmt]

Somebody please post the SI cover titled Substance over Style. This is what it would look like every time Kobe shot. On the other end, how in the world would Kobe guard Duncan when he backs him down?

[kshutts1]

Kobe is the, by far, better one on one player. It's really not much of a debate.

But Duncan is nasty, and huge. Kobe would have to resort to 15 footers, which he can obviously hit... but unless he gets hot, Duncan's more efficient, closer-to-the-basket game will win out.

[dh144498]

Pretty much. Always give the big man the edge, especially when it's an all time great at both ends.

Dr. J vs Kareem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WagLsOTNlF8)

^Both way past their primes, but perfect illustration of the point.

i guess you can use that as a blue print, but Kobe is a much better player than Dr.J, especially 1v1. No way prime Kobe gets his shots blocked the way Dr.J did in that video.

[Cold soul]

Kobe he is arguably greatest 1 on 1 player in NBA history his skillet is unmatched outside few of the all time greats. Kobe is the better player anyway. Duncan would get his points too his crazy fundamentals, post game, and his athleticism is underrated in his younger days. Kobe is just too quick and fast for Duncan to keep up in one on one game setting along with his outside shooting too much for Duncan to overcome.

[Cold soul]

Nope.

You may also notice that Kobe stans are the only group who argue Kobe > Duncan all-time.

Nope wrong again. If anything both are on same tier along with Shaq. There careers are about even you can argue for either one honestly. I have Duncan ranked 7th personally he had amazing career but it's not an insult to say Kobe career was better.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Nope wrong again. If anything both are on same tier along with Shaq. There careers are about even you can argue for either one honestly. I have Duncan ranked 7th personally he had amazing career but it's not an insult to say Kobe career was better.

>says post about Kobe stans is inaccurate
>is a Kobe stan
>credibility gone

lol

[SwayDizzle]

Game starts from top of the key.. not the block. Duncan couldnot contest a midrange effectively without giving up a drive. He could barely stop kobe with atg perimeter man defense on kobe in the form of bowen.. In this situation kobe would basically be getting free throws.:oldlol:


It's be like saying shaq could beat mj easily 1v1.. just back him down once he got the ball and it's a dunk fest . imagine the ragdolling.. lol

Thing is mj would just drill jumpers til he started biting and then would go around. Help defense =/= man defense.. big men would get manipulated and dominated by skilled midrange players 1v1
nailed it :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Cold soul]

>says post about Kobe stans is inaccurate
>is a Kobe stan
>credibility gone

lol

And what troll account is this? It has to be an alt like majority of posters on ISH. It's kinda sad all you do all day long is troll Kobe threads must be sad pathetic life you currently have. Here some advice go outside get a life get laid do something productive with your life.

[kennethgriffin]

this entire thread can be summed up as


MY DAD BIGGER THAN YOUR DAD


:roll:


try using facts people



a) 4 > 2

b) 33,000 points off 1 on 1 > 20,000 points of team work

c) /thread

[24-Inch_Chrome]

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/funny%20gifs/grand/retard-funny-gifs-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-804.gif

:sleeping

[Cold soul]

:sleeping


Great reply.









EXPOSED.

[Elosha]

i guess you can use that as a blue print, but Kobe is a much better player than Dr.J, especially 1v1. No way prime Kobe gets his shots blocked the way Dr.J did in that video.

To add to this point, it hurt Dr. J far more to play this game against Kareem after they retired and he had lost most of his athleticism. Players like Dr. J, Kobe, MJ, and Lebron's games are predicated more on athleticism than a player like Kareem. Not to say that they don't have extraordinary skill or that a KAJ or Duncan aren't also athletic, but you don't lose a size advantage after you retire. But Dr. J certainly lost his athletic advantage. So I don't think this is a very good proxy for Kobe v. Duncan.